The ONLY reason this bothers me is because of past experience. Sure, they stated they don't have any financial troubles and everything is fine. But we've heard this same song and dance from other people who recently ended up selling out.. err, I mean, selling off to SOE.
Now, do I really care? Not so much. Until tonight, I had NO interest in playing PotBS. Now that I've read a little about it, I'm someone impressed. But how do I feel about SOE? Well, although I was playing SWG through all of their awful patches, hot fixes, CU, and NGE phases, I'm a current subscriber because I find the game entertaining. If I had a better CPU, I'd probably enjoy it a little more, but having to dumb down the graphics (even though the game is several years old now), ticks me off. I don't blame SOE for my old computer mind you, it's just that the game is so old, you'd figure my system (AMD 64 3000 / 2GB / 6800 GS OC 256MB) would be able to enable shadows and whatnot - it can't w/o seriously lagging me out. So, while I was a hater of SOE from just after NGE until recently, I'm really indifferent to them at this point. I'm over that hate.
I was also one of those suckers that bought Vanguard and was very eager to play it. It's sad, but I kind of see the same cool factor to PotBS that I did in Vanguard.. it has the potential to be a very large game. Although I did see VSoH as being huge, PotBS could be very large and looks to have several cool "fun" features in it.
Summary, this is news that makes me feel some anxiety, but it's not a deal breaker for me. As a matter of fact, since I do own VSoH and SWG, I may (when I upgrade my computer) get the station pass and go for the trifecta if I do get PotBS. Although I would hate explaining to my wife why my MMO fee doubled lol.
I edited my post above, but in essence thats the point- we've heard this song and dance before and it turned into a debacle with Sigil.
As for the guy who said Flying Labs has money- unless you're an internal employee working in Finance, you have no idea what their financial situation is.
If they had so much money ,why not publish the game with their own resources and technology? To me this is bad outsourcing in the worst degree.
SoE isnt that bad of a company. They have released a lot of games with frequent updates and with the expection of the NGE, they listen to the company most of the time.
SOE doesnt have their hands on design? Sure, maybe not now.... Its amazing to me how some people elect to forget what just happened a couple of months ago.....Let me remind you all that SOE didnt have creative control over Sigil/Vanguard when that publishing deal was made...But take a look at what has happened since- the largest MMO debacle in the 10 years this industry has been in existence. I think thats enough said....definitely not paying SOE a dime for creative control, no creative control, publishing, etc.- doesnt really matter to me- theyre not getting my money, and hundreds, probably thousands feel the same way. A game that was going to be a success just really made a bad PR move.
Sure, Sigil and Bonehead Mquaid had a lot to do with that game's downfall- but the SOE pressure, personnel, decisions, and future decisions are going to be the death of that game just like SWG....Just watch.
As for POTBS, it's pretty sad theyve had to all but spam "Oh wait guys, SOE doesnt have design control" just so people will give it the time of day now- that should say something about a company. Also- design control or not- why would you give your game to a shady (at best) corporation who has proven to make bad design and game evolution decisions? Theres plenty of other good publishers out there....
Your just piss off from vanguard being a failure. So you don't blame the developers you blame Sony. You make me laugh.
So Why do you question that they have to spam"We are in control"? Becuase of people like you.
I'm not saying Potbs going to be good. I don't even think i'll like it. They change so many features sence 02 what I wanted to play. Now I'm just hoping I'll enjoy the changes.
EA-Mythic is the same deal with Warhammer. Things like this are nothing NEW. It hard for independent to market and publish it.
-- "Any free people have the right to choose how it wants to be govern thats the essence of democracy. It's sad when America has chosen for the stability and consistency of a dictatorship and doing it democratically" -utnow
And Valant I edited my post too. Also when i said they had money I didn't mean that much money.
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... the largest MMO debacle in the 10 years this industry has been in existence.
I'm pretty sure this honor goes to DnL.
I've played several SOE MMOs over the years and recently canceled my station pass a few days after trying Vanguard. Hearing this does make me a bit nervous but that's mainly because of the MMO community's feelings about SOE. I personally haven't had any bad experiences with SOE and will probably reactivate my station pass to give the game a go. The game looks rather interesting and I've been wanting to try it out ever since I first came across it.
Dang---PotBS partnered with SOE---dang (that explains it all). Now that this happened, the game will be jumpy on most systems and it will lose content like SWG eventually did....
There you have it SOE---your poor reputation in a nut shell. If you even think about touching Age of Conan...Ooo don't get me started.
I dont see the problem w SOE publishing it. FLS still gets to maintain control of the game. People just need to move on...SWG was messed up but that was a while back...move on. This isnt SWG it isnt Vanguard (and people should know better than blame SOE for Vanguard), it isnt EQII etc etc etc. Its PoTBS and FLS keeps the rights to their game. Nuff said.
EDIT: some of the posters need to go and actually read the whole article before writing anything down. Most seemt o be reading the title and posting nonsense.
This game sounds great and looks fun, it’s nice to see a new idea in a flooded market of MMOs. I was hoping to be the first to buy the game and play, Seeing SoE has any part in this game changes my mind. After SWG, issues with Planet Side, Vanguard I will never install another game that has the SoE launcher.
We’ve all seen it before, the letter stating SoE will have no part in the development of the game but all ends the same. If only SoE would listen to its community it could be so much better. Sorry PotBS, you won’t get my money and that really sucks.
Instead of rewritting, I'll just cut and paste from their boards. Understand, the tone behind this is one of sadness, not anger:
Well, I can't say I'm surprised. I've had a nagging suspiscion that it was SoE for a while. I still can't help but think that they dragged out the negotiation to give Gods and Heroes a better window....but, that's just my crazy side talking.
Unfortunately, this also means my two years of following the game have been for not. I will not give SoE my business, no matter what game they put out. I have had too many personal issues with them in the past, and I dislike their overall business practices. When I don't like a company/business, I won't give them my money, it's that simple. (I don't buy diamonds, I don't shop Wal-Mart, I don't get gas from Exxon). It's unfortunate, since I was looking forward to the game, but I have to stick with my principles. Luckily, the friends I have introduced to the game don't have the same issues with SoE, so they should give you some business, despite my honest/fair warnings.
I'll probably float around the forums a bit till the release day comes, or maybe sooner, as I'm sure I'll have little to say. It's been fun watching this game grow and develop, and I'm very impressed with the community that's here.
And, I want to wish all the best for the developers/team at FLS. You've been a great bunch of sports, and hopefully, you've set the bar higher for other companies. Do your best to keep up the personal interaction you have with your fans and players. Hopefully, it'll become the standard.
Ah well.....time to prepare the ship for it's final sailing into the horizon.
Ahmen. How about that Sony just saved me from buying POTBS and paying a monthly fee. That's money I can put towards Tabula Rasa!!
Yeah I guess no PotBS for me...Hello Conan =P
Such a waiste of two years since I quit SWG, I was hoping PotBS would replace pre-cu SWG, but stupid SOE is getting it's hands all over this and I will have nothing to do with it.
I Reject your Reality and Substitute it with My Own!
OMG Are you F'ing serious??? They get there hands on ever dam MMO now. I Will NEVER buy this game now, SOE is evil they take everything away from me, look at SWG and more importantly Vanguard. HAHAH i think i am in a nightmare right now. welp there goes potbs...stay away...
For the people that are not gonna play the game Because of SoE i feel bad for you. Its not that hard to understand how the relationship is gonna work. SoE is not in charge of game development plane and simple and if you choose to not go with them because of past game experiences you dont have to worry about any of that with FLS, I had a per cu SWG character and lost alot of stuff because of the NGE and Cu but that doesn't meen I should hold another company accountable by not buying there game.
For the people that are not gonna play the game Because of SoE i feel bad for you. Its not that hard to understand how the relationship is gonna work. SoE is not in charge of game development plane and simple and if you choose to not go with them because of past game experiences you dont have to worry about any of that with FLS, I had a per cu SWG character and lost alot of stuff because of the NGE and Cu but that doesn't meen I should hold another company accountable by not buying there game.
This may be true, but I'm not going to put in months/years of work into a character only to one day it all fall down to a possible SOe involvement. I just will not ever take that chance as long as SOE is involved. I will never ever give SOE 1 cent directly or indirectly, way to much of a gamble and 100% distrust and hate for SOE.
I Reject your Reality and Substitute it with My Own!
For the people that are not gonna play the game Because of SoE i feel bad for you. Its not that hard to understand how the relationship is gonna work. SoE is not in charge of game development plane and simple and if you choose to not go with them because of past game experiences you dont have to worry about any of that with FLS, I had a per cu SWG character and lost alot of stuff because of the NGE and Cu but that doesn't meen I should hold another company accountable by not buying there game.
Sure,that's a fair point. Look, I'm not looking to hold FLS accountable for problems I've had with SoE, and I would hope that others aren't either. I'm not looking to bash SoE by insulting a game they did nothing to develop, and, again, I would hope people give FLS the benefit of the doubt.
But, I do have to, personally, hold SoE accountable for my interactions with them, and the business practices I've witnessed. The ONLY way I can only do that is with my wallet. I've done the same with non-gaming companies(as I listed before)....its simply the principles I, myself, live by.
So, again, all the best to FLS....but not my money. Sorry.
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Actually this could be better than most people expect... If you compare Sigil to the Current PotBS team you can see a lot of difference.
I for one actually enjoy Soe's skill when it comes to Billing and such...
1) We keep complete ownership of Pirates of the Burning Sea.
2) We have no interference from SOE on the development/ideas of the game.
3) Because we financed Pirates ourselves, we keep most of the revenues so we stay strong and independent.
4) The contract they gave us actually says what we agreed to verbally.
Didn't Sigil say the exact same thing
The ONLY reason this bothers me is because of past experience. Sure, they stated they don't have any financial troubles and everything is fine. But we've heard this same song and dance from other people who recently ended up selling out.. err, I mean, selling off to SOE.
Now, do I really care? Not so much. Until tonight, I had NO interest in playing PotBS. Now that I've read a little about it, I'm someone impressed. But how do I feel about SOE? Well, although I was playing SWG through all of their awful patches, hot fixes, CU, and NGE phases, I'm a current subscriber because I find the game entertaining. If I had a better CPU, I'd probably enjoy it a little more, but having to dumb down the graphics (even though the game is several years old now), ticks me off. I don't blame SOE for my old computer mind you, it's just that the game is so old, you'd figure my system (AMD 64 3000 / 2GB / 6800 GS OC 256MB) would be able to enable shadows and whatnot - it can't w/o seriously lagging me out. So, while I was a hater of SOE from just after NGE until recently, I'm really indifferent to them at this point. I'm over that hate.
I was also one of those suckers that bought Vanguard and was very eager to play it. It's sad, but I kind of see the same cool factor to PotBS that I did in Vanguard.. it has the potential to be a very large game. Although I did see VSoH as being huge, PotBS could be very large and looks to have several cool "fun" features in it.
Summary, this is news that makes me feel some anxiety, but it's not a deal breaker for me. As a matter of fact, since I do own VSoH and SWG, I may (when I upgrade my computer) get the station pass and go for the trifecta if I do get PotBS. Although I would hate explaining to my wife why my MMO fee doubled lol.
so...
I edited my post above, but in essence thats the point- we've heard this song and dance before and it turned into a debacle with Sigil.
As for the guy who said Flying Labs has money- unless you're an internal employee working in Finance, you have no idea what their financial situation is.
If they had so much money ,why not publish the game with their own resources and technology? To me this is bad outsourcing in the worst degree.
yes, they did
My list with mmo´s to looking forward to is shrinking. Now lets hope the team behind AoC dont sell their soul too.
SoE isnt that bad of a company. They have released a lot of games with frequent updates and with the expection of the NGE, they listen to the company most of the time.
Your just piss off from vanguard being a failure. So you don't blame the developers you blame Sony. You make me laugh.
So Why do you question that they have to spam"We are in control"? Becuase of people like you.
I'm not saying Potbs going to be good. I don't even think i'll like it. They change so many features sence 02 what I wanted to play. Now I'm just hoping I'll enjoy the changes.
EA-Mythic is the same deal with Warhammer. Things like this are nothing NEW. It hard for independent to market and publish it.
--
"Any free people have the right to choose how it wants to be govern thats the essence of democracy. It's sad when America has chosen for the stability and consistency of a dictatorship and doing it democratically" -utnow
And Valant I edited my post too. Also when i said they had money I didn't mean that much money.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
=The best bash.org quote ever=
Curt teh Juggler: our graduation ceremony was today, and right when some gamer nerd got his diploma, someone in the audience played the zelda "get item" music and he did the zelda spin-hold-out-item stance
Curt teh Juggler: it was quite possibly the most amazing thing ever.
This just in Sony acquires AoC.
In America I have bad teeth. If I lived in England my teeth would be perfect.
I'm pretty sure this honor goes to DnL.
I've played several SOE MMOs over the years and recently canceled my station pass a few days after trying Vanguard. Hearing this does make me a bit nervous but that's mainly because of the MMO community's feelings about SOE. I personally haven't had any bad experiences with SOE and will probably reactivate my station pass to give the game a go. The game looks rather interesting and I've been wanting to try it out ever since I first came across it.
I guess we'll see what happens (cross-fingers)
Dang---PotBS partnered with SOE---dang (that explains it all). Now that this happened, the game will be jumpy on most systems and it will lose content like SWG eventually did....
There you have it SOE---your poor reputation in a nut shell. If you even think about touching Age of Conan...Ooo don't get me started.
I dont see the problem w SOE publishing it. FLS still gets to maintain control of the game. People just need to move on...SWG was messed up but that was a while back...move on. This isnt SWG it isnt Vanguard (and people should know better than blame SOE for Vanguard), it isnt EQII etc etc etc. Its PoTBS and FLS keeps the rights to their game. Nuff said.
EDIT: some of the posters need to go and actually read the whole article before writing anything down. Most seemt o be reading the title and posting nonsense.
that really sucks.
Instead of rewritting, I'll just cut and paste from their boards. Understand, the tone behind this is one of sadness, not anger:
Unfortunately, this also means my two years of following the game have been for not. I will not give SoE my business, no matter what game they put out. I have had too many personal issues with them in the past, and I dislike their overall business practices. When I don't like a company/business, I won't give them my money, it's that simple. (I don't buy diamonds, I don't shop Wal-Mart, I don't get gas from Exxon). It's unfortunate, since I was looking forward to the game, but I have to stick with my principles. Luckily, the friends I have introduced to the game don't have the same issues with SoE, so they should give you some business, despite my honest/fair warnings.
I'll probably float around the forums a bit till the release day comes, or maybe sooner, as I'm sure I'll have little to say. It's been fun watching this game grow and develop, and I'm very impressed with the community that's here.
And, I want to wish all the best for the developers/team at FLS. You've been a great bunch of sports, and hopefully, you've set the bar higher for other companies. Do your best to keep up the personal interaction you have with your fans and players. Hopefully, it'll become the standard.
Ah well.....time to prepare the ship for it's final sailing into the horizon.
Ahmen. How about that Sony just saved me from buying POTBS and paying a monthly fee. That's money I can put towards Tabula Rasa!!
WTF!!
WTH!!
AAAAAARRRRGGGHHHH
I Reject your Reality and Substitute it with My Own!
Such a waiste of two years since I quit SWG, I was hoping PotBS would replace pre-cu SWG, but stupid SOE is getting it's hands all over this and I will have nothing to do with it.
I Reject your Reality and Substitute it with My Own!
OMG Are you F'ing serious??? They get there hands on ever dam MMO now. I Will NEVER buy this game now, SOE is evil they take everything away from me, look at SWG and more importantly Vanguard. HAHAH i think i am in a nightmare right now. welp there goes potbs...stay away...
Hah, Brad said that, too.
For the people that are not gonna play the game Because of SoE i feel bad for you. Its not that hard to understand how the relationship is gonna work. SoE is not in charge of game development plane and simple and if you choose to not go with them because of past game experiences you dont have to worry about any of that with FLS, I had a per cu SWG character and lost alot of stuff because of the NGE and Cu but that doesn't meen I should hold another company accountable by not buying there game.
This may be true, but I'm not going to put in months/years of work into a character only to one day it all fall down to a possible SOe involvement. I just will not ever take that chance as long as SOE is involved. I will never ever give SOE 1 cent directly or indirectly, way to much of a gamble and 100% distrust and hate for SOE.
I Reject your Reality and Substitute it with My Own!
Dam... I hope the don't touch anymore games. I was actually looking forward to PoTBS.
Maybe I can play a friends account without giving money to SOE
Sure,that's a fair point. Look, I'm not looking to hold FLS accountable for problems I've had with SoE, and I would hope that others aren't either. I'm not looking to bash SoE by insulting a game they did nothing to develop, and, again, I would hope people give FLS the benefit of the doubt.
But, I do have to, personally, hold SoE accountable for my interactions with them, and the business practices I've witnessed. The ONLY way I can only do that is with my wallet. I've done the same with non-gaming companies(as I listed before)....its simply the principles I, myself, live by.
So, again, all the best to FLS....but not my money. Sorry.
SOE has zero control over POTBS.POTPS is in strong financial shape and has complete design control.