You want to know why I'm angry? I'll tell you why I am still angry

hubertgrove · May 2007

I remember being a Jedi Knight. I remember seeing a BH on his AV21 arrive while I was meditating in the ruins of Dantoine. I remember cloaking and then stalking him as he, in turn, hunted me. I remember decloaking behind him and then hurling him to the ground with my Saber Throw 3. I remember killing him while I played my speech macro: 'So, my old friend, we meet again at last perhaps for the first time' and him going; 'Wot/ U r imba'.

Yes, yes. I was imbalanced. I spent two years grinding cows in Dantoine to be imbalanced. I spent two years building up a food and drink business so i could afford the skill tapes so I could modify my clothes so I could solo the great Krayt Dragons so I could get the four Premium pearls so I could be imbalanced.

That is why I am still angry. Why don't you get it SOE?

I shifted over to WoW. Love the graphics but it's just too linear and simple a game. Tried COH and COV - the customisation is fabulous and the community is great but the instancing was repetitive. Tried EQ2 but the landscapes were far too small and, again, it was all too repetitive. Tried Second Life which offered all the open-ended experience I liked but it was just too rough and crude to work properly.

You broke my game, Smedley. How I'd like to jam a steel pineapple up your sphincter!

ajax7 · May 2007

That will lead you only to the Darkside of the Force!

NGESUCKS · May 2007

If your playing wow go ask smed in game lol. They dont even play there own sh#t.If anyone knows in game name ill glad make a wow account and put him on follow spamming John smedly- "We believe that NGE will bring in 5 million new players" John smedley"The game needs content? 4 years after release?" What do u want to bet if u hassled in game youd probably see some results lmao. If he believes NGE is so great why he playing WOW with his g/f julio? hmm

viadi · May 2007

Originally posted by NGESUCKS

If your playing wow go ask smed in game lol. They dont even play there own sh#t.If anyone knows in game name ill glad make a wow account and put him on follow spamming John smedly- "We believe that NGE will bring in 5 million new players" John smedley"The game needs content? 4 years after release?" What do u want to bet if u hassled in game youd probably see some results lmao. If he believes NGE is so great why he playing WOW with his g/f julio? hmm

Does anyone know smeds ingame name and server?

Kyleran · May 2007

But despite all that Hubert...you have to let it go....its dead, its gone, the time you spent isn't coming back (there is a lesson in there somewhere btw). There's some new games that you probably can find some enjoyment in.... if only you'll let the past go.....

viadi · May 2007

Originally posted by Kyleran

But despite all that Hubert...you have to let it go....its dead, its gone, the time you spent isn't coming back (there is a lesson in there somewhere btw). There's some new games that you probably can find some enjoyment in.... if only you'll let the past go.....

I play WOW if I'm going to be forced to play some liner crap for my mmo fix it may as well be the most polished one out there I... like just about everone here is over it, I've got on with my life. but ill allways be mad

SeeMeFearMe · May 2007

Actually, I'm mad that Jedi were ever introduced to fuck this game up. What an amazing game this was when it came out, now it is a shadow of its former self. All because of Jedi and bad Live designers. I'm a Star Wars fan first and foremost, so the introduction of Jedi in a period where there were only THREE was pretty annoying.

Jedi were imbalanced and it didn't many the 2 years you spent to obtain all that, I obtained the same results within months. It wasn't hard. This isn't the point though. Hopefully if Bioware is making a KOTOR game we can all just finally enjoy a Jedi oriented game where we won't be nerfed or balanced to be on par with non-force sensitive classes.

Dvol · May 2007

Originally posted by SeeMeFearMe

Actually, I'm mad that Jedi were ever introduced to fuck this game up. What an amazing game this was when it came out, now it is a shadow of its former self. All because of Jedi and bad Live designers. I'm a Star Wars fan first and foremost, so the introduction of Jedi in a period where there were only THREE was pretty annoying.

Jedi were imbalanced and it didn't many the 2 years you spent to obtain all that, I obtained the same results within months. It wasn't hard. This isn't the point though. Hopefully if Bioware is making a KOTOR game we can all just finally enjoy a Jedi oriented game where we won't be nerfed or balanced to be on par with non-force sensitive classes.

Um most who played as a Jedi would disagree...We had a balance bar called force, and at one time a risk system that kept us in check..Jedi were hidden pre9 for the most part but due to all the cries and whines most of the risk system was revamped poorly.But in reality Jedi were very good vs range and meh vs melee..Was reallt based on the player some excelled while others couldnt grasp their abilities.

As with all this talk of imbalance you had to think about what was in place at certain points in SWG..When the Risk was removed Jedi flourished but still balanced within the system itself.A good player could whipe a jedi out in no time cause they out lasted his/her force bar..I learned to play in each system adjusting my pvp toons accordingly.Sadly most just complained about things that had a strength and weakness built into each build..

SOE could never get the right risk system without nerfing/unnerfing the wrong things..The system was fine just how it was implemented over and over and over changing monthly is were it went wrong..Dont blame the System blame the systems Devs, they broke it not the player base..

Just so you know balance is a farce, why play something to be just like everyone else? No Dev in the world can ever balance the people behind the keyboards.I like a challenge and a goal to work towards that is rewarding..But i also want a system in place thats fair to all but has risk-rewards system in place.Being just like everyone else with no hope of being better is bland and boring..That system is in every other MMO and game..Swg Had it right just no vision and constantly changing the ruleset of the core..

BTW dont matter now cause easy mode SWG is in and this system is long Dead now..Too bad most didnt see how well the system had checks and balances in place.Any profession could beat another in the right combinations..Even the Quote broken lame ones with the right player behind them..

xPaladin · May 2007

Originally posted by Dvol

Um most who played as a Jedi would disagree...We had a balance bar called force, and at one time a risk system that kept us in check..Jedi were hidden pre9 for the most part but due to all the cries and whines most of the risk system was revamped poorly.But in reality Jedi were very good vs range and meh vs melee..Was reallt based on the player some excelled while others couldnt grasp their abilities.
As with all this talk of imbalance you had to think about what was in place at certain points in SWG..When the Risk was removed Jedi flourished but still balanced within the system itself.A good player could whipe a jedi out in no time cause they out lasted his/her force bar..I learned to play in each system adjusting my pvp toons accordingly.Sadly most just complained about things that had a strength and weakness built into each build..
SOE could never get the right risk system without nerfing/unnerfing the wrong things..The system was fine just how it was implemented over and over and over changing monthly is were it went wrong..Dont blame the System blame the systems Devs, they broke it not the player base..

QFT!

Jedi were brilliantly balanced, and my first encounters with them were fairly exhilarating. Quite a few ran away from me and forced me to chase them all over the map. Once everyone and their mother was a jedi (eg, "Jedi Kooshball") they really lost their luster.

I was also able to kill a multitude of people with my semi-stacked smuggler combo. Perhaps the most gimped "combat" profession in the game made viable by skillful play, decent gear, and template flexibility.

Rollotamasi · May 2007

"You want to know why I'm Angry?"

Not really.

0k21 · May 2007

Whiners? Your calling us whiners after what SOE and now it seems Blizzard as well has reduced the Gaming Industry to? That's pathetic, really sad and pathetic, you should go and take a read at what SOE and Blizzard have been doing lately with their games, IGE executives? Game based credit cards? They're turning games people play into money shills and I'm getting sick of it.

Superman0X · May 2007

Originally posted by hubertgrove

That is why I am still angry. Why don't you get it SOE?

Let me get this... You are angry because a few years ago SOE screwed up thier game, and lost your business?

I think you need to get over it, or seek professional help. This isnt a life changing event (like a natural disaster or war), it is a game. If you cant deal with that, you have more serious problems.

Originally posted by 0k21

Whiners? Your calling us whiners after what SOE and now it seems Blizzard as well has reduced the Gaming Industry to? That's pathetic, really sad and pathetic, you should go and take a read at what SOE and Blizzard have been doing lately with their games, IGE executives? Game based credit cards? They're turning games people play into money shills and I'm getting sick of it.

You are angry because the companies that make these games are trying to make as much money as possible from them (i.e. maximize thier returns).

It seems to me that both of you are just whining about nothing... and that would rather become outcast to society, than try to fix any of your 'percieved' problems. If your goal is to become disdained and to be treated as less than human (i.e. internet troll) then you are on the right path...

irukandji · May 2007

Originally posted by 0k21

Whiners? Your calling us whiners after what SOE and now it seems Blizzard as well has reduced the Gaming Industry to? That's pathetic, really sad and pathetic, you should go and take a read at what SOE and Blizzard have been doing lately with their games, IGE executives? Game based credit cards? They're turning games people play into money shills and I'm getting sick of it.

Hey, I had to block that same intellectual midget a few months back- only person ever. I suggest you do the same. He admittedly only comes here to flame and troll. I guess he gets his kicks from other people's grief. So, while many people here might be sad or "pathetic", he is a sadist. Pure and simple. I am serious about the block. I read your post and had no idea who were mad at and then I saw the name with the block. It seems to even incense people like this more when they know people are ignoring them. My armchair psychology says Mom and Dad must not have loved them enough as a child.

Rollotamasi · May 2007

Originally posted by 0k21

Whiners? Your calling us whiners after what SOE and now it seems Blizzard as well has reduced the Gaming Industry to? That's pathetic, really sad and pathetic, you should go and take a read at what SOE and Blizzard have been doing lately with their games, IGE executives? Game based credit cards? They're turning games people play into money shills and I'm getting sick of it.

It's a BUSINESS. Its there to make MONEY. If you don't like the way Blizzard and SOE are developing their games and what they are doing to the games market then start a independent game company and make a game for the love of it. Face it. Game companies don't spend millions developing game, millions paying employee's and millions for equipment/etc for your entertainment. They do it to make money. Bitching at SOE/Blizzard or any other game company for not having your best interests at heart is like bitching at Mcdonald's for not watching out for your health. Its not their job. Their job is to make money. The power the consumer has is the power of the purse. The power to take their money elsewhere.

terrorantula · May 2007

Another Jedi crying because he's not uber anymore : Tbh stop moaning, people spent just as much time on their professions as you to be shafted like crafters but they don't make posts crying all the time. Noone said you have play the game for 2 years grinding up Jedi did they?

The box said "gameplay might change" or w/e so accept it.

Freaking Jedi ruined the game and broke the economy and turned everything in the game about them, and they're still crying.

irukandji · May 2007

Another blocked post. I guess I hit the nail on the head. /yawn.

Sethon · May 2007

The game may be a repetitive, boring, and have nothing to do, but it's still the best MMO out there IMO.

The community just surpasses any that I've ever seen in an MMO. Which is why I still play.

So, don't whine about how horrible it is, respect what it's got right now.

FreelancerA4 · May 2007

I can't respect something that doesn't deserve it. They took the game I loved, tore out its guts, and left it to die and rot on the ground in a pool of its own blood. When something changes that drastically and what its turned into is a horrid monstrosity in comparison to what it was before, all you can respect is what it once was.

JestorRodo · May 2007

hubertgrove , I for one knows your pain . Its a shame that the game has monkey wrenched out of existence. ---We must move on but never forget ---- nor forgive.

ArcheusCross · May 2007

Originally posted by JestorRodo

hubertgrove , I for one knows your pain . Its a shame that the game has monkey wrenched out of existence. ---We must move on but never forget ---- nor forgive.

I agree. We should never forget. We should constantly remind the whole genre what soe did to their game. Its pathetic the lack of innovation or out of the box thinking with developers when swg was nuked, and even worse when WoW came out.

Never forget.... because history may repeat itself.

Deathstrike2 · May 2007

Sounds to me like the OP had 2 years of fun with the game, but isn't satisfied with that. He thought it'd last forever.... MMOs change, people change, sh*t happens. Move on.

viza · May 2007

Originally posted by Kyleran

But despite all that Hubert...you have to let it go....its dead, its gone, the time you spent isn't coming back (there is a lesson in there somewhere btw). There's some new games that you probably can find some enjoyment in.... if only you'll let the past go.....

dude I've played 8 games since CU and none grabbed me the way SWG did before the CU.

I let it go LOL. I still play because my son loves star wars, but the game isn't nearly as cool as it was before it became "iconic" and "more starwarsy".

Eve: boring.

DDO: banned (see my post over in DDO Suggestions to see why)

Guild Wars: I don't think I need to say anything LOL.

WoW: you're kidding right? I played this for 2 weeks and couldn't bring myself to pay for it. Too Disney for my taste.

Vanguard and EQII: SWG CU with different costumes. If you haven't played all three say nothing. If you don't see it, you must be blind.

DaoC: blech

Anarchy Online: people pay for this?

Second Life: MMOPornG or Many Men Online Role Playing Girls? Not sure.

LOTRO: It's a turbine game See DDO.

There's a couple that I am forgetting about but yea, I've played other games and let it go. I came back because my son saw it in the store a couple of weeks ago and wanted to try it. I already had 2 accounts ground up so what the hell. He loves it. I wasn't really even a "star wars freak" before I started playing. I loved the game for what it was, an RPG with a damn good skill and crafting system I could play with my friends. I started playing because a friend of mine played.

-Viz

deputy1389 · May 2007

start looking at aoc it looks cool. i used to play swg pre nge then nge then quit

suske · May 2007

Originally posted by Deathstrike2

Sounds to me like the OP had 2 years of fun with the game, but isn't satisfied with that. He thought it'd last forever.... MMOs change, people change, sh*t happens. Move on.

i agree thant sh*t happens. just like the excrement that i see onscreen when i fire up swg these days.

hubertgrove · May 2007

Originally posted by Kyleran

But despite all that Hubert...you have to let it go....its dead, its gone, the time you spent isn't coming back (there is a lesson in there somewhere btw). There's some new games that you probably can find some enjoyment in.... if only you'll let the past go.....

I disagree. I don't think I - and those others who think like me - should let it go. Why not? Becuase it does not have to be 'dead' and 'gone'. Not if we put up a big enough fuss and keep doing so until SOE recogises that it doesn't make business or brand sense not to exhume SWG Classic.

In the meantime and for my own amusement, here are a list of things of which everyone said 'it's dead, it's gone' and it turned out that they were neither;

Tinkerbell

Classic Coke

Futurama

Jesus Christ

Sherlock Holmes

Sean Connery as James Bond

Oh, and not forgetting,

Obi Wan Kenobi who had more screentime dead than he ever did alive.

hubertgrove · May 2007

Originally posted by SeeMeFearMe

Actually, I'm mad that Jedi were ever introduced to fuck this game up. What an amazing game this was when it came out, now it is a shadow of its former self. All because of Jedi and bad Live designers. I'm a Star Wars fan first and foremost, so the introduction of Jedi in a period where there were only THREE was pretty annoying.

Jedi were imbalanced and it didn't many the 2 years you spent to obtain all that, I obtained the same results within months. It wasn't hard. This isn't the point though. Hopefully if Bioware is making a KOTOR game we can all just finally enjoy a Jedi oriented game where we won't be nerfed or balanced to be on par with non-force sensitive classes.

I can see your point but, he he, I still think it's wrong.

I do believe, that properly handled, an Alpha Profession could have worked much, much better.

There were plenty of solutions that SOE could have considered rather than simply 'nerf'' jedi because non-jedi weren't willing to reconfigure their templates into jedi-beating specs (and there were plenty of them).

Option 1 - Take Jedi out of the W and put them in their own Lightside vs Sith War

Option 2 - add other competitive alpha classes alongside jied - from Emperor's Hands to Antaran Rangers to Nightsisters to Royal Guards thus turning the game from a two-tiered combat system to a three-tiered one.

I am sure that anyone who doesn't like the 'hard earned alpha class' idea can pick holes with both these options but at least these options are more imaginative, constructive and positive than the solution that SOE did come up with at the behest of those who didn't want to be and couldn't fight jedi.

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