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Multi TRILLION ISK exploit exposed (and now fixed ) !
Erillion
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http://eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=501521#6629990
Can you say OUCH ? Cudos to the player for speaking about the exploit and making it possible to fix it.
CCP added a pile of complexes in Delve when the Kali patch hit MONTHS AGO. In them, the overseer respawns every hour instead of twice per day. This was a 'bug', and a very convenient one at that. 3 of the 4 complexes are in BoB territory (the player alliance being accused of massive cheating and dev favoritism). The 4th is in a BoB slave territory. They are probably being nerfed now only because they're no longer under complete BoB control.
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Here are some calculations how damaging this exploit was to EVE :
Originally Posted by Dyme
Let's say that one of these drops 500m ISK in loot each respawn. 22 respawns a day is 11 billion isk. Take that times 4 and you have 44 billion isk. For the mathematically challenged, that is 1320 billion isk in a 30 day month = 1.3 trillion
22 titans in a single month, at 60 billion isk per titan.
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have fun
Erillion
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Err what are you on those were nerfed ages ago
Also its worth pointing out that they were never wholly controled by BoB, try the Red alliance. And they were only nerfed soon after a 'Player' spilled the beans on the Bug and a few days alter CCP patched the bug out.
[Puts on tinfoil hat]
Ages ago .... as in .. yesterday.
Reply from CCP GM (about closing those exploitable complexes) is from 4th April 2007 (see link). Kali patch was in January something. Time to milk some 4-7 trillion ISK in loot out of these complexes.
Yes, the Reds DO camp plexes, but most of the time the locals run it ... which in that case is BoD Band of Developers ! I know the Reds well, I have kicked them out of 10/10 plexes for about half a year myself not too long ago.
Have fun
Erillion
Ahh i understand now first of all the complex bug appeard between 1-2 weeks ago. It was not bug reported till the 4th aprill by Dark Shikari and was fixed a few hours later. Now It seems this was a bug and there was no way CCP could know about it to fix it unless A staff member finds it or a player reports it.
And it seems that for a few weeks whatever alliance and corps used it in that time didnt report it for obvious reasons the only reason it was spoted was that one of the people using it relised it was actually a bug he was seeing so he reported it just in case.
For those that dont know that since these new 10/10 complexes came out there have shown they can be very buggy as this has happened before.
ccp the "we cheat for our buddies and are proud of it" company...
Slater, not to be mean or anything but everytime I see a negative EVE post you're right there on top of it defending it in no time flat. Only to have player written confessions and dev blogs thrown in your face. Don't you think it's time to stop being so naive?
And then when you discover that the events really ARE happening, you insult the people who bring it to light and disregard them as tinfoil hatters. I mean how many incidents does it take for you?
Thats is YOUR interpretation .....
ccp the "we cheat for our buddies and are proud of it" company...
Thats is YOUR interpretation .....
Err i think you need to read your origonal post again the guy who started that thread quoted something from his source stating this started sometime around the release of Revilations 1.4 which happened a week ago. So as you can see no interpretation involved here just facts.
Not to be mean or anything also but most of the stuff i hear from the Tinfoil hat squad nowadays that can be called new [today its the Complex Bug]. Is either exaduated severall 100% or largly made up of rumours with no Facts.
As far as i know the only incidents the Tinfoil Hats have confirmed with real facts is the T20 incident And maybee some eliments of this latest complex bug. And when i say some eliments i mean the bit where the 'owning' alliance kept this bug a secret for as long as they could till a few days after the bug appeared it was reported by a player [hoorar for him] causing those complexes to be sorted out a few hours later.
Sadly tho this post and otheres wil probably go unnoticed by your eyes as you seem to have a very biased opinion of CCP and there actions. Just like i do except im pretty much oposite but at least i admit im biased FOR CCP, As in the end they have shown themselves to be a good company with an exelent product.
Actually it took a week for it to come up. You see according to the guy who reported this he says his souces say that the Bug in question appeared after Revilations Patch version 1.4 was released which was at most a week ago. Cant remember exactly when it was released as ive had a lot of hospital apointments but it was definatly after my first scan and the day before my scrub session which puts it to between 6-8 days ago.
So a week sounds right as a good estimate of when the patch came out.
Here i quite agree before the first time this Bug appeared was when the red alliance were caught out doing exactly the same thing for over a monthe aparently. I cant remember why but CCP in the end decided not to punish the Reds?
Of course there is the question of How do you determin if someone is knowingly exploiting a bug after all it being a 10/10 complex isant it supposed to be hard with fast respawns of the hard stuff? Course yuo couldnt answer that as you ahve never done a 5/5 complex let alone a 10/10.
This is of course more tinfoil hat stuff as BoB had nothing to do with this. It was the RED alliance sworn enermys of many alliances including BoB at that time.
Of course one other thing he forgot to mention is that more than 4 complexes were dropped throughout eve all spread evenly around all of 0.0 space. Now thing is BoB controlls over 1/4 of 0.0 space right now so its little suprise so many of them happens to all under BoB controll.
Also even if this was true the ammount of cash made sort of shows how insignificant the T20 bluprint thing was when you consider non bugged complexes produce roughly 30% of the above figres and when you figre BoB owns over 8 non bugged complexes in there vast terratory it sort of shows one reason they are doing so well [swimming in cash].
Its also worth mentioning that D2 and Red alliance were exploiting these ones too. Its even rumourd that they had an unofficial Rota going on among there complex famers to maximise profit. This all came down tho when Dark Shikari [along time campainer for making complexes move location randonly and at random times to fix complex farming] revieled what was ahppening here.
Well im not going to make any more post on this as thias subject is pretty dead now as all the problems are gone complex wise and the things the Tinfoils were whining about have been soundly beaten [tho they will deny this of course -drops bait], of course if anyone posts any interesting comments i MAY answer them if i cant resist. I will end this by saying tho that CCP's responce time from Petition to solution [3-5 hours], for a week old problem was pretty impressive and i think all here will agree that Dark Shikari deservs a round of aplause for his actions.
And of course CCP for ther quick way of fixing this bug [ i belive they just removed them].
Dear Slater,
may I point you AGAIN to the original quote from Dark Shikari
>>> My sources suggest that it has been this way at least since Revelations 1.4 if not previously, meaning those who have been exploiting this for a long time could have amassed trillions of ISK by now.>>>>>
especially to the words "AT LEAST since Rev 1.4" and "exploiting for a LONG TIME". Besides this source I have multiple other in game sources that tell me its been going on since KALI patch.
About the density of complexes .. yes, complexes are all over EVE 0.0 space. However, the density of high end complexes is BY FAR higher in those sectors occupied by BoB. And ESPECIALLY after BoB has conquered this territory, MANY more high end complexes have been added to these regions (many more compared to what has been added to the rest of EVE). So while BoB may have chosen the regions for its already high complex density and the best NPC ratting quality, these regions have become seriously imbalanced compared to the rest of the map. Each reader may draw his own conclusions from that.
IMHO CCP is acting more and more like SOE. And I dont want to see EVE become another SWG/NGE. So its important to point out problems EARLY. In particular when developers think they know whats best for their players (NGE anyone ??!) despite MANY MANY voices speaking up against it. I hope CCP DOES listen, otherwise they will be left with a quarter of the players they had before, just like it happened to SWG.
Have fun
Erillion
Another EVE-O post from today
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Better look into it and fast CCP.
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that means CCP will ban BoB pilots for exploit ? or unban RA for exploit on 8/10 complex like that
CCP know about that problem and banned some RA why dont check all the damn complex 8/10 9/10 10/10 ?
BestSigEver :P
They will ban no one.
Too much effort to unearth enough evidence against the exploiters from log files etc. And far too much effort to trace where the money from the exploits was going. They might find out that 90 % of it has been e-bayed to thousands of normal players. Which would then have to be banned to. They wont open THAT can of worms.
And yes, IMHO they should check all the plexes ... that means to RUN THEM with a (Polaris) team ... on Tranquility, NOT the test server ... might be an eye opening experience for them ;-)
Have fun
Erillion
Here i quite agree before the first time this Bug appeared was when the red alliance were caught out doing exactly the same thing for over a monthe aparently. I cant remember why but CCP in the end decided not to punish the Reds?
Of course there is the question of How do you determin if someone is knowingly exploiting a bug after all it being a 10/10 complex isant it supposed to be hard with fast respawns of the hard stuff? Course yuo couldnt answer that as you ahve never done a 5/5 complex let alone a 10/10.
once again troll your mouth makes a fool of you, I was running plexs in 0.0 solo for a long long time, and KNOW how hard they are, and how the "bosses" were to spawn...so get busy eating crow mr troll...ccp the "we cheat for our buddies and are proud of it" company...
This is of course more tinfoil hat stuff as BoB had nothing to do with this. It was the RED alliance sworn enermys of many alliances including BoB at that time. oohhhhh the troll speaks and his tongue makes him a fool again.
Did you see "BoB" in my post????hmmmm??wellll??? no you did not....
ccp the "we cheat for our buddies and are proud of it" company...
Of course one other thing he forgot to mention is that more than 4 complexes were dropped throughout eve all spread evenly around all of 0.0 space. Now thing is BoB controlls over 1/4 of 0.0 space right now so its little suprise so many of them happens to all under BoB controll.
Also even if this was true the ammount of cash made sort of shows how insignificant the T20 bluprint thing was when you consider non bugged complexes produce roughly 30% of the above figres and when you figre BoB owns over 8 non bugged complexes in there vast terratory it sort of shows one reason they are doing so well [swimming in cash].
Its also worth mentioning that D2 and Red alliance were exploiting these ones too. Its even rumourd that they had an unofficial Rota going on among there complex famers to maximise profit. This all came down tho when Dark Shikari [along time campainer for making complexes move location randonly and at random times to fix complex farming] revieled what was ahppening here.
smoke and mirrors...mymy...give it up, your fanboi trolling is a joke.CCP is only showing the favoritism they have displayed in the past, will still occur. And in their enacting of their favoritism scheme to defraud the majority of the players, they will F up the whole thing and be caught by those with a bit of ethics and morality.
ccp the "we cheat for our buddies and are proud of it" company...