VG got hurt already and it went down. The reason why it is taking long for it to shut down is the handful of blinded gamers with extremely low threshold of gameplay taste. They don't know how much they are hurting this industry by beating an already dead horse.
VG needs to be shut down like AC2. You see, Turbine learnt a lot from the AC2 disaster and put that experience into making LOTRO. In the same way, having learnt from the VG disaster, Sigil should work on their true masterpiece instead of losing time with this buggy grindfest of boring crashware.
I don't get you bro, you have in your sig something like "BE A RESPONSIBLE GAMER, TODAY!" and most of the time you completly contridict yourself by being inresponseble with the load of crap you spew forth. Turbine is what? how long is that company making games? well? stop comparing someone with gaming experiance and a new company with a already established name and company which lead to years of constant experiance in running a company.Please don't bring crap like "well Brad already is years in the industrie, being in the industrie is still not the same as running a company as CEO, but a gueesse with the mindsets of some people they never will make it anywhere near being a CEO as they keep adressing "Brad" as if he's some sort of kid with a dream. You want to be responseble? then act like it and don't act like some kind of person that doesn't understand how it works. How responseble are words like "VG got hurt already and it went down" really have you even read your own words again. Did you read somewhere a announcement that Vanguard went down or is it down in your mind and you think that what you feel is the law. Be responseble and accept that some people like other things then you do. Be responseble get yourself into the gaming industry. And show use that you indeed have some valueble things to say instead of saying actualy nonsens. Really you have to agree that its not responseble to say things that are a lie. And saying that VG went down is clearly a big lie. Now i hope that you actualy are a responseble person and that you will take that responsibility serious and maybe you start to broaden your mind to really act responseble for once
, Sigil should work on their true masterpiece instead of losing time with this buggy grindfest of boring crashware.
Is it just me or does this poster sounds more and more like a proffesional movie critic for a tabloid newspaper? I swear I have seen this before in a review for Battlefield Earth with John Travolta. With slightly different wording .
Off now to bore myself grinding bugs in the crashwear people want to refer as vanguard.
I don't get you bro, you have in your sig something like "BE A RESPONSIBLE GAMER, TODAY!" and most of the time you completly contridict yourself by being inresponseble with the load of crap you spew forth. Turbine is what? how long is that company making games? well? stop comparing someone with gaming experiance and a new company with a already established name and company which lead to years of constant experiance in running a company.Please don't bring crap like "well Brad already is years in the industrie, being in the industrie is still not the same as running a company as CEO, but a gueesse with the mindsets of some people they never will make it anywhere near being a CEO as they keep adressing "Brad" as if he's some sort of kid with a dream. You want to be responseble? then act like it and don't act like some kind of person that doesn't understand how it works. How responseble are words like "VG got hurt already and it went down" really have you even read your own words again. Did you read somewhere a announcement that Vanguard went down or is it down in your mind and you think that what you feel is the law. Be responseble and accept that some people like other things then you do. Be responseble get yourself into the gaming industry. And show use that you indeed have some valueble things to say instead of saying actualy nonsens. Really you have to agree that its not responseble to say things that are a lie. And saying that VG went down is clearly a big lie. Now i hope that you actualy are a responseble person and that you will take that responsibility serious and maybe you start to broaden your mind to really act responseble for once
I don't know what your limits are, but 20K people total at peak times is pretty much "went down". Especially if we are talking about something worth $30 million bucks and 5 years, guess how deep the "went down" is.
Oh and Reklaw, others have requested this from you too, but man... paragraphs! They increase readability immensely.
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LOTR:O will definately draw players from all sorts of MMO's, including Vanguard. But that's not the key. The key is, how long will these players be satisfied with LOTR:O? Yes all new games are fun & exciting, but how long people stay has to do with the staying power, reroll fun, and whether there's a reason to stay playing a game once you cap out. We already know how easy it is to get to cap level in LOTR:O, so it will be interesting to see what all people will say about the game in 2-3 months. LOTR:O is a nice game, I agree, and I have recommended the game to some of my friends that can't play VG due to their comp system. But I just honestly don't know if the game will satisfy players enough for them to stay long term. So really, while I do agree LOTR:O will make a dent on VG and some other MMO's, it'll be interesting to see how it is after 2-3 months.
I've been in LotRO beta since November 2006, been playing it for almost 6 months now (woah , time flies) and i been through the same areas over and oover and over and over, and I simply enjoy them each time I play through them. Done every quest 20 times over , doesn't phase me, the game is just that well put together , in my opinion
Here is your cherry :
The World Tour reached 1+ million registers .
So your telling me that the game isnt even released yet and you have already covered the same areas over and over and done all the quests 20 times sounds like world of warcraft type of boring to me
So ive been playing vanguard for close to 6 months i havent seen 50 % of the game and theres 100,s of quests i havent even done everywhere i go. You can have Lord of linear gameplay am fine staying in vangaurd
I don't know what your limits are, but 20K people total at peak times is pretty much "went down". Especially if we are talking about something worth $30 million bucks and 5 years, guess how deep the "went down" is.
Oh and Reklaw, others have requested this from you too, but man... paragraphs! They increase readability immensely.
Just out of curiosity, where did you get the 20k number? Any reliable source? Please share.
I don't get you bro, you have in your sig something like "BE A RESPONSIBLE GAMER, TODAY!" and most of the time you completly contridict yourself by being inresponseble with the load of crap you spew forth. Turbine is what? how long is that company making games? well? stop comparing someone with gaming experiance and a new company with a already established name and company which lead to years of constant experiance in running a company.Please don't bring crap like "well Brad already is years in the industrie, being in the industrie is still not the same as running a company as CEO, but a gueesse with the mindsets of some people they never will make it anywhere near being a CEO as they keep adressing "Brad" as if he's some sort of kid with a dream. You want to be responseble? then act like it and don't act like some kind of person that doesn't understand how it works. How responseble are words like "VG got hurt already and it went down" really have you even read your own words again. Did you read somewhere a announcement that Vanguard went down or is it down in your mind and you think that what you feel is the law. Be responseble and accept that some people like other things then you do. Be responseble get yourself into the gaming industry. And show use that you indeed have some valueble things to say instead of saying actualy nonsens. Really you have to agree that its not responseble to say things that are a lie. And saying that VG went down is clearly a big lie. Now i hope that you actualy are a responseble person and that you will take that responsibility serious and maybe you start to broaden your mind to really act responseble for once
I don't know what your limits are, but 20K people total at peak times is pretty much "went down". Especially if we are talking about something worth $30 million bucks and 5 years, guess how deep the "went down" is.
Oh and Reklaw, others have requested this from you too, but man... paragraphs! They increase readability immensely.
I like to read that info where it state current date with those subnumbers you bring up if that is true then you are right, but quite frankly i have not seen those numbers officialy announced.
And who had requested "papagraphs" not sure maybe i have not read back on some reply's but can't recall it ever being mentioned to me, seen it at a couple of others. but like i said might not have looked at all my reply's. btw paragraphs are not really hard but talking on the phone (work) and still want to make and complete the sentences don't always combine well
In summary, this is the thread where people report active players from their servers at peak times. According to the reports, each server has 1k-1550k max. You can guess the rest by x13.
CONTRIBUTE INTO THE GAMING INDUSTRY! STOP PAYING FOR BORING COPYCATS, UNFINISHED BUGFESTS AND CRANKY JUNKWARE. BE A RESPONSIBLE GAMER!
sorry had to make it a real link, can't really copy/paste from this site, and a active link i more usefull and easyer, shall check it out............
In summary, this is the thread where people report active players from their servers at peak times. According to the reports, each server has 1k-1550k max. You can guess the rest by x13.
Well i'm back and have to say that from the viewpoint in which they discribe how they have calculated "active" i see the problem of decrease, but...yeah me with the buts I've been lvl 15 for over a month, know a few "ingame buddy's" who are lvl 4 and 5 and some -10 since release and they only are crafting and regular online ingame. So sure these are just a few persons in my list but i'm quite sure there are many people that especialy with a game like Vanguard don't play the game merly to lvl each day cause there is much more to it in Vanguard then that. Which is what the game makes it just the more fun for us.
So in a way like i said looking at growth as in lvl reach each day might look like its decreasing (well not might IT DOES LOOK THAT WAY , but we have to be aware for people like for example "me" that don't lvl everyday, but do other things in Vanguard. If we would find a list of actual current active players. So also people that don't level, but merly those that are regular online within Vanguard i would like to really see it. But this report only shows one aspect in how people can play the game. Sure making it valid but like i said only one sided. And as a responseble gamer like myself i would open up to see more sides of the coin
2. People who are playing an mmo, like it there, and are going nowhere.
3. People who are playing/have played an mmo but want something new instead.
4. People who play more than one mmo at a time.
Vanguard isn't getting many peeps from category 1. By definition they won't get any from category 2. Category 4 is a fairly small group. It's category 3 they are aiming at and counting on.
You see it in Brad's "talking points" that he apes in every interview. People wh have played WoW are are looking for more of a challenge. People who have become tired of TBC. He's targeting people looking to make a change.
That is why LoTR and AoC are going to be his ruin. Those games are going to take a lot of the very people Sigil is courting - gamers looking for something new.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
There are basically 4 categories of mmo players. 1. New ones. 2. People who are playing an mmo, like it there, and are going nowhere. 3. People who are playing/have played an mmo but want something new instead. 4. People who play more than one mmo at a time. Vanguard isn't getting many peeps from category 1. By definition they won't get any from category 2. Category 4 is a fairly small group. It's category 3 they are aiming at and counting on. You see it in Brad's "talking points" that he apes in every interview. People wh have played WoW are are looking for more of a challenge. People who have become tired of TBC. He's targeting people looking to make a change. That is why LoTR and AoC are going to be his ruin. Those games are going to take a lot of the very people Sigil is courting - gamers looking for something new.
You forget the peopel that actualy have been in beta for months and still are going with Vanguard, sure there many the other way aroud but that the perfect thing to do.
Why people are so small-mined to keep thinking LotrO will grab players away, thats a myth.
People will always play a game that is fun to them, If Vanguard isn't fun they move on to a game that is fun for them. What so strange about that. Thats pure logic and everyone will do so, If people encounter many bugs in a game they will leave the game to find themselfs a better game. Are people looking for a different kind of fun then Vanguard can give them then great we all have choices and getting more choices this coming year to find the right game for each. Still just because LotrO and Vanguard are in the same genre still does not make the games the same. They have totaly different atmosfeer as in LotrO is like "you get in that happy mood" Vanguard is somewhat darker which in my gaming habbit atracts me more.
Truly had fun with LotrO and it was a awesome experiance especialy on their forums and how they respond towards the public. Well they had a pro doing that job and those working on the game did what they needed to "do work at the game". Thats what you get when a game is being developed by a company with years of business experiance unlike Sigil which still is a new company regardless all the experiance they brought with them, running a company is still something else, and yes they might have done better. But company's needs years and years to develop themselfs into oiled machines, especialy such industrie like the gaming industry. just look at whats most succesfull then look at their track record. Should explain it all. Sigil has no track record other then having their first mmorpg released which was over-hyped "like any person would do was it his or her company" especialy when those $$$$ are involded you have to regardless what make a "hype".
With the release of LoTRO, VSoH will take a big hit. The games are both very similar to the WoW cookie cutter MMOs. Both very impressive graphics a lot of the same features. VSoH is going to have to do something special to recover from the blow it takes from LoTRO. I've played both, and both seem like the exact same game to me. If I had to choose I think I'd go with LoTRO because it runs more smooth and I believe is cheaper per month. However, they are very similar. Hey, just my opinion....what do you think? Bring on the flames!
I dont like Vanguard as well, but LoTRO will certainly not make Vanguard take a plunge faster. While LoTRO is 1000 times more stable than Vanguard, LoTRO is certainly nothing to scream home about. Just another cookie cutter fantasy MMO with nothing new to offer.
Agreed. LOTRO is not what I would consider a game killer.
With the release of LoTRO, VSoH will take a big hit. The games are both very similar to the WoW cookie cutter MMOs. Both very impressive graphics a lot of the same features. VSoH is going to have to do something special to recover from the blow it takes from LoTRO. I've played both, and both seem like the exact same game to me. If I had to choose I think I'd go with LoTRO because it runs more smooth and I believe is cheaper per month. However, they are very similar. Hey, just my opinion....what do you think? Bring on the flames!
I dont like Vanguard as well, but LoTRO will certainly not make Vanguard take a plunge faster. While LoTRO is 1000 times more stable than Vanguard, LoTRO is certainly nothing to scream home about. Just another cookie cutter fantasy MMO with nothing new to offer.
Agreed. LOTRO is not what I would consider a game killer.
In spite, LOTRO being just, IMO (!) a stable, superficial, with limited content good looking game, Lord of the Rings is a strong name and will pull players. Humans are some time like sheep, if there is a clear trend they are inclined to follow ("herd").
There are basically 4 categories of mmo players. 1. New ones. 2. People who are playing an mmo, like it there, and are going nowhere. 3. People who are playing/have played an mmo but want something new instead. 4. People who play more than one mmo at a time. Vanguard isn't getting many peeps from category 1. By definition they won't get any from category 2. Category 4 is a fairly small group. It's category 3 they are aiming at and counting on. You see it in Brad's "talking points" that he apes in every interview. People wh have played WoW are are looking for more of a challenge. People who have become tired of TBC. He's targeting people looking to make a change. That is why LoTR and AoC are going to be his ruin. Those games are going to take a lot of the very people Sigil is courting - gamers looking for something new.
You forget the peopel that actualy have been in beta for months and still are going with Vanguard, sure there many the other way aroud but that the perfect thing to do.
Why people are so small-mined to keep thinking LotrO will grab players away, thats a myth.
People will always play a game that is fun to them, If Vanguard isn't fun they move on to a game that is fun for them. What so strange about that. Thats pure logic and everyone will do so, If people encounter many bugs in a game they will leave the game to find themselfs a better game. Are people looking for a different kind of fun then Vanguard can give them then great we all have choices and getting more choices this coming year to find the right game for each. Still just because LotrO and Vanguard are in the same genre still does not make the games the same. They have totaly different atmosfeer as in LotrO is like "you get in that happy mood" Vanguard is somewhat darker which in my gaming habbit atracts me more.
Truly had fun with LotrO and it was a awesome experiance especialy on their forums and how they respond towards the public. Well they had a pro doing that job and those working on the game did what they needed to "do work at the game". Thats what you get when a game is being developed by a company with years of business experiance unlike Sigil which still is a new company regardless all the experiance they brought with them, running a company is still something else, and yes they might have done better. But company's needs years and years to develop themselfs into oiled machines, especialy such industrie like the gaming industry. just look at whats most succesfull then look at their track record. Should explain it all. Sigil has no track record other then having their first mmorpg released which was over-hyped "like any person would do was it his or her company" especialy when those $$$$ are involded you have to regardless what make a "hype".
You've missed Amathe's point I believe. Sigil hinged a lot of Vanguard's potential success on the criteria that players were tired of WoW, and wanted something different. Their mistake was, they assumed and pretty much said Vanguard would be the only triple A MMO release of 2007, besides Burning Crusades. So now you have Brad still going on about Vanguard's imminent success when people tire of Burning Crusades. You have past examples of Brad calling AoC a niche game, etc.
Right now, Vanguard's situation is IDEAL. It is -the- only new MMO out that was on most players radar for the year. It doesn't get any better for Vanguard during this period right now based on the fact that Sigil sought to draw upon players "looking for something different."
"Different" is anything, not just Vanguard. It doesn't really matter WHAT you think of LOTRO, so long as it's an option it'll take away from Vanguard. Not just it's current population, but potential population as well. Age of Conan, Warhammer, Tabula Rasa and whatever else will further thin things out for Vanguard.
This wouldn't be as much a problem if like Amathe said, Vanguard was actually drawing upon "new" players, but since Sigil made the mistake of counting on WoW as some easy, introductory MMO that would feed it bored people, Vanguard isn't much an accessible game at all to folks new to the genre.
sorry had to make it a real link, can't really copy/paste from this site, and a active link i more usefull and easyer, shall check it out............
In summary, this is the thread where people report active players from their servers at peak times. According to the reports, each server has 1k-1550k max. You can guess the rest by x13.
Well i'm back and have to say that from the viewpoint in which they discribe how they have calculated "active" i see the problem of decrease, but...yeah me with the buts I've been lvl 15 for over a month, know a few "ingame buddy's" who are lvl 4 and 5 and some -10 since release and they only are crafting and regular online ingame. So sure these are just a few persons in my list but i'm quite sure there are many people that especialy with a game like Vanguard don't play the game merly to lvl each day cause there is much more to it in Vanguard then that. Which is what the game makes it just the more fun for us.
So in a way like i said looking at growth as in lvl reach each day might look like its decreasing (well not might IT DOES LOOK THAT WAY , but we have to be aware for people like for example "me" that don't lvl everyday, but do other things in Vanguard. If we would find a list of actual current active players. So also people that don't level, but merly those that are regular online within Vanguard i would like to really see it. But this report only shows one aspect in how people can play the game. Sure making it valid but like i said only one sided. And as a responseble gamer like myself i would open up to see more sides of the coin
Level progression and exp requirements are not linear, the higher you get the more difficult it is to level in the same amount of time.
So from that perspective the trend should decrease naturally. However, an influx of new players would increase or at least stable the level progression per day, but it doesnt, as it seems.
In spite, LOTRO being just, IMO (!) a stable, superficial, with limited content good looking game, Lord of the Rings is a strong name and will pull players. Humans are some time like sheep, if there is a clear trend they are inclined to follow ("herd").
Or, they are sometimes like cash cows that are eager to be milked over everything thrown at them, even over unfinished, buggy, generic grindfests of boring crashwares.
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In spite, LOTRO being just, IMO (!) a stable, superficial, with limited content good looking game, Lord of the Rings is a strong name and will pull players. Humans are some time like sheep, if there is a clear trend they are inclined to follow ("herd").
Or, they are sometimes like cash cows that are eager to be milked over everything thrown at them, even over unfinished, buggy, generic grindfests of boring crashwares.
Yeah imagine people playing unfinished, buggy, generic grindfests of boring crashwares. Thats really pathetic, btw what games are you refuring to?.
For starters you can not be talking about Vanguard , Nah you can't else you would have to really re-educate yourself in understanding what unfinished, buggy, generic grindfests of boring crashwares really means
But like i said i think you smarter then that so what games are you talking about?
In summary, this is the thread where people report active players from their servers at peak times. According to the reports, each server has 1k-1550k max. You can guess the rest by x13.
Did you just throw us that link without think or reading what Meritt actually says?
You'd approve he saying the pop is low, but you approve that the way he collected his statistc shows the playerbase is increasing but slow. Or you just take what you seem fit of his words and discard the rest.
And I can assure that not everyone plays during peak times. So peaking at 1500 during a specifik time/day is not that days total.
But what you are proving, that Vanguard is popular?
I don't know what your limits are, but 20K people total at peak times is pretty much "went down". Especially if we are talking about something worth $30 million bucks and 5 years, guess how deep the "went down" is.
Oh and Reklaw, others have requested this from you too, but man... paragraphs! They increase readability immensely.
Just out of curiosity, where did you get the 20k number? Any reliable source? Please share.
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Is it just me or does this poster sounds more and more like a proffesional movie critic for a tabloid newspaper? I swear I have seen this before in a review for Battlefield Earth with John Travolta. With slightly different wording .
Off now to bore myself grinding bugs in the crashwear people want to refer as vanguard.
Oh and Reklaw, others have requested this from you too, but man... paragraphs! They increase readability immensely.
CONTRIBUTE INTO THE GAMING INDUSTRY! STOP PAYING FOR BORING COPYCATS, UNFINISHED BUGFESTS AND CRANKY JUNKWARE. BE A RESPONSIBLE GAMER!
Here is your cherry :
The World Tour reached 1+ million registers .
So your telling me that the game isnt even released yet and you have already covered the same areas over and over and done all the quests 20 times sounds like world of warcraft type of boring to me
So ive been playing vanguard for close to 6 months i havent seen 50 % of the game and theres 100,s of quests i havent even done everywhere i go. You can have Lord of linear gameplay am fine staying in vangaurd
Oh and Reklaw, others have requested this from you too, but man... paragraphs! They increase readability immensely.
I like to read that info where it state current date with those subnumbers you bring up if that is true then you are right, but quite frankly i have not seen those numbers officialy announced.
And who had requested "papagraphs" not sure maybe i have not read back on some reply's but can't recall it ever being mentioned to me, seen it at a couple of others. but like i said might not have looked at all my reply's. btw paragraphs are not really hard but talking on the phone (work) and still want to make and complete the sentences don't always combine well
In summary, this is the thread where people report active players from their servers at peak times. According to the reports, each server has 1k-1550k max. You can guess the rest by x13.
CONTRIBUTE INTO THE GAMING INDUSTRY! STOP PAYING FOR BORING COPYCATS, UNFINISHED BUGFESTS AND CRANKY JUNKWARE. BE A RESPONSIBLE GAMER!
http://www.silkyvenom.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18166&page=3
sorry had to make it a real link, can't really copy/paste from this site, and a active link i more usefull and easyer, shall check it out............
In summary, this is the thread where people report active players from their servers at peak times. According to the reports, each server has 1k-1550k max. You can guess the rest by x13.
Well i'm back and have to say that from the viewpoint in which they discribe how they have calculated "active" i see the problem of decrease, but...yeah me with the buts
I've been lvl 15 for over a month, know a few "ingame buddy's" who are lvl 4 and 5 and some -10 since release and they only are crafting and regular online ingame. So sure these are just a few persons in my list but i'm quite sure there are many people that especialy with a game like Vanguard don't play the game merly to lvl each day cause there is much more to it in Vanguard then that. Which is what the game makes it just the more fun for us.
So in a way like i said looking at growth as in lvl reach each day might look like its decreasing (well not might IT DOES LOOK THAT WAY
, but we have to be aware for people like for example "me" that don't lvl everyday, but do other things in Vanguard. If we would find a list of actual current active players. So also people that don't level, but merly those that are regular online within Vanguard i would like to really see it. But this report only shows one aspect in how people can play the game. Sure making it valid but like i said only one sided. And as a responseble gamer like myself i would open up to see more sides of the coin 
There are basically 4 categories of mmo players.
1. New ones.
2. People who are playing an mmo, like it there, and are going nowhere.
3. People who are playing/have played an mmo but want something new instead.
4. People who play more than one mmo at a time.
Vanguard isn't getting many peeps from category 1. By definition they won't get any from category 2. Category 4 is a fairly small group. It's category 3 they are aiming at and counting on.
You see it in Brad's "talking points" that he apes in every interview. People wh have played WoW are are looking for more of a challenge. People who have become tired of TBC. He's targeting people looking to make a change.
That is why LoTR and AoC are going to be his ruin. Those games are going to take a lot of the very people Sigil is courting - gamers looking for something new.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
You forget the peopel that actualy have been in beta for months and still are going with Vanguard, sure there many the other way aroud but that the perfect thing to do.
Why people are so small-mined to keep thinking LotrO will grab players away, thats a myth.
People will always play a game that is fun to them, If Vanguard isn't fun they move on to a game that is fun for them. What so strange about that. Thats pure logic and everyone will do so, If people encounter many bugs in a game they will leave the game to find themselfs a better game. Are people looking for a different kind of fun then Vanguard can give them then great we all have choices and getting more choices this coming year to find the right game for each. Still just because LotrO and Vanguard are in the same genre still does not make the games the same. They have totaly different atmosfeer as in LotrO is like "you get in that happy mood" Vanguard is somewhat darker which in my gaming habbit atracts me more.
Truly had fun with LotrO and it was a awesome experiance especialy on their forums and how they respond towards the public. Well they had a pro doing that job and those working on the game did what they needed to "do work at the game". Thats what you get when a game is being developed by a company with years of business experiance unlike Sigil which still is a new company regardless all the experiance they brought with them, running a company is still something else, and yes they might have done better. But company's needs years and years to develop themselfs into oiled machines, especialy such industrie like the gaming industry. just look at whats most succesfull then look at their track record. Should explain it all. Sigil has no track record other then having their first mmorpg released which was over-hyped "like any person would do was it his or her company" especialy when those $$$$ are involded you have to regardless what make a "hype".
I dont like Vanguard as well, but LoTRO will certainly not make Vanguard take a plunge faster. While LoTRO is 1000 times more stable than Vanguard, LoTRO is certainly nothing to scream home about. Just another cookie cutter fantasy MMO with nothing new to offer.
Agreed. LOTRO is not what I would consider a game killer.
I dont like Vanguard as well, but LoTRO will certainly not make Vanguard take a plunge faster. While LoTRO is 1000 times more stable than Vanguard, LoTRO is certainly nothing to scream home about. Just another cookie cutter fantasy MMO with nothing new to offer.
Agreed. LOTRO is not what I would consider a game killer.
In spite, LOTRO being just, IMO (!) a stable, superficial, with limited content good looking game, Lord of the Rings is a strong name and will pull players. Humans are some time like sheep, if there is a clear trend they are inclined to follow ("herd").
You forget the peopel that actualy have been in beta for months and still are going with Vanguard, sure there many the other way aroud but that the perfect thing to do.
Why people are so small-mined to keep thinking LotrO will grab players away, thats a myth.
People will always play a game that is fun to them, If Vanguard isn't fun they move on to a game that is fun for them. What so strange about that. Thats pure logic and everyone will do so, If people encounter many bugs in a game they will leave the game to find themselfs a better game. Are people looking for a different kind of fun then Vanguard can give them then great we all have choices and getting more choices this coming year to find the right game for each. Still just because LotrO and Vanguard are in the same genre still does not make the games the same. They have totaly different atmosfeer as in LotrO is like "you get in that happy mood" Vanguard is somewhat darker which in my gaming habbit atracts me more.
Truly had fun with LotrO and it was a awesome experiance especialy on their forums and how they respond towards the public. Well they had a pro doing that job and those working on the game did what they needed to "do work at the game". Thats what you get when a game is being developed by a company with years of business experiance unlike Sigil which still is a new company regardless all the experiance they brought with them, running a company is still something else, and yes they might have done better. But company's needs years and years to develop themselfs into oiled machines, especialy such industrie like the gaming industry. just look at whats most succesfull then look at their track record. Should explain it all. Sigil has no track record other then having their first mmorpg released which was over-hyped "like any person would do was it his or her company" especialy when those $$$$ are involded you have to regardless what make a "hype".
You've missed Amathe's point I believe. Sigil hinged a lot of Vanguard's potential success on the criteria that players were tired of WoW, and wanted something different. Their mistake was, they assumed and pretty much said Vanguard would be the only triple A MMO release of 2007, besides Burning Crusades. So now you have Brad still going on about Vanguard's imminent success when people tire of Burning Crusades. You have past examples of Brad calling AoC a niche game, etc.Right now, Vanguard's situation is IDEAL. It is -the- only new MMO out that was on most players radar for the year. It doesn't get any better for Vanguard during this period right now based on the fact that Sigil sought to draw upon players "looking for something different."
"Different" is anything, not just Vanguard. It doesn't really matter WHAT you think of LOTRO, so long as it's an option it'll take away from Vanguard. Not just it's current population, but potential population as well. Age of Conan, Warhammer, Tabula Rasa and whatever else will further thin things out for Vanguard.
This wouldn't be as much a problem if like Amathe said, Vanguard was actually drawing upon "new" players, but since Sigil made the mistake of counting on WoW as some easy, introductory MMO that would feed it bored people, Vanguard isn't much an accessible game at all to folks new to the genre.
http://www.silkyvenom.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18166&page=3
sorry had to make it a real link, can't really copy/paste from this site, and a active link i more usefull and easyer, shall check it out............
In summary, this is the thread where people report active players from their servers at peak times. According to the reports, each server has 1k-1550k max. You can guess the rest by x13.
Well i'm back and have to say that from the viewpoint in which they discribe how they have calculated "active" i see the problem of decrease, but...yeah me with the buts
I've been lvl 15 for over a month, know a few "ingame buddy's" who are lvl 4 and 5 and some -10 since release and they only are crafting and regular online ingame. So sure these are just a few persons in my list but i'm quite sure there are many people that especialy with a game like Vanguard don't play the game merly to lvl each day cause there is much more to it in Vanguard then that. Which is what the game makes it just the more fun for us.
So in a way like i said looking at growth as in lvl reach each day might look like its decreasing (well not might IT DOES LOOK THAT WAY
, but we have to be aware for people like for example "me" that don't lvl everyday, but do other things in Vanguard. If we would find a list of actual current active players. So also people that don't level, but merly those that are regular online within Vanguard i would like to really see it. But this report only shows one aspect in how people can play the game. Sure making it valid but like i said only one sided. And as a responseble gamer like myself i would open up to see more sides of the coin 
Level progression and exp requirements are not linear, the higher you get the more difficult it is to level in the same amount of time.
So from that perspective the trend should decrease naturally. However, an influx of new players would increase or at least stable the level progression per day, but it doesnt, as it seems.
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Yeah imagine people playing unfinished, buggy, generic grindfests of boring crashwares. Thats really pathetic, btw what games are you refuring to?.
For starters you can not be talking about Vanguard , Nah you can't else you would have to really re-educate yourself in understanding what unfinished, buggy, generic grindfests of boring crashwares really means
But like i said i think you smarter then that so what games are you talking about?
You'd approve he saying the pop is low, but you approve that the way he collected his statistc shows the playerbase is increasing but slow. Or you just take what you seem fit of his words and discard the rest.
And I can assure that not everyone plays during peak times. So peaking at 1500 during a specifik time/day is not that days total.
But what you are proving, that Vanguard is popular?
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
The force is strong with this one.