The option to pay upfront almost a month's worth of skills with my $15. There are good arguements of how this can destroy the essence of Eve, but that wasn't what the question was about.
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Originally posted by Rist Tried it for a week, and left because I missed the group gatherings of avatars you get in other mmo games (markets and parks)
I noticed a few places that acted as large gathering places in high sec space. You should've asked what the market hubs were.
The PVP system and the death penalty, make it less harsh and I would consider coming back. I know that won't sit well with the current crowd so just open a PVE server and let those that enjoy the current system have their fun on Tranquility and the rest of us have our fun away from it on the new server.
Oh and get the CCP employees that play the game under control and out of the player organizations, stop the insider gaming and level the playing field.
I played EVE just for one month, and the thing that really turned me away was probably lack of avatar characters that you can walk around ships and planetside in. i think its a good game, and I understand why they would want to focus on other things and how they had a limited budget, but I just have a difficult time enjoying a game where I'm a ship.
Also, during my free trial an the month after it I was spending way too much time sitting at my computer staring at my ship as it automatically flew from port to port, either on delivery missions or to go buy something I needed that was cheaper somewhere else. I probably shouldn't have done delivery missions, but I found the mining missions to be stale, and I died twice in the combat missions and I wasnt sure how to find combat missions that were easier. I would probably go back to EVE and give it another shot if I had friends that played it, as I think it deserves another shot, I just dont want to bother because I really dont think I could enjoy a game without human avatars, even though the idea of high risk PvP sounds really fun! Reminds me of diablo II hardcore, although there wasnt much risk in D2 PKing people hardcore, the goal was always to surprise them and instead of defending themselves they'd log off.
Originally posted by donmaximo Also, as I understand it, EVE does allow for massive unlimited levels of crafting i.e. ships, items, and stations - though I've yet to ever get that far and I'm not sure if you can craft stations that you can go in and out of..
Answer your thougths on stations. There are 2 types of stations, the first is a POS, This is more like a mobile gather point for things anchored in space. not a station as such but like a group of satalietes around a moon or planet protected buy a force shield. Then there are actual stations. These you can dock in, build in, just like any other station in the eve universe.
POS can be built in low sector space, where a station can only be built in 0.0 where your corp, alliance has claimed the territory by placing a few POS in the area, and effectivley own this part of space.
A solo player can build and run their own pos, but it is very time consuming, expencive and on going fuel costs for the station will leave you with no time but to mine fuels to keep it running.
Building and owning any station is a huge deal. You need lots of funds and people to help set up and maintain. Then you have to be able to defend it. A station can only defend itself for so long against so many hostiles.
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Its looks really fun to play and I played it for a bit but then quit x__x. Im thinking of getting back into it though. What was annoying to me though was during the in-game tutorial at the beginning, there was other players doing the say thing as me and it was like a competition ><. I also got lost alot during it xD. Maybe im just stupid but after the tutorial, it was quite fun. I like EVE but id like it more with a more "me" tutorial.
I played the trial but never subbed. What put me off was the skill system. Something different to the regular leveling system is nice but the way you learn skills was lame and boring. Towards the end of the trial i was sitting in a station waiting for my skills to go up so I could actually use new equipment. A new skill system where like your gunnery skill goes up th emore you fight or something or mining goes up the more you mine would make sense. As it is now its just boring. And its not like you will ever be competitive with the players who have been there longer so you will never compete in pvp.
Eve needs a ground game. A space sim is all well and good I mean I played earth and beyond for a while so I can see the attraction. However just like E&B Eve is too impersonal for an RPG. There needs to be avatar interaction to stimulate most players and EVE doesnt offer that. The idea of perpetually flying through space and seeing planets but never actually landing on them and walking around holds no interest for me.
If you could mix classic SWG ground game with EVE space instead of JTL which was horrible I think EVE could be massively popular.
Exactly what I was thinking....I would love to have a corp to drop me on the ground to fight. Needs a ground game with an already rich and complex space game.
Make it viable for people who haven't been in the game for years already to be able to play more than a mining simulator. I used to play, came back several times, but overall combat degenerates into "who has the most isk" with newbs who can barely afford a cruiser getting crushed by vets who have battlecruisers in every system. 0sec is impossible without funds to risk and people to escort. Basically if you want to do anything but mine generic roids in high sec or grind a thousand of the same complex over and over again, you have to been pretty damn established already. I found myself not logging int at all because it wasn't worth the time, and every attempt I made to try and get out there resulted in me getting squashed and sent back further than where I began. Hell, at one point I had to run around in my damn starter ship until I could get enough for a frig again because I got so completely screwed.
I know the vets will bitch that it's not the games fault, it's mine blah blah blah. But I know I'm not alone in this because its a widely held belief that there's no reason to bother starting up, since you can't catch up to the vets and get into the game anyway. In all the time I played, I pretty much floated around doing nothing, because there was nothing short of ore grinding I could think of doing without massive amounts of isk to back it.
EDIT: Just a note, I don't mind the freeform design of the game and open PvP at all. I think it's great. My problem is you have a handful of the rich big boys running the show, and everyone else is kind of hopelessly out of the loop.
I know you can call me a whiner all you want, but that's the reason I quit. The first reason was because I don't like seeing my progress crushed with no defense, and the second because of sheer boredom (I can only look at so many gas giants and floating potatoes fly by).
I liked Earth and Beyond better. That was a cool game with lots to do and look at. Sounds were better too.
I know you can call me a whiner all you want, but that's the reason I quit. The first reason was because I don't like seeing my progress crushed with no defense, and the second because of sheer boredom (I can only look at so many gas giants and floating potatoes fly by).
I liked Earth and Beyond better. That was a cool game with lots to do and look at. Sounds were better too.
I think I would have enjoyed earth and beyond had I played it past beta. Though, if it survived, it would mean EA would be running it now and yeah, that could only end badly. The cockpit view was nice too. I agree with you on the first point though. Unless you've got a large group flying with you, or some massive and expensive ship, you're pretty much getting one shotted by any vet that rolls along.
New players can beat Vets. You dont need huge amounts of isk and skill to be able to play and kill in PvP. A team of frigates can do huge damage if they work together.
I remember playing one day, and there was about 10 of so of my alliance and we were gate camping in p3. We had a bubble (mobile warp scrabler) set up and meeting anything that wasnt friendly with death and pain. 8 of us where in tech II Battleships and we had a couple interceptors to lock and disable our targets. Next thing that happens is a huge number of hostiles frigates pops into system and mops the floor with us. I got the kill mail of my ship destruction, and i had been killed with the final blow from an ibis. (caldari noobie ship)
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Rekit: So I'm curious, what did you like so much about E&B, in relation to how EVE is? Which area's do you think were better and which worse? I played E&B and so am hoping to be able to relate. I stopped after the beta however as there was really not much else to do.
I plan to start my trial this or next weekend, but from what I've gathered here it almost seems like I wouldn't be able to get a sense of what the game is truly about (especially combat) for another 6 months, well beyond my commitment threshold.
Unrestricted PvP is a killer for me, no matter how appealing the game may be on every other aspect.
With EvE, not only is PvP unrestricted, the very worst aspects of unrestricted PvP (Ganking, etc.) are actually aided and abetted through a travel system that forces you to go through bottlenecks when moving from region to region. The game developers are unapologetic about this, they readily admit that it is precisely that aspect of PvP that they consider "realistic" and that they intentionally encourage.
Naturally, it's gankageddon.
If you stay in heavily policed areas, you will still get ganked. Suicide squads will sacrifice themselves to destroy you as you undock in "safe" space, to steal your cargo.
Playing games with unrestricted/unregulated PvP amounts to you giving other people total control over your gaming experience. If you want your game controlled for you by 13 year olds, then by all means play EvE. Until such time as that silliness is remedied, I won't be.
It's a wonderful game, with the exception of this grievous PvP design flaw.
I played EvE for a year and then came back for a few months. First off i stoped playing before the whole BoB insident, and do not know much about it however when i played i actully thought CCP was doing a good job w/ interacting with their player base. It would take two improvments for me to get back into the game. The first is the total lack of interesting quests, i understand how it is a sandbox game ect. but i like having and a story line that directly impacts my world. The second issue is that it is not a random group friendly game. every time i saw another person that did not have a plus next to there name i was suspect, and that kinda sucks. I want to be able to group up and meet random people and do random things.
As loads of people have already said - Being able to actually leave the spaceship and walk around would catapult this game's popularity. Even if there wasn't much content to the ground game, people like to walk around and hang out with other players in a bar or other social venue. Many people have a hard time thinking of themselves as a spaceship. They like to swing the camera around and think "hey my guy looks buff" or "I wish my ass was that small" lol.
I always feel like I'm missing something when I'm playing EVE. I mine and move goods around for profit.... and spend most of my time only half paying attention to the screen. Travelling vast distances is best done AFK unless you're a lucky enough noob to have all the instant jump points and mining is so boring! That's my experience in empire space anyway.
Perhaps I should head over to 0.0 space. I know that's where the real action is and the part of the game that really would appeal to me. I also know I'll probably get blased in to a million pieces by the first stranger I came across.
Eve needs a ground game. A space sim is all well and good I mean I played earth and beyond for a while so I can see the attraction. However just like E&B Eve is too impersonal for an RPG. There needs to be avatar interaction to stimulate most players and EVE doesnt offer that. The idea of perpetually flying through space and seeing planets but never actually landing on them and walking around holds no interest for me.
If you could mix classic SWG ground game with EVE space instead of JTL which was horrible I think EVE could be massively popular.
I played EVE when it first came out, but found it overly confusing and riddled with Bugs, so I unsubbed and went with SWG. About 6 months before they came out with the NGE, SWG cancelled my account because they "claimed" I was duping credits, I wasn't but even after I got my account back and they gave me a couple of free months to compensate, it left a bad taste in my mouth so I left and joined EVE, mostly because some of my friends in SWG were there. I stayed on board for about 2 years, managed to make a ton of ISK, they have one of the better crafting systems out of any MMO out there, but honestly, I missed the level of interaction we had in SWG. I still reactivate my account every few months, set some training, sell some stuff, but I'm not really playing and I'm just waiting for the new Character system, were we'll have the Walking on Stations and all that. I know it's probably still a year or more away, but I think once that's out, it's REALLY going to change the dynamic of this game and give me that same "feeling" I had for SWG. In the meantime I've been thinking of reactivating my SWG account, anyone know which server's the most populated???
Unrestricted PvP is a killer for me, no matter how appealing the game may be on every other aspect. With EvE, not only is PvP unrestricted, the very worst aspects of unrestricted PvP (Ganking, etc.) are actually aided and abetted through a travel system that forces you to go through bottlenecks when moving from region to region. The game developers are unapologetic about this, they readily admit that it is precisely that aspect of PvP that they consider "realistic" and that they intentionally encourage. Naturally, it's gankageddon. If you stay in heavily policed areas, you will still get ganked. Suicide squads will sacrifice themselves to destroy you as you undock in "safe" space, to steal your cargo. Playing games with unrestricted/unregulated PvP amounts to you giving other people total control over your gaming experience. If you want your game controlled for you by 13 year olds, then by all means play EvE. Until such time as that silliness is remedied, I won't be. It's a wonderful game, with the exception of this grievous PvP design flaw.
Actually, it's very easy to stay in the safer .5 and above systems, when moving between major systems you might have to take the longer routes though. It's the Shortcuts that go through the lower sec areas.I've had times where I didn't want to get into a fight, so I unsubbed from my Corp and spent a few months going through safer space. Heck, I'd even travel AFK most of the times, never had any problems.
The single thing that keeps me from playing EvE is that I feel like at this stage I am coming in off the bench during the last quarter. It seems that BoB has a strangle hold on much of the universe and theres not much thats going to stop it - especially with all this stuff about the Devs taking BoB commanders on dates and such.
If they opened a new server with all the bells and whistles that have been added since tranquility went online then I would resub for sure. I guess the other possibility for me to resub is if things got shaken up on tranquility such that everyone was talking about something other than holding off BoB for as long as possible.
Basically I want to feel like Im flying my ship around in the Wild Wild West - not just trying to survive against a superpower.
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I noticed a few places that acted as large gathering places in high sec space. You should've asked what the market hubs were.
that would own. thinking of trying out X3: reunion while my internet is down at home to get a feel for that.
The PVP system and the death penalty, make it less harsh and I would consider coming back. I know that won't sit well with the current crowd so just open a PVE server and let those that enjoy the current system have their fun on Tranquility and the rest of us have our fun away from it on the new server.
Oh and get the CCP employees that play the game under control and out of the player organizations, stop the insider gaming and level the playing field.
Also, during my free trial an the month after it I was spending way too much time sitting at my computer staring at my ship as it automatically flew from port to port, either on delivery missions or to go buy something I needed that was cheaper somewhere else. I probably shouldn't have done delivery missions, but I found the mining missions to be stale, and I died twice in the combat missions and I wasnt sure how to find combat missions that were easier. I would probably go back to EVE and give it another shot if I had friends that played it, as I think it deserves another shot, I just dont want to bother because I really dont think I could enjoy a game without human avatars, even though the idea of high risk PvP sounds really fun! Reminds me of diablo II hardcore, although there wasnt much risk in D2 PKing people hardcore, the goal was always to surprise them and instead of defending themselves they'd log off.
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Answer your thougths on stations. There are 2 types of stations, the first is a POS, This is more like a mobile gather point for things anchored in space. not a station as such but like a group of satalietes around a moon or planet protected buy a force shield. Then there are actual stations. These you can dock in, build in, just like any other station in the eve universe.
POS can be built in low sector space, where a station can only be built in 0.0 where your corp, alliance has claimed the territory by placing a few POS in the area, and effectivley own this part of space.
A solo player can build and run their own pos, but it is very time consuming, expencive and on going fuel costs for the station will leave you with no time but to mine fuels to keep it running.
Building and owning any station is a huge deal. You need lots of funds and people to help set up and maintain. Then you have to be able to defend it. A station can only defend itself for so long against so many hostiles.
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I would come if I could play.
dl'ed free trial, blank screen w/ music, same thing happened w/ lotro but I found help to fix it then, nothing for EVE.
I played the trial but never subbed. What put me off was the skill system. Something different to the regular leveling system is nice but the way you learn skills was lame and boring. Towards the end of the trial i was sitting in a station waiting for my skills to go up so I could actually use new equipment. A new skill system where like your gunnery skill goes up th emore you fight or something or mining goes up the more you mine would make sense. As it is now its just boring. And its not like you will ever be competitive with the players who have been there longer so you will never compete in pvp.
Would be nice to see the two interact.
I know the vets will bitch that it's not the games fault, it's mine blah blah blah. But I know I'm not alone in this because its a widely held belief that there's no reason to bother starting up, since you can't catch up to the vets and get into the game anyway. In all the time I played, I pretty much floated around doing nothing, because there was nothing short of ore grinding I could think of doing without massive amounts of isk to back it.
EDIT: Just a note, I don't mind the freeform design of the game and open PvP at all. I think it's great. My problem is you have a handful of the rich big boys running the show, and everyone else is kind of hopelessly out of the loop.
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1. Being annihilated constantly.
2. Mining
I know you can call me a whiner all you want, but that's the reason I quit. The first reason was because I don't like seeing my progress crushed with no defense, and the second because of sheer boredom (I can only look at so many gas giants and floating potatoes fly by).
I liked Earth and Beyond better. That was a cool game with lots to do and look at. Sounds were better too.
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New players can beat Vets. You dont need huge amounts of isk and skill to be able to play and kill in PvP. A team of frigates can do huge damage if they work together.
I remember playing one day, and there was about 10 of so of my alliance and we were gate camping in p3. We had a bubble (mobile warp scrabler) set up and meeting anything that wasnt friendly with death and pain. 8 of us where in tech II Battleships and we had a couple interceptors to lock and disable our targets. Next thing that happens is a huge number of hostiles frigates pops into system and mops the floor with us. I got the kill mail of my ship destruction, and i had been killed with the final blow from an ibis. (caldari noobie ship)
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I plan to start my trial this or next weekend, but from what I've gathered here it almost seems like I wouldn't be able to get a sense of what the game is truly about (especially combat) for another 6 months, well beyond my commitment threshold.
Unrestricted PvP is a killer for me, no matter how appealing the game may be on every other aspect.
With EvE, not only is PvP unrestricted, the very worst aspects of unrestricted PvP (Ganking, etc.) are actually aided and abetted through a travel system that forces you to go through bottlenecks when moving from region to region. The game developers are unapologetic about this, they readily admit that it is precisely that aspect of PvP that they consider "realistic" and that they intentionally encourage.
Naturally, it's gankageddon.
If you stay in heavily policed areas, you will still get ganked. Suicide squads will sacrifice themselves to destroy you as you undock in "safe" space, to steal your cargo.
Playing games with unrestricted/unregulated PvP amounts to you giving other people total control over your gaming experience. If you want your game controlled for you by 13 year olds, then by all means play EvE. Until such time as that silliness is remedied, I won't be.
It's a wonderful game, with the exception of this grievous PvP design flaw.
I played EvE for a year and then came back for a few months. First off i stoped playing before the whole BoB insident, and do not know much about it however when i played i actully thought CCP was doing a good job w/ interacting with their player base. It would take two improvments for me to get back into the game. The first is the total lack of interesting quests, i understand how it is a sandbox game ect. but i like having and a story line that directly impacts my world. The second issue is that it is not a random group friendly game. every time i saw another person that did not have a plus next to there name i was suspect, and that kinda sucks. I want to be able to group up and meet random people and do random things.
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As loads of people have already said - Being able to actually leave the spaceship and walk around would catapult this game's popularity. Even if there wasn't much content to the ground game, people like to walk around and hang out with other players in a bar or other social venue. Many people have a hard time thinking of themselves as a spaceship. They like to swing the camera around and think "hey my guy looks buff" or "I wish my ass was that small" lol.
I always feel like I'm missing something when I'm playing EVE. I mine and move goods around for profit.... and spend most of my time only half paying attention to the screen. Travelling vast distances is best done AFK unless you're a lucky enough noob to have all the instant jump points and mining is so boring! That's my experience in empire space anyway.
Perhaps I should head over to 0.0 space. I know that's where the real action is and the part of the game that really would appeal to me. I also know I'll probably get blased in to a million pieces by the first stranger I came across.
14 days... not worth messing with because of a very limited time to play at night.
(if I was to say a second thing, it would have to be gate camping)
The single thing that keeps me from playing EvE is that I feel like at this stage I am coming in off the bench during the last quarter. It seems that BoB has a strangle hold on much of the universe and theres not much thats going to stop it - especially with all this stuff about the Devs taking BoB commanders on dates and such.
If they opened a new server with all the bells and whistles that have been added since tranquility went online then I would resub for sure. I guess the other possibility for me to resub is if things got shaken up on tranquility such that everyone was talking about something other than holding off BoB for as long as possible.
Basically I want to feel like Im flying my ship around in the Wild Wild West - not just trying to survive against a superpower.