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CCP to establish oversight committee.
NaThuul
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The kingdom is in crisis. After pledging to treat its citizens equally, the government stands accused of unfairly favoring one powerful, well-connected political faction. Many citizens have taken to open dissent, even revolt, and some are threatening to emigrate permanently.
This specter of corruption has emerged most recently not in some post-colonial trouble spot but in the virtual nation of an Internet game called Eve Online (population 200,000) where aspiring star pilots fight over thousands of solar systems in a vast science-fiction universe every day.
So now, in a sociological twist, the company that makes Eve, CCP, based in Iceland (population 300,000), says it will tackle the problem the way a democracy would. In what appears to be a first, the company plans to hold elections so that players can select members of an oversight committee.
The company will then fly those players to Iceland regularly so they can audit CCP’s operations and report back to their player-constituents. And taking cues from transitions to democracy in the developing world, CCP says it will call in election monitors from universities in Europe and the United States.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/07/arts/07eve.html
Perhaps this will finally shut up those unable to accept it being mainly their own lack of skill, and not CCP corruption that leads to them failing miserably at what they're trying to do.
Two big thumbs up!
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Oh, almsot forgot.. Why is only the accused interviewed in this article? Sir Molle and Blacklight and CCP? Where they on the same voicechat when the reporter called?
Aaaw, must get more tinfoil..
And there is the situation with SirMolle and several BoB leadership that should have been banned 1) naming Kuguts and 2) boosting they got Dev's on their contactlist for MSN (Arkanon have stated that this is illegal.)
First two replies just prove the law:
Nothing will satisfy those who desire to hate something.
Hate to break this to you but there's really nothing more that they can do. CCP has bent over backwards to try to make it apparent that they are not corrupt but nothing makes you people happy. Just stop posting, really. They have changed their internal policies, added new internal divisions for monitoring, are adding a 3rd party oversight committee, removed the bpo's which were added by T20 from the game, appologised for it happening, clearly stated that they will not allow it to happen again and if it somehow DOES happen again will react much more swiftly and thoroughly,
Furthermore the 'recent' allegations were all fake. The only question remaining from that goon letter is whether some BoB members have CCP Dev team members on their MSN Chat. That's it... it's minor... hell it's nothing. Anyone in the game can hop on the IRC support channel anytime they want to. Further they can PRIVATE MESSAGE CCP employees, including devs, through that interface. Just as fast and just as easily as MSN chat. (Actually IRC is much more powerful than MSN).
So what's left? Just hate CCP because you are still steamed over something that occurred a year ago? Or sit up and realize that maybe you were wrong and CCP is honestly trying to make things right?
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
There are other players within BoB who have boosted about having Dev's on MSN contact and Arkanon have stated that this is not allowed... do these guys get punished ? no ...
Kuguts did get banned for naming SirMolle on the forum (and rightly so too), he also got banned for costing the company money (probably for loosing subs (me included)).
However this is also points of EULA break that SirMolle and other BoB leadership have done themself guilty of... so why not ban these ?
When SirMolle and some leadership of BoB are gone from the game, and CCP starts to enforce their rules equal to the playerbase then yeah I will be happy.
There are other players within BoB who have boosted about having Dev's on MSN contact and Arkanon have stated that this is not allowed... do these guys get punished ? no ...
Kuguts did get banned for naming SirMolle on the forum (and rightly so too), he also got banned for costing the company money (probably for loosing subs (me included)).
However this is also points of EULA break that SirMolle and other BoB leadership have done themself guilty of... so why not ban these ?
When SirMolle and some leadership of BoB are gone from the game, and CCP starts to enforce their rules equal to the playerbase then yeah I will be happy.
And after that it will be something else..
Then something else...
Then something else
etc.
Sorry... I just don't buy that anything will make the 'haters' happy. If I'm mis-reading your post then I appologise. But I'm rather thoroughly sick of this topic to be honest.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
Taram what will having the largest alliance members being flown to Icland to make personaly freinds with the DEV's solve. Its like comping your high rolers at the casino. The problem is and also has been Dev's bluring the line between their jobs and activly engaging in EVE game play. All CCP has to do is remove all DEV personal accounts and have their empoyes keep a profesional distance from the EVE players.
This hole thing is a brilliant political and marketing move by CCP, Kudos to you. Politicaly the larg alliances will all get to have = face and lobby time with their favorite dev freinds. Marketing wise in the midst of CCP hurting from bad press, this makes it to the NY times. How about Sir Molle from BOB championing this, Hm. He should of been banned many would agree. This will silence most of the people calling for reform. Although IM not sure if it will make EVE anybetter off.
EVE is one of the better MMO's out right now but it may just be to Facsist for my taste.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
There is nothing minor about the MSN issue.
It, in fact, has been the last straw for many people who were still hanging onto the game after the T20 episode. People who loved the game enough to stick around and give CCP a chance to implement their fixes to that issue. The MSN issue and the way the new internal investigation handled the issue came up very short on the promises CCP made.
There are alot of things that can be done for CCP to recover. Its not too late to fire T20 for one. The entire arguement that he was already punished so we can't punish him again is rediculous. This is a place of bussiness, not a criminal case, so double jeopardy is acceptable; especially in this case where the first punishment was not sufficient enough to account for the damage created by the offense.
Secondly, no player should have direct contact with a developer for game issues. Petition systems are fair and at least auditable so it should stay there.
I do not however think this oversight committee will solve anything. It smells more like PR, which is pretty much what the CCP Internal Investigations department turned out to be also.
Does this make me a hater?
LoL Proof pls.
I love the way the tinfoilhats have come out again after all we dont even know How this is going to be done. Just that it is.
This is the same kind of garbage $OE tried to pull back with EQ and the raiders and then with SWG/NGE.
Who is going? There is absolutely NO way to get a representative group of players involved. And how are they going to "audit" the operations? Will they even know what to look for?
This is a waste of time and money. I hope the article turns out to be a hoax.
It would be nice if CCP would just enforce their own rules fairly across the spectrum. Sadly, they haven't yet, and this is just another sign that they don't intend too.
So rather than waiting to see how this works out you're ready to just jump up and assume things? Nice. By the way, nowhere in the entire article did they state HOW players would choose representatives, just that they would. Personally I'm willing to wait and see how they implement this before starting to throw rocks at the idea. I hear plenty of complaints from you and people like you. I don't see many suggestions on how to make changes that you WOULD accept as CCP trying to do the right thing.
I didn't say this would fix anything. I said that nothing will make you haters happy. And all you're doing is proving me right.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
I agree. What's done is done. You can't take it back.
When the joy has gone out of it already it doesn't take much to turn things sour.
I think stagnation is a problem for this game. I don't think new players have any particular chance of altering the existing hierarchy. And they know it. It's a game of politics that has already been won. And all the rest are just symptoms of this core problem.
I myself will be voting BoB.
Taram i have stated very clearly how CCP could clean up their house. They have to delet all dev private accounts. Just to be clear i will restate it for you, CCP needs to delet all dev private accounts. Devs need to be DEVs not palyers, they cant run EVE objectivly if they are in player corps.
I have stated why i belive the majore alliance leaders will be the ones who will represent us all. Who has the most players organized under a single managment? Who has the isk in EVE. Commonsence would lead me to belive that the largest alliances in EVE will have the representatives. Do you think CCP will let them all come from one alliance all 8 or so?, Na. This is a smart potlitical move on their part. Why was Sir molle the guy quoted in the NY times article. Sir Molle has to be the last one anyone in EVE wanted to anounce this to the world.
Evreything CCP does is to protect the old gaurd. Will or can a new player starting today ever be better than a old toon in EVE?, Nope Skilling in EVE is senoirity based.
Can a new pilot who makes a toon today ever compete with the old corps industrial skills, Nope you cant get tech 2 bpo's anymore you have to use invention which will always be more expensive then Bpo's to make things.
Not much about EVE is lvl playing. Why dont Devs want to get out of the EVE player base with their uber 60 mill sp private accounts.Answer is theirs to much money in EVE. Perhaps more than in real life for some players.
This seems like a expensive and time consuming way for CCP to fix their management problem. Their willing to fly people from God knows where to wine and dine rather than remove their private accounts and ban players who have been abusing freindships with Devs. Wouldnt it be easyer to delete the Dev accounts and change their MSN ? lol
This move gets them in the headlines and will silence many pilots in the larger alliances.Im not sure if it will make EVE better for Evreyone.
I agree. What's done is done. You can't take it back.
When the joy has gone out of it already it doesn't take much to turn things sour.
I think stagnation is a problem for this game. I don't think new players have any particular chance of altering the existing hierarchy. And they know it. It's a game of politics that has already been won. And all the rest are just symptoms of this core problem.
I myself will be voting BoB.
BoB doesn't need to be on the commitiee, they got MSNWhich Final Fantasy Character Are You?
if I were to kill a titan tomorrow and no CCP employees showed up to say grats I would petition it.
Waiting for: the next MMO that lets me make this macro
if hp < 30 then CastSpell("heal") SpellTargetUnit("player") else CastSpell("smite") end
I agree. What's done is done. You can't take it back.
When the joy has gone out of it already it doesn't take much to turn things sour.
I think stagnation is a problem for this game. I don't think new players have any particular chance of altering the existing hierarchy. And they know it. It's a game of politics that has already been won. And all the rest are just symptoms of this core problem.
I myself will be voting BoB.
Ofcourse CCP can set things straight... sure they can't undo what have been done... but that does not mean CCP can't ban SirMolle and various leaders in various alliances and start being very strict and faithful towards their EULA and breaches of it.
Facts are that SirMolle did break the EULA, in same way as Kuguts did.. and for that they should Ban SirMolle... also other BoB characters who have boosted about their Dev contacts .. should recive punishment for that as Arkanon have stated is not legal.
You know when I was in the military we would go about our business from day to day doing our jobs and complaining about one thing or another. There were things that needed to get fixed, painted, replaced etc... a thousand things that seemed to never get addressed and we just had to live with it. That is until some General wanted to do a "Surprise" inspection of his units to see how things really were at the soldiers level of things.
For a couple of weeks before the "Surprise" inspection thats when things would get fixed, repaired, replaced etc... individuals were selected to have a chat with the General so he could get the soldiers perspective. You know the guys I'm talking about, the guys who ran around kissing booty, getting as much face time as they could so they got the early promotions or never seemed to have to pull a detail for the Sgt Major. All for the purpose of showing the General that he had a tight outfit and that there weren't any problems.
So CCP wants to put together an oversight group, thats good in principle. Personally the notion of making a popularity contest out of it is going to give them exactly what they want. A bunch of players that are biased favorably toward CCP, that they can clean things up for prior to their scheduled arrival for their "Surprise" inspection. They need to randomly pick out people who can then drop in unannouced to check things out, you know walk into the developers cubicals and take a look over their shoulders, I highly doubt that CCP employees personal accounts are going to be able to be checked out to see who they play with.
Don't get me wrong I think its a great idea but it needs to be done in a manner that allows it to have a candid look at whats going on rather than seeing whats been cleaned up prior for the "Surprise" inspection.
Great post.
Rather than bi*ch and moan about CCPs attempts to rectify the situation, players should be organizing ideas on how this opportunity could do the most good, and offer the most transparency. What do the new Reps need to have access to? Who should they have contact with? What is the best way to elect the Reps? These are the questions the community should be asking...not dismissing this announcment outright.
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No you can't have my stuff, I'll be back in a month.
This was a complete surprise to me. I had expected CCP to just ignore the issue completely. I'm glad that they are trying *something*.
I am very impressed that Hilmar stated two things publicly.
"Perception is reality, and if a substantial part of our community feels like we are biased, whether it is true or not, it is true to them"
"A government cant just keep saying, We are not corrupt. No one will believe them. Instead you have to create transparency and robust institutions and oversight in order to maintain the confidence of the population."
I'm willing to give CCP the benefit of the doubt on this for the time being. Hopefully, they will come up with a selection process that makes sense and the committee will be able to be effective in its oversight.