Official: MMORPG voters don't know their ass from their elbow when it comes to what makes a good MMO

Vonbek · May 2007

LOTRO is uninspired and deeply ordinary - yet there it is at the top of the ratings!

Discuss.

iffymack · May 2007

what in your opinion makes a good MMO?

Lashers · May 2007

I have played many MMOs since EQ and that is exactly where I think LoTR should be. At the top. It is a very enjoyable and addictive MMO and I am having more fun playing than I have with many other MMOs.

LoTR deserves to be at the top spot right now in my opinion.

uncus · May 2007

Hmmm... Over 1000 votes determining the average score vs 1 Vonbek... My guess is Vonbek doesn't know his ass from his elbow; I mean, I gotta go with the law of averages here.

SlickShoes · May 2007

its not ground breaking, BUT its fun, my friends are even playing it and the biggest shocker in the MMO world It actually WORKS! at release! how astounding, no wonder its top in a genre where unfnished games are released every week!

drowmage2003 · May 2007

I'm not sure LOTRO will be remembered as a revolutionary mmo, and the already established Tolkein cult following probably doesn't hurt sales either, but I must say that the Wow effect has only increased the farther I get into the game. As it stands Turbine has a whole lot of bug and mechanic fixes that need to be addressed (my friends character got deleted after a simple crash yesterday) and has turned away alot of the beginning sales. The community on my server is amazing! I travel around with 4-6 people that I know on a first name basis, but that I don't know in RL, and we just have an absolute blast. So I don't really care if people rate this mmo as childishly simple or a clone of its predessors, I'm having the time of my life that can only be comparable to my early EQ days.

Turbine Bad!

LOTRO Good!

Gangster-Man · May 2007

The problem about the voting process is that a lot of people (not everyone) who vote don't wanna give the game they are playing a 6-7-8-9 score cause then they would be telling themselves their game has flaws and letting other potential games know this. People want their game to look like gold and get as many subs in so the game does better and improves and adds content faster.

Also, as far as the ratings go, the game has a high score simply because it launched well, and it was compared to some not to successful mmo launches. The problem here is that you simply cant vote based on your feelings on the past trend, but this is not something that will ever change.

The game is very fun for some, very bland to others, but in all it has no real "impact" or "revolutionary ideas" on the mmo industry, and thats a reason why a lot of people are upset, is because this game didnt bring a whole lot to the table and was judge based on other mmos.

Anyways thats my 2 gil.

Daffid011 · May 2007

Some people are just to beaten down to understand that the market for games has a higher standard than buggy half finished games that are filled with promises of future potential. Respect it for what it is. LOTRO may not be a game to your tastes, but it does exactly what it sets out to do in a very full featured way. It works, looks great, has thought put into many aspects, shoots for realistic looks over anime fantasy and hits the mark very well on launch. Free content already announced, a twist on PvP and more. So what if it doesn't break the mold or change the entire genre. The industry as a whole is stronger because of its release.

It may not be some MMO for hardcore or replace whatever your current fancy is, but give props to Turbine for making a solid game. Lord knows we need more releases of this magnitude to put an end to SWG/Vanguardesque beta style launches.

P.S. The ratings here mean absolutely nothing. A bunch of jaded gamers having an epeen fight over the number next to a game is about as shallow as it gets.

BadSpock · May 2007

i'm sure it's fun and people enjoy it, good for you.

I just love PVP too much, and LOTRO monster player aint my idea of fun PVP.

CognetoJoe · May 2007

Originally posted by heerobya

i'm sure it's fun and people enjoy it, good for you.
I just love PVP too much, and LOTRO monster player aint my idea of fun PVP.

Wasn't mine eaither, til I played it for a month.

Kyleran · May 2007

Originally posted by heerobya

i'm sure it's fun and people enjoy it, good for you.
I just love PVP too much, and LOTRO monster player aint my idea of fun PVP.

/nod.... I understand, you like to gank.... you're right..none of that in LotRO.

As to ratings, I haven't voted yet, because I think I should get a bit further into the game than level 22 to make a truely informed rating of the game......

Even though I like it... I won't be dropping all 9's / 10's on the game.... its not perfect....but it is pretty fun at times....

JonMichael · May 2007

Originally posted by drowmage2003

I'm not sure LOTRO will be remembered as a revolutionary mmo, and the already established Tolkein cult following probably doesn't hurt sales either, but I must say that the Wow effect has only increased the farther I get into the game. As it stands Turbine has a whole lot of bug and mechanic fixes that need to be addressed (my friends character got deleted after a simple crash yesterday) and has turned away alot of the beginning sales. The community on my server is amazing! I travel around with 4-6 people that I know on a first name basis, but that I don't know in RL, and we just have an absolute blast. So I don't really care if people rate this mmo as childishly simple or a clone of its predessors, I'm having the time of my life that can only be comparable to my early EQ days.
Turbine Bad!
LOTRO Good!

Can you elaborate on the bugs and mechanic fixes that are needed? I've been in beta since January and have never heard of characters being deleted or numerous bugs. There have been some and some that still need fixed, but certainly not enough for them to be turning sales away.

Honestly, I applaud Turbine for such a successful and smooth launch compared to some of the unfinished games released recently.

JonMichael · May 2007

Originally posted by Gangster-Man

The problem about the voting process is that a lot of people (not everyone) who vote don't wanna give the game they are playing a 6-7-8-9 score cause then they would be telling themselves their game has flaws and letting other potential games know this. People want their game to look like gold and get as many subs in so the game does better and improves and adds content faster.
Also, as far as the ratings go, the game has a high score simply because it launched well, and it was compared to some not to successful mmo launches. The problem here is that you simply cant vote based on your feelings on the past trend, but this is not something that will ever change.
The game is very fun for some, very bland to others, but in all it has no real "impact" or "revolutionary ideas" on the mmo industry, and thats a reason why a lot of people are upset, is because this game didnt bring a whole lot to the table and was judge based on other mmos.
Anyways thats my 2 gil.

The good thing is, Turbine never promised it to be 3rd generation, groundbreaking or revolutionary. What they did deliver is a solid, fun and immersive MMO that is fun to play and being enjoyed by a very large community.

The only way people can be upset is that they were expecting something that wasn't promised in the first place.

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Lashers · May 2007

Originally posted by Manveru
Originally posted by Vonbek

LOTRO is uninspired and deeply ordinary - yet there it is at the top of the ratings!
Discuss.

<Mod edit>

Yikes! That's a little harsh.

Canis · May 2007

Originally posted by Gangster-Man

The problem about the voting process is that a lot of people (not everyone) who vote don't wanna give the game they are playing a 6-7-8-9 score cause then they would be telling themselves their game has flaws and letting other potential games know this. People want their game to look like gold and get as many subs in so the game does better and improves and adds content faster.
Anyways thats my 2 gil.

Why isn't the MMO with most subscribers way above the others? Because your hypothesis is wrong.

The chart is completely useless and the main reason is that what you say just isn't close to reality at all. DAoC has a fairly high rating and yet not many play it and especially in europe the servers are vacant. Why would you NOT play the MMO you think rocks... that is just beyond reason, as is using the chart for anything useful related to talking about the quality of the games.

It may or may not be a pointer for developers, but you would háve to consider who is voting, how often and why. It's a minority of the MMO population of the world that votes on that chart.

Sinfay · May 2007

Originally posted by Vonbek

LOTRO is uninspired and deeply ordinary - yet there it is at the top of the ratings!
Discuss.

It is deeply ordinary except for one thing: the Monster PvP. Like it or love it, the state of MMOs is that bad where even the smallest glint of creativity is rewarded one-hundred fold.

~S~

Liddokun · May 2007

Again, to all the LOTRO detractors and naysayers. Post a detailed review on what you don't like the game. Don't just say "I don't like the pvp system" or "I don't like the bugs in it" or what you think is bland about the game. If you don't like the pvp system then write what you don't like about it. If you don't like the bugs then write about what bugs you think broke the game for you. Learn how to elaborate and write a cohesive review reinforcing your opinion. People who don't defend their accusations are just shooting fart out of their asses.

Ethanael · May 2007

It's typical to see games float at the top of the list when they are first released here on MMORPG. The same thing happened with Vanguard, and you know where that went. Bottom line is that It's to early for that rating to have any justification. Give it time to settle.

Regards,

Gangster-Man · May 2007

Originally posted by Canis

Originally posted by Gangster-Man

The problem about the voting process is that a lot of people (not everyone) who vote don't wanna give the game they are playing a 6-7-8-9 score cause then they would be telling themselves their game has flaws and letting other potential games know this. People want their game to look like gold and get as many subs in so the game does better and improves and adds content faster.
Anyways thats my 2 gil.

Why isn't the MMO with most subscribers way above the others? Because your hypothesis is wrong.

The chart is completely useless and the main reason is that what you say just isn't close to reality at all. DAoC has a fairly high rating and yet not many play it and especially in europe the servers are vacant. Why would you NOT play the MMO you think rocks... that is just beyond reason, as is using the chart for anything useful related to talking about the quality of the games.

It may or may not be a pointer for developers, but you would háve to consider who is voting, how often and why. It's a minority of the MMO population of the world that votes on that chart.

exactly, its a minority that votes, and I never said that the game with the most subs has the highest ratings. Please reread my statement, all I mentioned was that people don't like to admit that their new favorite game has flaws..

In any case, I believe in and all votes should have a 100-200 word minimum review to go with it to avoid the 0-10 givers, and also the votes should ahve to be screened firts before being counted. The fact that I can make countless accounts, write ten meaningless posts and sway the results makes no sense.

xxarelxx · May 2007

One very significant aspect that that vonbek and some others may be missing is its LOTRO. Think about how many fans of the books and movies there are. this gives them a chance to experience a fantastic world come to life. I was a part of beta and honestly even with the bugs the game played very well. The quests were very well done, the tradeskill system needed a bit of work, and the community was VERY friendly (unlike most mmo's these days that are infested with highly immature players). All in all it was just a very comfortable laid back game....if youre all about level level level and you dont care for plot, find another game.

seeyouspacec0wboy · May 2007

What makes a good game depends on the individual. Its fun to play, get over it and go home.

xxarelxx · May 2007

Originally posted by Gangster-Man

Originally posted by Canis

Originally posted by Gangster-Man

The problem about the voting process is that a lot of people (not everyone) who vote don't wanna give the game they are playing a 6-7-8-9 score cause then they would be telling themselves their game has flaws and letting other potential games know this. People want their game to look like gold and get as many subs in so the game does better and improves and adds content faster.
Anyways thats my 2 gil.

Why isn't the MMO with most subscribers way above the others? Because your hypothesis is wrong.

The chart is completely useless and the main reason is that what you say just isn't close to reality at all. DAoC has a fairly high rating and yet not many play it and especially in europe the servers are vacant. Why would you NOT play the MMO you think rocks... that is just beyond reason, as is using the chart for anything useful related to talking about the quality of the games.

It may or may not be a pointer for developers, but you would háve to consider who is voting, how often and why. It's a minority of the MMO population of the world that votes on that chart.

exactly, its a minority that votes, and I never said that the game with the most subs has the highest ratings. Please reread my statement, all I mentioned was that people don't like to admit that their new favorite game has flaws..

In any case, I believe in and all votes should have a 100-200 word minimum review to go with it to avoid the 0-10 givers, and also the votes should ahve to be screened firts before being counted. The fact that I can make countless accounts, write ten meaningless posts and sway the results makes no sense.

If someone lacks social skills to the point they create 10 accts to vote multiple times on a video game, theres some very deep seeded issues within that individual and I would A) stay away from them and

let them vote 10 times. obviously that game means a great deal to them.

smartkidz · May 2007

Just because you do not like a game does not mean everyone else has to. That is your opinion. Everyone else's opinion is that they like it. So do me a favor and stop complaining and saying you know what a good MMO is. Everyone has a different view on what a good MMO is. The keyword here is opinion. Thanks in advance.

BTW:I don't like this game but you don't see me complaining.

Parsifal57 · May 2007

Originally posted by Vonbek

LOTRO is uninspired and deeply ordinary - yet there it is at the top of the ratings!
Discuss.

People have different needs and requirments from games, just because someone has different preferences to you doesn't make them wrong.

Hairysun · May 2007

Originally posted by JonMichael

Originally posted by Gangster-Man

The problem about the voting process is that a lot of people (not everyone) who vote don't wanna give the game they are playing a 6-7-8-9 score cause then they would be telling themselves their game has flaws and letting other potential games know this. People want their game to look like gold and get as many subs in so the game does better and improves and adds content faster.
Also, as far as the ratings go, the game has a high score simply because it launched well, and it was compared to some not to successful mmo launches. The problem here is that you simply cant vote based on your feelings on the past trend, but this is not something that will ever change.
The game is very fun for some, very bland to others, but in all it has no real "impact" or "revolutionary ideas" on the mmo industry, and thats a reason why a lot of people are upset, is because this game didnt bring a whole lot to the table and was judge based on other mmos.
Anyways thats my 2 gil.

The good thing is, Turbine never promised it to be 3rd generation, groundbreaking or revolutionary. What they did deliver is a solid, fun and immersive MMO that is fun to play and being enjoyed by a very large community.

The only way people can be upset is that they were expecting something that wasn't promised in the first place.

This is it, right there in black and white...well....black and yellow now. Turbine has done EVERYTHING that they said they would do with this game. The fact of the matter is, to buy into "HYPE" related to anything is a mistake. Say I love movies and I go out and watch the latest box office hit. "Holly Shit, that was a phenomenal movie!" "I've never seen anything like it, by far the best movie I've seen in ages." That's "HYPE". Am I blowing smoke up your ass, trying to make you go see that movie? No, I'm voicing my opinion about an experience I had. That is what this site is all about. (scratch that) mostly about. (Scratch that too) supposed to be about. Peoples experiences playing mmorpgs.

Again, above in yellow, states the fact of the matter very clearly. QFT ~"The only way people can be upset is that they were expecting something that wasn't promised in the first place." Turbine clearly stated what they were trying to accomplish. In my opinion, they did an amazing job. I never bought into the "HYPE", and to be honest, expected to be let down. I was pleasantly suprised. I hav'n't voted on this game yet as I am waiting on the release of the expansion in June. This will be a big thing, or not I supose. If Turbine releases a bunch of bubblegum designed to keep me busy for a minute, both my opinion and vote will refelect that. As of right now the voting score is just. IMO.

Currently playing LotRO and enjoying every second of it....well....except when I die.

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