Imo, Lotro is the evidence that the only reason WoW is ranked so low is because of its popularity, which many people hate. You can't praise Lotro and and say bad things about WoW with a straigth face, Lotro ripped so many things from WoW. If you played WoW, you played Lotro.
Yea and WOW ripped so many things from EQ who ripped from UO who ripped from Muds, yadda, yadda.
This is all quite silly to be honest, so are the LOTRO fans going to replace WOW's as being the most annoying now?
Im done with WoW and can't wait for another mmo to take over but still: WoW > LOTRO by alot + MMORPG.coms' rankings = crap The only reason shitty games gets ranked high here is because the ppl who are playing those games get bored and going on mmorpg.com to look for better games.
Translation:
Oh noes my game doesn’t get a high ranking! It must be the rankings fault and not my bad taste in games, yah that’s the ticket.
A sad and disturbing trend these days is that no matter what field you look at it seems the thing to do is if the facts don’t agree with your world view you ignore the facts.
Oh yes how true. Just how the facts that over 8 million people play wow, oh i forgot ignore the facts. Its a sad disturbing world we live in when this fact is known but ignored by all the haters and flamers.
Carry on haters. maybe ur game can achive the level of sucess bilzzard has achived with EVERY SINGLE TITLE they have released.
Imo, Lotro is the evidence that the only reason WoW is ranked so low is because of its popularity, which many people hate. You can't praise Lotro and and say bad things about WoW with a straigth face, Lotro ripped so many things from WoW. If you played WoW, you played Lotro.
So lets see both are quest based games, both have a similar UI system that is in most MMO games, both are primarily PVE games So yeah they are just identical.
lets fix that list:
Same quest experience, and I mean EXACTLY the same quest experience
exact same combat (and no, don't even bother bringing up that little gimmick)
Same pointless crafting experience.
Standard classes, not a slight bit of originality.
Combat length is exactly the same
And most importantly, both go for the exact same casual experience.
It is even mentioned they are targeting WoW and are directly competing with WoW for the same audience. you can't have a different game if your going for the exact same audience.
In WoW, you run around doing quests and doing an instance every now and then. In Lotro, you run around doing quests and doing an instance every now and then. both in a casual enviroment. what a world of difference (no pun)
And there isn't more to mention, because there simply isn't more to the game aside from small things (ohh! emotes! omg! a music minigame!)
Imo, Lotro is the evidence that the only reason WoW is ranked so low is because of its popularity, which many people hate. You can't praise Lotro and and say bad things about WoW with a straigth face, Lotro ripped so many things from WoW. If you played WoW, you played Lotro.
This is so not true. If you played EQ, DAoC, EQ2 you have already played WoW. See I can make up stuff too.
The game is a solid game with a great launch. So of course it is going to get great scores. It can be played on low end systems which helps with its popularity. One of my guildmates plays the game with a 4200 graphics card on a 4 year old PC.
And of course you can say bad things about WoW with a straight face. WoW is too gear dependent and LOTRO isn't gear dependent at all. WoW is all about instance grinding to get loot and reputation grinding to get loot. LOTRO rewards you as you use your skills and kill your enemies while completing quests. For instance you might have a quest to help a guy recover his lost sword while escorting him around to find his sword you kill goblins. Killing goblins will earn you a title and later will earn you a trait by completing the deeds. WoW is horrible for RPing and LOTRO is much much better, LOTRO provides numerous tools other then just "Naked elf dancing" for RP purposes. The Story in LOTRO is much better then in WoW. The graphics are better in LOTRO then in WoW.
/Sarcasm on
So lets see both are quest based games, both have a similar UI system that is in most MMO games, both are primarily PVE games So yeah they are just identical.
/Sarcasm off
ROFL WTF, if u wana bash wow, i suggest u go get the physical game case and bang ur head against it, instead of turning this into another omg wtf i hate wow debate.
Please, If all I wanted to do was bash WoW I could come up with a lot more. I was answering Gameloadings rediculous comment that you can't bash WoW and praise LOTRO because they are the same game. He obviously is a complete and total WoW fanboy. It becomes more and more evident since he seems to always pop up praising WoW.
I find this post amusing, You must really like the word "Fanboi", because you throw it around a lot
According to you, first I was a WoW fanboi because I didn't agree that WAR would have 1 million subscribers and take a lot of subscribers away from WoW.
Next, I was an Asian MMORPG fanboi because I said that WAR wouldn't be succesfull in Asia.
Im done with WoW and can't wait for another mmo to take over but still: WoW > LOTRO by alot + MMORPG.coms' rankings = crap The only reason shitty games gets ranked high here is because the ppl who are playing those games get bored and going on mmorpg.com to look for better games.
Translation:
Oh noes my game doesn’t get a high ranking! It must be the rankings fault and not my bad taste in games, yah that’s the ticket.
A sad and disturbing trend these days is that no matter what field you look at it seems the thing to do is if the facts don’t agree with your world view you ignore the facts.
Oh yes how true. Just how the facts that over 8 million people play wow, oh i forgot ignore the facts. Its a sad disturbing world we live in when this fact is known but ignored by all the haters and flamers.
Carry on haters. maybe ur game can achive the level of sucess bilzzard has achived with EVERY SINGLE TITLE they have released.
Flame on haters.
Those are certainly facts, but the thing about facts is they have to support your conclusions or they are just verbal diarrhea.
For example it simply doesn’t follow that because a game has the most subscribers that it is the best game available. It certainly doesn’t follow that because a game has the most subscribers it should automatically receive the highest ratings, which is what most of the people complaining about the rankings here are really trying to say.
To bring out an old example, If WoW should be the highest ranked game because it has the most subscribers then McDonalds should be the highest rated restaurant because it has the most customers. The two statements follow the exact same logic so if one is true the other *must* be true as well. Since it’s pretty clear McDonalds should never the highest ranked restaurant, then subscriber numbers alone should never dictate where WoW falls in the game rankings.
Of course you will get fanbois who can’t follow a logical argument come forward and say something like “but… but… but… 8.5 millions! So the rankings s***.” This is called non-sequitur, it simply doesn’t follow that the game/product/restaurant with the most customers is the best or deserves the highest rankings.
Anyway, this discussion is pointless. Someone please stop, since I feel supernaturally compelled to click into any "X game vs Y" type of post I just HAVE to get in and see what everyone argues about!
OP. you do realize that the ratings on it have only begun and there much less ratings on it that other games? The reason its so high is becuase of the very few ratings its gotten its been mostly people that like it. Give it some time and it will fall down in its proper place.
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
Eve an exception to the rule? No their fanboys are just as busy pumping their game as every other game's fanboys are. Every game on this site has its fanboys and its haters. It is just the nature of the genre. MMO Games do better with a good amount of people playing them, what the good amount all depends on the game. Too many people can be just as bad as too few. And both can cause your game to have both fanboys and haters.
Sorry if I was unclear. Eve is an exception to the rule because the membership base is actually increasing (at least when I last checked). The other games on the list are all in decline.
Most people who really enjoy the game they are playing arn't here reading all the reviews and posting ratings. Most people come here in search of their next game for the most part and for the most part want to justify what they are currently playing, thus the rating wars. I know when I get engrossed in a game I don't frequent here at all and don't buy into the ratings one bit.
To bring out an old example, If WoW should be the highest ranked game because it has the most subscribers then McDonalds should be the highest rated restaurant because it has the most customers. The two statements follow the exact same logic so if one is true the other *must* be true as well. Since it’s pretty clear McDonalds should never the highest ranked restaurant, then subscriber numbers alone should never dictate where WoW falls in the game rankings.
The trouble with using analogies is that they never fit the topic. You for example lump all restaruants together instead of treating McDonald for just what it is, a fast food restaurant. If you were to compare those you might find that more people prefer it overall because it does indeed offer the best product in the appropriate catagory. But now we are arguing over fastfood which has NOTHING to do with MMOs, because they don't share the same aspects. It is easy to create a meaningless analogy to fit any arguement, but in the end it doesn't make your point valid, it just dilutes topics.
It would be safe to assume that WoW deserves the highest marks because it does indeed keep more people happy and continue to grow. Take note that it continues to grow unlike most games. It is natural for those on the fringe to dislike succes, but that doesn't change the fact that all things being equal, WoW captivates not only a wider audience, but more people that the entire MMO genre had before its release.
Imo, Lotro is the evidence that the only reason WoW is ranked so low is because of its popularity, which many people hate. You can't praise Lotro and and say bad things about WoW with a straigth face, Lotro ripped so many things from WoW. If you played WoW, you played Lotro.
So lets see both are quest based games, both have a similar UI system that is in most MMO games, both are primarily PVE games So yeah they are just identical.
lets fix that list:
Same quest experience, and I mean EXACTLY the same quest experience
Not true in the least, LOTRO has an epic storyline quest that you work along from level 1 to 50. There is nothing even remotely similar to this in WoW. Also in WoW the point of doing quests is to get experience and the reward item. In LOTRO its to get XP, your reward item, and to complete your deeds for an area to get a title and to earn traits.
exact same combat (and no, don't even bother bringing up that little gimmick)
Exact same combat? Ok show me the ice mage in LOTRO? Show me the Warlock spamming Fear, Show me the rogue stunlocking? If you mean exact same because you use auto attack and special skills that are on cooldowns... Well DUH! EQ1, EQ2, WoW, DAoC, Vanguard, L2, and pretty much every other Fantasy MMO has this same exact combat system.
Same pointless crafting experience.
This isn't true either. Crafting gear will be equal to raid quality gear at high levels. Most of the gear people use is from either quest drops or player crafting from what I have seen so far.
Standard classes, not a slight bit of originality.
Once again its pretty much the same for all Fantasy games. But there is some new things in this one. Burglars are needed as they can start conjuctions, they can crowd control, they are not the DPS class.
Combat length is exactly the same
I haven't seen a single Fantasy MMO with differing combat length so I don't understand how this would be an issue?
And most importantly, both go for the exact same casual experience.
And so will every single MMO game that wants to be successful from now on. WoW showed the companies that they need to have a casual system to reel in the players. They also need to have an engine that can run on pretty much any gaming PC. Don't expect a single MMO game to come out anytime soon and be big that isn't casual friendly.
It is even mentioned they are targeting WoW and are directly competing with WoW for the same audience. you can't have a different game if your going for the exact same audience.
Once again that QUOTE is from CODEMASTERS not Turbine. So yes we know that Codemasters expects LOTRO to battle head to head with WoW in Europe.
In WoW, you run around doing quests and doing an instance every now and then. In Lotro, you run around doing quests and doing an instance every now and then. both in a casual enviroment. what a world of difference (no pun)
Sure if you try to compare WoW's single player leveling version of the game. Why not compare the endgame though. Oh I know because WoW's gear dependent raid centric, rep grind isn't very convincing of an arguement when compared to LOTRO's more casual friendly engame. So you gloss over people's number 1 complaint with WoW.
And there isn't more to mention, because there simply isn't more to the game aside from small things (ohh! emotes! omg! a music minigame!)
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
You, like, totally forgot to mention PvP Gameloading, Mkay? They used Ctrl+C so much from WoW that it just broke and when they copied PvP it Ctrl+Ved into ... Monster Play! Yay for gheynovations!
Ha. Someone actually complaining about PVP and then using WoW as an example of good PVP? WoW is a PVE game and has always been a PVE game.
Their PVP is almost as badly added on as EQ2's was.
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
To bring out an old example, If WoW should be the highest ranked game because it has the most subscribers then McDonalds should be the highest rated restaurant because it has the most customers. The two statements follow the exact same logic so if one is true the other *must* be true as well. Since it’s pretty clear McDonalds should never the highest ranked restaurant, then subscriber numbers alone should never dictate where WoW falls in the game rankings.
The trouble with using analogies is that they never fit the topic. You for example lump all restaruants together instead of treating McDonald for just what it is, a fast food restaurant. If you were to compare those you might find that more people prefer it overall because it does indeed offer the best product in the appropriate catagory. But now we are arguing over fastfood which has NOTHING to do with MMOs, because they don't share the same aspects. It is easy to create a meaningless analogy to fit any arguement, but in the end it doesn't make your point valid, it just dilutes topics.
It would be safe to assume that WoW deserves the highest marks because it does indeed keep more people happy and continue to grow. Take note that it continues to grow unlike most games. It is natural for those on the fringe to dislike succes, but that doesn't change the fact that all things being equal, WoW captivates not only a wider audience, but more people that the entire MMO genre had before its release.
And safely saying or assuming WoW doesn't deserve the highest ranking, is another safe bet too. You can praise all you want about WoW like the rest of your kind does, but it sickens me when you think your game can do no wrong in anything and should have more then it does now. I honestly don't know which group of people are more delutional than others in this area. WoW gets what it deserves from the people that play, don't play or won't play. We all have our points, issues, ect, ect, ect with WoW. I'm not saying a bad thing about WoW. Nor you as a person, but come on, It never made any revolutionary break throughs in MMO's. The only thing it managed to do was attract people. So many say that Lord of the rings is a fad and it's ratings are based on nothing. If I recall, I'm sure you Wowwers were thrilled when your beloved game was number 1 one at one time. We've all said it before, ratings don't do a thing for a game. They are all based on opinion, and like this has been said all before, the only opinion that should count is your own. It's clever and soundly advice. For once in so many of your miserable lives, be happy that so many people are enjoying something else. Try to think back when you were where they are now in thier new game. I would hope that most of you could remember when you first played your MMO and went, "My word, this is amazing!." Well, maybe in other words of course. I think you get what I mean there. I'm happy to see other MMO's do well. It makes for a wider selection to play.
Imo, Lotro is the evidence that the only reason WoW is ranked so low is because of its popularity, which many people hate. You can't praise Lotro and and say bad things about WoW with a straigth face, Lotro ripped so many things from WoW. If you played WoW, you played Lotro.
So lets see both are quest based games, both have a similar UI system that is in most MMO games, both are primarily PVE games So yeah they are just identical.
lets fix that list:
Same quest experience, and I mean EXACTLY the same quest experience
Not true in the least, LOTRO has an epic storyline quest that you work along from level 1 to 50. There is nothing even remotely similar to this in WoW. Also in WoW the point of doing quests is to get experience and the reward item. In LOTRO its to get XP, your reward item, and to complete your deeds for an area to get a title and to earn traits.
So your arguement for saying it "Not true in the least" are a few lines written in the quest log? wow, now that has a SIGNIFICANT impact on the gamepla and..oh no wait it doesn't, because no matter how you look at it, its still the same tasks you have to do over and over again, aside from a small storyline missions. In lotro, you do the exact same thing, doing quests to get rewards and level up.
exact same combat (and no, don't even bother bringing up that little gimmick)
Exact same combat? Ok show me the ice mage in LOTRO? Show me the Warlock spamming Fear, Show me the rogue stunlocking? If you mean exact same because you use auto attack and special skills that are on cooldowns... Well DUH! EQ1, EQ2, WoW, DAoC, Vanguard, L2, and pretty much every other Fantasy MMO has this same exact combat system.
And this is the year 2007! One would expect that we had some new, more innovative combat by now, but unfortunatly this is not the case. Age of Conan can do it, Granado Espada can do it, Tabula Rasa can do it, Aion can do it but it seems its too much to ask for from Lotro (and Vanguard, make no mistake)
Same pointless crafting experience.
This isn't true either. Crafting gear will be equal to raid quality gear at high levels. Most of the gear people use is from either quest drops or player crafting from what I have seen so far.
Not from my experience. I rarely used crafting gear, not anymore then I did in WoW, thats for sure.
Standard classes, not a slight bit of originality.
Once again its pretty much the same for all Fantasy games. But there is some new things in this one. Burglars are needed as they can start conjuctions, they can crowd control, they are not the DPS class.
The innovation is truly overwhelming.
Combat length is exactly the same
I haven't seen a single Fantasy MMO with differing combat length so I don't understand how this would be an issue?
It was to further back up that Lotro is not innovative in the least
And most importantly, both go for the exact same casual experience.
And so will every single MMO game that wants to be successful from now on. WoW showed the companies that they need to have a casual system to reel in the players. They also need to have an engine that can run on pretty much any gaming PC. Don't expect a single MMO game to come out anytime soon and be big that isn't casual friendly.
It is even mentioned they are targeting WoW and are directly competing with WoW for the same audience. you can't have a different game if your going for the exact same audience.
Once again that QUOTE is from CODEMASTERS not Turbine. So yes we know that Codemasters expects LOTRO to battle head to head with WoW in Europe.
Yes and we all know Codemasters is going for a completely different audience then Turbine...
In WoW, you run around doing quests and doing an instance every now and then. In Lotro, you run around doing quests and doing an instance every now and then. both in a casual enviroment. what a world of difference (no pun)
Sure if you try to compare WoW's single player leveling version of the game. Why not compare the endgame though. Oh I know because WoW's gear dependent raid centric, rep grind isn't very convincing of an arguement when compared to LOTRO's more casual friendly engame. So you gloss over people's number 1 complaint with WoW.
I'll give you that one, But even Lotro's endgame will get repetive and will eventualy turn into a timesink. Lotro is not a strong sandbox enviroment, so you have to depend 100% on Turbine to create content for you. and you can't create content faster then players can play through it.
And there isn't more to mention, because there simply isn't more to the game aside from small things (ohh! emotes! omg! a music minigame!)
@ the McDonalds comment and WoW, I've seen this brought up before, and as another poster mentioned it's not a good analogy, which makes your premises not necessarily true. Fast food is to restaurants like MMO's are to games. If you asked if McDonalds was the best fast food restaurant, you'd get much more convincing arguments. Clearly subscriber levels alone can't indicate what is "best" since it's subjective, but it does carry weight.
Also, in determining what is "best" in an MMO, one has to consider the size of the population. Very few people would prefer to play an MMO with a small or inactive community. So subscriber base is actually a determinant. At McDonalds, your level of satisfaction is not tied to how many other people eat there, but rather how good the food is, and how fast is the service. Fast service or good food translates to size of community in an MMO as one of the factors that makes them "good".
I don't play WoW any more as it just got old. I had fun while I played though, and I'm not sure why it gets so much bad press here on MMORPG.com.
And safely saying or assuming WoW doesn't deserve the highest ranking, is another safe bet too. You can praise all you want about WoW like the rest of your kind does, but it sickens me when you think your game can do no wrong in anything and should have more then it does now. I honestly don't know which group of people are more delutional than others in this area. WoW gets what it deserves from the people that play, don't play or won't play. We all have our points, issues, ect, ect, ect with WoW. I'm not saying a bad thing about WoW. Nor you as a person, but come on, It never made any revolutionary break throughs in MMO's. The only thing it managed to do was attract people. So many say that Lord of the rings is a fad and it's ratings are based on nothing. If I recall, I'm sure you Wowwers were thrilled when your beloved game was number 1 one at one time. We've all said it before, ratings don't do a thing for a game. They are all based on opinion, and like this has been said all before, the only opinion that should count is your own. It's clever and soundly advice. For once in so many of your miserable lives, be happy that so many people are enjoying something else. Try to think back when you were where they are now in thier new game. I would hope that most of you could remember when you first played your MMO and went, "My word, this is amazing!." Well, maybe in other words of course. I think you get what I mean there. I'm happy to see other MMO's do well. It makes for a wider selection to play.
Hold thephone buddy. Don't go off half cocked calling WoW "my game" and saying the rest of my "kind" as if you know me as some sort of WoW fanboy. WoW has more than its fair share of shortcommings I readily admit.
WoW is a good game all around and while I don't enjoy it anymore it is a very solid game. I also think LOTRO is a fantastic game, it just isn't right for me at the moment. I happen to agree with the high ratings that it is receiving, but thats just my opinion. Also I could care less about the ratings here and what game is ranked where. I am just of the opinion that the whole rating system here is flawed and prone to mainpulation. No more or less than that, so please get the heck off my back with your assanine assumptions about me you jackass.
I have learned to respect the good aspects of games and give credit where credit is due. All MMOs are just clones of Everquest to a large extent and they all have their own innovations.
To bring out an old example, If WoW should be the highest ranked game because it has the most subscribers then McDonalds should be the highest rated restaurant because it has the most customers. The two statements follow the exact same logic so if one is true the other *must* be true as well. Since it’s pretty clear McDonalds should never the highest ranked restaurant, then subscriber numbers alone should never dictate where WoW falls in the game rankings.
The trouble with using analogies is that they never fit the topic. You for example lump all restaruants together instead of treating McDonald for just what it is, a fast food restaurant. If you were to compare those you might find that more people prefer it overall because it does indeed offer the best product in the appropriate catagory. But now we are arguing over fastfood which has NOTHING to do with MMOs, because they don't share the same aspects. It is easy to create a meaningless analogy to fit any arguement, but in the end it doesn't make your point valid, it just dilutes topics.
It would be safe to assume that WoW deserves the highest marks because it does indeed keep more people happy and continue to grow. Take note that it continues to grow unlike most games. It is natural for those on the fringe to dislike succes, but that doesn't change the fact that all things being equal, WoW captivates not only a wider audience, but more people that the entire MMO genre had before its release.
That would not be safe assumption. WoW has a high percentage of players who have never played another MMO and thus far have shown no particular interest in the genre as a whole. They follow Blizzard not MMO’s.
This site caters to veterans of multiple MMO’s, and as such is going to have a very different viewpoint a Blizzard fan site. If you go a site that caters to Blizzards fan base you would expect to get a different opinion, but you would be an opinion that was only relevant to a Blizzard fan and not a fan of the MMO genre in general.
So the question you need to ask yourself is if you are a Blizzards fan first or are you a MMO fan first? If you are an MMO fan first the ratings here are relevant to you. If you are a Blizzard fan first the appropriate place to act that out is on a Blizzard fan site. If you bring it here you will be labeled a fanboi and rightly so.
I think we can now see why you want to artificially limit the scope restaurants in my analogy while I do not. You come in treating this site as dealing with a limited scope of games and expect it to validate your views, while I view it as one where I can get the opinions on the genre as a whole. This is not a Blizzard fan site nor should it be and that means you are just going to have to live with the fact that people with a broader interest in MMO’s generally do not think as highly of WoW as you do.
Im done with WoW and can't wait for another mmo to take over but still: WoW > LOTRO by alot + MMORPG.coms' rankings = crap The only reason shitty games gets ranked high here is because the ppl who are playing those games get bored and going on mmorpg.com to look for better games.
Translation:
Oh noes my game doesn’t get a high ranking! It must be the rankings fault and not my bad taste in games, yah that’s the ticket.
A sad and disturbing trend these days is that no matter what field you look at it seems the thing to do is if the facts don’t agree with your world view you ignore the facts.
Oh yes how true. Just how the facts that over 8 million people play wow, oh i forgot ignore the facts. Its a sad disturbing world we live in when this fact is known but ignored by all the haters and flamers.
Carry on haters. maybe ur game can achive the level of sucess bilzzard has achived with EVERY SINGLE TITLE they have released.
Flame on haters.
Those are certainly facts, but the thing about facts is they have to support your conclusions or they are just verbal diarrhea.
For example it simply doesn’t follow that because a game has the most subscribers that it is the best game available. It certainly doesn’t follow that because a game has the most subscribers it should automatically receive the highest ratings, which is what most of the people complaining about the rankings here are really trying to say.
To bring out an old example, If WoW should be the highest ranked game because it has the most subscribers then McDonalds should be the highest rated restaurant because it has the most customers. The two statements follow the exact same logic so if one is true the other *must* be true as well. Since it’s pretty clear McDonalds should never the highest ranked restaurant, then subscriber numbers alone should never dictate where WoW falls in the game rankings.
Of course you will get fanbois who can’t follow a logical argument come forward and say something like “but… but… but… 8.5 millions! So the rankings s***.” This is called non-sequitur, it simply doesn’t follow that the game/product/restaurant with the most customers is the best or deserves the highest rankings.
FIRST OF ALL : comparing McDonalds to a restaurant is some how like comparing a MMORPG to an RPG ... so your logic is broken.
WoW doesn't fall in most mmorpg game-rankings maybe only on mmorpg.com.. other sites praise it , like it should be... this game is a huge success and denying the fact that it took the MMORPG genre to the next step is just being the wow-hater that you are.
No one can tell you "WOW IS THE BEST GAME U MUST AGREE WITH IT KK?" no!,not all ppl hate wow cuz they can't afford it and bla bla bla.. you know the story... but it's a fact that it's the most popular mmorpg out there by far..if you're saying "NO IT IS NOT!!!" and have a sane mind.. you must agree it's in the top 5 ..if you agree with it you must agree that typically it should be on the top 5 of mmorpg.com... something smells funny here when WoW is not in the top 5 and a buncha stinky games that doesnt come close to WoW's depth , content , success and popularity are there.
Best? wtf is even best? you can't argue which game is best because ppl have different taste in games.... check real grades of mmo's on serious sites like gamespot or w/e..
World of Warcraft is a proof that MMORPG quality should affect schedule/budget and not the other way around.
That would not be safe assumption. WoW has a high percentage of players who have never played another MMO and thus far have shown no particular interest in the genre as a whole. They follow Blizzard not MMO’s.
This site caters to veterans of multiple MMO’s, and as such is going to have a very different viewpoint a Blizzard fan site. If you go a site that caters to Blizzards fan base you would expect to get a different opinion, but you would be an opinion that was only relevant to a Blizzard fan and not a fan of the MMO genre in general.
So the question you need to ask yourself is if you are a Blizzards fan first or are you a MMO fan first? If you are an MMO fan first the ratings here are relevant to you. If you are a Blizzard fan first the appropriate place to act that out is on a Blizzard fan site. If you bring it here you will be labeled a fanboi and rightly so.
I think we can now see why you want to artificially limit the scope restaurants in my analogy while I do not. You come in treating this site as dealing with a limited scope of games and expect it to validate your views, while I view it as one where I can get the opinions on the genre as a whole. This is not a Blizzard fan site nor should it be and that means you are just going to have to live with the fact that people with a broader interest in MMO’s generally do not think as highly of WoW as you do.
No I just think analogies suck and can be twisted to fit someones views when they actually just detract from logical discussions. Talking about the quality of McDonalds has zero to do with video games and it never will. If McDonalds went out of business tomorrow it wouldn't relate to WoW, EQ2 or automobiles, see the differences? You are just dressing up your opinion by pointing out things in an entirely different market and pretending that is somehow validates your views. I'm sorry you think that talking about hamburgers somehow makes your views of MMOs correct.
As for the ratings here, I couldn't disagree with you more. This place caters to people looking for a new game to play as you can tell by all the games advertising here trying to get new subscribers. Those who are content with what they are playing don't frequent here much. Not only is the rating system here suseptable to abuse through shock/awe attacks or jsut outright duplicate/fake entries it just doesn't mean anything. In the end people spend more time epeening about the number next to their game here and it doesn't mean anything.
If a game is good people will subscribe to play it, they don't care about some number on this website. If it is not good people will leave for something better and the old game will have to merge servers together to compensate for the loss of playerbase. For example EQ2 is rated really high here, but merging servers again in europe. The ratings here mean nothing.
Remember: drawing attention to the rating by spamming the forums with threads about it will probably attract a lot of people to review it negatively thus sinking the game.
1. The weekly update, repair thing is Great but it is weekly and they are down every week, BLA I want to play not wait till lunch time till I can play
2. I have seen a very immature player base over all on the server we play on. And in wow you need groups and help with some quest, instances and raids. So sorta bad if you prefer solo or are selective about who you play with
We have looked at trying out LOTR since it seems to be close to wow but maybe offers a more mature player base and less down time
interesting how Lotro is attracting hate. Anyway, think the ratings will drop off as people play more of it. With WoW, some people played and then got bitter with the endgame, how will people deal with reaching the end of lotro, bitterness or contentment? We will see.
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This is all quite silly to be honest, so are the LOTRO fans going to replace WOW's as being the most annoying now?
Geez...
Dutchess Zarraa Voltayre
Reborn/Zero Sum/Ancient Legacy/Jagged Legion/Feared/Nuke & Pave.
When a new game is released, it always shoots up in the ratings. Things balance out again in a week or two.
Now with 57.3% more flames!
Oh yes how true. Just how the facts that over 8 million people play wow, oh i forgot ignore the facts. Its a sad disturbing world we live in when this fact is known but ignored by all the haters and flamers.
Carry on haters. maybe ur game can achive the level of sucess bilzzard has achived with EVERY SINGLE TITLE they have released.
Flame on haters.
Vanguard had a 9.2 score the first weekit came out. Look where it is now.
It's the same thing with LOTRO.
At least im not gonna play it. I finished with WoW a long time ago, but i still remember I had much more fun in WoW as I have had in LOTRO.
So lets see both are quest based games, both have a similar UI system that is in most MMO games, both are primarily PVE games So yeah they are just identical.
lets fix that list:
Same quest experience, and I mean EXACTLY the same quest experience
exact same combat (and no, don't even bother bringing up that little gimmick)
Same pointless crafting experience.
Standard classes, not a slight bit of originality.
Combat length is exactly the same
And most importantly, both go for the exact same casual experience.
Here:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=16272
It is even mentioned they are targeting WoW and are directly competing with WoW for the same audience. you can't have a different game if your going for the exact same audience.
In WoW, you run around doing quests and doing an instance every now and then. In Lotro, you run around doing quests and doing an instance every now and then. both in a casual enviroment. what a world of difference (no pun)
And there isn't more to mention, because there simply isn't more to the game aside from small things (ohh! emotes! omg! a music minigame!)
This is so not true. If you played EQ, DAoC, EQ2 you have already played WoW. See I can make up stuff too.The game is a solid game with a great launch. So of course it is going to get great scores. It can be played on low end systems which helps with its popularity. One of my guildmates plays the game with a 4200 graphics card on a 4 year old PC.
And of course you can say bad things about WoW with a straight face. WoW is too gear dependent and LOTRO isn't gear dependent at all. WoW is all about instance grinding to get loot and reputation grinding to get loot. LOTRO rewards you as you use your skills and kill your enemies while completing quests. For instance you might have a quest to help a guy recover his lost sword while escorting him around to find his sword you kill goblins. Killing goblins will earn you a title and later will earn you a trait by completing the deeds. WoW is horrible for RPing and LOTRO is much much better, LOTRO provides numerous tools other then just "Naked elf dancing" for RP purposes. The Story in LOTRO is much better then in WoW. The graphics are better in LOTRO then in WoW.
/Sarcasm on
So lets see both are quest based games, both have a similar UI system that is in most MMO games, both are primarily PVE games So yeah they are just identical.
/Sarcasm off
ROFL WTF, if u wana bash wow, i suggest u go get the physical game case and bang ur head against it, instead of turning this into another omg wtf i hate wow debate.
Please, If all I wanted to do was bash WoW I could come up with a lot more. I was answering Gameloadings rediculous comment that you can't bash WoW and praise LOTRO because they are the same game. He obviously is a complete and total WoW fanboy. It becomes more and more evident since he seems to always pop up praising WoW.
I find this post amusing, You must really like the word "Fanboi", because you throw it around a lot
According to you, first I was a WoW fanboi because I didn't agree that WAR would have 1 million subscribers and take a lot of subscribers away from WoW.
Next, I was an Asian MMORPG fanboi because I said that WAR wouldn't be succesfull in Asia.
And now I'm back to a WoW fanboi again.
Your funny Cabe.
You, like, totally forgot to mention PvP Gameloading, Mkay?
They used Ctrl+C so much from WoW that it just broke and when they copied PvP it Ctrl+Ved into ... Monster Play!
Yay for gheynovations!
WTB Shadowbane 2
Oh yes how true. Just how the facts that over 8 million people play wow, oh i forgot ignore the facts. Its a sad disturbing world we live in when this fact is known but ignored by all the haters and flamers.
Carry on haters. maybe ur game can achive the level of sucess bilzzard has achived with EVERY SINGLE TITLE they have released.
Flame on haters.
Those are certainly facts, but the thing about facts is they have to support your conclusions or they are just verbal diarrhea.
hmm the rating has dropped already from 8.5 to 8.4 and i just got back.....
Well i just got back from Best Buy and i am installing lotro as i type
I even picked up the Shadows Of Angmar Guide Book by Prima and Lord Of The Rings 6 Disk DVD Trilogy Movie Pack
I can't wait 'till im done installing.
I will see you all in game
Anyway, this discussion is pointless. Someone please stop, since I feel supernaturally compelled to click into any "X game vs Y" type of post
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
Most people who really enjoy the game they are playing arn't here reading all the reviews and posting ratings. Most people come here in search of their next game for the most part and for the most part want to justify what they are currently playing, thus the rating wars. I know when I get engrossed in a game I don't frequent here at all and don't buy into the ratings one bit.
It would be safe to assume that WoW deserves the highest marks because it does indeed keep more people happy and continue to grow. Take note that it continues to grow unlike most games. It is natural for those on the fringe to dislike succes, but that doesn't change the fact that all things being equal, WoW captivates not only a wider audience, but more people that the entire MMO genre had before its release.
So lets see both are quest based games, both have a similar UI system that is in most MMO games, both are primarily PVE games So yeah they are just identical.
lets fix that list:
Same quest experience, and I mean EXACTLY the same quest experience
Not true in the least, LOTRO has an epic storyline quest that you work along from level 1 to 50. There is nothing even remotely similar to this in WoW. Also in WoW the point of doing quests is to get experience and the reward item. In LOTRO its to get XP, your reward item, and to complete your deeds for an area to get a title and to earn traits.
exact same combat (and no, don't even bother bringing up that little gimmick)
Exact same combat? Ok show me the ice mage in LOTRO? Show me the Warlock spamming Fear, Show me the rogue stunlocking? If you mean exact same because you use auto attack and special skills that are on cooldowns... Well DUH! EQ1, EQ2, WoW, DAoC, Vanguard, L2, and pretty much every other Fantasy MMO has this same exact combat system.
Same pointless crafting experience.
This isn't true either. Crafting gear will be equal to raid quality gear at high levels. Most of the gear people use is from either quest drops or player crafting from what I have seen so far.
Standard classes, not a slight bit of originality.
Once again its pretty much the same for all Fantasy games. But there is some new things in this one. Burglars are needed as they can start conjuctions, they can crowd control, they are not the DPS class.
Combat length is exactly the same
I haven't seen a single Fantasy MMO with differing combat length so I don't understand how this would be an issue?
And most importantly, both go for the exact same casual experience.
And so will every single MMO game that wants to be successful from now on. WoW showed the companies that they need to have a casual system to reel in the players. They also need to have an engine that can run on pretty much any gaming PC. Don't expect a single MMO game to come out anytime soon and be big that isn't casual friendly.
Here:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=16272
It is even mentioned they are targeting WoW and are directly competing with WoW for the same audience. you can't have a different game if your going for the exact same audience.
Once again that QUOTE is from CODEMASTERS not Turbine. So yes we know that Codemasters expects LOTRO to battle head to head with WoW in Europe.
In WoW, you run around doing quests and doing an instance every now and then. In Lotro, you run around doing quests and doing an instance every now and then. both in a casual enviroment. what a world of difference (no pun)
Sure if you try to compare WoW's single player leveling version of the game. Why not compare the endgame though. Oh I know because WoW's gear dependent raid centric, rep grind isn't very convincing of an arguement when compared to LOTRO's more casual friendly engame. So you gloss over people's number 1 complaint with WoW.
And there isn't more to mention, because there simply isn't more to the game aside from small things (ohh! emotes! omg! a music minigame!)
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
Their PVP is almost as badly added on as EQ2's was.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
It would be safe to assume that WoW deserves the highest marks because it does indeed keep more people happy and continue to grow. Take note that it continues to grow unlike most games. It is natural for those on the fringe to dislike succes, but that doesn't change the fact that all things being equal, WoW captivates not only a wider audience, but more people that the entire MMO genre had before its release.
And safely saying or assuming WoW doesn't deserve the highest ranking, is another safe bet too. You can praise all you want about WoW like the rest of your kind does, but it sickens me when you think your game can do no wrong in anything and should have more then it does now. I honestly don't know which group of people are more delutional than others in this area. WoW gets what it deserves from the people that play, don't play or won't play. We all have our points, issues, ect, ect, ect with WoW. I'm not saying a bad thing about WoW. Nor you as a person, but come on, It never made any revolutionary break throughs in MMO's. The only thing it managed to do was attract people. So many say that Lord of the rings is a fad and it's ratings are based on nothing. If I recall, I'm sure you Wowwers were thrilled when your beloved game was number 1 one at one time. We've all said it before, ratings don't do a thing for a game. They are all based on opinion, and like this has been said all before, the only opinion that should count is your own. It's clever and soundly advice. For once in so many of your miserable lives, be happy that so many people are enjoying something else. Try to think back when you were where they are now in thier new game. I would hope that most of you could remember when you first played your MMO and went, "My word, this is amazing!." Well, maybe in other words of course. I think you get what I mean there. I'm happy to see other MMO's do well. It makes for a wider selection to play.So lets see both are quest based games, both have a similar UI system that is in most MMO games, both are primarily PVE games So yeah they are just identical.
lets fix that list:
Same quest experience, and I mean EXACTLY the same quest experience
Not true in the least, LOTRO has an epic storyline quest that you work along from level 1 to 50. There is nothing even remotely similar to this in WoW. Also in WoW the point of doing quests is to get experience and the reward item. In LOTRO its to get XP, your reward item, and to complete your deeds for an area to get a title and to earn traits.
So your arguement for saying it "Not true in the least" are a few lines written in the quest log? wow, now that has a SIGNIFICANT impact on the gamepla and..oh no wait it doesn't, because no matter how you look at it, its still the same tasks you have to do over and over again, aside from a small storyline missions. In lotro, you do the exact same thing, doing quests to get rewards and level up.
exact same combat (and no, don't even bother bringing up that little gimmick)
Exact same combat? Ok show me the ice mage in LOTRO? Show me the Warlock spamming Fear, Show me the rogue stunlocking? If you mean exact same because you use auto attack and special skills that are on cooldowns... Well DUH! EQ1, EQ2, WoW, DAoC, Vanguard, L2, and pretty much every other Fantasy MMO has this same exact combat system.
And this is the year 2007! One would expect that we had some new, more innovative combat by now, but unfortunatly this is not the case. Age of Conan can do it, Granado Espada can do it, Tabula Rasa can do it, Aion can do it but it seems its too much to ask for from Lotro (and Vanguard, make no mistake)
Same pointless crafting experience.
This isn't true either. Crafting gear will be equal to raid quality gear at high levels. Most of the gear people use is from either quest drops or player crafting from what I have seen so far.
Not from my experience. I rarely used crafting gear, not anymore then I did in WoW, thats for sure.
Standard classes, not a slight bit of originality.
Once again its pretty much the same for all Fantasy games. But there is some new things in this one. Burglars are needed as they can start conjuctions, they can crowd control, they are not the DPS class.
The innovation is truly overwhelming.
Combat length is exactly the same
I haven't seen a single Fantasy MMO with differing combat length so I don't understand how this would be an issue?
It was to further back up that Lotro is not innovative in the least
And most importantly, both go for the exact same casual experience.
And so will every single MMO game that wants to be successful from now on. WoW showed the companies that they need to have a casual system to reel in the players. They also need to have an engine that can run on pretty much any gaming PC. Don't expect a single MMO game to come out anytime soon and be big that isn't casual friendly.
Here:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=16272
It is even mentioned they are targeting WoW and are directly competing with WoW for the same audience. you can't have a different game if your going for the exact same audience.
Once again that QUOTE is from CODEMASTERS not Turbine. So yes we know that Codemasters expects LOTRO to battle head to head with WoW in Europe.
Yes and we all know Codemasters is going for a completely different audience then Turbine...
In WoW, you run around doing quests and doing an instance every now and then. In Lotro, you run around doing quests and doing an instance every now and then. both in a casual enviroment. what a world of difference (no pun)
Sure if you try to compare WoW's single player leveling version of the game. Why not compare the endgame though. Oh I know because WoW's gear dependent raid centric, rep grind isn't very convincing of an arguement when compared to LOTRO's more casual friendly engame. So you gloss over people's number 1 complaint with WoW.
I'll give you that one, But even Lotro's endgame will get repetive and will eventualy turn into a timesink. Lotro is not a strong sandbox enviroment, so you have to depend 100% on Turbine to create content for you. and you can't create content faster then players can play through it.
And there isn't more to mention, because there simply isn't more to the game aside from small things (ohh! emotes! omg! a music minigame!)
@ the McDonalds comment and WoW, I've seen this brought up before, and as another poster mentioned it's not a good analogy, which makes your premises not necessarily true. Fast food is to restaurants like MMO's are to games. If you asked if McDonalds was the best fast food restaurant, you'd get much more convincing arguments. Clearly subscriber levels alone can't indicate what is "best" since it's subjective, but it does carry weight.
Also, in determining what is "best" in an MMO, one has to consider the size of the population. Very few people would prefer to play an MMO with a small or inactive community. So subscriber base is actually a determinant. At McDonalds, your level of satisfaction is not tied to how many other people eat there, but rather how good the food is, and how fast is the service. Fast service or good food translates to size of community in an MMO as one of the factors that makes them "good".
I don't play WoW any more as it just got old. I had fun while I played though, and I'm not sure why it gets so much bad press here on MMORPG.com.
WoW is a good game all around and while I don't enjoy it anymore it is a very solid game. I also think LOTRO is a fantastic game, it just isn't right for me at the moment. I happen to agree with the high ratings that it is receiving, but thats just my opinion. Also I could care less about the ratings here and what game is ranked where. I am just of the opinion that the whole rating system here is flawed and prone to mainpulation. No more or less than that, so please get the heck off my back with your assanine assumptions about me you jackass.
I have learned to respect the good aspects of games and give credit where credit is due. All MMOs are just clones of Everquest to a large extent and they all have their own innovations.
So please feel free to jump in a lake and inhale.
It would be safe to assume that WoW deserves the highest marks because it does indeed keep more people happy and continue to grow. Take note that it continues to grow unlike most games. It is natural for those on the fringe to dislike succes, but that doesn't change the fact that all things being equal, WoW captivates not only a wider audience, but more people that the entire MMO genre had before its release.
Oh yes how true. Just how the facts that over 8 million people play wow, oh i forgot ignore the facts. Its a sad disturbing world we live in when this fact is known but ignored by all the haters and flamers.
Carry on haters. maybe ur game can achive the level of sucess bilzzard has achived with EVERY SINGLE TITLE they have released.
Flame on haters.
Those are certainly facts, but the thing about facts is they have to support your conclusions or they are just verbal diarrhea.
FIRST OF ALL : comparing McDonalds to a restaurant is some how like comparing a MMORPG to an RPG ... so your logic is broken.
WoW doesn't fall in most mmorpg game-rankings maybe only on mmorpg.com.. other sites praise it , like it should be... this game is a huge success and denying the fact that it took the MMORPG genre to the next step is just being the wow-hater that you are.
No one can tell you "WOW IS THE BEST GAME U MUST AGREE WITH IT KK?" no!,not all ppl hate wow cuz they can't afford it and bla bla bla.. you know the story... but it's a fact that it's the most popular mmorpg out there by far..if you're saying "NO IT IS NOT!!!" and have a sane mind.. you must agree it's in the top 5 ..if you agree with it you must agree that typically it should be on the top 5 of mmorpg.com... something smells funny here when WoW is not in the top 5 and a buncha stinky games that doesnt come close to WoW's depth , content , success and popularity are there.
Best? wtf is even best? you can't argue which game is best because ppl have different taste in games.... check real grades of mmo's on serious sites like gamespot or w/e..
World of Warcraft is a proof that MMORPG quality should affect schedule/budget and not the other way around.
No I just think analogies suck and can be twisted to fit someones views when they actually just detract from logical discussions. Talking about the quality of McDonalds has zero to do with video games and it never will. If McDonalds went out of business tomorrow it wouldn't relate to WoW, EQ2 or automobiles, see the differences? You are just dressing up your opinion by pointing out things in an entirely different market and pretending that is somehow validates your views. I'm sorry you think that talking about hamburgers somehow makes your views of MMOs correct.
As for the ratings here, I couldn't disagree with you more. This place caters to people looking for a new game to play as you can tell by all the games advertising here trying to get new subscribers. Those who are content with what they are playing don't frequent here much. Not only is the rating system here suseptable to abuse through shock/awe attacks or jsut outright duplicate/fake entries it just doesn't mean anything. In the end people spend more time epeening about the number next to their game here and it doesn't mean anything.
If a game is good people will subscribe to play it, they don't care about some number on this website. If it is not good people will leave for something better and the old game will have to merge servers together to compensate for the loss of playerbase. For example EQ2 is rated really high here, but merging servers again in europe. The ratings here mean nothing.
Remember: drawing attention to the rating by spamming the forums with threads about it will probably attract a lot of people to review it negatively thus sinking the game.
Be careful what you brag about.
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I love wow but wish 2 things were better there.
1. The weekly update, repair thing is Great but it is weekly and they are down every week, BLA I want to play not wait till lunch time till I can play
2. I have seen a very immature player base over all on the server we play on. And in wow you need groups and help with some quest, instances and raids. So sorta bad if you prefer solo or are selective about who you play with
We have looked at trying out LOTR since it seems to be close to wow but maybe offers a more mature player base and less down time
Problem: Pay to try
Any word if they will ever offer trail accounts?
thanks for your time
interesting how Lotro is attracting hate.
Anyway, think the ratings will drop off as people play more of it. With WoW, some people played and then got bitter with the endgame, how will people deal with reaching the end of lotro, bitterness or contentment? We will see.