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Has WOW "ripped off" DAOC?
l2avism
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I know some people may have strong feelings about this post, but its been on my mind for a long time.
I have played both DAOC and WOW, I think wow stole most of its main concepts from DAOC and they forgot many of the ones that count.
Here is a list of some concepts in both games and how they are implemented:
1 RVR
in daoc, 3 realms alb vs hib vs mid
in wow, hoard vs alliance
2 battlegrounds
in daoc, everyone goes to the same bg, spaced apart by 5 lvls
in wow, you go to instanced bg's spaced apart by 10 lvls, very difficult to play if your -9 lvls from bg cap
3 crafting
both you aquire mats and spam a button 5000 times blowing alot of money rarely making any money
4 instanced pve
yea, but I never liked instances
5 pvp raids
daoc has relic raids as well as player organised "camping"
wow has mostly organised camping
6 market/auction system
both have some npc you access a market listing, but daoc doesnt have bidding
7 mounts
daoc has customisable mounts and you can get them earlier
wow has a smaller amount of mounts available and they all look like everyone elses-no mount gear
8 interuptable casting
daoc if your hit without some sort of counter-interupt, you cannot cast - very annoying
wow has a cast timer bar that goes backwards if you take hits - still annoying
..there is more but my fingers are tired
there are things that didnt carry over to wow such as player housing, frontiers seige, pvp ranks (well, wow had them but took them away), pve ranks, and IMO fun.
I know wow had some doing in DAOC's decline, but I think some of the patches as well as the illegal free shards are the real culprits to blame. To tell you the truth, most of wow's playerbase consists of newbs who did not come from other mmo's. It was wow that put mmo into their vocabulary, right after frag and wall hacks.
Now to the poll....
I have played both DAOC and WOW, I think wow stole most of its main concepts from DAOC and they forgot many of the ones that count.
Here is a list of some concepts in both games and how they are implemented:
1 RVR
in daoc, 3 realms alb vs hib vs mid
in wow, hoard vs alliance
2 battlegrounds
in daoc, everyone goes to the same bg, spaced apart by 5 lvls
in wow, you go to instanced bg's spaced apart by 10 lvls, very difficult to play if your -9 lvls from bg cap
3 crafting
both you aquire mats and spam a button 5000 times blowing alot of money rarely making any money
4 instanced pve
yea, but I never liked instances
5 pvp raids
daoc has relic raids as well as player organised "camping"
wow has mostly organised camping
6 market/auction system
both have some npc you access a market listing, but daoc doesnt have bidding
7 mounts
daoc has customisable mounts and you can get them earlier
wow has a smaller amount of mounts available and they all look like everyone elses-no mount gear
8 interuptable casting
daoc if your hit without some sort of counter-interupt, you cannot cast - very annoying
wow has a cast timer bar that goes backwards if you take hits - still annoying
..there is more but my fingers are tired
there are things that didnt carry over to wow such as player housing, frontiers seige, pvp ranks (well, wow had them but took them away), pve ranks, and IMO fun.
I know wow had some doing in DAOC's decline, but I think some of the patches as well as the illegal free shards are the real culprits to blame. To tell you the truth, most of wow's playerbase consists of newbs who did not come from other mmo's. It was wow that put mmo into their vocabulary, right after frag and wall hacks.
Now to the poll....
Comments
-Currently looking forward to FFXIV
-Currently playing EvE and Global Agenda
This is not a "I hate wow just because and I'm on a witch-hunt to find reasons to hate wow" post.
I played wow for about 6 months, but I played DAOC for almost 2 years. I thought about how much I like DAOC so I tried WOW, but it turns out WOW wasn't the game I was looking for. I think warhammer will turn out to be more like WOW than DAOC (based on exibits at e3 and the basic pregame hype), so I probably won't try it.
And please, if you have not played DAOC and WOW then don't reply.
Vangaurd is more of an everquest clone than a wow/daoc clone. I did not like everquest, so I didn't try vanguard.
-Currently looking forward to FFXIV
-Currently playing EvE and Global Agenda
Lets just skip to the end and point out how they are all just based on Dungeons and Dragons or Chainmail for the really elderly.
/end thread
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Which brings up another sad topic, possibly another thread later, why do game developers even try to use the same template for every game they make?
If Hollywood simply used the same or slightly modified script in every movie and just changed names and actors and rereleased movies would it work there?..no. Then why does it work in mmo's? are we simply that fickle?
And yes, we are that fickle. That and the fact is there are always newbs who will think its original and breathe life into a pointless, unoriginal, easy game... Like WoW. The majority of people who like WoW are total noobs that wouldn't know a good MMO because they've never played one.
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For every decent movie released, there are a dozen copy cat films.
Its a game genre not yet developed fully and most of devs are afraid of not making a game that will give profit
(Yes profit! Tht's what's all about)
So they tend to chose formulas that are proven already.
DAoC and WoW are great hits
WAR is the next sucessor of DAoC and LoTRO will probably rival iwth WoW in terms of RP and PvE
However games like GW proved tht something "different" can and will flourish
AoC will also try to go trough this way be being very innovate, but they are also risking ALOT.
So as is may seems that every game copys the other that is because tht's mostly the type that will attract more players. And there are still games that are working hard to be innovating and running away from the system
So no..
WoW isnt a "ripp off" of DAoC
die.
2. During the industrial revolution, the use of steam enable people to create things en-masse in mills, did WoW steal the crfting theory from these people?
3. This morning I had a cup of coffee at 8:00am my girlfriend had one at 8:45am, did she steal the idea of having a cup of coffee from me?
This is the world of gaming and as everyone has said in less detail, just about every concept can be traced back to something else. Its what I hate about this genre and age of gaming. Everyone thinks that "game x" has stolen an idea from "game y" then "game z" comes along with a brand new concept, and loads of people turn their noses up at it because its not what they are used to, therefore they don't want it. The same thing where people ask if LoTR online stole orcs and evles from WoW, while other say Orcs and Elves were stolen from the LoTR movies by Blizzard
Here's a real awesome thought. Let us pretend for a second that Blizzard were brainstorming WoW and a couple of developers playerd DAoC and thought "Lets use RvR combat" like DAoC did (This is of course ignoring the fact the franchise was built on RvR RTS games from the very offset). Does it matter that Blizzard used an idea from another company? Did it cheapen your enjoyment of WoW/DAoC knowing that the idea was taken from another game? If any game uses an idea of another game, does it honestly hurt you, does it ruin one of the games for you, or possibly act as a link in a chain to some kind of apocolypse? If my girlfriend did decide to have a cup of coffee because I had one, does that ruin the taste of my coffee?
2. the industrial revolution is far from crafting, crafting is more like pre-industrial age where a bunch of individuals make everything by hand.
3. no, your gf uses 3 lumps and extra milk, none of that fake creamer powder crap.
The problem is bland works for the bland. By definition bland is the plain, so anything unbland would be unique, and unique would be a minority. I refuse to be bland.
It seems that devs keep recycling old ideas- it wouldn't be a problem if they only recycled the good ones.
edit: Please dont send me hate mail, if you have a response reply here. (it seems players get severly ticked off at the slightest hint you may be downtalking a game they play- you talk about a game they act as if you insulted their mother)
2. WoW copied EQ, made the first half of the game easy mode, and then added DAOC concepted RvR as an after thought. So it stole from both of the games. I think EQ has more to complain about than DAOC. It is not like WoW's PvP system is any good in comparisson to DAOC. WoW is simply the latest in a line of products based on the EQ model of play.
f people do want to get technical, Warcraft: Humans and Orcs the first game in the line was released in 1994 this is where their concept of RvR came from, DAoC was released 7 years later. If the OP was really concerned about games in general stealing idea's from his favourite, then he would have gone after RFonline, which is RvRvR and boasts that as a main feature of the game.
"The Did "game x" rip off this game I play" thing is getting thin now. Everyone (Including the WoW players) think someone is out to get them by "ripping off" their game. Why don't people just get on with playing the games they enjoy instead of worrying about the fact that some other game may have used one of their favourite games ideas?
*Notice: The views expressed in this post are solely those of the author... got sick of holding backspace.
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ParaTrooper, That guy that used to mod the MMORPG.com forums.
pong had pvp
pong had pve
pong was in 3rd person view
pong had a level cap
alas, no mount in pong
pong had coop-mode
btw, you forget the concept "fun"
i think daoc stole it from pong also
Not funny
Btw, weird that a thread like this has lasted so long already
"I actually cook my meat with nothing but my burning hatred for vegetables"
Not funny
Btw, weird that a thread like this has lasted so long already
wasn't supposed to be funny. purely a metaphore, like others posts to point out it's just plain daft to compare 2 games with each other and look for similarities. if there are similarities then ofcourse one game is a rip-off from the other.
Although WoW does rip off famous games, books, and movies.
Examples
In the Draenei starting area, theres a coast line called odyseus landing, with sirens, and the quest line following close to the actual book itself. Rip off of the Odyessey (famous book by homer)
In the undercity, they have a fight club with the names of all the major characters from the fight club movie.. They also have a weapon called fight club
The blood elf mount is a HUGE rip off of final fantasy's chocobo. Its just so obvious.
Theres an island in stranglethorn vale with king kong and a captured princess tauren.
The lore behind the blood elves and the promise land is a rip off of FF7 story...
lol i think its funny that when blizzard actually tries to come up with their own ideas for lore, it just completly sucks ass. The draeni lore is just terrible... A space ship that came from another planet and crash landed in azeroth? And theyve been there for only 1 month yet have manage to build numerous towns and a massive crystallized capital city?
:EDIT: Oh i forgot... Blackrock mountain is a COMPLETE rip off of LOTR. In BRD, the room with all the dwarves next to the main boss looks exactly like the huge room in the mines of moria with all the columns.
Bottom line, Religion was the founder of fantasy. Beowulf is the oldest recorded fantasy text we've been able to recover. The process of fiction was probably started in the caveman age. What sets us apart from cavemen is our constant improvement of old ideas.
I don't care if China stole the processes for making pcbs, and transistors, Fact is we leaked that info to them cause we knew they could make it cheaper, faster then us.
I don't care if Blizzard stole everything from DAoC, if they can do it better, faster, cheaper for everyones sake let them.
You think the world is fair? No. Its survival of the smartest, fittest, best. Blizzard has proven they are a much more powerful developer then Mythic. Get over it, blizzard pwn'd mythic. /spits
I don't play wow or daoc anymore. But only the lowest form of socialist would say Mythic is the better company.
8 Million Subs, Thousands of employee's and high tech jobs. Only sick people would say Mythic with its 250+ employee's is a better company then blizzard, who has created countless jobs inside and outside of there company by creating a solid, enjoyable, online game.
So who cares if blizzard stole every idea. They stole them, made them more enjoyable then the originals, and they feed millions of people with there jobs, contracts, and the leeches who create websites and sell advertising space on them.
www.mmorpg.com Steals its content from every MMO on the market, and also steals from you and me by providing forums with advertisments on them. Most of your favorite websites are making money off of you, and most of them suck there content from other sources.
Get over it, Blizzard is the best at the moment. I hate people who dislike winners. Your anti-life, you would rather have us all in a depression feeding off each others misery.
Kazer
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