evil factions

ronan32 · April 2007

pity turbine didnt do more research on lord of the rings to bring an evil faction to the game..check the link http://uk.games-workshop.com/isengard/...i dont think there could be anything more satisfying then being one of those evil factions and killing hobbit players....for that my friends i would become a founding member...its a shame mmorpg developers have their heads up their own asses and dont listen to the player community.

|AW|Tristan · April 2007

I think assuming you speak for the entire community is a bit over the top.

gpett · April 2007

He certainly speaks for me.

Turbine screwed the pooch by not making the Uruk-Hai or Olephant riding men of the south playable races.

The devs admit to purposely making the monsters in PvMP 2-3 times as bad as player characters cause they want the good guys to win.

Enjoy your carebear game!

gatheris · April 2007

thank-you

i really am enjoying not getting ganked by some "expert" PVPer 10 levels above me - or for that matter a group of 20 "hardcore" players several levels beyond me

Zorvan · April 2007

Originally posted by ronan32

pity turbine didnt do more research on lord of the rings to bring an evil faction to the game..check the link http://uk.games-workshop.com/isengard/...i dont think there could be anything more satisfying then being one of those evil factions and killing hobbit players....for that my friends i would become a founding member...its a shame mmorpg developers have their heads on straight and dont listen to the minority PvP section of their player community, but instead listen to the majority of their player community who are enjoying the game as it was intended to be from the beginning.

Fixed.

Shar · April 2007

Originally posted by gpett

He certainly speaks for me.

Turbine screwed the pooch by not making the Uruk-Hai or Olephant riding men of the south playable races.

The devs admit to purposely making the monsters in PvMP 2-3 times as bad as player characters cause they want the good guys to win.

Enjoy your carebear game!

Oooh, he said carebear! I bet everyone is scared now! OooohhhhooooOOOoohhhhhoohooooHHHoohoo.

Mein gott, be a little more original - you are giving those of us who are real PvPer's a bad name.

ganjnehri · April 2007

ppl defending the system because they already paid for it, they dont see it objectively, no point to disguss they will say its the best system till they stop paying

dj_decay · April 2007

I think all the people talking about 'no evil factions in LOTRO' are either just not doing their homework or are deliberately trying to spread dis-information. Through closed beta, I played both an Uruk archer (blackarrow) and a Warg. I was able to do quests like 'kill 10 hobbits' and collect dwarf beards and elf ears and hobbit feet, I was given a task of poisoning the hoardale river, a main water supply for the free peoples, and I participated in massive raids against the keeps and strongholds of the free peoples of Middle Earth. It was great fun, at times extremely challenging, and always very satisfying gameplay, so I cannot figure out how anyone could possibly say LOTRO doesn't have evil factions... it's simply not true. Maybe you're mad because you can't take your Uruk through the shire ganking farmer maggot, but believe me, that kind of thing is certainly not necessary for there to be a very satisfying and enjoyable means of playing evil factions!

dj_decay · April 2007

Originally posted by gpett

He certainly speaks for me.

Turbine screwed the pooch by not making the Uruk-Hai or Olephant riding men of the south playable races.

The devs admit to purposely making the monsters in PvMP 2-3 times as bad as player characters cause they want the good guys to win.

Enjoy your carebear game!

Um... Uruk-Hai ARE playable, two different classes - Uruk Blackarrow and Uruk Warleader. Plus Orcs, Wargs, and even spiders.

ronan32 · April 2007

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by ronan32

pity turbine didnt do more research on lord of the rings to bring an evil faction to the game..check the link http://uk.games-workshop.com/isengard/...i dont think there could be anything more satisfying then being one of those evil factions and killing hobbit players....for that my friends i would become a founding member...its a shame mmorpg developers have their heads on straight and dont listen to the minority PvP section of their player community, but instead listen to the majority of their player community who are enjoying the game as it was intended to be from the beginning.

Fixed.

well where is the challenge once you have beaten that raid boss for the 100th time....pvp gives a game a longer shelf life..it doesnt have to be hardcore full loot pvp but just something to give you a break from the grind..in my opinion monster play doesnt cut it, feels like pokemon to me, and how is this being true to the lotr lore.

gpett · April 2007

Did you read my post? PvMP is not the same as a playable character race. Yes, I did PvMP quite often. I had two signature PvMP monsters. PvMP is a joke. The monster characters are designed to not be able to solo any player characters. They are just broken gimps that are fodder for real player characters in the ettenmoors. Don't waste your time in PvMP.

Maybe if they made Uruk-Hai or men of the south playable races there would be meaningfull PvP. Not to mention that there were no wargs in the novels. There were warg riders. Wargs should have been mounts for the Uruk-Hai. Wtf is up with weavers or spiders? There was only one mentioned in the novels and it should be considered a Boss type mob.

PvMP is an afterthought haphazardly tacked onto the game. The Devs have admitted that there is no meaningfull PvP in LotRO.

Rollotamasi · April 2007

Originally posted by gpett

He certainly speaks for me.

Turbine screwed the pooch by not making the Uruk-Hai or Olephant riding men of the south playable races.

The devs admit to purposely making the monsters in PvMP 2-3 times as bad as player characters cause they want the good guys to win.

Enjoy your carebear game!

Thank you, I most certainly will. Enjoy your rapist game with AoC and Darkfall come out.

Cabe2323 · April 2007

Originally posted by ronan32

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by ronan32

pity turbine didnt do more research on lord of the rings to bring an evil faction to the game..check the link http://uk.games-workshop.com/isengard/...i dont think there could be anything more satisfying then being one of those evil factions and killing hobbit players....for that my friends i would become a founding member...its a shame mmorpg developers have their heads on straight and dont listen to the minority PvP section of their player community, but instead listen to the majority of their player community who are enjoying the game as it was intended to be from the beginning.

Fixed.

well where is the challenge once you have beaten that raid boss for the 100th time....pvp gives a game a longer shelf life..it doesnt have to be hardcore full loot pvp but just something to give you a break from the grind..in my opinion monster play doesnt cut it, feels like pokemon to me, and how is this being true to the lotr lore.

People complaining about Monster Play obviously never tried it out. There is no difference between monster play and having selectable evil races at the beginning of the game. UNLESS you want teh ability to gank hobbits in the shire or kill people in archet. That is the only thing missing from the PVP portion of this game. They have already stated that as they add landmasses to the game there will be more PVM zones added to the map. Currently Ettenmoors is the only PVM zone, but that will change. In that zone you can do quests to raid on NPC Towns filled with dwarves, hobbits, elves, and humans. You get quests as someone earlier mentioned to poison the water supply and to attack keeps. You can attack Freeps(Player Characters) while they are attempting to do quests or take keeps or look for crafting supplies etc. Everything that a PVP game provides, but in a Lore-maintaining manner. This gives everyone the ability to play as a monster, but without giving the ability to greif low level players.

SO ONCE AGAIN THE ONLY THING MISSING FROM THE PVP OF THIS GAME IS THE ABILITY TO GRIEF LOWER LEVEL PLAYERS!

Cabe2323 · April 2007

Originally posted by gpett

Did you read my post? PvMP is not the same as a playable character race. Yes, I did PvMP quite often. I had two signature PvMP characters. PvMP is a joke. The monster characters are designed to not be able to solo any player characters. They are just broken level 50 characters that are fodder for real player characters in the ettenmoors. Don't waste your time in PvMP.

Maybe if they made Uruk-Hai or men of the south playable races there would be meaningfull PvP.

The Devs have admitted that there is no meaningfull PvP in LotRO.

The PVM characters are only weaker at the beginning, just like a Player character that was using all store bought crap equipment wouldn't be very powerful. As you build up your infamy and destiny points you can become the equivalent of elite mobs. Elite mobs take mulitple level 50 characters to kill in most instances. So don't put out false information just because you are upset!

Zorvan · April 2007

Originally posted by gpett

The Devs have admitted that there is no meaningfull PvP in LotRO.

Yes, and they have said it from the very beginning. Which is why I don't understand what the problem is. If not having your version of PvP is a dealbreaker, go to another game and be done. Why continue to lobby for something that is not wanted by the majority playerbase, a.k.a. the target audience. Makes absolutely no sense and does not one thing for your cause. The game is not going to be redirected into what a minority of the game population wants.

Rollotamasi · April 2007

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by gpett

The Devs have admitted that there is no meaningfull PvP in LotRO.

Why continue to lobby for something that is not wanted by the majority playerbase, a.k.a. the target audience. Makes absolutely no sense and does not one thing for your cause. The game is not going to be redirected into what a minority of the game population wants. Because all of the rapists are upset they wont be able to gank endless amounts of lowbies with groups of thier high lvl friends. See, the thing about PvPers are they simply want to impose THEIR will on everyone. Where as non PvPers are perfectly happy to have PvE based games and PvP based games. PvPers (Rapists) simply want everyone to conform to their standards of what a game should be.

gpett · April 2007

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by gpett

The Devs have admitted that there is no meaningfull PvP in LotRO.

Yes, and they have said it from the very beginning. Which is why I don't understand what the problem is. If not having your version of PvP is a dealbreaker, go to another game and be done. Why continue to lobby for something that is not wanted by the majority playerbase, a.k.a. the target audience. Makes absolutely no sense and does not one thing for your cause. The game is not going to be redirected into what a minority of the game population wants. I do have the right to agree with the OP don't I? This is a forum for discussion. I was discussing with the OP the fact that LotRO would appeal to me if LotRO had playable evil races outside of PvMP.

Kyleran · April 2007

Originally posted by gpett

The monster characters are designed to not be able to solo any player characters. They are just broken level 50 characters that are fodder for real player characters in the ettenmoors.

Working as designed. Think back to the movies.... heroic good characters battled literally hundreds, if not thousands of evil orcs, goblins and the like...and even though the odds were like 20 to 1 or more... the good guys prevailed.

Same is true in Ettenmoors.... you aren't supposed to win one vs one.... you are supposed to win by using zerg tactics.... and it completely follows the lore that it might take 10 or even 20 creeps to kill just one player character.

This is not a traditional PvP game.... see WAR, Darkfall or AOC if that's your goal. That said...the game does have PVP and yes, players get to play the evil factions. In fact, we get to play both factions.... which is not a bad thing if thats what you are looking for.

Someday someone might create Battlefield "Middle-Earth"..... but this is not that game.

gpett · April 2007

Originally posted by Rollotamasi

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by gpett

The Devs have admitted that there is no meaningfull PvP in LotRO.

Why continue to lobby for something that is not wanted by the majority playerbase, a.k.a. the target audience. Makes absolutely no sense and does not one thing for your cause. The game is not going to be redirected into what a minority of the game population wants. Because all of the rapists are upset they wont be able to gank endless amounts of lowbies with groups of thier high lvl friends. See, the thing about PvPers are they simply want to impose THEIR will on everyone. Where as non PvPers are perfectly happy to have PvE based games and PvP based games. PvPers (Rapists) simply want everyone to conform to their standards of what a game should be. Who is imposing will here? Please, kindly go back to the original post and see who is attacking who in this thread.

I do not expect LotRO to change. I am just pointing out what would have made a better game in my opinion. =P

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by gpett

The monster characters are designed to not be able to solo any player characters. They are just broken level 50 characters that are fodder for real player characters in the ettenmoors.

Working as designed. Think back to the movies.... heroic good characters battled literally hundreds, if not thousands of evil orcs, goblins and the like...and even though the odds were like 20 to 1 or more... the good guys prevailed.

Same is true in Ettenmoors.... you aren't supposed to win one vs one.... you are supposed to win by using zerg tactics.... and it completely follows the lore that it might take 10 or even 20 creeps to kill just one player character.

Boromir was killed by one Uruk-Hai Black Arrow.

Rollotamasi · April 2007

Originally posted by gpett

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by gpett

The Devs have admitted that there is no meaningfull PvP in LotRO.

Yes, and they have said it from the very beginning. Which is why I don't understand what the problem is. If not having your version of PvP is a dealbreaker, go to another game and be done. Why continue to lobby for something that is not wanted by the majority playerbase, a.k.a. the target audience. Makes absolutely no sense and does not one thing for your cause. The game is not going to be redirected into what a minority of the game population wants. I do have the right to agree with the OP don't I? This is a forum for discussion. I was discussing with the OP the fact that LotRO would appeal to me if LotRO had playable evil races outside of PvMP. Sure, You have the right to agree. And everyone has a right to disagree. Others were discussing with you just like you were discussing with the OP. This is a discussion forum.

Kyleran · April 2007

Originally posted by gpett

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by gpett

The monster characters are designed to not be able to solo any player characters. They are just broken level 50 characters that are fodder for real player characters in the ettenmoors.

Working as designed. Think back to the movies.... heroic good characters battled literally hundreds, if not thousands of evil orcs, goblins and the like...and even though the odds were like 20 to 1 or more... the good guys prevailed.

Same is true in Ettenmoors.... you aren't supposed to win one vs one.... you are supposed to win by using zerg tactics.... and it completely follows the lore that it might take 10 or even 20 creeps to kill just one player character.

Boromir was killed by one Uruk-Hai Black Arrow. Er no..just watched the movie (book might have been different, can't recall) last week.... Boromir had 3 arrows sticking out of him when he finally went down... right after the party had been attacked by around 50 or more of those Uruk-Hai Warriors. And even then..he was killed by the leader of the Uruk-Hai raiding party... in a cowardly bow attack..and not before he killed a bunch of the enemy first.

Besides...Boromir was the obligatory red-shirt guy....someone had to die.... he drew the short straw....

Greslore · April 2007

Originally posted by ronan32

Well where is the challenge once you have beaten that raid boss for the 100th time....pvp gives a game a longer shelf life..it doesnt have to be hardcore full loot pvp but just something to give you a break from the grind..in my opinion monster play doesnt cut it, feels like pokemon to me, and how is this being true to the lotr lore.

There is merit to this. PVP definitely can add life and much fun to a game, especially open world PVP. Days where you dont feel like questing nor doing the crafting thing, slaughtering a gnome, hobbit, orc, etc can be just what the doc ordered.

But there is a cost to having PVP in this manner. Constant annoying balance issues come up. Classes being nerfed while others being buffed. No one is happy, everyone complains how X class is overpowered. The challenge is making this algebra equation of classes balance out equally in the end.

Eh. I kind of like LOTRO the way it is. Competition can bring out a nasty side in people, let alone having to sit through and play a constant evolution of a class in order to "balance" it. As it is, the game is relaxing and fun. This past week I have met some of the most helpful and friendliest of people I have come across in an MMORPG. I am a bit afraid of what this Friday, April 6 will bring.

Abisbowa · April 2007

In the book it just said that Boromir had many orc arrows in him. It does not really describe anything other than him protecting the hobbits from the enemy. So it's kind open to interpretation. Same as how Sauron wasn't really a giant flowing eyeball (Lighthouse of Mordor). Peter Jackson did a great job with the movies but he took a lot of poetic license.

*Steps off lore junkie podium*

I think that the Devs did the right thing. Contain the “PvP” to a single zone for the time being. But I can see how it would be nice to have a Southron be your main. The game is still very new and I think that you guys are judging to quickly to soon. Give the game a few months then give it your review.

nynniva · April 2007

There are enough full PvP games out there.

There are plenty of games with an option - PvP server or regular server.

A lot of gamers don't WANT PvP in any way, shape, or form. We want to explore the world, the lore, the adventure, etc. without having to look over our shoulders for High-Lvl-L33t-PvPer who wants to gank us for no reason. That has killed countless games for countless people. What has also killed countless games is the PvE content being nerfed to insensibility as the developers attempt to 'balance' PvP. I personally hope they never add PvP to this game, it isn't necessary and doesn't really fit in with the lore, either. I mean, can you see Gandalf saying to the fellowship "Brb guys, going to go gank some noobs?"

I'd say 90% of the MMORPGs out today cater to PvPers. If you're a PvP kiddie and you want to show everyone how l33t you are, go play one of those. If you're a mature PvPer, which do exist though they are a rare breed, I'm sure you can accept the fact that adding PvP to a game draws a lot of the WRONG sort of people to that game, and not being able to gank at will is a small price to pay for an adult community. And if you're twitching that hard because you feel like you need to be able to gank, well, there are other games out there that may be more suitable for you.

It would be different entirely if at the character creation screen you chose a 'side', good or evil, and there were playable races on either side ( ala alliance/horde, freeport/qeynos, whatever), but, there isn't. And at this stage I seriously doubt they're going to implement it. Be happy you have your PvMP thing, I'd say.

Keogh · April 2007

Those of you that complain about the lack of adequate PvP in LOTRO are really beginning to behave and sound like nothing more than whining children that throw a temper tantrum when they don't get their way.

LOTRO pvp isn't good enough for you? Fine enough, move on to a game designed for PvP that you will enjoy. Try something like Warhammer or Age of Conan.

Just stop whining.

andmiller · April 2007

I hate posts like this. The guy is bringing up what he doesn't like about the game in a FORUM FOR DISCUSSION. Why is it whining? And for this particular IP, its cause for discussion because people like me, who love the LotR series wanted a meaningful game with PvP which DOES fit the IP, no matter what the devs say.

I also hate posts where people talk about PvP'ers being homocidal maniacs that only want to gank people 20 levels below them. This is total bs. Most PvP'ers enjoy pvp because it is the only part of the game that does not involve "learning" the basics of the pathetically predictable AI of the mobs in a game like this. Would anyone who's played this argue that the AI is not very basic? It is worse than WOW.

The fanatics need to let people express their opinion, which is what the poster did.

On a side note, I love how the word "Carebear" gets people so worked up.....LOL.....

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