So, exactly how many orcs ganking everything in sight in Shire did we read about in the books? Exactly, none. Turbine can't really let the evil races run around in the free peoples starter zones and still claim its not against the lore. So they decided to let the people who wanted an evil character play as a monster in 1 zone at release and will add more zones for them to play in at a later time.
So, exactly how many orcs ganking everything in sight in Shire did we read about in the books? Exactly, none. Turbine can't really let the evil races run around in the free peoples starter zones and still claim its not against the lore. So they decided to let the people who wanted an evil character play as a monster in 1 zone at release and will add more zones for them to play in at a later time.
Who said anything about running around starting zones? In all seriousness, without my usual flames, true PvP could be implemented, with new evil races that CAN be built, without it detracting from new character's lifespans.
WoW (which I dont like very well =/ ) does this just fine. Whens the last time you've experienced a level 10 character getting wasted by 40+, unless that character SPECIFICALLY went looking for trouble. It happens, sure, but come on now.
NPC guards, specifically designed to keep high level orcs out, would work just fine for this purpose. This make-believe PvP "Monster Play" shit is a feeble attempt to satiate PvPers, and most importantly, get more money. Its just that simple.
Since there is pretty much only free peoples starter zones in the game right now (zones where orcs were almost never seen) where exactly would you like the evil races live? And just having guards there won't stop orcs from ganking low level free people.
I wonder if any of you dumbasses tossing that label around even have the slightest fucking clue what the word means.
And for Rolo specifically, if you can't see the difference between calling someone a rapist, and calling someone a carebear, then you... are probably beyond help.
Rapists. That's funny. I wonder if any of you dumbasses tossing that label around even have the slightest fucking clue what the word means. And for Rolo specifically, if you can't see the difference between calling someone a rapist, and calling someone a carebear, then you... are probably beyond help.
To be fair "rape" is one of those words we've all heard PvPers use, as in "LOL I raped u" so it shouldn't be a surprise if the victims of their "raping" call them "rapists".
Take it up with the PvP crowd if you want to get politically correct about it. I'm sure they'll treat the word with a little more respect if you ask them.
All I can see from this discussion is a whiney pvp'er that isn't getting his (or her) own way and swearing to make himself (or herself) sound that little more powerful.
Oh dear. I'm really scared.
IMHO I reckon that the game sounds like it's going in the right direction. SWG had pvp'ers and that resulted in forum flames that have never been bettered regarding class balances and so on. Then we have EVE where it is all PVP largely and we have allegations of cheating and misconduct, forum hacking and an acceptance that spying and betraying others is actually cool.
Well, it's not cool.
What's cool is working with people and beating the game. If EVE had a PvMP mode and some half decent PVE content people wouldn't be tearing into each other as they do now. What's the latest news from coldfront.net? Ah yes -
Population: 26597 Max (hour): 27662 Max (today): 27970
27,970 max number at the time of looking. A far cry from 32,000. EVE is bleeding to death.
Now look at SWG. Ok don't.
So don't tell me PvP is good mixed with PvE players. It simply isn't.
Maybe if they introduced dedicated PvP servers like some other MMOPRG's do so PvP'ers can blat each other then that's cool with me and that's the only place PvP should be. The PvP demands for balance should also not translate into PvE servers as has been proved time and again, it doesn't work.
But as that will not fit within the IP then good luck.
Originally posted by Gibbonici Originally posted by Coldmeat Rapists. That's funny. I wonder if any of you dumbasses tossing that label around even have the slightest fucking clue what the word means. And for Rolo specifically, if you can't see the difference between calling someone a rapist, and calling someone a carebear, then you... are probably beyond help.
To be fair "rape" is one of those words we've all heard PvPers use, as in "LOL I raped u" so it shouldn't be a surprise if the victims of their "raping" call them "rapists".
Take it up with the PvP crowd if you want to get politically correct about it. I'm sure they'll treat the word with a little more respect if you ask them.
Well, then to be truly fair we'll just throw both groups off a very tall building. Problem solved.
I like to PvP myself but I knew from the pre-Alpha stages and dev discussions that LOTRO was not going to have any PvP. Hell I was greatly surprised they added PvM styled PvP.
I like this title for it's PvE aspects and that is what I am mainly interested in until Warhammer rolls out. So no am not disappointed with it's lack of traditional PvP.
Then again I would of loved it if they included a evil faction even if they did not allow PvP. That is the only thing truly missing IMHO but maybe they might do that for an expansion as was done with City of Heros and City of Villains.
You don't need PvP to have a rival side in a MMO and you can create story's and quests to have each side trying to accomplish rival goals and still keep them segregated. Maybe they could have instanced BG's style areas where both sides would meet up and fight. That would be a good middle ground for an expansion.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
Originally posted by Dwigo Since there is pretty much only free peoples starter zones in the game right now (zones where orcs were almost never seen) where exactly would you like the evil races live? And just having guards there won't stop orcs from ganking low level free people.
I can think of many places where orcs could of started but you don't need to include PvP to have evil factions. You can still have a PvE game and still have evil factions.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
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Who said anything about running around starting zones? In all seriousness, without my usual flames, true PvP could be implemented, with new evil races that CAN be built, without it detracting from new character's lifespans.
WoW (which I dont like very well =/ ) does this just fine. Whens the last time you've experienced a level 10 character getting wasted by 40+, unless that character SPECIFICALLY went looking for trouble. It happens, sure, but come on now.
NPC guards, specifically designed to keep high level orcs out, would work just fine for this purpose. This make-believe PvP "Monster Play" shit is a feeble attempt to satiate PvPers, and most importantly, get more money. Its just that simple.
Rapists. That's funny.
I wonder if any of you dumbasses tossing that label around even have the slightest fucking clue what the word means.
And for Rolo specifically, if you can't see the difference between calling someone a rapist, and calling someone a carebear, then you... are probably beyond help.
Take it up with the PvP crowd if you want to get politically correct about it. I'm sure they'll treat the word with a little more respect if you ask them.
Oh dear. I'm really scared.
IMHO I reckon that the game sounds like it's going in the right direction. SWG had pvp'ers and that resulted in forum flames that have never been bettered regarding class balances and so on. Then we have EVE where it is all PVP largely and we have allegations of cheating and misconduct, forum hacking and an acceptance that spying and betraying others is actually cool.
Well, it's not cool.
What's cool is working with people and beating the game. If EVE had a PvMP mode and some half decent PVE content people wouldn't be tearing into each other as they do now. What's the latest news from coldfront.net? Ah yes -
Population: 26597
Max (hour): 27662
Max (today): 27970
27,970 max number at the time of looking. A far cry from 32,000. EVE is bleeding to death.
Now look at SWG. Ok don't.
So don't tell me PvP is good mixed with PvE players. It simply isn't.
Maybe if they introduced dedicated PvP servers like some other MMOPRG's do so PvP'ers can blat each other then that's cool with me and that's the only place PvP should be. The PvP demands for balance should also not translate into PvE servers as has been proved time and again, it doesn't work.
But as that will not fit within the IP then good luck.
Take it up with the PvP crowd if you want to get politically correct about it. I'm sure they'll treat the word with a little more respect if you ask them.
Well, then to be truly fair we'll just throw both groups off a very tall building. Problem solved.
I like to PvP myself but I knew from the pre-Alpha stages and dev discussions that LOTRO was not going to have any PvP. Hell I was greatly surprised they added PvM styled PvP.
I like this title for it's PvE aspects and that is what I am mainly interested in until Warhammer rolls out. So no am not disappointed with it's lack of traditional PvP.
Then again I would of loved it if they included a evil faction even if they did not allow PvP. That is the only thing truly missing IMHO but maybe they might do that for an expansion as was done with City of Heros and City of Villains.
You don't need PvP to have a rival side in a MMO and you can create story's and quests to have each side trying to accomplish rival goals and still keep them segregated. Maybe they could have instanced BG's style areas where both sides would meet up and fight. That would be a good middle ground for an expansion.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
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I can think of many places where orcs could of started but you don't need to include PvP to have evil factions. You can still have a PvE game and still have evil factions.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
Game(s) I Am Currently Playing:
GW2 (+LoL and BF3)