Nobody cares if you are a "vet" of anything.

Teganx · May 2007

I know I'm probably asking for a lot of crap here but my anger has just built up and it has to be released.

It is soooo frustrating when all I see is "review from an mmo vet" or "why this game sucks from an mmo vet" or "I'm a vet of so and so game and I think this or that about it." Seriously guys....it dosent matter! No matter how long you have been playing MMOs or a certain MMO for it dosent change the opinion of other people playing it. Each persons opinions differ and it I will not be swayed by any review or opinion just because you are a veteran. Some people have been playing MMOs since UO and will tell me that LOTRO sucks....well I love it! And you may think that by stating you have been playing these games forever will give your statements some credit and get people to agree with you then you are wrong, no matter how many games you play it all comes down to the fact that you are playing those games because they appeal to YOUR personal preference, not anybody elses. And if you are looking for OOs and AHs from people here by bragging about how youve been playing games your whole life then I think you need a new hobby. Seriously im not the type to post things like this and really Ive never posted much negative on these forums. I really use this account just to scope things out and drop my two cents here and there.

Maybe I am overreacting...I am very tired atm and it is time for bed. I am sorry If I offended anybody. I feel like an ass because I am actually about to click post message....but it must be done!

ownedyou1 · May 2007

Very true, being a vet may make your e-penis big, but it doesn't matter.

solynar · May 2007

It makes some people more comfortable I guess. Be honest though, would you have a complete noob who has never played a MMO in his life doing reviews or someone with enough experience to feel that he/she should be titled veteran.

Another thing, everyone isn't the same. I myself can't stand the SOE games out right now but I'm not going to sit there and tell you what you must and must not play.

I'd just take the reviews with a grain of salt. Unless the people doing it are one of your good friends, they aren't going to know what you like.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion

0k21 · May 2007

what I find even more annoying apart from the reviews you speak of is when these self-proclaimed vets start trying to present their opinions as facts, it's really just lame and I wish they'd give it up, I've played MUDS and Everquest 1 and I beta tested and played pre-cu SWG for awhile but I don't go bragging about it to try and make people listen to me, the vets who cannot argue properly are one of the main reasons that these forums are the way they are simply because they won't listen to someone elses opinion just because they haven't played for however many years or played certain games, on a side note though, I highly respect those players that can come up with decent arguments without quoting others to make themselves look smart even though they clearly haven't read their own quotes.

really sad to be honest.

ownedyou1 · May 2007

They basically say, "I've played more mmos than you, so i know whats fun"

If i wanted someone to tell me whats fun I'd ask john smedley, not some e-peen 'vet'.

Bernoully · May 2007

While some of the vets do imply that people should listen to their opinions as fact, it's the same issue of player just expressing their own opinions. But threads like those spur up lots of good observation, you will always find someone saying how the MMO vet just judged a game aspect too shortsightedly. As long as emotions as left out, MMO vet opinions serve as good reading material.

Chill out, all of us have our own opinions after all. Ignoring is allowed.

... you know what's funny? Movie critics do pretty much the same armchair tasks as MMO vets but their job title is real and mostly pays.

Gameloading · May 2007

From a veteran posters perspective, I have to agree with the OP. Being a vet helps you point out the good and bad things compared to other games, but thats just about it.

gpett · May 2007

It goes both ways. Us "vets" are tired of hearing the fanbois perspective that have only played one game.

But, yeah you know what they say about opinions...

ownedyou1 · May 2007

I've been playing mmo's since 2001, however i don't say you guys should listen to my opinions, or take them as fact.

I don't even call people fanbois.

a fanboi is someone who enjoys playing a game that you dislike, correct?

gpett · May 2007

My post wasn't meant to be derogatory. Sorry you interpreted it that way.

Fanboi= Someone that is dedicated to something despite all logic or fact.

I was mearly saying that yeah everyone has different opinions based on their experiences. That is ok. But, certain people get tired of hearing from someone with a differing perspective. Such as the OP getting tired of the "vets" perspective and "vets" getting tired of "newb fanbois". But, this is nothing new.. it will go on forever.

jayheld90 · May 2007

i have been playing mmo's since 1998...whoa oohhh ahhhh im cool now, who wants to praise me? jesus christ...

ChaoticRated · May 2007

this is hilarious. who cares if you're a Vet or a Noob? EVERYONE has their own opinions so just shut up and do what you want despite what others say PERIOD

face30 · May 2007

Originally posted by gpett

My post wasn't meant to be derogatory. Sorry you interpreted it that way.

Fanboi= Someone that is dedicated to something despite all logic or fact.

I was mearly saying that yeah everyone has different opinions based on their experiences. That is ok. But, certain people get tired of hearing from someone with a differing perspective. Such as the OP getting tired of the "vets" perspective and "vets" getting tired of "newb fanbois". But, this is nothing new.. it will go on forever.

In no way is this meant to insite something from anyone but i think a more proper definition for Fanbois in this community.........

Fanbois=Someone who enjoys and defends something despite the OPINIONS of the masses.

Godliest · May 2007

I'm pretty annoyed at some people who are actually having some sort of competition regarding who's played for the longest time and who's the biggest vet. Sometimes seeing all these "vet posts" is just getting annoying.

However it's not always something necessary bad. Because when making a post or declaring your opinion about something it may actually be needed to know what perspective u see it from. It's always good to see a question from different perspectives, and "vets" and "nawbs" may have different views on a matter.

So while it may sometimes be bad, it's not always bad.

zethcarn · May 2007

Originally posted by jayheld90

i have been playing mmo's since 1998...whoa oohhh ahhhh im cool now, who wants to praise me? jesus christ...

I've only been playing since 1999 so you totally own me....totally.

napalmsweb · May 2007

I always hate when an OP starts their topic with all the games they have played and for how long because if they are an experience MMO player, it will be obvious in their post, from the MMO slang they may use, to their knowledge of how various classes work together etc.

Unknown · May 2007

Originally posted by Teganx

I will not be swayed by any review or opinion just because you are a veteran.

This is all you had to post. This one sentence. Now change "veteran" to game critic. Same theme. Which is ok. You are speaking for yourself. If you want to buy each and every mmorpg without reading other people's opinions (pro and con) that is your decision.

Some people have been playing MMOs since UO and will tell me that LOTRO sucks....well I love it!

As long as they tell WHY they think whatever game is not good, point by point, prefereby (sp?) in numerical order, it can help one make a more informed choice what to spend their hard earned money on.

And you may think that by stating you have been playing these games forever will give your statements some credit and get people to agree with you then you are wrong, no matter how many games you play it all comes down to the fact that you are playing those games because they appeal to YOUR personal preference, not anybody elses.

IF someone says "I've played every mmorpg ever". and leaves it at that, then yes, it's a useless statement, game review, game critque. BUT if someone says "I've played every mmorpg ever, and here is why this current game [insert name of game] offers nothing new. Or here is where it got this idea from. Or here is why it's bad, and you should not waste your money.

Maybe I am overreacting...I am very tired atm and it is time for bed.

And here is the REAL reason for your post/rant. You are tired and want to let off steam. Tired from a days work, school, interacting with people, your dog, cleaning, etc.... Ah well, at least you are being very honest. Let off some steam I say! Most at this site are very understanding.

I am sorry If I offended anybody. I feel like an ass because I am actually about to click post message....but it must be done!

Let's clarify a bit. The main reason the majority of game vets let it be known they are vets (from posting, in their sigs, by having screenshots to prove it, etc....) is so the reader will know where they are coming from. A gamer vet giving a review will always have more weight than a newer player because a vet can point you to other games with a certain gameplay you may like. Do a search on my name. There was a recent thread I posted in, in which a newer gamer attempted to post about the "Worse MMORPGs Ever " It turned out he only played SWG. His not being a vet made it impossible for him to compare all the major mmorpgs to each other, all the major game features to each other, all the major game systems to each other.

Vets are also the main part of the populace who hold the game DEVs feet to the fire. "What? You claim your game is new and revolutionary?!? You CLONED that directly from so-and-so game!!". If the majority of game DEVs, and moneymen had their way, they would re-hash the same thing over and over, advertising it as brand new hoping no one would notice, or hold their feet to the fire.

Relax, game vets ARE ON YOUR SIDE. Heheh.

It is your choice to read their reviews, posts, and crtiques, or not. Just like you can choose to watch Siskel and Ebert the movie vets, or not. BTW, Spider-Man 3 is not worth the money.

Talin · May 2007

I think the issue most people have with others calling themselves a 'vet' is that it seems to imply a sense of superiority or seniority. In most cases, I don't think that is what the original poster is trying to convey, but that is how it is perceived.

There is no reason to not list the MMOs that you have played when posting; knowing a person's background with the genre can help to identify what experiences have "colored their glasses" so to speak, or to influence/affect their opinions. Some people might place less stock in a PvP review coming from a person who has only played WoW, and has missed the alternate PvP systems used in DAOC, Shadowbane, etc.

Longstanding members of communities may also refer to themselves as 'vets', in the sense that they have seen games come and gone, weathered the experience, and are still here, waiting for the next game to be released. In this fashion they are actually justified, as the term veteran implies experience, which many people in these forums have. Note: this does not make their opinions any more valid or objective; opinions are just that. So if someone states this is an opinion from a vet, they are really only stating that this is the biased, subjective feelings from someone who has played other games in the past.

shae · May 2007

I don't know... a lot of the "vets" on this site tend to be bitter, jaded, cynical folk. That's why I like GL, once you get past the sarcasm, he's actuallly a decent guy.

Otherwise, I'm in no rush to be considered a vet, just a gamer, that's all.

bonobotheory · May 2007

I care. I won't be oohing and ahhing, but I value the opinion of an experienced person over that of an inexperienced person. Of course, in game types where I'm a complete newbie, the opposite applies: I'm going to value the newbie's opinion, because I want something newbie-friendly.

If you don't like it, ignore the opinions of the veterans. They're not meant for you.

Supernerd · May 2007

no 1 is gonna listen to a n00b

Zarraa · May 2007

Originally posted by gpett

It goes both ways. Us "vets" are tired of hearing the fanbois perspective that have only played one game.

But, yeah you know what they say about opinions...

Both sides make valid points though...

While it grows tiresome reading Vets wax poetic about the good ole days, it's equally tiresome reading those new to the genre proclaiming their first MMO as inovative & the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Nonetheless, being a Vet gives you perspective but it in no way means you're an expert on all things MMO..

LeJohn · May 2007

Originally posted by xplororor

Let's clarify a bit. The main reason the majority of game vets let it be known they are vets (from posting, in their sigs, by having screenshots to prove it, etc....) is so the reader will know where they are coming from.

It's all about point of reference. One of my favorite things when I was younger was spelunking, repelling and free climbing. Now I dare say that most people would have no idea what I am talking about, this is because they have no point of reference, i.e. they have no experience in these areas and there opinion of the best sites will carry no weight where as a someone that has experience (a vet) can accurately tell you where the best grips are, were the existing pitons are and how long they have been there, what the drops are (important for the length of the rope(s)) etc…

While, as the OP says everyone has their own opinion, you have to keep in mind that opinions are based experience.

Fanboi= A person that is so loyal to a game that even when the game’s developer states that there is a problem they refuse to acknowledge it and even argue that there is no problem.

Real example:

FB: There is no problem with logging on that is just haters posting lies!

NP: Hello.. The log on screen states that there is a problem, the Developer has also posted on the forums that they are working on it.

FB: Lies.. All lies, some hacker must have broke in and posted those lies.

neschria · May 2007

I'd better post now so I can be a vet on this thread when it hits 50 posts.

I am guilty of pointing out that I've been playing for a long time, but mainly I do that when I am about to post something giving an opinion counter to The Common Wisdom. For instance, it is relatively important to my opinion on EQ (i.e. that I like the new EQ better than the old EQ) that I've been playing (off and on, mostly ON) since the Pre-Kunark days. I actually know what the "good old days" were like first hand, I've gone through a stage of crying over the newbification of the game, and I've eventually grown to like "New EQ". That doesn't mean that my opinion is more valid than what the guy who just tried EQ for the first time last night thinks, nor is it more qualified in any way than the ideas of the Classic Server Crew, who disagree with me. It's just background. To each their own.

Now, I've had someone on this site say to me that there was no pre-Kunark era... I think I might be slightly more qualified to speak on the topic than that guy.

I don't make a habit of caring about the truth of the matter when people claim things about themselves on the Internet. I've been a jackass myself, from time to time, sometimes on purpose, so I can be pretty forgiving. The whole vet thing bugs me too, especially when it is attached to a message that basically says nothing but, "Dood, stfu. I have been playing MMOs since I was BORN. You're just a noob. The only game you've ever played is Globe of Goobcraft! How do you know what is good?! " Really, that sort of thing makes you ask yourself which one is the "noob" in that exchange.

If you can post something that gives REASONS for your opinion, you're doing better than average, even if you just installed your first game 15 minutes ago.

FWIW, I have been playing since UO, and I think LoTRO is a fine game. YMMV.

Recant · May 2007

I'm a self-proclaimed MMO vet, and while there are certainly more experienced experienced 'vets', I feel no embarrasment in declaring myself so. I've experienced many, many facets of MMOs, in various different guises, various classes, various roles of responsiblity, behaved differently in some than others. I feel that I have a broad understanding of the genre that only comes from almost a decade of experience.

Do I feel that this makes me superior to anyone else? No, of course it doesn't - and I've never implied otherwise. So why declare myself a veteran? I suppose the main reason would be is that I regularly defend World of Warcraft, which is erroneously labelled as a noob or easy game. And when defending it, ludicrous accusations are often thrown my way such as "If you play WoW then you musn't have played a real MMO". That's not the only reason, but it's the most pertinent.

Like I said, I don't consider myself better, I just consider myself more experienced. Of course this doesn't invalidate or make any less relevant the opinion of others, it just adds weight to my own opinions; that I am not simply a noob just because I play a game that is accessible to many people.

Umbrood · May 2007

I strongly disagree with the title of this thread, allthough I somewhat agree with its content.

Saying that no one cares if you are a vet of "anything" is blatantly wrong.

In almost all walks of life lots of experience in any field is essential.

There is a reason "vets" gets paid more then "noobs" in almost all professions, ( i would say all, but I am just not 100% sure on that so ).

If I am about to make a decision I value the opinion and advice from someone with both knowledge and experience fairly high.

But, and yes there is a but.

When it comes to entertainment, this no longer holds true to such a great extent, becuase when it comes to entertainment our differences becomes ever more clear.

No one can tell me what I like, they can advice me to try something new, but wether or not I will like it is another story alltogether.

Still, someone who knows what they are talking about is a lot more likely to get my attention, even when it comes to entertainment.

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