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The reason for the hate.
xcalibur
Member Posts: 571
1. Turbine has admitted that they aren't even going to try to cater to the hardcore achiever.
2. Turbine has a history of making it's content accessible to a large portion of the player base.
It's mostly people who wish that these two facts weren't true that are bashing the game
They want to beat LOTRO down for not being 'deep' when it is simply a different type of game. It's for people who would rather have an adventure then go play music or blow smoke rings than spend hour after hour in a raid instance. I know they are implementing raids, but I do not expect them to take nearly as much time as many other games based on #2.
2. Turbine has a history of making it's content accessible to a large portion of the player base.
It's mostly people who wish that these two facts weren't true that are bashing the game
They want to beat LOTRO down for not being 'deep' when it is simply a different type of game. It's for people who would rather have an adventure then go play music or blow smoke rings than spend hour after hour in a raid instance. I know they are implementing raids, but I do not expect them to take nearly as much time as many other games based on #2.
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I think it is unquestionable that the people who use this site are more hardcore than the general MMO gaming audience. After all, casual players are not likely to bother to read tons of stuff on this site. They're just going to play their game for a few hours a week and that's all. Even within a game it is well established that only maybe 10-20% of the players read the game's own forum. How many less read an outside forum like this one? Add to that, most of the people who like the game can freely post on any game's own website, but people trying to bash it may well end up moderated there, so they have to come here.
The mix is, that you have all the hardcore people who hate a game, here... and all the hardcore people who like a game, are mainly at its own website. And the non-hardcore people are just playing their own game and ignoring all this. And so that's why, almost any game's forum here on MMORPG.COM, is filled with hate threads and flame-fests. There is no point to coming here for actual information about a game -- you won't find it. It's all just opinionated argument.
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Eh not only that but its exactly like DnD online system wich i got max level in the 10 day free trail(very sad on my part no life and devs part for being so short).
I played closed and open beta of Lotro and its an extremely boreing game, never really challenged and not excting combat. and i do admit im a pvp junkie and this game made pvp an afterthought wich is always a recipie for suck.
But for all who enjoy it, ignore us all who bash it and play the game and have fun.
Do you mine explaining to me how this is so. I played DDO and it is confined to just a town with lots of dungoens to run that are instances. I play LOTRO and it is a wide open world that you explore with very few instances at all. How are the two games alike? It would help support your assesment if you gave details or is it a case were you can't and you are doing what the OP is saying bashers do. Have you even played LOTRO. If you have you could never make such a statement. Please prove me wrong if you can. But i know the games are nothing alike and never will be from experience of playing both and haveing beta tested LOTRO since beta one begun.
Nice try though.
WOW is simple, LoTRs is simple and EQII has made their game alot more simple than it actually was at release. Vanguard was supposed to be the savoir of the harcore and you haven't seen "hate" till you check out their forums and the trainwreck it has become.
There is a hardcore gamer community out there who are finding themselves "forced" to try WOW or LoTRs and are finishing it in a week and then are getting frustrated. Aside from the inner-office drama of VG, you also have the fact that the big triple A hardcore return to EQI glory title didn't even have raiding in at release.
LoTRs is just catching flack because some of the community is ticked that everything for the next 10 years will be "WoWified".
Turbine does seem capable of getting content out fast though so unless you burn thru the game in a month you should have free content releasing almost monthly untill the expansion comes.
I bought LOTRO as a time waster when not playing EVE, but it's turned out to be a pleasant surprise. I hated DDO like most people did, but LOTRO is actually a very nice polished game. As for PvP on it, you really need to try out monster play, it sounded like a stupid idea to me at first, but I think turbine stumbled onto something very cool. As a monster you can go grab some good solid pvp anytime at level 10 which will take you no time at all. Being a monster is about killing, nothing else, there are groups of monsters always looking to hunt freeps (free people) with hit and run skirmishes going on all over the pvp region. If you like team pvp, it really doesn't get much better and you have to pvp to advance your monsters skills at some point. This is, of course, a first impression so my opinion may change, but it's worth checking out.
As for the pve, I like it, you're kinda led by the nose,but as I said the game is very polished for a new release. The big thing is, it's fun. The AI is good, mobs weave through cover when attacked at range to break line of sight etc.
Patience, the game will get there..and there will be fun to be had.
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The "hate" that I see on these boards on a daily basis is no where near actual hate. IMHO, the general consensus that I observe from the so called "haters", is that the game is overrated, offers nothing new, and is boring. That's not hate. Thats just a different perspective. If you take the time to actual read what people say, instead of just glancing over someone's thoughts and mislabeling/misinterpreting them as hate, then you might understand that.
Equal opportunity troll.
I'm sorry but what hate?
I have seen nothing but positive things about LOTRO. Sure you have some people bashing it, but it always turns out to be players COMPAIRING it to other games.
Personally I NEVER compair. You have to enter a game with an open mind. Function wise I do compair. Like small options etc, but never the content of the game. Its a different game after all
But the 2 points you mention as bad, are really the exsact same thing with WoW which is the worlds most sucsessful MMO. Its easy, and deffently not hardcore. And its purly focused on simplisity. Nothing is advanced at all. 7 year olds play it.
The term HARDCORE is in the eye of the beholder. It all depends on the attitude of the player and his/her guild/clan/kinship of how they approch the game.
Even Pac-Man can be HARDCORE if you want.
Unless your computer game comes with a built in robotic leg that attaches to your computer desk and kicks you in the:
1. Face
2. Crotch
3. Crotch...then your face as you bend over from the crotch shot (
....
...
)
Then your game is not hardcore. Some take a bit longer than others, and some have 2-3 numbers to keep track of instead of say 5-6.
I've never heard of what entails a "sophisticated" MMO, but I would imagine it to be like sitting around a warm fire, sipping tea and discussing foreign politics in the early 20th century, or something like that....
Equal opportunity troll.
LOL the hardcore people come here ? no we avoid places like this
there are no hardcore rpg'ers in wow , never have been never will be
todays youth just dont understand what an rpg is , wow has more in common with a fps frag fest then an rpg if you dont understand that then your already a lost cause
as far as LOTRO goes if i need to explain it to you your already to mind numbed to bring back lotro is a rp's wet dream , you no that title after the MMO<RP>G part maybe you've forgoten all about that or never knew it to begin with an just followed the rest of the sheep who think ganking someone 20 levels lower then you is what rpg's are all about if thats the case you will never no what you are missing out on
an im certainly glad lotro isnt for you 1 less smacktard trying to turn occ into the ss an vids ive seen of barrens chat in World of Wankers
Some people with no clue about word meaning, missunderstood CHALLENGING // TIME SINKING.
And asociated the 2 words into 1 (Hardcore), plus a little bit of jerkiness in their hearth made them fell superior to normal beeings that cant, wont and dont enjoy playing 12 hrs a day... Why? because its not normal.
So there you go, time sinking games are not challenging!! they are just: a waste of life time to praise your cyber ego.
I miss DAoC
Meridion
who liked healing with instruments? Does the color of the Lore-Master's and the Minstrel's armor get less or more girly when u get farther in the game?
ps I beta'ed LOTRO
Why I love seeing it, is because I always get to respond that the average age of a WoW player is 28.
I just don't understand how some ppl can't get over the fact that many millions of people think WoW is a great game.
I personally don't find LOTRO to be very good, but I certainly understand how certain players can enjoy it. However, you don't see me insulting those that say they like it, calling them "old fuddie duddies", that LOTRO has more in common with a "nerd centric renaissance fair than an MMO", and that if you don't understand that, you are "obviously smoking something that went bad".
Equal opportunity troll.
You beta'd LotRO? Then wouldn't you know you don't heal with instruments, you raise morale.
If as many people who say they beta'd LotRO were subscribed to LotRO, they would have already sold 10 million copies.
Also the lore-master and minstrel armor get to looking pretty kick ass in the higher levels.
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You beta'd LotRO? Then wouldn't you know you don't heal with instruments, you raise morale.
If as many people who say they beta'd LotRO were subscribed to LotRO, they would have already sold 10 million copies.
Also the lore-master and minstrel armor get to looking pretty kick ass in the higher levels.
thx for answer. It didn't take me long to quit so i dont know the difference between morale and healing lol. isn't it the same thing?The servers are overcrowded for one. The game is on rails to a huge degree with no room for variation. The fact that there are already a bunch of level 50s running around and the game is barely a month out of release tells you it is way too easy to level. This game has no substance so they better start opening more servers and cranking out expansions in a hurry or they are going to lose their grip on the playerbase.
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To the original postage ^^ :
You're quite right when you say that much of the Hate towards lotro is based on the more casual nature of the game. In my honest opinion, the people who claim it's not "hardcore" enough should realize that not everybody intends to play 20+ hours a day, live on fastfood and soda, forsake any kind of social activity and grind or pvp for the sake of jusifying themselves through a game. I respect turbine for their choice. They provide something else than the endless grind which is WoW. More quests, more exploration, a few more uncommon classes, great crafting skills ( or so I read). Now if only they could get the stability of euro servers up a bit.
i think this game has LOTS of potential, shooting it down because it isnt as developed as other games that have been out twice as long isnt logical.
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And for the bard/healing concept. I really can't see how anyone would judge a game because of THIS. It's new, it's innovative, it's well thought-out... It's all the "we want innovation"-boys cry for every day, and still, its "naaah, not THIS kind of innovation"... 14 year-old ALERT !!!
Meridion
no heres why ppl are bashing it. LOTRO is the biggest IP Franchise in the history of Fantasy books, the movies were very successful, and the game had a really great release. The game delivered what ppl were hoping for and thats an adventure. And dont even try to compare it to DDO, all that game shows is..stand in one spot for 5 hours, go to a dungeon, get cool stuff, repeat. No lands to explore, nothing really fancy and cool about it...DDO is about as boring as watching golf. heck the pen and paper D&D had more adventure.