Ouch! 1.3 trillion in a month, and thats minimum, since they drop 500-1500m ISK each, if you take the average that's 2.6 trillion a month, a lot of ISK by anyones standard. Even if it's fixed that's still 1-3 billion a day for each 1 so thats 120-360 a month altogether, all to BoB. I'm fairly new to EVE so I don't really know what went / is going on with the whole BoB thing but I can see where accusations of favouritism are coming from.
Of course one other thing he forgot to mention is that more than 4 complexes were dropped throughout eve all spread evenly around all of 0.0 space. Now thing is BoB controlls over 1/4 of 0.0 space right now so its little suprise so many of them happens to all under BoB controll.
Also even if this was true the ammount of cash made sort of shows how insignificant the T20 bluprint thing was when you consider non bugged complexes produce roughly 30% of the above figres and when you figre BoB owns over 8 non bugged complexes in there vast terratory it sort of shows one reason they are doing so well [swimming in cash].
Its also worth mentioning that D2 and Red alliance were exploiting these ones too. Its even rumourd that they had an unofficial Rota going on among there complex famers to maximise profit. This all came down tho when Dark Shikari [along time campainer for making complexes move location randonly and at random times to fix complex farming] revieled what was ahppening here.
smoke and mirrors...mymy...give it up, your fanboi trolling is a joke.
CCP is only showing the favoritism they have displayed in the past, will still occur. And in their enacting of their favoritism scheme to defraud the majority of the players, they will F up the whole thing and be caught by those with a bit of ethics and morality.
fanboi trolling? or CCP viral marketing/PR attempting damage control...
i mean, look at the list of errors in bob's favor time and time and time again. how everyone BUT boD pilots get banned...
it's called cheating
it's called unethical
it's called immoral
it's called a business actively cheating it's paying clientele. and i can only hope that with the merger with white wolf, that accountability will be FINALLY enforced and good dev or not, they'll either be fired or banned from playing the game that they CAN'T play WITHOUT cheating.
playing is fine, but if all you can do is cheat, and you're a bloody dev... seriously GBTW noob. just goes to show that even though you can code a game, doesn't mean you have any skill at all in it, otherwise they wouldn't be repeatedly biased/cheating, now would they?
like the ownerer would say -- "OWNED NOOB, you like that? huh? how about that? yeah, you like it like that too huh?" and then he'd do the ownerer dance for like 5 minutes.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
I doubt it's been going on for months given that it would have come to light a bit sooner. (People love to brag about their wealth). And given the nature of the game, the probability of a veteran player reporting a bug that lets them accumulate the largest fortune in EVE history is low to say the least. I'd say it's been going on for a few weeks. Maybe up to a month. Could be wrong though, as it took the first dev scandal months to surface.
I and others were pointing out complex exploits to CCP a year ago...but later those that were exploiting them, turned out to be CCP buddies...no wonder it was allowed and nobody was banned for it.
This is of course more tinfoil hat stuff as BoB had nothing to do with this. It was the RED alliance sworn enermys of many alliances including BoB at that time.oohhhhh the troll speaks and his tongue makes him a fool again.
Did you see "BoB" in my post????hmmmm??wellll??? no you did not....
This one seems to be about the only post today in this thread worth my time it seems.......
No i did not see BoB in that post wasant the point the point being is your usuall trolling using words like CCP buddies.
There really is no point arguing with you tho as it just feeds the trolls Congratulations you have 'Won' this topic. Enjoy your victory over this NoN-Issue...............................
Dear Slater, may I point you AGAIN to the original quote from Dark Shikari >>> My sources suggest that it has been this way at least since Revelations 1.4 if not previously, meaning those who have been exploiting this for a long time could have amassed trillions of ISK by now.>>>>> especially to the words "AT LEAST since Rev 1.4" and "exploiting for a LONG TIME"Err yea 7 days is a long time for a organised alliance He may also be alluding to the last time such a bug has been revieled by this guy tho and that was some time ago.. Besides this source I have multiple other in game sources that tell me its been going on since KALI patch. You do know that Kali was a pre patch name for revilations dont you? About the density of complexes .. yes, complexes are all over EVE 0.0 space. However, the density of high end complexes is BY FAR higher in those sectors occupied by BoB Well makes sence for an alliance to take over good sites. And ESPECIALLY after BoB has conquered this territory Can you show me your proof of this seems fishy?, MANY more high end complexes have been added to these regions (many more compared to what has been added to the rest of EVE) Maybee it is because the other regions already ahve a good number of such complexes and Delve is just playing catch up. course no way to tell as you havent posted any hard data here. So while BoB may have chosen the regions for its already high complex density and the best NPC ratting quality, these regions have become seriously imbalanced compared to the rest of the map. Each reader may draw his own conclusions from that. Id like too when i see some actuall veryfiable data. IMHO CCP is acting more and more like SOE. And I dont want to see EVE become another SWG/NGE. So its important to point out problems EARLY. In particular when developers think they know whats best for their players (NGE anyone ??!) despite MANY MANY voices speaking up against it. I hope CCP DOES listen, otherwise they will be left with a quarter of the players they had before, just like it happened to SWG. Have fun Erillion
Not to pull down your enthusiasm you will get a lot more support if yuo posted some more ahrd Data so people like me could actually look at things too see if it is as yuo say because then if it was done so then we could all see things your way. Till then i reserve my juidgment and base it on what i ahve seen which is a game that seems to run fine with no big meta groups constraining eve.
See thats the problem despite all these evil things yuo lot 'discover' it seems when people are palying eve its like they suddenly dissapear. So what id like to know is what times you paly eve so i can see these evil exploits for myself?
Currently waiting for: Age of Conan, Warhammer Online, and a LordSlater post that doesn't refer to anyone bringing harmful information about EVE or CCP as a tinfoil hatter.
I doubt it's been going on for months given that it would have come to light a bit sooner. (People love to brag about their wealth). And given the nature of the game, the probability of a veteran player reporting a bug that lets them accumulate the largest fortune in EVE history is low to say the least. I'd say it's been going on for a few weeks. Maybe up to a month. Could be wrong though, as it took the first dev scandal months to surface.
I and others were pointing out complex exploits to CCP a year ago...but later those that were exploiting them, turned out to be CCP buddies...no wonder it was allowed and nobody was banned for it.
This is of course more tinfoil hat stuff as BoB had nothing to do with this. It was the RED alliance sworn enermys of many alliances including BoB at that time.oohhhhh the troll speaks and his tongue makes him a fool again.
Did you see "BoB" in my post????hmmmm??wellll??? no you did not....
This one seems to be about the only post today in this thread worth my time it seems.......
No i did not see BoB in that post wasant the point the point being is your usuall trolling using words like CCP buddies.
There really is no point arguing with you tho as it just feeds the trolls Congratulations you have 'Won' this topic. Enjoy your victory over this NoN-Issue...............................
so once again you are shown to be wrong yet still grasp at straws to save face.
Give it up, CCP deserves all the grief their own actions are bringing them.
ccp!=diety
ccp the "we cheat for our buddies and are proud of it" company...
you guys realize how many accounts would be banned if we actually banned people for not reporting bugs. How long did the Worlds Collide bug go before it was fixed. That was far worse than this was and even more rampant as it occured on a far more available mission. Forget what the calculations where but I think it was a few billion a day and it was available in High sec.
Aye, the Worlds Collide farming was one of the worst exploits, dumping untold billions into the economy. Maybe worse than the plex exploits, because the plex exploit only shifts money from one player to the other, while the Worlds Collide bug introduced A LOT of cash out of thin air into the EVE economy (through NPC pirate bounty payments).
To Slater:
a) I stand corrected about the name of the patch ... i meant the patch = Build 27912 ... see patch notes on the official EVE homepage www.eve-online.com ... I hope this is precise enough for you. That build is "a bit" older than 7 days ;-) Thank you for pointing out my mistake.
Look especially at the part about "Deadspace, Agents and Missions", the lines about new deadspace complexes having been added (some open on map, some to be found via exploration), the changes to Angel 8/10 plexes and the changes to Worlds Collide.
b) information about complex density can be found in the in game map , setting "show DED complexes"
I only want to quote Dark Shikari again (from FIX, a BoB ally ... his post started this thread):
"Querious has a surprisingly large number of complexes and we run all of them ..."
and thats only one of the 6 regions under BoB & ally control. Dark Shikari should know it best, as he belongs to "Band of Developers".
c) I am mostly online during EURO primetime and before/after DT whenever possible. In the past I spent a lot of time in the sectors Omist, Esoteria, Feythablis, Paragon Soul, Stain, Querious, Delve, Fountain. Nowadays I am roaming across the whole map.
Aye, the Worlds Collide farming was one of the worst exploits, dumping untold billions into the economy. Maybe worse than the plex exploits, because the plex exploit only shifts money from one player to the other, while the Worlds Collide bug introduced A LOT of cash out of thin air into the EVE economy (through NPC pirate bounty payments). To Slater: a) I stand corrected about the name of the patch ... i meant the patch = Build 27912 ... see patch notes on the official EVE homepage www.eve-online.com ... I hope this is precise enough for you. That build is "a bit" older than 7 days ;-) Thank you for pointing out my mistake. Look especially at the part about "Deadspace, Agents and Missions", the lines about new deadspace complexes having been added (some open on map, some to be found via exploration), the changes to Angel 8/10 plexes and the changes to Worlds Collide. b) information about complex density can be found in the in game map , setting "show DED complexes" I only want to quote Dark Shikari again (from FIX, a BoB ally ... his post started this thread): "Querious has a surprisingly large number of complexes and we run all of them ..." and thats only one of the 6 regions under BoB & ally control. Dark Shikari should know it best, as he belongs to "Band of Developers". c) I am mostly online during EURO primetime and before/after DT whenever possible. In the past I spent a lot of time in the sectors Omist, Esoteria, Feythablis, Paragon Soul, Stain, Querious, Delve, Fountain. Nowadays I am roaming across the whole map. Have fun Erillion
Thank you for providing me more precise information i too stand corrected. Oh and im sorry about the log on times i wrotwe that in a moment of annoyance and i take it back. Concerning the alrge number of complexes added to space currently owned by BoB i see why some people would feel its a sign of showing favouratism to certain groups and i accept that it is one possable enterpretation of the evidence. I still persoanlly feel tho that its just coincidnece. I guess we shall ahve to see how things develop in that area before i can make a final judgement.
I will end this by saying that i do like your posts tho they tend to be [largely] pretty level headed and consise
It basically comes down to this. We know that t20 and possibly other devs/GMs favored BOB. We know that one of them got slapped on the wrist and nothing more. We know that the excuse provided for lack of proper punishment was moot.
I've defended Eve and CCP as fair devs for a long time but now i'm just fed up. It's apparent to me now that these "coincidences" such as a higher density of 10/10s in BOB space and only those owned by BOB directly or through their pet corps with such fast respawn rates, are in effect not coincidences. They can't be. No way could BOB be accidentally and coincidentally favored for over a year now. The likelihood is that it is only a minority of CCP devs in on this, and they probably slapped t20 on the wrist to make people feel there were no more cheaters there. But while the honest majority of devs in CCP are apparently too busy to notice and punish these infrractions in a just manner (fire the devs/GMs favoring anyone) then these favours will only grow. The reality of course being that CCP don't want to open a can of rotten worms that would completely ruin their already tainted reputation.
LordSlater. If you remember we both defended Eve in a few threads before, agreeing with each other, but now I must say that you are blindly defending Eve and you're only making it worse. Reading your posts it becomes apparent how wrong you are, and because of people with blind faith like you, CCP continue to see a market increase in subscribers, and while those numbers increase, they know they can continue their unfair policies without repercussions.
DarkShikari only posted this because he knew that one day or another someone else would report this and his name would appear on the list of those actively exploiting, so he thought he might aswell pre-empt it. He has a very high reputation amongst Eve and is universally known as THE forum wh*re. However BOB and FIX, as well as DarkShikari have been netting billions from these plexes for months now. You think he only just started working with them? In that thread, if you read carefully, it is all a well manipulated PR stunt by FIX, with the FIX chairman himself saying how honest etc. they were. But they've been exploiting this system for weeks if not months! Dozens of FIXians knew of it, and i'm not even going to talk about BOB (speak out when you're in BOB and you're screwed).
So to all those defending CCP as a neutral party. Stop now before you ruin your own reputation and harm Eve even more. When another official post appears on the topic of another dev aiding BOB, you'll lose your credibility, and CCP covering up so long only amplifies their reputation hit once it all spills out. Instead you should try and focus on explaining how those Devs helping are a minority, and that CCP as a whole shouldn't be regarded as lame cheaters because of the actions of a few employees.
It basically comes down to this. We know that t20 and possibly other devs/GMs favored BOB. We know that one of them got slapped on the wrist and nothing more. We know that the excuse provided for lack of proper punishment was moot.
I've defended Eve and CCP as fair devs for a long time but now i'm just fed up. It's apparent to me now that these "coincidences" such as a higher density of 10/10s in BOB space and only those owned by BOB directly or through their pet corps with such fast respawn rates, are in effect not coincidences. They can't be. No way could BOB be accidentally and coincidentally favored for over a year now. The likelihood is that it is only a minority of CCP devs in on this, and they probably slapped t20 on the wrist to make people feel there were no more cheaters there. But while the honest majority of devs in CCP are apparently too busy to notice and punish these infrractions in a just manner (fire the devs/GMs favoring anyone) then these favours will only grow. The reality of course being that CCP don't want to open a can of rotten worms that would completely ruin their already tainted reputation.
LordSlater. If you remember we both defended Eve in a few threads before, agreeing with each other, but now I must say that you are blindly defending Eve and you're only making it worse. Reading your posts it becomes apparent how wrong you are, and because of people with blind faith like you, CCP continue to see a market increase in subscribers, and while those numbers increase, they know they can continue their unfair policies without repercussions.
DarkShikari only posted this because he knew that one day or another someone else would report this and his name would appear on the list of those actively exploiting, so he thought he might aswell pre-empt it. He has a very high reputation amongst Eve and is universally known as THE forum wh*re. However BOB and FIX, as well as DarkShikari have been netting billions from these plexes for months now. You think he only just started working with them? In that thread, if you read carefully, it is all a well manipulated PR stunt by FIX, with the FIX chairman himself saying how honest etc. they were. But they've been exploiting this system for weeks if not months! Dozens of FIXians knew of it, and i'm not even going to talk about BOB (speak out when you're in BOB and you're screwed).
So to all those defending CCP as a neutral party. Stop now before you ruin your own reputation and harm Eve even more. When another official post appears on the topic of another dev aiding BOB, you'll lose your credibility, and CCP covering up so long only amplifies their reputation hit once it all spills out. Instead you should try and focus on explaining how those Devs helping are a minority, and that CCP as a whole shouldn't be regarded as lame cheaters because of the actions of a few employees.
a few employees that you know of because they were exposed and couldn't deny the evidence.
that is an important distinction to make, because of, i forget the exact term, but basically, 'acceptable social deviancy".
i.e. if you're in the mafia, and it's ok to kill certain people, beat other people up, steal/rob from folks and that's the accepted norm, then in YOUR social circles, you're doing what is accepted and therefore won't be ousted or looked down upon for engaging in such activities.
like, t20 being exposed, FORCED to confess (only to what he was caught doing) and nothing happening to him. why not? is it the accepted norm at ccp? if it WEREN'T the accepted norm...
picture a normal group of honest, law abiding citizens. the people in an office, grocery store, whatever. none of them break the law, beat their wives, etc. now, one day, one of them is not only smoking crack, but selling it to kids, in the manager's office, and this is caught on video (with sound), and everyone in the store finds out about it (from watching the video). now, no one at the store does anything other than "hey, you shouldn't be doing that, we're flushing your crack pipe and rocks down the toilet" and it ends there. but everyone that shops at the grocery store also saw that video.
and if you don't like real world comparisons, then substitute whatever made up stuff you want, but you're getting a real world comparison because these are actual PEOPLE we're talking about. if t20 and ccp staff were robots, i'd give a robotic example. but, if the crack dealer were exposed at an ordinary grocery store, where honest people work, you can be certain the above wouldn't happen, but he'd be in jail quicker than you can um, do something very quickly.
no matter what they say, the devs PLAY the game. they have no excuse of "oh we didn't realize that those bpos might be worth anything other than a couple of isk" or "we don't know what else he did, as far as we know, he's an honest guy and he's told us that's all he's done and our logs only go back a couple of weeks so we can't prove otherwise"
both of those excuses are total bupkus. firstly, how are you going to be in the office, playtesting (because, that's why they play right? to make sure the game works and to find out ways to make it better) and never have any interaction with the other people in the office playing the same game?
is there ever a time any of you are in a room with more than one computer and more than one person playing games on the multiple computers at a time? in my living room, there will be at least three computers, and normally at least three folks playing games. now, even on different games, you'll hear each of us asking the other what they're doing (if they're in an area in a game we haven't been before), or we'll be talking about things going on in the game we're playing. so, no, i find it hard to believe that you're going to be part of a paid-team whose supposed purpose in playing eve, is to find bugs and make eve a better game, and NO ONE on this team EVER talks to each other about what's going on in the game.
gullible is one thing. outright stupidity and ignorance is something else. no tinfoil hats required. it's called "pay a little attention to what has happened the past year +"
so please, paste a tinfoil hat on this sort of thinking so you can be branded as having the brain of a goldfish. and yeah, this doesn't disagree with the quoted post, just sorta adds to it, in agreement even.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
oh and it's not uncommon for in-game devs to things like this. Look at WoW, or guild wars. The problem is with eve being on one server these small dev actions are easier to find.
Do you know why these things happen? because they made the game. and while I personaly think it shouldn't happen, it's going to. Because it's their game. this isn't some OMG the gaming communty is so innocent how dare one dev do something so evil. it's prefectly normal. Every RPG out there has an instant lvl 99 cheat. Even starfox 64 has a way to fly through the whole game as the great fox. just because it's their game so why not.
the problem is this is a MMO. Which is why it should be stopped.
but please people, stop calling CCP the most corupt company ever. If you really believe you are far to ignorant.
If you need me to back up my claims, then I will start find other exlampes opf the same thing.
Like in everquest. where gms could point click kill you. and gave there friend epics by selecting them form a drop down menu.
and once again, Bpos? for t2 small missles? are you kidding me? t2 missles are horrible. I mena I'm sure they have advanges, but I personally don't want 50%range misles that reduce my speed by 20%. even with 2 more dps.
I don't defend CCP
I just want to point out that this shouldn't be a surprize
oh no not a few t2 blue prints, what will we do.......
.......and once again, Bpos? for t2 small missles? are you kidding me? t2 missles are horrible. I mena I'm sure they have advanges, but I personally don't want 50%range misles that reduce my speed by 20%. even with 2 more dps.
Yeah, guess you just happened to miss the Sabre BPO eh? t2 ship BPOs are the iwin button of EVE. And since you think just because you read one devblog you know the entire situation. This thread is not just about those BPOs or the shared exploits with favored players. It's about that, in addition to the mysterious "system player cap changes" in SPECIFIC BoB controlled systems, and the actual title of the thread about their multi trillion ISK exploiting of broken spawn times of 10/10 complex overlords.
So get all the facts or stfu. Or you can just be another slater and deny any of it even happened and go around trolling the forum calling us tinfoil hatters when we're the ones holding the player written accounts and dev blogs.
ok so I'm not the smartest block out there. I'm not all down with EvE online.
I hope I don't mention that there are 4 sabre BPOs. and that they can be invented now.
but besides that, my point still stands.
it's the gaming industy, devs cheat. I'm not defending CCP. But as someone going to digipen, and surround by game devopers, and hopefully one day working in the industry, and I'm sure the temptation will reach me too some day.
"hey dan, check it out our new game is almost done"
"really? what's it about?"
"dragon fighting! and swords and you can PvP"
"wow, cool, it would neat if I could run around with a weapon that no one else had"
"done"
lol have some good luaghs, watch dan pawn people. And then my boss finds out slaps me on wrist, and we continue on with our lifes.
I made the fucking game deal with it.
sure this is a HORRIBLE way top get people to play your game. and will cost many accounts. but my point still stands.
and I fuck up and make it so that billions of free moneys get pumped into game, then well personally I would make it dissapear. but that's just me.
ok so I'm not the smartest block out there. I'm not all down with EvE online.
I hope I don't mention that there are 4 sabre BPOs. and that they can be invented now.
but besides that, my point still stands.
it's the gaming industy, devs cheat. I'm not defending CCP. But as someone going to digipen, and surround by game devopers, and hopefully one day working in the industry, and I'm sure the temptation will reach me too some day.
"hey dan, check it out our new game is almost done"
"really? what's it about?"
"dragon fighting! and swords and you can PvP"
"wow, cool, it would neat if I could run around with a weapon that no one else had"
"done"
lol have some good luaghs, watch dan pawn people. And then my boss finds out slaps me on wrist, and we continue on with our lifes.
I made the fucking game deal with it.
sure this is a HORRIBLE way top get people to play your game. and will cost many accounts. but my point still stands.
and I fuck up and make it so that billions of free moneys get pumped into game, then well personally I would make it dissapear. but that's just me.
That's a completely different situation that what we are talking about here. Sure devs spawn themselves in invincible Jove ships and i've seen videos of it. They're rather entertaining and don't really affect anything.
What we're talking about is when the devs take that step beyond something quirky and entertaining, and use it to purely profit themselves and their buddies. And you can't compare it to something like EQ either. In EQ, if you have an uberswordofpwnage+5 given to you by a dev, great. In EQ as in other games, that sword doesn't have the resounding effect across the entire gameworld. In EVE, it does. Therefore, it has an almost gamebreaking effect for everyone who's not on their "buddy" list.
oh and it's not uncommon for in-game devs to things like this. Look at WoW, or guild wars. The problem is with eve being on one server these small dev actions are easier to find.
Do you know why these things happen? because they made the game. and while I personaly think it shouldn't happen, it's going to. Because it's their game. this isn't some OMG the gaming communty is so innocent how dare one dev do something so evil. it's prefectly normal. Every RPG out there has an instant lvl 99 cheat. Even starfox 64 has a way to fly through the whole game as the great fox. just because it's their game so why not.
the problem is this is a MMO. Which is why it should be stopped.
but please people, stop calling CCP the most corupt company ever. If you really believe you are far to ignorant.
If you need me to back up my claims, then I will start find other exlampes opf the same thing.
Like in everquest. where gms could point click kill you. and gave there friend epics by selecting them form a drop down menu.
and once again, Bpos? for t2 small missles? are you kidding me? t2 missles are horrible. I mena I'm sure they have advanges, but I personally don't want 50%range misles that reduce my speed by 20%. even with 2 more dps.
I don't defend CCP
I just want to point out that this shouldn't be a surprize
welcome to the mmo gaming industry.
most are just smarter to not get caught :P
so i guess it's time to break it down to the wow forum comprehension level.
you go around stealing from every house in the neighborhood. one house at random, you get caught stealing. no one else can prove you were at any of the other houses, some houses don't even realize you've stolen from them. unless you're an idiot, you're not going to blurt out to the world that you've stolen from all the other houses. you'll be like "yeah, you caught me, sorry".
that is a direct comparison to the t20 thing. can you understand the comparison? honestly, i can't break it down any further.
all you know of, is what he was caught doing. the fact that they insist that is all he's done, and have essentially stated that he's basically an honest chap and wouldn't do that sort of thing and by the by we can't trace it anywho; coupled with no one else ever saw/knew anything.
add on all the oddities... the ship/player limit when the fight FINALLY comes to bod-land, keeping out 60% of the coailtion's cap fleet. the complex farming by bod and bod allies (in the south even). and just everything else.
so, which guild exactly in wow is kaplan spawning uber legendary gear for? what guild in eq are they killing off the raid bosses and letting the guys just loot the kills? i'd love to give a pvp example, if real pvp existed in those games.
if you're attempting viral, you are incredibly sucktastic at it. hope you didn't get paid for it.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
and you have a good point, most games mmo wise don't have eve's lvl of PvP
which is why this game is getting more attention for a cheating dev.
still I'm just surprized it took 3 years before people started getting in an unroar.
it's been an uproar, because bod was/is so powerful.
but knowing that all the times GMs have hung out around BOD fights, and all the times people have ACCUSED gms of cheating because this or that happened and all of a sudden bod won... it just makes you wonder how many hundreds of billions of isk worth of goodies have been lost by honest folk fighting against bod, and some gm/staff member just decided to "poof" kill off folks, or whatever.
so, with the cheating coming to light. with nothing else being admitted to. and with the other accusations, which were tied in with the t20 bpo accusations, being ignored and bod folk not being punished for any of it... it fuels the fire for all those other times where people were labeled as tinfoilers, makes rational folks wonder if bod could've ever even taken a single system and held it, if not for years of cheating by gms/staff...
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
My guess is that Slater is a BoB pilot. CCP has shown favoratism, and with this war going the way it is, it looks as though BoB may not be falling as some hope. I highly doubt CCP will lose many customers over it. Things will shift, empires rise and fall.
Change is inevitable, except from vending machines.
Ofcourse BoB won't loose, ofcourse CCP will not loose many customers and so on... like a former corpmate of mine asked me on skype.
"Do you really belive that CCP will change anything because of your cancelation of your accounts ?" .. I answered .. "NO, I don't expect them to do so, however if 10000 or more actually did so then you got customer power."
I did cancel my accounts, had 2 and have been playing for 3 years and felt that it really pisses me off when someone cheats in a game and the way CCP did and still do threat it's paying customers it was about time to cancel my accounts.
The thing is that people still pay CCP even that they feel cheated in the hope that CCP will change their mind one day ... the truth is that as long as people still pay CCP then CCP will never change .. why should them ??? they can cheat and threat people like they want and people still seems to want to pay them there really is no need to change the behavior do you think ?
The only and best way to make CCP change their mind and do the right thing is to hurt them at the only place it will and that is their Wallet ... once 10 000 pilots suddenly disapeared from the game ... it would hurt them... and maybe even force them to do the right thing.
Of course one other thing he forgot to mention is that more than 4 complexes were dropped throughout eve all spread evenly around all of 0.0 space. Now thing is BoB controlls over 1/4 of 0.0 space right now so its little suprise so many of them happens to all under BoB controll.
BoB doesnt directly control 1/4 of EvE 0.0 space. Between them and their pets they do, but 3 of the 4 complexes were directly in BoB space while the other was in the space controlled by a BoB pet.
Even using your BoB controls 1/4 of EVE space, however the results is shall we say improbable. The probability of 4 randomly placed complexes all ending up in the space owned by BoB and their pets is less then 1 in 20. This is below the threshold normally used for statistical certainty.
There is also the small matter of punishment. RA had 30+ pilots banned because of they used bugged 8/10 complexes. BoB systematically exploits bugged 10/10 complexes and Nothing.
Of course one other thing he forgot to mention is that more than 4 complexes were dropped throughout eve all spread evenly around all of 0.0 space. Now thing is BoB controlls over 1/4 of 0.0 space right now so its little suprise so many of them happens to all under BoB controll.
BoB doesn’t directly control 1/4 of EvE 0.0 space. Between them and their pets they do, but 3 of the 4 complexes were directly in BoB space while the other was in the space controlled by a BoB pet. Well if 1/4 of space is owned by BoB and there pets dont that make it BoB space by default if they are pets?
Even using your “BoB controls 1/4 of EVE space”, however the results is shall we say improbable. The probability of 4 randomly placed complexes all ending up in the space owned by BoB and their pets is less then 1 in 20. This is below the threshold normally used for statistical certainty.
There is also the small matter of punishment. RA had 30+ pilots banned because of they used bugged 8/10 complexes. BoB systematically exploits bugged 10/10 complexes and… Nothing.
Problem with this theory of yours is the highlighted bit, The complexes are not placed randomly otherwise what you would get is a random mess. What they do is they look at the map and see where the current complexes are and see what locations could do with more complexes. Of course the things that help decide what locations need or dont need complexes are many such as where do people tend to hang out would it help with the node ballance if a complex was moxed to a different location for example.
Concerning the final paragraph concerning Ra i cant really comment on that as i dont really know enough about this to form a proper oppinion if you could Send some more detailed info to my inbox that would be a great help.
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Of course one other thing he forgot to mention is that more than 4 complexes were dropped throughout eve all spread evenly around all of 0.0 space. Now thing is BoB controlls over 1/4 of 0.0 space right now so its little suprise so many of them happens to all under BoB controll.
Also even if this was true the ammount of cash made sort of shows how insignificant the T20 bluprint thing was when you consider non bugged complexes produce roughly 30% of the above figres and when you figre BoB owns over 8 non bugged complexes in there vast terratory it sort of shows one reason they are doing so well [swimming in cash].
Its also worth mentioning that D2 and Red alliance were exploiting these ones too. Its even rumourd that they had an unofficial Rota going on among there complex famers to maximise profit. This all came down tho when Dark Shikari [along time campainer for making complexes move location randonly and at random times to fix complex farming] revieled what was ahppening here.
smoke and mirrors...mymy...give it up, your fanboi trolling is a joke.CCP is only showing the favoritism they have displayed in the past, will still occur. And in their enacting of their favoritism scheme to defraud the majority of the players, they will F up the whole thing and be caught by those with a bit of ethics and morality.
fanboi trolling? or CCP viral marketing/PR attempting damage control...
i mean, look at the list of errors in bob's favor time and time and time again. how everyone BUT boD pilots get banned...
it's called cheating
it's called unethical
it's called immoral
it's called a business actively cheating it's paying clientele. and i can only hope that with the merger with white wolf, that accountability will be FINALLY enforced and good dev or not, they'll either be fired or banned from playing the game that they CAN'T play WITHOUT cheating.
playing is fine, but if all you can do is cheat, and you're a bloody dev... seriously GBTW noob. just goes to show that even though you can code a game, doesn't mean you have any skill at all in it, otherwise they wouldn't be repeatedly biased/cheating, now would they?
like the ownerer would say -- "OWNED NOOB, you like that? huh? how about that? yeah, you like it like that too huh?" and then he'd do the ownerer dance for like 5 minutes.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
This is of course more tinfoil hat stuff as BoB had nothing to do with this. It was the RED alliance sworn enermys of many alliances including BoB at that time.oohhhhh the troll speaks and his tongue makes him a fool again.
Did you see "BoB" in my post????hmmmm??wellll??? no you did not....
This one seems to be about the only post today in this thread worth my time it seems.......
No i did not see BoB in that post wasant the point the point being is your usuall trolling using words like CCP buddies.
There really is no point arguing with you tho as it just feeds the trolls Congratulations you have 'Won' this topic. Enjoy your victory over this NoN-Issue
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Not to pull down your enthusiasm you will get a lot more support if yuo posted some more ahrd Data so people like me could actually look at things too see if it is as yuo say because then if it was done so then we could all see things your way. Till then i reserve my juidgment and base it on what i ahve seen which is a game that seems to run fine with no big meta groups constraining eve.
See thats the problem despite all these evil things yuo lot 'discover' it seems when people are palying eve its like they suddenly dissapear. So what id like to know is what times you paly eve so i can see these evil exploits for myself?
Currently waiting for: Age of Conan, Warhammer Online, and a LordSlater post that doesn't refer to anyone bringing harmful information about EVE or CCP as a tinfoil hatter.
This is of course more tinfoil hat stuff as BoB had nothing to do with this. It was the RED alliance sworn enermys of many alliances including BoB at that time.oohhhhh the troll speaks and his tongue makes him a fool again.
Did you see "BoB" in my post????hmmmm??wellll??? no you did not....
This one seems to be about the only post today in this thread worth my time it seems.......
No i did not see BoB in that post wasant the point the point being is your usuall trolling using words like CCP buddies.
There really is no point arguing with you tho as it just feeds the trolls Congratulations you have 'Won' this topic. Enjoy your victory over this NoN-Issue
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so once again you are shown to be wrong yet still grasp at straws to save face.Give it up, CCP deserves all the grief their own actions are bringing them.
ccp!=diety
ccp the "we cheat for our buddies and are proud of it" company...
Aye, the Worlds Collide farming was one of the worst exploits, dumping untold billions into the economy. Maybe worse than the plex exploits, because the plex exploit only shifts money from one player to the other, while the Worlds Collide bug introduced A LOT of cash out of thin air into the EVE economy (through NPC pirate bounty payments).
To Slater:
a) I stand corrected about the name of the patch ... i meant the patch = Build 27912 ... see patch notes on the official EVE homepage www.eve-online.com ... I hope this is precise enough for you. That build is "a bit" older than 7 days ;-) Thank you for pointing out my mistake.
Look especially at the part about "Deadspace, Agents and Missions", the lines about new deadspace complexes having been added (some open on map, some to be found via exploration), the changes to Angel 8/10 plexes and the changes to Worlds Collide.
b) information about complex density can be found in the in game map , setting "show DED complexes"
I only want to quote Dark Shikari again (from FIX, a BoB ally ... his post started this thread):
"Querious has a surprisingly large number of complexes and we run all of them ..."
and thats only one of the 6 regions under BoB & ally control. Dark Shikari should know it best, as he belongs to "Band of Developers".
c) I am mostly online during EURO primetime and before/after DT whenever possible. In the past I spent a lot of time in the sectors Omist, Esoteria, Feythablis, Paragon Soul, Stain, Querious, Delve, Fountain. Nowadays I am roaming across the whole map.
Have fun
Erillion
Thank you for providing me more precise information i too stand corrected. Oh and im sorry about the log on times i wrotwe that in a moment of annoyance and i take it back. Concerning the alrge number of complexes added to space currently owned by BoB i see why some people would feel its a sign of showing favouratism to certain groups and i accept that it is one possable enterpretation of the evidence. I still persoanlly feel tho that its just coincidnece. I guess we shall ahve to see how things develop in that area before i can make a final judgement.
I will end this by saying that i do like your posts tho they tend to be [largely] pretty level headed and consise
I've defended Eve and CCP as fair devs for a long time but now i'm just fed up. It's apparent to me now that these "coincidences" such as a higher density of 10/10s in BOB space and only those owned by BOB directly or through their pet corps with such fast respawn rates, are in effect not coincidences. They can't be. No way could BOB be accidentally and coincidentally favored for over a year now. The likelihood is that it is only a minority of CCP devs in on this, and they probably slapped t20 on the wrist to make people feel there were no more cheaters there. But while the honest majority of devs in CCP are apparently too busy to notice and punish these infrractions in a just manner (fire the devs/GMs favoring anyone) then these favours will only grow. The reality of course being that CCP don't want to open a can of rotten worms that would completely ruin their already tainted reputation.
LordSlater. If you remember we both defended Eve in a few threads before, agreeing with each other, but now I must say that you are blindly defending Eve and you're only making it worse. Reading your posts it becomes apparent how wrong you are, and because of people with blind faith like you, CCP continue to see a market increase in subscribers, and while those numbers increase, they know they can continue their unfair policies without repercussions.
DarkShikari only posted this because he knew that one day or another someone else would report this and his name would appear on the list of those actively exploiting, so he thought he might aswell pre-empt it. He has a very high reputation amongst Eve and is universally known as THE forum wh*re. However BOB and FIX, as well as DarkShikari have been netting billions from these plexes for months now. You think he only just started working with them? In that thread, if you read carefully, it is all a well manipulated PR stunt by FIX, with the FIX chairman himself saying how honest etc. they were. But they've been exploiting this system for weeks if not months! Dozens of FIXians knew of it, and i'm not even going to talk about BOB (speak out when you're in BOB and you're screwed).
So to all those defending CCP as a neutral party. Stop now before you ruin your own reputation and harm Eve even more. When another official post appears on the topic of another dev aiding BOB, you'll lose your credibility, and CCP covering up so long only amplifies their reputation hit once it all spills out. Instead you should try and focus on explaining how those Devs helping are a minority, and that CCP as a whole shouldn't be regarded as lame cheaters because of the actions of a few employees.
a few employees that you know of because they were exposed and couldn't deny the evidence.
that is an important distinction to make, because of, i forget the exact term, but basically, 'acceptable social deviancy".
i.e. if you're in the mafia, and it's ok to kill certain people, beat other people up, steal/rob from folks and that's the accepted norm, then in YOUR social circles, you're doing what is accepted and therefore won't be ousted or looked down upon for engaging in such activities.
like, t20 being exposed, FORCED to confess (only to what he was caught doing) and nothing happening to him. why not? is it the accepted norm at ccp? if it WEREN'T the accepted norm...
picture a normal group of honest, law abiding citizens. the people in an office, grocery store, whatever. none of them break the law, beat their wives, etc. now, one day, one of them is not only smoking crack, but selling it to kids, in the manager's office, and this is caught on video (with sound), and everyone in the store finds out about it (from watching the video). now, no one at the store does anything other than "hey, you shouldn't be doing that, we're flushing your crack pipe and rocks down the toilet" and it ends there. but everyone that shops at the grocery store also saw that video.
and if you don't like real world comparisons, then substitute whatever made up stuff you want, but you're getting a real world comparison because these are actual PEOPLE we're talking about. if t20 and ccp staff were robots, i'd give a robotic example. but, if the crack dealer were exposed at an ordinary grocery store, where honest people work, you can be certain the above wouldn't happen, but he'd be in jail quicker than you can um, do something very quickly.
no matter what they say, the devs PLAY the game. they have no excuse of "oh we didn't realize that those bpos might be worth anything other than a couple of isk" or "we don't know what else he did, as far as we know, he's an honest guy and he's told us that's all he's done and our logs only go back a couple of weeks so we can't prove otherwise"
both of those excuses are total bupkus. firstly, how are you going to be in the office, playtesting (because, that's why they play right? to make sure the game works and to find out ways to make it better) and never have any interaction with the other people in the office playing the same game?
is there ever a time any of you are in a room with more than one computer and more than one person playing games on the multiple computers at a time? in my living room, there will be at least three computers, and normally at least three folks playing games. now, even on different games, you'll hear each of us asking the other what they're doing (if they're in an area in a game we haven't been before), or we'll be talking about things going on in the game we're playing. so, no, i find it hard to believe that you're going to be part of a paid-team whose supposed purpose in playing eve, is to find bugs and make eve a better game, and NO ONE on this team EVER talks to each other about what's going on in the game.
gullible is one thing. outright stupidity and ignorance is something else. no tinfoil hats required. it's called "pay a little attention to what has happened the past year +"
so please, paste a tinfoil hat on this sort of thinking so you can be branded as having the brain of a goldfish. and yeah, this doesn't disagree with the quoted post, just sorta adds to it, in agreement even.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
oh no not a few t2 blue prints, what will we do.
oh and it's not uncommon for in-game devs to things like this. Look at WoW, or guild wars. The problem is with eve being on one server these small dev actions are easier to find.
Do you know why these things happen? because they made the game. and while I personaly think it shouldn't happen, it's going to. Because it's their game. this isn't some OMG the gaming communty is so innocent how dare one dev do something so evil. it's prefectly normal. Every RPG out there has an instant lvl 99 cheat. Even starfox 64 has a way to fly through the whole game as the great fox. just because it's their game so why not.
the problem is this is a MMO. Which is why it should be stopped.
but please people, stop calling CCP the most corupt company ever. If you really believe you are far to ignorant.
If you need me to back up my claims, then I will start find other exlampes opf the same thing.
Like in everquest. where gms could point click kill you. and gave there friend epics by selecting them form a drop down menu.
and once again, Bpos? for t2 small missles? are you kidding me? t2 missles are horrible. I mena I'm sure they have advanges, but I personally don't want 50%range misles that reduce my speed by 20%. even with 2 more dps.
I don't defend CCP
I just want to point out that this shouldn't be a surprize
welcome to the mmo gaming industry.
most are just smarter to not get caught :P
Yeah, guess you just happened to miss the Sabre BPO eh? t2 ship BPOs are the iwin button of EVE. And since you think just because you read one devblog you know the entire situation. This thread is not just about those BPOs or the shared exploits with favored players. It's about that, in addition to the mysterious "system player cap changes" in SPECIFIC BoB controlled systems, and the actual title of the thread about their multi trillion ISK exploiting of broken spawn times of 10/10 complex overlords.
So get all the facts or stfu. Or you can just be another slater and deny any of it even happened and go around trolling the forum calling us tinfoil hatters when we're the ones holding the player written accounts and dev blogs.
I hope I don't mention that there are 4 sabre BPOs. and that they can be invented now.
but besides that, my point still stands.
it's the gaming industy, devs cheat. I'm not defending CCP. But as someone going to digipen, and surround by game devopers, and hopefully one day working in the industry, and I'm sure the temptation will reach me too some day.
"hey dan, check it out our new game is almost done"
"really? what's it about?"
"dragon fighting! and swords and you can PvP"
"wow, cool, it would neat if I could run around with a weapon that no one else had"
"done"
lol have some good luaghs, watch dan pawn people. And then my boss finds out slaps me on wrist, and we continue on with our lifes.
I made the fucking game deal with it.
sure this is a HORRIBLE way top get people to play your game. and will cost many accounts. but my point still stands.
and I fuck up and make it so that billions of free moneys get pumped into game, then well personally I would make it dissapear. but that's just me.
That's a completely different situation that what we are talking about here. Sure devs spawn themselves in invincible Jove ships and i've seen videos of it. They're rather entertaining and don't really affect anything.
What we're talking about is when the devs take that step beyond something quirky and entertaining, and use it to purely profit themselves and their buddies. And you can't compare it to something like EQ either. In EQ, if you have an uberswordofpwnage+5 given to you by a dev, great. In EQ as in other games, that sword doesn't have the resounding effect across the entire gameworld. In EVE, it does. Therefore, it has an almost gamebreaking effect for everyone who's not on their "buddy" list.
so i guess it's time to break it down to the wow forum comprehension level.
you go around stealing from every house in the neighborhood. one house at random, you get caught stealing. no one else can prove you were at any of the other houses, some houses don't even realize you've stolen from them. unless you're an idiot, you're not going to blurt out to the world that you've stolen from all the other houses. you'll be like "yeah, you caught me, sorry".
that is a direct comparison to the t20 thing. can you understand the comparison? honestly, i can't break it down any further.
all you know of, is what he was caught doing. the fact that they insist that is all he's done, and have essentially stated that he's basically an honest chap and wouldn't do that sort of thing and by the by we can't trace it anywho; coupled with no one else ever saw/knew anything.
add on all the oddities... the ship/player limit when the fight FINALLY comes to bod-land, keeping out 60% of the coailtion's cap fleet. the complex farming by bod and bod allies (in the south even). and just everything else.
so, which guild exactly in wow is kaplan spawning uber legendary gear for? what guild in eq are they killing off the raid bosses and letting the guys just loot the kills? i'd love to give a pvp example, if real pvp existed in those games.
if you're attempting viral, you are incredibly sucktastic at it. hope you didn't get paid for it.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
I just gave reason to never play any MMO
and you have a good point, most games mmo wise don't have eve's lvl of PvP
which is why this game is getting more attention for a cheating dev.
still I'm just surprized it took 3 years before people started getting in an unroar.
For the CCP apologist that said "this is a non-issue".....you're wrong.
It cost them paying accounts.
you lose accounts
but I still think they kinda have to right to. If they want to lose there funding let them.
it's been an uproar, because bod was/is so powerful.
but knowing that all the times GMs have hung out around BOD fights, and all the times people have ACCUSED gms of cheating because this or that happened and all of a sudden bod won... it just makes you wonder how many hundreds of billions of isk worth of goodies have been lost by honest folk fighting against bod, and some gm/staff member just decided to "poof" kill off folks, or whatever.
so, with the cheating coming to light. with nothing else being admitted to. and with the other accusations, which were tied in with the t20 bpo accusations, being ignored and bod folk not being punished for any of it... it fuels the fire for all those other times where people were labeled as tinfoilers, makes rational folks wonder if bod could've ever even taken a single system and held it, if not for years of cheating by gms/staff...
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Change is inevitable, except from vending machines.
Ofcourse BoB won't loose, ofcourse CCP will not loose many customers and so on... like a former corpmate of mine asked me on skype.
"Do you really belive that CCP will change anything because of your cancelation of your accounts ?" .. I answered .. "NO, I don't expect them to do so, however if 10000 or more actually did so then you got customer power."
I did cancel my accounts, had 2 and have been playing for 3 years and felt that it really pisses me off when someone cheats in a game and the way CCP did and still do threat it's paying customers it was about time to cancel my accounts.
The thing is that people still pay CCP even that they feel cheated in the hope that CCP will change their mind one day ... the truth is that as long as people still pay CCP then CCP will never change .. why should them ??? they can cheat and threat people like they want and people still seems to want to pay them there really is no need to change the behavior do you think ?
The only and best way to make CCP change their mind and do the right thing is to hurt them at the only place it will and that is their Wallet ... once 10 000 pilots suddenly disapeared from the game ... it would hurt them... and maybe even force them to do the right thing.
BoB doesnt directly control 1/4 of EvE 0.0 space. Between them and their pets they do, but 3 of the 4 complexes were directly in BoB space while the other was in the space controlled by a BoB pet.
Even using your BoB controls 1/4 of EVE space, however the results is shall we say improbable. The probability of 4 randomly placed complexes all ending up in the space owned by BoB and their pets is less then 1 in 20. This is below the threshold normally used for statistical certainty.
There is also the small matter of punishment. RA had 30+ pilots banned because of they used bugged 8/10 complexes. BoB systematically exploits bugged 10/10 complexes and Nothing.
BoB doesn’t directly control 1/4 of EvE 0.0 space. Between them and their pets they do, but 3 of the 4 complexes were directly in BoB space while the other was in the space controlled by a BoB pet. Well if 1/4 of space is owned by BoB and there pets dont that make it BoB space by default if they are pets?
Even using your “BoB controls 1/4 of EVE space”, however the results is shall we say improbable. The probability of 4 randomly placed complexes all ending up in the space owned by BoB and their pets is less then 1 in 20. This is below the threshold normally used for statistical certainty.
There is also the small matter of punishment. RA had 30+ pilots banned because of they used bugged 8/10 complexes. BoB systematically exploits bugged 10/10 complexes and… Nothing.
Problem with this theory of yours is the highlighted bit, The complexes are not placed randomly otherwise what you would get is a random mess. What they do is they look at the map and see where the current complexes are and see what locations could do with more complexes. Of course the things that help decide what locations need or dont need complexes are many such as where do people tend to hang out would it help with the node ballance if a complex was moxed to a different location for example.
Concerning the final paragraph concerning Ra i cant really comment on that as i dont really know enough about this to form a proper oppinion if you could Send some more detailed info to my inbox that would be a great help.