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SOE knows what you like... You don't!
And don't forget... I am forcing you to read this!
By the way , heres a direct cut and paste qoute from the devs-showing what they did say.april 11.
"We will be exhaustively processing logs to verify which characters have been involved. Any players that fail to tell us everything they know about the exploit and its abuse will be permanently banned. Their 'alts' are also likely to be banned. If you're concerned that this might include your account(s), you should contact Kanoth now!
If you have personally knowingly exploited this bug and are open and honest with us concerning your abuse of it before we confirm it through processing the logs then you'll probably get away with a crucifixion or in some cases a conventional suspension. "
Notice there is NO blanket statement that they definately will NOT be banned.AND in fact only like 1/10 of those caught were banned.AND also notice the requirements for having a chance to NOT be banned.
Also the opening part, which clearly states they already know some people who are ALREADY confirmed as using this exploit,before they even make this post.This below part is the very first paragraph in their post.
"It has come to our attention that several players have been exploiting a previously unreported bug relating to disarm for skill gain. We believe the bug to have been introduced about a week ago and it is now clear that some players have known about it, failed to report it and been exploiting it for several days. "
Now considering how the main crier here and his buddies had been acting in game since at least sept of last year,anyone want to place a bet on wether or not the RV devs had already confirmed these "players" as exploiting before they even put this message up on the boards .
So as usual, where the OP is concerned, hes dead wrong again. And his attempt to make you think the dev promised him(or anyone esle) any blanket immunity for his transgression is pure untrue obfuscation on his part.
So you admit to using an exploit. It doesn't matter if anyone else has done that BTW.
Now you want to use people for a petition for your little pet issue. You think that people here are tools? Stop exploiting games and people.
You dont seem to understand, much more then 32 people used this bug, I would go as far to say as every active barbarian at the time, due to the extreme activity and gains with no punishment to the prior bug which was damn near identical it wasnt even really seen as a exploit and even if it was hardly a punishable bug, and members of this faction felt so wronged they didnt so much as want a advantage but even the score, RV's shoddy game production values and player base bias.
im not bothering to much ive sent the devs a email about them lying, if they did and it wasnt some kind of communication mistake I will move on to my next phase and that will be emailing for a refund, and if that doesnt work considering they all work from home and KFR lives in my city I will go to his place of buisness his home and ask for a complete refund, if he wants to say I screwed you over and I lied he can do it to my face like a man.
I signed the petition but I think im just about done, I doubt I will get my account reinstated nor do I think I would wish to want to play this game ran by liars which are supposed to be on the cutting edge of community relations.
fortunately I am in the gaming buisness, RV wasnt doing good as it is, this may just be the straw that kills the camel.
What you don't understand is that I don't care if everyone was doing it and only a couple of people got caught and banned for it.You dont seem to understand, much more then 32 people used this bug, I would go as far to say as every active barbarian at the time, due to the extreme activity and gains with no punishment to the prior bug which was damn near identical it wasnt even really seen as a exploit and even if it was hardly a punishable bug, and members of this faction felt so wronged they didnt so much as want a advantage but even the score, RV's shoddy game production values and player base bias.
im not bothering to much ive sent the devs a email about them lying, if they did and it wasnt some kind of communication mistake I will move on to my next phase and that will be emailing for a refund, and if that doesnt work considering they all work from home and KFR lives in my city I will go to his place of buisness his home and ask for a complete refund, if he wants to say I screwed you over and I lied he can do it to my face like a man.
I signed the petition but I think im just about done, I doubt I will get my account reinstated nor do I think I would wish to want to play this game ran by liars which are supposed to be on the cutting edge of community relations.
fortunately I am in the gaming buisness, RV wasnt doing good as it is, this may just be the straw that kills the camel.
What you don't understand is that I don't care if everyone was doing it and only a couple of people got caught and banned for it.But see thats the thing, its not that only a couple of people got caught, from what i understand about 95% of the players that abused it confessed to it as asked by the devs, and that number excalates to above 40 members roman/barb alike. So its not like some got away with it because they didnt know, because the logs showed them who did and who didnt do it.
Im not going to sit here and say it is completely wrong for the devs wanting to punish the players who did do this, But for exactly what the bug consisted of was as simple as happening as an accident... Yes I know it does not give reason to exploit it, but if you are a player in RV im sure you would come to understand why SOO many people were in on this.
Im also not going to sit in Phils defense here and say he should be free and clear because of the past he has, But I still feel a perma ban in my opionion was not in favor.
I along with many others have had and still do have High hopes for RV, and many of you readers know that becuase i always post about the game in the exact way i see it, weither it be a pro or con.
Last but not least, I do hope that the perma banned accounts are thought about a bit more, and possibly turned into a few month suspension, as a strick warning. What happens from here is out of anyone hands now...
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"Vox Populi, Vox Deorum"
Hahhahahaha, theres that "social" grace ive come to expect from alot of Roma Victor players.Its no wonder the community is such a growing thriving one.
Though on one thing your right, many more should have been perma banned.But that hardly changes the fact that those who actually were, deserved to be.
It just means though, that if you had any real concept of right and wrong, you'd be asking that others be banned for their offenses, instead of asking that they go lighter on the few they actually punished correctly.
This is exactly right. This is exactly out of the exploiter's playbook. Normally they'd be pleading their case and trying to drum up support in the IRC channel, but they were banned from that for misbehaving before they ever got banned from the game. The last guy who got banned (another chronic exploiter) tried to assume the mantle of Martyr by claiming "I got banned but I won't snitch on my friends" after he got smacked on the peepee for using hacked guild forum passwords. Phil gets to say "I don' t care that I got banned, but I want justice!" Go ahead, be a defender of freedom and fight for justice and demand an explanation.
RedBedlam's obligation to provide you with explanations and justification for their decisions ended when you exploited. Move along.
A little bird told me that the people banned not only used the exploit to the extreme, but when it was discovered, they actively campaigned in game to try and persuade all other barbarians not to fess up to the devs - a sort of planned, collective silence.
Any truth to this?
extreme usage of it? no.
yeah, that explains it, thanks.
no it does't... I can name at least 5 others who did the same and got away with a temp ban.
I assume they mean when we were keeping silent about the bug in the game itsself, telling people to shut up about it, if this is the case, then they've mistaken it , in the game we were trying to keep it from the romans, so they wouldn't find out and crush us even more in battle.
we assumed the nervii and tuatha talked to the romans and therefore started killing people from those tribes...
Most likely because thiers no monthly fee, so they targeted thoose that verm least (I think I vermed like a pound a year ago and thats it), they probally figure it will save money.
but this isnt a mmo, the average counterstrike server holds a larger more active playerbase.
Ah ok, that makes sense. Get rid of the ones that don't feed their coffers by purchasing ingame coin via their item shop designed revenue system. For a moment I was gonna give RedBedlam credit for being principled. Yeah, that makes sense... Believing one of the banned clowns trying to play victim.
SOE knows what you like... You don't!
And don't forget... I am forcing you to read this!
considering I harldy ever VERMed.... maybe.
Yarr, I am Lordbaldur (Capito in um... game).
First of all, I'd like to say o/ and :WINK: to Philjwill for bringing this issue up with the intellegent community of mmorpg.com
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I was not banned in this whole thing, indeed I wasn't even playing at the time this howible exploit was in use. Or before. Or after. Or ever again, probably. I used to play way back, a little in beta and after release though. I know almost everything about everyone and I'm sure I've been allied to everyone at one point or another, mostly through the romavictor irc channel I've met alot of different people that a game such as RV attracts. From sociopaths to depressed but still nice people, from young boys with no self esteem, I've talked to one gangster, one detroiter, a few fellow EVE players (yarr) 2 mexicans and a chinaman. And to be honest I think all of them hated me at one point or another, I'd say about 90% of them still do. Well, with such a mix of people everything went to hell. No one who has been playing RV from release are sane. They're all crazies willing to go to any lengths to win. Steal your account, get you banned, spawncamp you for hours and hours, threats, try to demolarize you, try to make you feel uncomfortable, control people. It's crazy. My point is, RV is the source of all evil. Devs, please delete the code, ban all of the old players, make another game and bring in new n00bz not corrupted by the evil that is RV. I've never seen such bad sportsmanship in any game, it's rotten. Jesus christ the game attracts nutters.
BAN THEM ALL.
A fine difference. I'm sorry you put yourself in that situation.
Im glad some of you were banned for your behavior, I hope many more of your type will be banned in the future.I look forward to reading the posts they will undoubtedly cry out on the forum when they are.
Just like i look forward to the laugh i get reading yours.
I dont doubt a sizable portion of the player base agrees with you.
I'm damn suprised ALL of those who were punished in ANY way for their misdeeds are not here spouting out how "they too were wronged".
What were there circa 70 of them ? Whats that, like 1/5 or more of the current active player base ?That says a real lot, and none of it good.
AND just reinforces what i think of too many of that player base, and of course you.
But thanks for coming here and crying some more, it was funny , again.
And i do so enjoy laughing at your little tantrums and bad behavior.
well everyone knows i think the game is poorly made with poor effort at development but i say here that i stand up and cheer for RB who has taken a bold step.
This gains my respect because if you know you are exploiting then you deserve a ban,simple as that.Turbine did something similar when they banned like 50 accounts in AC2 and like RV even a token amount of accounts banned takes some thinking because of the very low player bases.
So hats off to RB on this one.
OMG. Carebear RV fanbois are patting themselves on the back because 50% of the playerbase being banned (36 peeps). I actually laughed when someone said 70 people was banned and that was like 1/7 of the playerbase. Get real. To be honest I can't understand how the people that got banned actually can be arsed to play. But they seem to enjoy it, so I am in NO POSITION to take their fun away. Thus I have done what I can for them.
I wonder if you laughed as hard i did.
Reading comprehension is hard for some people i guess.
But even "normal" lack of comprehension doesnt really go far enough to explain how you confused the words "punished in any way" with the word "banned".Knee jerk emotional reacion does though,hence why i laughed SOOOOOO hard at the above post.
Players who get punished by a Game dev company = dime a dozen
Players who whine and cry about their punishments =priceless.
People who defend those punished becuase they are the same type of harmful "player" to games = beyond priceless.
All of the above........ damn funny.Damn funny indeed.
I suggest you ask them, not me. it seems the only ones who post here are the people who seem not to like me in game, duncan, zakke, kemarik etc.
When something good happens, you shout it from the rooftops, when something bad happens, you are annoyed but don't shout about it...
this kind of indicates that us getting bad was a bad thing, right?
who are you in the community anyway, having never met you ingame or seen you on the forums, I find it hard to believe you have a valid opinion of me.
Dont you ever get tired of being wrong ?
Youve met me in game, and on the official forums.
And I'm anything BUT a fanboy of this game.I dont even reccomend it to people.Instead i tell them at best "wait and see on this one".
Did i mention I really do find your "im the poor poor victim" posts extremely funny.They make me laugh almost as much as Vanguard Dev posts.Almost.
Im probably gonna miss them someday.But happily i know you need this attention ,so you wont stop for sometime yet.
if I've met you in gamùe, who are you?
I never said you were a fanboy.
I am a victim, but I certainly do have cash to spare
Hhahahahahah, oh goody !
Part of todays entertainment has arrived.
As for who i am, i am the same person here i am on the official forums.Now i do believe even you can handle such a simple task as finding my posts there.
As for the fanbois statement ,look at your little buddies post above.That reply was too him.
Personally , i hope you resub.I know you'll get yourself banned yet agian in time.And ill get an even bigger laugh then.
Plus i cant think of a dev team who more deserves to learn the hard way about your type,than the Roma team which has put up with you and yours for far too long already.