My god, you do know that it wasn't veganism itself that killed the baby don't you? It was ignorant parents, not veganism. Seriously for some of you who claim to be so well educated and open-minded. Reprimand the parents for their stupidity, but don't give them a life sentence unless they purposely killed the baby. Sure they were ignorant, but hopefully they will learn. If not then give a life sentence, I'm pretty certain that these parents are incredibly sad that their child died. I seriously doubt they're just sitting around eating salads and saying, "Hey where'd they baby go?"
your right it is getting kind of off track. even if they were meat eatting barbaric hunters such as myself i would still say they deserved to die. they were responsible for a defensless life that could no more care for itself than a rock. it never occured to them to go to the hospital as their child lost weight and died? to be honest after reading alex's post i feel it was a combination of forceing a vegan diet on a life that cant be sustained by such and neglect.
if you read his post you will see that the medical examiners said the child was so emaciated (sp?) that you could count the childs ribs. babys are fat and rolly polly and thats the way they are supposed to be . And give them another change to kill a second child? i dont think so. the case is being made on neglect.
The parents also claimed not to know there was anything wrong until the last few minutes of life. If the child weighed only 3 1/2 pounds and you could count the ribs and see all its bones, no they knew something was wrong.
your right it is getting kind of off track. even if they were meat eatting barbaric hunters such as myself i would still say they deserved to die. they were responsible for a defensless life that could no more care for itself than a rock. it never occured to them to go to the hospital as their child lost weight and died? to be honest after reading alex's post i feel it was a combination of forceing a vegan diet on a life that cant be sustained by such and neglect.
if you read his post you will see that the medical examiners said the child was so emaciated (sp?) that you could count the childs ribs. babys are fat and rolly polly and thats the way they are supposed to be . And give them another change to kill a second child? i dont think so. the case is being made on neglect.
Well maybe they should give the guy a mandatory vessectamy(sp?) or if you really want to be teach him a lesson, how about we cut his balls off. I still think a life sentence is a bit too harsh for this.
and no I don't like the death penalty if your going to try to bring that up
My god, you do know that it wasn't veganism itself that killed the baby don't you? It was ignorant parents, not veganism. Seriously for some of you who claim to be so well educated and open-minded. Reprimand the parents for their stupidity, but don't give them a life sentence unless they purposely killed the baby. Sure they were ignorant, but hopefully they will learn. If not then give a life sentence, I'm pretty certain that these parents are incredibly sad that their child died. I seriously doubt they're just sitting around eating salads and saying, "Hey where'd they baby go?"
Unfortunately, ignorance of the law and life is no alibi. They should and are receiving the correct punishment for their crime.
That said, unless they were mentally retarded, they knew the child was starving.
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Well maybe they should give the guy a mandatory vessectamy(sp?) or if you really want to be teach him a lesson, how about we cut his balls off.
Excellent suggestion. Of course, the PC liberal crowd would oppose it as being "inhumane".
Unfortunately, ignorance of the law and life is no alibi. They should and are receiving the correct punishment for their crime.
That said, unless they were mentally retarded, they knew the child was starving.
That's what I was saying if they knew what was going on then they deserve every bit of their punishment, but otherwise they deserve lots of serious counseling.
Since I don't know how to add another quote in edit I'll answer this way:
Ironically I am a what may be called a Liberal, but I am in know way PC. I think the castration would make a great example of the infant vegan diet. We probably shouldn't make children under 10 vegans
Do we seriously have to blame the diet of the parents? Yes they were vegans, but I can find many meat-eating parents that killed their child in horrific ways, but would I blame the parents death based on the fact that they were meat-eaters? No.
Also the OP's "Full Story" was NOT EVEN CLOSE to a "Full" story:
There ya go. Veganism wasn't a factor, it was stupidity which actually exists in meat-eaters as well *gasp*.
"veganism, a strict form of vegetarianism that doesn't allow the consumption or use of animal products. Instead, jurors believed prosecutors' assertions that the couple intentionally neglected and underfed the child and then tried to use the lifestyle as a shield."
Taken directly from the article...I suppose Alex is right...though I still stand by my assertion that there is nothing that makes veganism healthier or more enlightened than any other diet.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
So instead of trying our best, you suggest we quit? Sorry but vegans do help other things like help the environment to a great extent as well.
As long as you bring Veggan alternatives to diner instead of demand your host not serve meat to anyone, I think you'll do okay in my book.
That's exactly what I do.
But if I don't mess with your leafy greens, you don't mess with my meat.
Yep.
I have strong feelings about veganism and you all have read them but in the real world I am not rude or confrontational to make someone feel guilty. I talk about it though, and in fact I am always the one who is asked about my veganism based on what I eat, because I am the only one without any meat in most cases.
So it's ironic because I am always told about vegans being militant, but it's the meat eaters who interrogate me about my salad =P
I swear this video is very close to reality for a lot of vegans including me : http://youtube.com/watch?v=hMpHF2a-IJY(although the honey part varies among vegans)
I have a strong spiritual desire to slay a wild boar and cook and consume the beast on my own. No seriously, I do. I need to get a hunting license and go out with da boyz, pigs are a nuisance animal in Florida, it would helping mother nature....
Btw, to everyone else, vegan babies are brought up all the time. It's easy and natural...we call it "breastmilk" from a "human" seeing as that is designed by nature to feed baby humans, and as such, cow's milk is designed by nature to feed...*drum roll*...baby cows!
There are vegan alternatives specialized for babies and there are guides to raising a baby vegan. In the end it will require time and thought to feed vegan children. Shouldn't feeding of any child require time and thought? Of course.
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Btw, to everyone else, vegan babies are brought up all the time. It's easy and natural...we call it "breastmilk" from a "human" seeing as that is designed by nature to feed baby humans, and as such, cow's milk is designed by nature to feed...*drum roll*...baby cows!
There are vegan alternatives specialized for babies and there are guides to raising a baby vegan. In the end it will require time and thought to feed vegan children. Shouldn't feeding of any child require time and thought? Of course.
My parents raised me on a combination of goat blood and pulverized hog entrails, suckled lovingly from a wolf's heart with a little straw sticking out of it, and I turned out just fine!
My parents raised me on a combination of goat blood and pulverized hog entrails, suckled lovingly from a wolf's heart with a little straw sticking out of it, and I turned out just fine!
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Now to the important part of this topic... I DEMAND that the makers of soymilk now add this warning to their products
WARNING: Drinking soy milk may cause DEATH!
I wholy support the views of the quoted poster..
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I always knew vegans were evil bastards
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Wow...couldn't they feed their kid some animal-byproduct-free animal food or something? Like those mashed potatoes or something...I completely agree with the verdict, that's just horrible.
Why yell at soybean place teh parents are the ones who starved it. Soy milk is givin to a baby if the allergic to real milk as i know of.
soy formula is given to them there is a big differance. soy formula is fortified with the stuff that babys need minus the lactos which is what they are allergic to.
Damn vegetarians...soon all animals will be dead because of them. Why..? Its cause theyl eat all the animals food away >.>
Anyway I 100% agree with the verdict, oh btw there is a vegetarian kid in our class so me and my m8's decidet to force feed him meat treets at the end of the school year, wish us luck !
Damn vegetarians...soon all animals will be dead because of them. Why..? Its cause theyl eat all the animals food away >.>
Anyway I 100% agree with the verdict, oh btw there is a vegetarian kid in our class so me and my m8's decidet to force feed him meat treets at the end of the school year, wish us luck !
I hope you all get suspended if you go through with that plan.
Anywhoo...Today I read something written by a vegan about how we need to stop eating meat because raising cattle takes so much land...well uhh...do they not realize that the manure from the cattle that we eat is used as fertilizer for their precious vegetables? I'm just sayin......
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Damn vegetarians...soon all animals will be dead because of them. Why..? Its cause theyl eat all the animals food away >.>
Anyway I 100% agree with the verdict, oh btw there is a vegetarian kid in our class so me and my m8's decidet to force feed him meat treets at the end of the school year, wish us luck !
I hope you all get suspended if you go through with that plan.
Anywhoo...Today I read something written by a vegan about how we need to stop eating meat because raising cattle takes so much land...well uhh...do they not realize that the manure from the cattle that we eat is used as fertilizer for their precious vegetables? I'm just sayin......
force feeding someone anything is wrong and its assault brother..............anyway dude i never thought of that good point cattle manure makes up the majority of natural fertaliser. good catch man ill have to remember that one.
maybe they where going for the thin chic baby look. you model style..
.. . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . i know bad joke but hay. those parents needed to read more its like moms to be that are like 7 months in asking my wife at work what they should do. WE DONT HAVE KIDS! most of raising kids is common scence but if you really have that many questions and you havent reserched anything before getting preggers dont have fing kids for gods sake. arg arg arg!!! damn you charlie brown
Would people stop ignorantly talking about vegan/vegetarian health concerns? America is a very large (I think largest) consumer of meat and dairy and we are also one of the sickest nations in the world. I've seen European shows joke about America because we're fat/obese for god sakes and it's true. We are a very fat nation, and very sick. Have you guys seen the top killers in America? Heart disease, cancer, and bunch of other very similar stuff. Do you know what they suggest you do? Eat more veggies and fruits and a better diet overall plus exercise and stuff. So they're saying America's meat and dairy based diet is the number one killer in America...just connect the dots! So stfu about vegans needing to watch their diet and look in the f'ing mirror.
"Anywhoo...Today I read something written by a vegan about how we need to stop eating meat because raising cattle takes so much land
That is true.
...well uhh...do they not realize that the manure from the cattle that we eat is used as fertilizer for their precious vegetables? I'm just sayin......"
This does not address the vegan's argument. If the cows did not have to be eaten then we wouldn't have to take so much land to feed everyone. If we let the cows live for their entire life then we would get plenty of manure because they would crapping soooo much more than before when cows would die earlier and therefore need to make more cows on more land to have more crap because of their shortened lives.
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
Would people stop ignorantly talking about vegan/vegetarian health concerns? America is a very large (I think largest) consumer of meat and dairy and we are also one of the sickest nations in the world. I've seen European shows joke about America because we're fat/obese for god sakes and it's true. We are a very fat nation, and very sick. Have you guys seen the top killers in America? Heart disease, cancer, and bunch of other very similar stuff. Do you know what they suggest you do? Eat more veggies and fruits and a better diet overall plus exercise and stuff. So they're saying America's meat and dairy based diet is the number one killer in America...just connect the dots! So stfu about vegans needing to watch their diet and look in the f'ing mirror.
"Anywhoo...Today I read something written by a vegan about how we need to stop eating meat because raising cattle takes so much land
That is true.
...well uhh...do they not realize that the manure from the cattle that we eat is used as fertilizer for their precious vegetables? I'm just sayin......"
This does not address the vegan's argument. If the cows did not have to be eaten then we wouldn't have to take so much land to feed everyone. If we let the cows live for their entire life then we would get plenty of manure because they would crapping soooo much more than before when cows would die earlier and therefore need to make more cows on more land to have more crap because of their shortened lives.
The fact that we are the fattest nation in the world has nothing to do with the fact that we eat a lot of meat...it has to do with the fact that the American work weak is one of the longest in the world, and there is more fast food readily available.
Also, you don't know what argument I was arguing against because I didn't paste the essay into the post, stop making assumptions about things.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
The fact that we are the fattest nation in the world has nothing to do with the fact that we eat a lot of meat...it has to do with the fact that the American work weak is one of the longest in the world, and there is more fast food readily available.
It does have to do with eating a lot of meat. Americans eat more meat than is healthy and not enough veggies. Rather than 1 serving of meat at a meal in the US people tend to eat 3 or more and often with less than a serving of veggies. Work week has little t do with it, poorer countries work more and have access to less healthy food and yet there are almost as physically healthy often, which is pathetic.
There isn't much faster and easier to store food than fruit, but Americans hardly eat enough. The american diet is seriously messed up. Nothing wrong with eating meat, but don't eat so much and eat grains/veggies/fruits for more of your caloriesyou will quickly become healthier.
Um dude the U.S may have the fattest people in the word, but we also have the toughest people alongside with Japan, China, Some Europeans. Maybe some french kid did make fun of us, but at least we did be able to bend the french in two since alot of americans have better muscle and french are pussies with no muscle. We also invented the american muscle cars which did own any other car any day.
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if you read his post you will see that the medical examiners said the child was so emaciated (sp?) that you could count the childs ribs. babys are fat and rolly polly and thats the way they are supposed to be . And give them another change to kill a second child? i dont think so. the case is being made on neglect.
Well maybe they should give the guy a mandatory vessectamy(sp?) or if you really want to be teach him a lesson, how about we cut his balls off. I still think a life sentence is a bit too harsh for this.
and no I don't like the death penalty if your going to try to bring that up
That said, unless they were mentally retarded, they knew the child was starving.
Excellent suggestion. Of course, the PC liberal crowd would oppose it as being "inhumane".
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That's what I was saying if they knew what was going on then they deserve every bit of their punishment, but otherwise they deserve lots of serious counseling.
Since I don't know how to add another quote in edit I'll answer this way:
Ironically I am a what may be called a Liberal, but I am in know way PC. I think the castration would make a great example of the infant vegan diet. We probably shouldn't make children under 10 vegans
"veganism, a strict form of vegetarianism that doesn't allow the consumption or use of animal products. Instead, jurors believed prosecutors' assertions that the couple intentionally neglected and underfed the child and then tried to use the lifestyle as a shield."
Taken directly from the article...I suppose Alex is right...though I still stand by my assertion that there is nothing that makes veganism healthier or more enlightened than any other diet.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
As long as you bring Veggan alternatives to diner instead of demand your host not serve meat to anyone, I think you'll do okay in my book.
That's exactly what I do.
But if I don't mess with your leafy greens, you don't mess with my meat.
Yep.
I have strong feelings about veganism and you all have read them but in the real world I am not rude or confrontational to make someone feel guilty. I talk about it though, and in fact I am always the one who is asked about my veganism based on what I eat, because I am the only one without any meat in most cases.
So it's ironic because I am always told about vegans being militant, but it's the meat eaters who interrogate me about my salad =P
I swear this video is very close to reality for a lot of vegans including me : http://youtube.com/watch?v=hMpHF2a-IJY (although the honey part varies among vegans)
I have a strong spiritual desire to slay a wild boar and cook and consume the beast on my own. No seriously, I do. I need to get a hunting license and go out with da boyz, pigs are a nuisance animal in Florida, it would helping mother nature....
Btw, to everyone else, vegan babies are brought up all the time. It's easy and natural...we call it "breastmilk" from a "human" seeing as that is designed by nature to feed baby humans, and as such, cow's milk is designed by nature to feed...*drum roll*...baby cows!
There are vegan alternatives specialized for babies and there are guides to raising a baby vegan. In the end it will require time and thought to feed vegan children. Shouldn't feeding of any child require time and thought? Of course.
______________________________
"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
Now to the important part of this topic... I DEMAND that the makers of soymilk now add this warning to their products
WARNING: Drinking soy milk may cause DEATH!
______________________________
"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
OnT: /agree with everyone saying it's not the veganism, it's the ignorant (supposedly) parents who deserve everything the law can thow at them.
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Life sucks, buy a helmet.
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I always knew vegans were evil bastards
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Why yell at soybean place teh parents are the ones who starved it. Soy milk is givin to a baby if the allergic to real milk as i know of.
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with all the media, internet, books, magazines, health care centers, FORUMS, etc... there's less excuse to not "know" how anymore
Anyway I 100% agree with the verdict, oh btw there is a vegetarian kid in our class so me and my m8's decidet to force feed him meat treets at the end of the school year, wish us luck !
I hope you all get suspended if you go through with that plan.
Anywhoo...Today I read something written by a vegan about how we need to stop eating meat because raising cattle takes so much land...well uhh...do they not realize that the manure from the cattle that we eat is used as fertilizer for their precious vegetables? I'm just sayin......
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
I hope you all get suspended if you go through with that plan.
Anywhoo...Today I read something written by a vegan about how we need to stop eating meat because raising cattle takes so much land...well uhh...do they not realize that the manure from the cattle that we eat is used as fertilizer for their precious vegetables? I'm just sayin......
force feeding someone anything is wrong and its assault brother..............anyway dude i never thought of that good point cattle manure makes up the majority of natural fertaliser. good catch man ill have to remember that one.
maybe they where going for the thin chic baby look. you model style..
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i know bad joke but hay. those parents needed to read more its like moms to be that are like 7 months in asking my wife at work what they should do. WE DONT HAVE KIDS! most of raising kids is common scence but if you really have that many questions and you havent reserched anything before getting preggers dont have fing kids for gods sake. arg arg arg!!! damn you charlie brown
"Anywhoo...Today I read something written by a vegan about how we need to stop eating meat because raising cattle takes so much land
That is true.
...well uhh...do they not realize that the manure from the cattle that we eat is used as fertilizer for their precious vegetables? I'm just sayin......"
This does not address the vegan's argument. If the cows did not have to be eaten then we wouldn't have to take so much land to feed everyone. If we let the cows live for their entire life then we would get plenty of manure because they would crapping soooo much more than before when cows would die earlier and therefore need to make more cows on more land to have more crap because of their shortened lives.
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The fact that we are the fattest nation in the world has nothing to do with the fact that we eat a lot of meat...it has to do with the fact that the American work weak is one of the longest in the world, and there is more fast food readily available.
Also, you don't know what argument I was arguing against because I didn't paste the essay into the post, stop making assumptions about things.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
It does have to do with eating a lot of meat. Americans eat more meat than is healthy and not enough veggies. Rather than 1 serving of meat at a meal in the US people tend to eat 3 or more and often with less than a serving of veggies. Work week has little t do with it, poorer countries work more and have access to less healthy food and yet there are almost as physically healthy often, which is pathetic.
There isn't much faster and easier to store food than fruit, but Americans hardly eat enough. The american diet is seriously messed up. Nothing wrong with eating meat, but don't eat so much and eat grains/veggies/fruits for more of your caloriesyou will quickly become healthier.