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"Brotherhood"...did SOE not get the memo...females play Vanguard too.
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As for all those accusing the OP as wasting time on this subject...this is a debate. OMG I've seen people argue over semantics, grammer and spelling....please tell me that isnt a waste of time. Not interested in debating...move on to the next post.
Oh Hello there,
Just wanted to drop a quick comment before this gets out of hand.
Seriously, I really understand the OP point of view and I must admit that brotherhood is a little dude oriented but frankly, do you honestly think that the dev named that game function to piss off every girls on the planet?
Naaa!
I believe the word “union” would be an overall better term. Then again, someone might jump the boat and say, Union is assiociated to marriage in certain cultures. Every word can be seen badly, it really depends on your point of view. What you seek is what you get.
While I’m sure you’re all bright folks that all have a degree in something, I’m sure you understand that Brotherhood does not mean “Boys only”. It’s just a word that is being used in a masculin form. It’s a bit like french where when you have the choice to use a masculine or femine version, if you’re using it to display a generality of a subject, then the masculin becomes the default.
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I actually agree with you to a degree on this one Teala.
It's really not the term "brotherhood" that bothers me, because honestly, I could care less. What kinda urks me is that there is ENTIRE host of alternatives terms of phrase for this specific feature and they STILL decide to name it somewhat gender specific. I don't find it sexist as much as I find it plain ass lazy.
Mind you I'm fairly habitualized to the little stuff like this now, been gaming with boys far to long to know that they just simply do not think of these "types" of things.
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See that's just it...they don't think. j/k OMG I'm going to get fried for that one - watch. Anyway...I have been called a bit of a tomboy all my life by guys, maybe because I tend to hang with the "guys" in their little cliques and am accepted by them so readily because I like to be with "guys" and I find gaming with them fun. With that being said I am not, I repeat, not a feminazi, I just thought that SOE didn't even bother to think about word choice "at all" and seemed to neglect the fact that, "yes Joe...there really are female gamers." and decided to go with a term with the conatation that these games are designed by guys for guys(hence booby sliders and jiggle vision) and there is no female gamers. ::sighs:: I've been at odds with game designers over this topic for a long time. Not just the use of certain words but also their lack of foresight when designing their games. Guy gamers are all for us girls to play these games, but if we so much as make a suggestion that implies it should be gender friendly - well we crossed this weird line of you can play but only by our terms. For instance EA is never going to add female avatars to a game like "BF2". Which really annoys me to no end. They don't even reply to e-mails regarding the topic.
Anyway...what does it matter the guys(males) will never see it from our point of view. I'll shut up about this now. Seems I was wrong to think that guys would even be somewhat sympathetic to this issue.
They should rename it to The Pink Sisterhood of Love.
Over and out, dear females.
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See that's just it...they don't think. j/k OMG I'm going to get fried for that one - watch. Anyway...I have been called a bit of a tomboy all my life by guys, maybe because I tend to hang with the "guys" in their little cliques and am accepted by them so readily because I like to be with "guys" and I find gaming with them fun. With that being said I am not, I repeat, not a feminazi, I just thought that SOE didn't even bother to think about word choice "at all" and seemed to neglect the fact that, "yes Joe...there really are female gamers." and decided to go with a term with the conatation that these games are designed by guys for guys(hence booby sliders and jiggle vision) and there is no female gamers. ::sighs:: I've been at odds with game designers over this topic for a long time. Not just the use of certain words but also their lack of foresight when designing their games. Guy gamers are all for us girls to play these games, but if we so much as make a suggestion that implies it should be gender friendly - well we crossed this weird line of you can play but only by our terms. For instance EA is never going to add female avatars to a game like "BF2". Which really annoys me to no end. They don't even reply to e-mails regarding the topic.
Anyway...what does it matter the guys(males) will never see it from our point of view. I'll shut up about this now. Seems I was wrong to think that guys would even be somewhat sympathetic to this issue.
Think of what male sympathy to this cause would mean!"unisex gaming groups" today
no boobie-slider tomowrrow
no more miniskirts next week!
Do we want that?!
Truth be told I understand where you are coming from, and agree with you (don't look at me like that, me brothers, I am only saying it to get in her pants ... joking).
I too would like to see women more elevated on an intellectual level, I am so bored of the "no substance, only looks" ideology. I am past the age of looking only for a great body, I look for a great person.
Yes, the gaming industry is among those where women are yet to reach equality, but they never will, since the new trend (and I don't know how women can swallow this with their pride) seen in MTV (and teenagers learn from that) is that women are but the bottom-shaking and boobie-size. Check out you-tube and the gazillion underaged girls shaking their bottoms in front of their webcams to some BS rap or rnb song.
Anyway, my point is "brotherhood" is but a sidenote if you compare it to other more irritating discrimination issues.
See that's just it...they don't think. j/k OMG I'm going to get fried for that one - watch. Anyway...I have been called a bit of a tomboy all my life by guys, maybe because I tend to hang with the "guys" in their little cliques and am accepted by them so readily because I like to be with "guys" and I find gaming with them fun. With that being said I am not, I repeat, not a feminazi, I just thought that SOE didn't even bother to think about word choice "at all" and seemed to neglect the fact that, "yes Joe...there really are female gamers." and decided to go with a term with the conatation that these games are designed by guys for guys(hence booby sliders and jiggle vision) and there is no female gamers. ::sighs:: I've been at odds with game designers over this topic for a long time. Not just the use of certain words but also their lack of foresight when designing their games. Guy gamers are all for us girls to play these games, but if we so much as make a suggestion that implies it should be gender friendly - well we crossed this weird line of you can play but only by our terms. For instance EA is never going to add female avatars to a game like "BF2". Which really annoys me to no end. They don't even reply to e-mails regarding the topic.
Anyway...what does it matter the guys(males) will never see it from our point of view. I'll shut up about this now. Seems I was wrong to think that guys would even be somewhat sympathetic to this issue.
Think of what male sympathy to this cause would mean!"unisex gaming groups" today
no boobie-slider tomowrrow
no more miniskirts next week!
Do we want that?!
Truth be told I understand where you are coming from, and agree with you (don't look at me like that, me brothers, I am only saying it to get in her pants ... joking).
I too would like to see women more elevated on an intellectual level, I am so bored of the "no substance, only looks" ideology. I am past the age of looking only for a great body, I look for a great person.
Yes, the gaming industry is among those where women are yet to reach equality, but they never will, since the new trend (and I don't know how women can swallow this with their pride) seen in MTV (and teenagers learn from that) is that women are but the bottom-shaking and boobie-size. Check out you-tube and the gazillion underaged girls shaking their bottoms in front of their webcams to some BS rap or rnb song.
Anyway, my point is "brotherhood" is but a sidenote if you compare it to other more irritating discrimination issues.
Whats wrong with huge boobies and miniskirts?!
If you don't like it then STFU and GTFO!
See that's just it...they don't think. j/k OMG I'm going to get fried for that one - watch. Anyway...I have been called a bit of a tomboy all my life by guys, maybe because I tend to hang with the "guys" in their little cliques and am accepted by them so readily because I like to be with "guys" and I find gaming with them fun. With that being said I am not, I repeat, not a feminazi, I just thought that SOE didn't even bother to think about word choice "at all" and seemed to neglect the fact that, "yes Joe...there really are female gamers." and decided to go with a term with the conatation that these games are designed by guys for guys(hence booby sliders and jiggle vision) and there is no female gamers. ::sighs:: I've been at odds with game designers over this topic for a long time. Not just the use of certain words but also their lack of foresight when designing their games. Guy gamers are all for us girls to play these games, but if we so much as make a suggestion that implies it should be gender friendly - well we crossed this weird line of you can play but only by our terms. For instance EA is never going to add female avatars to a game like "BF2". Which really annoys me to no end. They don't even reply to e-mails regarding the topic.
Anyway...what does it matter the guys(males) will never see it from our point of view. I'll shut up about this now. Seems I was wrong to think that guys would even be somewhat sympathetic to this issue.
Think of what male sympathy to this cause would mean!"unisex gaming groups" today
no boobie-slider tomowrrow
no more miniskirts next week!
Do we want that?!
Truth be told I understand where you are coming from, and agree with you (don't look at me like that, me brothers, I am only saying it to get in her pants ... joking).
I too would like to see women more elevated on an intellectual level, I am so bored of the "no substance, only looks" ideology. I am past the age of looking only for a great body, I look for a great person.
Yes, the gaming industry is among those where women are yet to reach equality, but they never will, since the new trend (and I don't know how women can swallow this with their pride) seen in MTV (and teenagers learn from that) is that women are but the bottom-shaking and boobie-size. Check out you-tube and the gazillion underaged girls shaking their bottoms in front of their webcams to some BS rap or rnb song.
Anyway, my point is "brotherhood" is but a sidenote if you compare it to other more irritating discrimination issues.
Whats wrong with huge boobies and miniskirts?!
If you don't like it then STFU and GTFO!
There is the answer to any questions regarding why guys and girls alike tend to discriminate in-game "female" players.
SOE should also redistribute the game in 2 versions
Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
and
Vanguard: Saga of Heroines
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Watch your words; they become actions.
Watch your actions; they become habits.
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It is wrong ... wait, since it's my taste we're talking about here ... in is not interesting enough if a woman is as shallow as a miniskirt and a big boob!
I am saying women are more than that, not that I don't look at a good looking girl passing by on the street.
See that's just it...they don't think. j/k OMG I'm going to get fried for that one - watch. Anyway...I have been called a bit of a tomboy all my life by guys, maybe because I tend to hang with the "guys" in their little cliques and am accepted by them so readily because I like to be with "guys" and I find gaming with them fun. With that being said I am not, I repeat, not a feminazi, I just thought that SOE didn't even bother to think about word choice "at all" and seemed to neglect the fact that, "yes Joe...there really are female gamers." and decided to go with a term with the conatation that these games are designed by guys for guys(hence booby sliders and jiggle vision) and there is no female gamers. ::sighs:: I've been at odds with game designers over this topic for a long time. Not just the use of certain words but also their lack of foresight when designing their games. Guy gamers are all for us girls to play these games, but if we so much as make a suggestion that implies it should be gender friendly - well we crossed this weird line of you can play but only by our terms. For instance EA is never going to add female avatars to a game like "BF2". Which really annoys me to no end. They don't even reply to e-mails regarding the topic.
Anyway...what does it matter the guys(males) will never see it from our point of view. I'll shut up about this now. Seems I was wrong to think that guys would even be somewhat sympathetic to this issue.
Think of what male sympathy to this cause would mean!"unisex gaming groups" today
no boobie-slider tomowrrow
no more miniskirts next week!
Do we want that?!
Truth be told I understand where you are coming from, and agree with you (don't look at me like that, me brothers, I am only saying it to get in her pants ... joking).
I too would like to see women more elevated on an intellectual level, I am so bored of the "no substance, only looks" ideology. I am past the age of looking only for a great body, I look for a great person.
Yes, the gaming industry is among those where women are yet to reach equality, but they never will, since the new trend (and I don't know how women can swallow this with their pride) seen in MTV (and teenagers learn from that) is that women are but the bottom-shaking and boobie-size. Check out you-tube and the gazillion underaged girls shaking their bottoms in front of their webcams to some BS rap or rnb song.
Anyway, my point is "brotherhood" is but a sidenote if you compare it to other more irritating discrimination issues.
Whats wrong with huge boobies and miniskirts?!
If you don't like it then STFU and GTFO!
There is the answer to any questions regarding why guys and girls alike tend to discriminate in-game "female" players.
Come back when you actually make some sense.die.
This thread fails bigtime. It's a classic chick-whine about chick-crap that no one but a female ( & a small portion of them, might I add) would care about.
Na, you came here looking to pick a fight. Females make poor trolls?
Who knew... 
Na, you came here looking to pick a fight. Females make poor trolls?
Who knew... 
Oh yea...well in the immortal words of Pat Benetar, "put up your dukes and lets get down to it..."
"To the guys that play Vangaurd, how would you feel if it turned around and it was called "sisterhood" - hehehe do you think it would be appropriate? I mean in my mind sisterhood looks and sounds better then brotherhood so what would be wrong with sisterhood?"
It would be odd and it's already odd to call it the brotherhood but humm...
then I look at a game like CNC with The Brotherhood of Nod and I never heard any complaining that it should be known as the sisterhood of nod.
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Okay this PC crap has got to go. It just has to. On onehand you have women screaming equal treatment with men, on the other hand theyll glare at you if you dont hold a door, or pay for the date, or buy them flowers. But oh yeah they want equal treatment. (as long as you throw in the perks).
Okay that little rant aside. lets be as un PC as possible. You are obviously troubled about the use of the word brotherhood when elsewhere women have been, are, and will be exploited. And this is your biggest concern?
Okay I digress, im not trying to be mean or rude. But Cmon, youve really gotta invest your time elsewhere, youve gotta be able to find a bigger fish than that to fry.
P.S. I teach both my daughters that what you can do or cant do as a person hasnt a thing to do with your gender. But you cant explect equal treatment AND preferential treatment as a woman in this day and age.
Okay this PC crap has got to go. It just has to. On onehand you have women screaming equal treatment with men, on the other hand theyll glare at you if you dont hold a door, or pay for the date, or buy them flowers. But oh yeah they want equal treatment. (as long as you throw in the perks).
Okay that little rant aside. lets be as un PC as possible. You are obviously troubled about the use of the word brotherhood when elsewhere women have been, are, and will be exploited. And this is your biggest concern?
Okay I digress, im not trying to be mean or rude. But Cmon, youve really gotta invest your time elsewhere, youve gotta be able to find a bigger fish than that to fry.
P.S. I teach both my daughters that what you can do or cant do as a person hasnt a thing to do with your gender. But you cant explect equal treatment AND preferential treatment as a woman in this day and age.
Who asked for equal treatment and preferential treatment...we're discussing the word chosen by SOE to depict EXP sharing system. LOL! What do you think this has something to do with me asking for more exp then a guy or something if we participate in this system or what? All I am asking is why didn't SOE consider a different word to be used that was a little more gender inclusive. Talk about me getting my panties in a wad...this guy has me beat.
I don't know... I think ' Vanguard: Saga of She'roes ' sounds better. As far as sisterhood, like i said anyone concerned with that is being just as silly as someone concerned with brotherhood.
I don't know about the Pink sisterhood though
pink is too light, and makes me look even more pale.
SOE should have known better though.
They always make the wrong decisions in everything they do.
They continue to prove it,.
They should have know changing fellowships to brotherhood would have made females complain,cause females love to complain.
I blame Jeff Butler. if fellowships would have been impleMENted correctly the first time around, this would have never happened.
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