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Mass. Lawmakers Block Gay Marriage Vote
porgie
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Mass. Lawmakers Block Gay Marriage Vote
So, it took the legislatures to do the right thing in a state finally. Things like this should NEVER be left up to the voters and these legislatures saw that. We do not live in a democracy and there is a reason for that. Mob rules does not work and it never has. I congratulate them for having the balls to stand up to the masses and tell them that storming the castle with pitchforks to get at the "monster" inside doesn't work in this country.
And it took social liberals to stand up to social conservatives who used to claim to be for less intrusive government? Wow, what a strange new world we live in. But then again, wasn't it social conservatives who didn't want blacks to be equal either? I guess there not all that much for freedom, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as much as they think they are.
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Edit: Nevermind on my link, we're using different pages
"Former Gov. Mitt Romney, now running for president, called the vote "a regrettable setback" and said it makes it more important now to pass a national amendment banning gay marriage.
"Marriage is an institution that goes to the heart of our society, and our leaders can no longer abdicate their responsibility," he said."
The quote above amuses me, is that why the divorce rate for American first marriages is 41%? (http://www.divorcerate.org/)
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Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
Way to go Massachusetts!
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Religious Marriage should be between a man and a woman. (IE a marriage in a church) Legal marriage done by a civil servant (like a judge) should be between any sex. Man/Man Man/Woman Woman/Woman should all legally be allowed. Whether it is called a marriage or not, well that is up to society really, but a civil union should be allowed by all people no matter what sexual orientation they are. (and that civil union should confer all the same rights that a marriage does, no exceptions and it should be nation wide)
But I still stand by that Marriage in the religious sense should not be allowed at least in christian churches, since it is specifically against the Bible.
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Common sense and fairplay? In America?
This is a hoax right? :P
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Oh don't get all pissy, im just messing with you.
Now the gay people in Massachusets can suffer with all the rest of us married straight folk.
Poor b*stards!
Some reporter, “What do you think of gay marriage?”
Stan from south parth, “um, it’s gay?”
Nowhere in the constitution does the federal government have any jurisdiction over any marriage issue. That is a law each state has the right to govern.
Sure what I said does not apply to the above story. But, it is just another case in point where our government completely disregards the constitution and the law to be the power mongers that they are.
Congratulations Massachusetts. It's nice to know at least one state got this damn thing right.
Now, I wonder what's going to happen when the other states have to recognize marriages from Massachusetts?
Does everyone realize that if this wasn't a government issue, then it would not be an issue at all? If we left marriage up to the religious institutions instead of having the government give out recognition of one thing over another then it would shut everyone up!
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It all seems so stupid
It makes me want to give up
But why should I give up
When it all seems so stupid
Gov. Mitt Romney can kiss my ass.
This is great news. Now if they want to try for it again, it wont make it to the ballot till 2012. XD
But I also feel that the government should stay out of marriage.
Some religions want only a man/woman. But there are also other religions, like Pagan ones such as Wicca, that allow man/man woman/woman and man/woman as well. But they arn't allowed to get married to the same sex. Pretty absured.
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As I see it, much like joining the military, any homosexual fool enough to get married is welcome to do so. Right wing conservatives, and the Christian Coalition get their tits in a twist about it? Tough nookie. Aren't Conservatives supposed to be about smaller government, anyway? Funny how they seem to be so interested about what's going on in everyone's bedroom but their own(Hi2u Mark Foley!!)
They, however, will receive no special protections, due to sexual orientation, from the sheer hell that wedlock.
"If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them shall have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltyness is upon them." Leviticus 20:13
I think the word 'abomination' is pretty damning...Men who lie with other men, shall be taken to the edge of the village and stoned to death. I couldn't find that passage, it read something like that....
The point? Homosexuals are wrong. Even Lesbians, the good looking ones too, however much I love them...they are an Abomination...
"If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them shall have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltyness is upon them." Leviticus 20:13
I think the word 'abomination' is pretty damning...Men who lie with other men, shall be taken to the edge of the village and stoned to death. I couldn't find that passage, it read something like that....
The point? Homosexuals are wrong. Even Lesbians, the good looking ones too, however much I love them...they are an Abomination... Check my sig, Simmage.
And read up on Levitical law since you're so quick to quote it.
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This issue has NOTHING to do with religion. All you sheeples spouting off "Marriage is the sacred institution between a man and a woman and is the backbone of society" are just towing the party line without even realizing you're being taken for a ride.
$ and discrimination. That's all this is.
If a homosexual couple lives a normal lifestyle and even adopts a child, pays their taxes on time, votes in every election, and even attends the PTA: they aren't eligible under the law for the same tax-breaks and legal protections that Bob and Sue Redneck are just because of their sexual preference. Does that make sense? What does that have to do with religion or the sanctity of marriage?
/endrant.
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Because those damned queers might have a lower divorce rate, and make heterosexuals, and the... uh "Sanctity of Marriage" look bad.
Ooh, look, a drive through wedding chapel with a midget, and an Elvis impersonator! Weeee!
Oops, I'm sober now, and you're fat and ugly. Now, where's that drive through divorce place? Oh yeah, right next door to the drive through weddings.
Sanctity my ass.
"If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them shall have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltyness is upon them." Leviticus 20:13
I think the word 'abomination' is pretty damning...Men who lie with other men, shall be taken to the edge of the village and stoned to death. I couldn't find that passage, it read something like that....
The point? Homosexuals are wrong. Even Lesbians, the good looking ones too, however much I love them...they are an Abomination... From West Wing episode "The Midterms"...
Yes, it does. Leviticus. 18:22
Chapter and verse. I wanted to ask you a couple of questions while I had you here.
I'm interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7.
She's a Georgetown sophomore, speaks fluent Italian, and always clears the table when it was
her turn. What would a good price for her be? While thinking about that, can I ask another?
My Chief of Staff, Leo McGarry, insists on working on the Sabbath, Exodus 35:2, clearly says
he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself or is it okay to call
the police? Here's one that's really important, 'cause we've got a lot of sports fans in this
town. Touching the skin of a dead pig makes us unclean, Leviticus 11:7. If they promise to wear
gloves, can the Washington Redskins still play football? Can Notre Dame? Can West Point? Does
the whole town really have to be together to stone my brother, John, for planting different
crops side by side? Can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments made
from two different threads?
The most important part of reading is reading between the lines.
All the cute crap from the West Wing will get you nowhere as soon as someone starts quoting Romans, which also talks about Homosexual acts being sinful.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
I hate to start a bible quote war but..
"9Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. 10Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honor one another above yourselves. 11Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. 12Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. 13Share with God's people who are in need. Practice hospitality. "
Suppose that said sinful homosexuals are good people, and follow the bible to the word, even the parts that contradict the other parts, if their love is sincere, and they are good people, does sinful nature cancel out good acts, or is an abomination worse than a devout person?
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"If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them shall have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltyness is upon them." Leviticus 20:13
I think the word 'abomination' is pretty damning...Men who lie with other men, shall be taken to the edge of the village and stoned to death. I couldn't find that passage, it read something like that....
The point? Homosexuals are wrong. Even Lesbians, the good looking ones too, however much I love them...they are an Abomination... Check my sig, Simmage.
And read up on Levitical law since you're so quick to quote it.
I agree with others when I say that Civil Marriage between Man and Man is fine. If they wisj to be married by the church, it's up to the church.
I don't really see your point, asking me to read levitical law, it's pretty basic commom sence. Although he does like that word Abominantion. Which Homo's are btw. I can't change your mind is you disagree though.
And for future reference if anyone would like to know...I'm Luthrein
So says all but the most liberal and agendized churches. I hate to break it to you, but from everything that I've seen and read on the issue, there is no reason whatsoever to interpret the passages as anything but what they have traditionally been interpreted as. We had a debate about this a few weeks ago and Upallnight was going to send me a PM with his pastor's reasoning for believing that the passages in Romans and Kings were having to do with homosexual prostitution(as opposed to homosexual love)...as of yet I have not recieved a PM about it and continue to have absolutely no reason to interpret them as anything but what they say in very plain language. I believe that the spirit and letter of what is written in the Bible regarding homosexuality, and sexual sin of ANY kind, is very clear...It is only recently that churches have begun to reinterpret it to mean something else in an effort to fit with current standards of moral relativity...such is NOT a permissable practice when it comes to Biblical text. It is not there for people to twist and change to make their own.
Please note that I am not putting homosexuality on any kind of a pedestol regarding the graveness of the sin. The severity of a sin is not for me to judge, and I do not believe that homosexual lifestyles are any more sinful than people who engage heterosexual sin.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
How can you take anything the church and the bible has to say seriously?