Originally posted by Napocalypse Originally posted by isildur Originally posted by Feldron Did you even read that? They are not self financed.
Um... did you even read it? We are self-financed. We always have been.
SOE did not buy us. We signed a contract with them to do publishing, distribution, and billing. Our salaries are still being paid by the same people who have always paid them. Christ. I have no problem talking about this issue with y'all, but please at least try to get a minimum level of truthiness in your posts? Please? LMFAO , Sigil told the same lies.
Now the difference is we gotta wait what 4 or 5 months like we did for Vanguard for you to fire your devs in a parking lot and sell out to SOE publicly? B/c lets face it thats all this is , is a hidden sellout to SOE. Keep saying you did not sell out , you may keep a few people palying your game. but guess what, after all the years of playing MMOs and SOE track record, didn't you think about this...maybe you shoulda had a more reputable company logo branded on your product?
all this shows is a huge lack of caring or consideration for followers of your game and product. I for one boycott this game and any further made by you sellouts.=SOE
In 4 to 5 months, when this DOESN'T happen. I expect you to be in here saying you were wrong.
How did FLS go from a nice little company to a bunch of liars? Seriously, if you people are just going to flame them, calling them liars, then why should they even bother posting here? Stick to arguments that you can prove, please. Just calling somebody a liar is childish and wrong.
Did you even read that? They are not self financed.
Um... did you even read it? We are self-financed. We always have been.
SOE did not buy us. We signed a contract with them to do publishing, distribution, and billing. Our salaries are still being paid by the same people who have always paid them.
Christ. I have no problem talking about this issue with y'all, but please at least try to get a minimum level of truthiness in your posts? Please?
LMFAO , Sigil told the same lies.
Now the difference is we gotta wait what 4 or 5 months like we did for Vanguard for you to fire your devs in a parking lot and sell out to SOE publicly? B/c lets face it thats all this is , is a hidden sellout to SOE. Keep saying you did not sell out , you may keep a few people palying your game. but guess what, after all the years of playing MMOs and SOE track record, didn't you think about this...maybe you shoulda had a more reputable company logo branded on your product?
all this shows is a huge lack of caring or consideration for followers of your game and product. I for one boycott this game and any further made by you sellouts.=SOE
In 4 to 5 months, when this DOESN'T happen. I expect you to be in here saying you were wrong.
I think this thread has really gone about as far as it can go. We've layed out the facts of the deal in our initial posts, we've explained what we did and why, we've answered your questions as honestly as we can, and yet everything we say that you don't agree with has been branded as lies. I'm sorry if Brad McQuaid left a bad taste in your mouth. But I'm not sure that means you can never believe anyone ever again. I'm not Brad McQuaid. Rusty isn't either. If you choose not to believe us, that's your perogative. But calling us liars without a shred of evidence is hardly productive discourse. Can we get back to talking about the game now?
yea sure lets talk about SOE's game all you want. basically it is the same scenario that happened with vanguard and you will not admit to selling out until months down the road when you all make it public...
why wait napo you ask?
well because if they brandish this form the start as SOE's game, which it is, and not FLS game.. then the number of people purchasing subs for this will go down more than it already has.
why do you think SOE has a bad track record and no one cares for them, and why would you join up with them? b/c or marketing? hell I know plenty of other companies that are good at marketing...
stupidest move you all coudla made and I am glad to see this mmo burn with the rest. another failed mmo. Hope you enjoy your losses because god if I don't just love the taste of your defeat.
I was planning to try Pirates of the Burning Sea - game seemed to be interesting with relatively open economy and gameplay... But I will definately not pay for SOE anymore.
For me it really doesn't matter is SOE controlling game development or not. Only what matters is SOE getting money from this deal or not.
"I know I said this was my last post, but you my friend are a idiotic moron." -Shadow4482
all this shows is a huge lack of caring or consideration for followers of your game and product. I for one boycott this game and any further made by you sellouts.=SOE
Wow. I don't think I've ever wanted to say this to a potential fan/customer on a public message board before, but now I do:
Buh-bye. I'd like to say I'll miss having you try my game, but... after that post, I won't. I'm glad you won't be playing.
all this shows is a huge lack of caring or consideration for followers of your game and product. I for one boycott this game and any further made by you sellouts.=SOE
Wow. I don't think I've ever wanted to say this to a potential fan/customer on a public message board before, but now I do:
Buh-bye. I'd like to say I'll miss having you try my game, but... after that post, I won't. I'm glad you won't be playing.
I'm so very very sick and tired of the SOE haters who have zero idea of the facts to the point where I've now started to welcome games signing with them. I never thought I'd say this either after seeing a designer post something like that but I'm SO glad that you've said that.
I am deeply concerned but I must admit I like what sony did with EQ2. I admit i am a nub in regards to Sony tho. I only really messed around with EQ series and thought it was 'okay' how they handled it
I heard about SWG and what they did was horrid the gamers they burned deserve to probably always distrust Sony.
but PoTBS is cutting edge and only breath of fresh air. I hate this scandal will turn away many now. Was no drama at all with this but now there will be if things dont go right. then i will learn to hate Sony too if they screw this one up. cause im seriously thinking to preorder this one. its best looking title too me. even though PVP seems instanced somewhat
all this shows is a huge lack of caring or consideration for followers of your game and product. I for one boycott this game and any further made by you sellouts.=SOE
Wow. I don't think I've ever wanted to say this to a potential fan/customer on a public message board before, but now I do:
Buh-bye. I'd like to say I'll miss having you try my game, but... after that post, I won't. I'm glad you won't be playing.
The sad thing is that I believe he will be here posting his "I told you so" post and dancing on your game's casket 6 months after it launches... and it won't really be Sony's fault. The market just isn't friendly to mediocre, low-budget titles. It's a bummer, but it's true. One thing's for sure, your CS skills are consistent with what I would expect from your newfound publishing partner. You guys should get along just fine. As for this guy, maybe you should tell him to speak with his feet.... like all those former SWG players did.
Somehow i get the feeling that SOE games are getting benefits from the SWG fiasco.... look at the community of the other games, due to the SOE haters boycotting the other games, the communities are a lot better...
all this shows is a huge lack of caring or consideration for followers of your game and product. I for one boycott this game and any further made by you sellouts.=SOE
Wow. I don't think I've ever wanted to say this to a potential fan/customer on a public message board before, but now I do:
Buh-bye. I'd like to say I'll miss having you try my game, but... after that post, I won't. I'm glad you won't be playing.
Just what I think when I read these posts by some of these guys, way to go.
POTBS username:yohorumrunner Guild:St George Squadron
all this shows is a huge lack of caring or consideration for followers of your game and product. I for one boycott this game and any further made by you sellouts.=SOE
Wow. I don't think I've ever wanted to say this to a potential fan/customer on a public message board before, but now I do:
Buh-bye. I'd like to say I'll miss having you try my game, but... after that post, I won't. I'm glad you won't be playing.
Just what I think when I read these posts by some of these guys, way to go.
Anyone who finds themselves grouped with some of the anti-SOE people posting here should view this as a wake-up call to reexamine whether that's a group they really want to be a part of.
The sheer bile and venom that can be sprayed at anyone connected to SOE in any way is just sad. Pairing that with the disconnect with reality that has been shown here makes it disturbing.
If not for SOE, Vanguard would have either never made it to release, or have already had its servers shut down by now. But somehow its failure is SOE's fault.
VERY FEW publishers will allow independent developers keep their IP. Heck, many have little interest in working with independent developers at all. But of course since it's SOE, PotBS should either be relegated to a tiny niche market of direct-download, or should become the property of another "good" publisher.
And woe betide those who ignore the LEGIONS of SOE-haters, for their game cannot sell!
Grow up.
SOE screwed up Star Wars (Galaxies). Bummer. It happens.
If you don't want to spend money on another SOE-developed game, that's understandable. If you don't want to spend money on games developed by other people and distributed by SOE, well that's actually fairly silly, but whatever. If you want to lash out, freak out, and otherwise out yourself as a lunatic by calling any game touched by SOE a failure and anyone dealing with SOE evil... well, expect to called on it.
Somehow i get the feeling that SOE games are getting benefits from the SWG fiasco.... look at the community of the other games, due to the SOE haters boycotting the other games, the communities are a lot better...
Beside the comparatively miniscule hater percentage here, SOE has little to no stigma. Those that hate SOE are deluding themselves. Thousands and thousands of people world-wide are still paying for, and logging in to SOE games. And possibly thousands more will try the other games on the Station Pass, following their interest in PotBS.
To FLS, I like the fact you guys have balls to come here and lay things out straight for certain ignorant users here. I like that style, and can't wait to give PotBS a try, with my wonderful Station Pass no less. I'm glad you folks penned this deal. It means I don't even have to consider trying your game, as it is essentially a freebie for me. It means you'll be seeing a greater influx of players. If not for Station Pass, I would have had to juggle my subscriptions to consider trying PotBS.
There seem to be two themes against playing PotBS;
1) Some people seem to think that FLS is in financial trouble and that SOE will eventually take it over like they did Vangaurd. I'm pretty sure this is not the case with FLS. From everything that I've read about the game, it seems to be a complete and finished product and in the past two to three years that I've been following this game, there has never been any issue to come up about a possible financial short-fund of cash. I could be wrong, because a lot of companies would never advertise such information, but I just don't see FLS pulling the wool over our eyes like that.
2) Some people will not play PotBS for the very fact that SOE has it's name on it's product. I fall into this catagory, and as unhappy as it makes me not to play this game because of SOE. I know SOE will have very little say about the game itself, but I'm not taking that chance anymore...like others have said, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me...I'm sticking to my guns and wait it out hoping that SOE releases FLS from their contract. I'm sure after a year FLS will no longer need SOE and hopefully they can end their relationship so I can start playing Eh, wishful thinking lol...Anyways, plenty of games to play without SOE's involvement.
I Reject your Reality and Substitute it with My Own!
Been offline for a few days so needless to say this is a shocking development of a game I've been following since 2004, I didn't see it coming by any-means. However, with that said, up until this point the devs have always been committed to realising their dream for the game and to treating their community in an open and respectful manner. As far as I can tell, this has not changed.
I am very relieved that the FLS team has not compromised on their stance of retaining all the IPR of the game and to continuing full autonomy of the game's development. I'm not exactly relishing the fact that SOE is going to receive a cut of my monthly subscription but I am happy for them to do so in the knowledge that they shall have no control over the decisions taken with regard to the continued development, community and the customer support.
The MMORPG forums have a very active minority of the population that hold a grudge against SOE for decisions that need not be mentioned here and it is understandable that those of them that were eagerly awaiting the release of this refreshing title in the genre should be concerned. However, from what has been said of the contractual agreement between FLS and SOE, SOE do not have any control to alter the game-play aspects of this title. The fears that you express from previous experience with SOE are, at this time, unfounded with regard to this game. Moreover, provided that I remain confident that the devs of FLS are successfully retaining that full autonomy then I will be happy to subscribe to a game I have been waiting to play for the past three years.
Lastly I would like to commend the development team of FLS for taking the time out to come to these boards and answer the concerns of the community here. Many of their contemporaries would not have the decency to take the time from their busy schedules to do so in such a large degree and we should respect the generosity that they have shown us.
Anyone who finds themselves grouped with some of the anti-SOE people posting here should view this as a wake-up call to reexamine whether that's a group they really want to be a part of. The sheer bile and venom that can be sprayed at anyone connected to SOE in any way is just sad. Pairing that with the disconnect with reality that has been shown here makes it disturbing. If not for SOE, Vanguard would have either never made it to release, or have already had its servers shut down by now. But somehow its failure is SOE's fault. VERY FEW publishers will allow independent developers keep their IP. Heck, many have little interest in working with independent developers at all. But of course since it's SOE, PotBS should either be relegated to a tiny niche market of direct-download, or should become the property of another "good" publisher. And woe betide those who ignore the LEGIONS of SOE-haters, for their game cannot sell! Grow up. SOE screwed up Star Wars (Galaxies). Bummer. It happens. If you don't want to spend money on another SOE-developed game, that's understandable. If you don't want to spend money on games developed by other people and distributed by SOE, well that's actually fairly silly, but whatever. If you want to lash out, freak out, and otherwise out yourself as a lunatic by calling any game touched by SOE a failure and anyone dealing with SOE evil... well, expect to called on it.
Anyone who finds themselves grouped with some of the anti-SOE people posting here should view this as a wake-up call to reexamine whether that's a group they really want to be a part of. The sheer bile and venom that can be sprayed at anyone connected to SOE in any way is just sad. Pairing that with the disconnect with reality that has been shown here makes it disturbing. If not for SOE, Vanguard would have either never made it to release, or have already had its servers shut down by now. But somehow its failure is SOE's fault. VERY FEW publishers will allow independent developers keep their IP. Heck, many have little interest in working with independent developers at all. But of course since it's SOE, PotBS should either be relegated to a tiny niche market of direct-download, or should become the property of another "good" publisher. And woe betide those who ignore the LEGIONS of SOE-haters, for their game cannot sell! Grow up. SOE screwed up Star Wars (Galaxies). Bummer. It happens. If you don't want to spend money on another SOE-developed game, that's understandable. If you don't want to spend money on games developed by other people and distributed by SOE, well that's actually fairly silly, but whatever. If you want to lash out, freak out, and otherwise out yourself as a lunatic by calling any game touched by SOE a failure and anyone dealing with SOE evil... well, expect to called on it.
You wanna know what's even more vile?
The fact that people who do not like SOE's practices and history are ridiculed, made fun of and called names just because they voice an opinion AGAINST SOE.
This is a free forum where anyone can express their feelings. People have a RIGHT not to like SOE or games/companies that associate with them.
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Originally posted by Vociferor Been offline for a few days so needless to say this is a shocking development of a game I've been following since 2004, I didn't see it coming by any-means. However, with that said, up until this point the devs have always been committed to realising their dream for the game and to treating their community in an open and respectful manner. As far as I can tell, this has not changed. I am very relieved that the FLS team has not compromised on their stance of retaining all the IPR of the game and to continuing full autonomy of the game's development. I'm not exactly relishing the fact that SOE is going to receive a cut of my monthly subscription but I am happy for them to do so in the knowledge that they shall have no control over the decisions taken with regard to the continued development, community and the customer support. The MMORPG forums have a very active minority of the population that hold a grudge against SOE for decisions that need not be mentioned here and it is understandable that those of them that were eagerly awaiting the release of this refreshing title in the genre should be concerned. However, from what has been said of the contractual agreement between FLS and SOE, SOE do not have any control to alter the game-play aspects of this title. The fears that you express from previous experience with SOE are, at this time, unfounded with regard to this game. Moreover, provided that I remain confident that the devs of FLS are successfully retaining that full autonomy then I will be happy to subscribe to a game I have been waiting to play for the past three years. Lastly I would like to commend the development team of FLS for taking the time out to come to these boards and answer the concerns of the community here. Many of their contemporaries would not have the decency to take the time from their busy schedules to do so in such a large degree and we should respect the generosity that they have shown us. My thanks, Vociferor
Your post should be stickied and highlighted somewhere.
FLS got the deal they WANTED. They clearly stated a month or so ago that they were looking for a contract where they retained full control of the game and that is exactly what they got. People should be cheering on the streets that FLS pulled it off. Instead youve got the SOE "antiboys" flaming the game for no good reason other than its association with a company they dont like. No way in hell such people could ever be considered fans of the game, so their flaming is meaningless. Its like every time theres a big protest somewhere on the streets, youve got a bunch of people who just care about setting cars on fire rather than protesting whatever the issue is about.
You wanna know what's even more vile? The fact that people who do not like SOE's practices and history are ridiculed, made fun of and called names just because they voice an opinion AGAINST SOE. This is a free forum where anyone can express their feelings. People have a RIGHT not to like SOE or games/companies that associate with them.
They are ridiculed because they are here, blindly flaming a game that has done them no harm, just because its associated with SOE. Guilty by association?
As Rusty said:
1) We keep complete ownership of Pirates of the Burning Sea. 2) We have no interference from SOE on the development/ideas of the game. 3) Because we financed Pirates ourselves, we keep most of the revenues so we stay strong and independent. 4) The contract they gave us actually says what we agreed to verbally.
The fact that people who do not like SOE's practices and history are ridiculed, made fun of and called names just because they voice an opinion AGAINST SOE.
This is a free forum where anyone can express their feelings. People have a RIGHT not to like SOE or games/companies that associate with them.
They are ridiculed because they are here, blindly flaming a game that has done them no harm, just because its associated with SOE. Guilty by association?
you know what annekynn you have said this nice then i was about too. I'm pretty much fed up with the anti-SOE people...even tho i have flamed lately which i honestly don't like to do, i do realize that SOE pissed alot of you off but this is old already you want respect but you don't respect anyone else, the FLS guys have been here talking to everyone letting people know what's up but you don't respect that, instead you call them liar's........you claim how SOE is evil and lied to you, yet you do the same thing, spreading lie's about game's just because you don't like SOE.........as far as i'm concerned you all are exactly like soe in your lieing about game's just to keep people from playing something with SOE on the box, your haters have become the new SOE.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
Isildur it was a mistake to link up with SOE vs some other option, no matter how sweet the deal was.
I think you will find the anti SOE crowd are a significant number and growing for good reason. SOE has screwed a lot of players not just in SWG. They repeatedly show a lack of respect for their playerbase in numerous games. Because of what happened with Vanguard, the promises of no direct control by SOE which proved to be false, it's perfectly reasonable for the anti SOE crowd to avoid games lIke PotBS and Gods and Heroes which may or may not be influenced by SOE.
I was definitely interested in trying PotBS even though I was unhappy with a couple of design aspects but I am being completely honest when I tell you, I won't even try it now and the fanbois and SOElovers can choose to disbelieve me or tell me good riddens, but it is fact, and I am not the only one. It saddens me too because I was looking forward to at least giving PotBS a fair shake, but not now.
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SOE did not buy us. We signed a contract with them to do publishing, distribution, and billing. Our salaries are still being paid by the same people who have always paid them.
Christ. I have no problem talking about this issue with y'all, but please at least try to get a minimum level of truthiness in your posts? Please?
LMFAO , Sigil told the same lies.
Now the difference is we gotta wait what 4 or 5 months like we did for Vanguard for you to fire your devs in a parking lot and sell out to SOE publicly? B/c lets face it thats all this is , is a hidden sellout to SOE. Keep saying you did not sell out , you may keep a few people palying your game. but guess what, after all the years of playing MMOs and SOE track record, didn't you think about this...maybe you shoulda had a more reputable company logo branded on your product?
all this shows is a huge lack of caring or consideration for followers of your game and product. I for one boycott this game and any further made by you sellouts.
In 4 to 5 months, when this DOESN'T happen. I expect you to be in here saying you were wrong.
How did FLS go from a nice little company to a bunch of liars? Seriously, if you people are just going to flame them, calling them liars, then why should they even bother posting here? Stick to arguments that you can prove, please. Just calling somebody a liar is childish and wrong.
SOE did not buy us. We signed a contract with them to do publishing, distribution, and billing. Our salaries are still being paid by the same people who have always paid them.
Christ. I have no problem talking about this issue with y'all, but please at least try to get a minimum level of truthiness in your posts? Please?
LMFAO , Sigil told the same lies.
Now the difference is we gotta wait what 4 or 5 months like we did for Vanguard for you to fire your devs in a parking lot and sell out to SOE publicly? B/c lets face it thats all this is , is a hidden sellout to SOE. Keep saying you did not sell out , you may keep a few people palying your game. but guess what, after all the years of playing MMOs and SOE track record, didn't you think about this...maybe you shoulda had a more reputable company logo branded on your product?
all this shows is a huge lack of caring or consideration for followers of your game and product. I for one boycott this game and any further made by you sellouts.
In 4 to 5 months, when this DOESN'T happen. I expect you to be in here saying you were wrong.
I think this thread has really gone about as far as it can go. We've layed out the facts of the deal in our initial posts, we've explained what we did and why, we've answered your questions as honestly as we can, and yet everything we say that you don't agree with has been branded as lies. I'm sorry if Brad McQuaid left a bad taste in your mouth. But I'm not sure that means you can never believe anyone ever again. I'm not Brad McQuaid. Rusty isn't either. If you choose not to believe us, that's your perogative. But calling us liars without a shred of evidence is hardly productive discourse. Can we get back to talking about the game now?
Rick Saada - FLS Dev & EPFBM
Rick Saada - FLS Dev & EPFBM
yea sure lets talk about SOE's game all you want. basically it is the same scenario that happened with vanguard and you will not admit to selling out until months down the road when you all make it public...
why wait napo you ask?
well because if they brandish this form the start as SOE's game, which it is, and not FLS game.. then the number of people purchasing subs for this will go down more than it already has.
why do you think SOE has a bad track record and no one cares for them, and why would you join up with them? b/c or marketing? hell I know plenty of other companies that are good at marketing...
stupidest move you all coudla made and I am glad to see this mmo burn with the rest. another failed mmo. Hope you enjoy your losses because god if I don't just love the taste of your defeat.
I was planning to try Pirates of the Burning Sea - game seemed to be interesting with relatively open economy and gameplay... But I will definately not pay for SOE anymore.
For me it really doesn't matter is SOE controlling game development or not. Only what matters is SOE getting money from this deal or not.
"I know I said this was my last post, but you my friend are a idiotic moron." -Shadow4482
Buh-bye. I'd like to say I'll miss having you try my game, but... after that post, I won't. I'm glad you won't be playing.
Buh-bye. I'd like to say I'll miss having you try my game, but... after that post, I won't. I'm glad you won't be playing.
I'm so very very sick and tired of the SOE haters who have zero idea of the facts to the point where I've now started to welcome games signing with them. I never thought I'd say this either after seeing a designer post something like that but I'm SO glad that you've said that.
sad, all i can say.
'The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make some other sorry bastard die for his'
I am deeply concerned but I must admit I like what sony did with EQ2. I admit i am a nub in regards to Sony tho. I only really messed around with EQ series and thought it was 'okay' how they handled it
I heard about SWG and what they did was horrid the gamers they burned deserve to probably always distrust Sony.
but PoTBS is cutting edge and only breath of fresh air. I hate this scandal will turn away many now. Was no drama at all with this but now there will be if things dont go right. then i will learn to hate Sony too if they screw this one up. cause im seriously thinking to preorder this one. its best looking title too me. even though PVP seems instanced somewhat
Wow. I don't think I've ever wanted to say this to a potential fan/customer on a public message board before, but now I do:Buh-bye. I'd like to say I'll miss having you try my game, but... after that post, I won't. I'm glad you won't be playing.
The sad thing is that I believe he will be here posting his "I told you so" post and dancing on your game's casket 6 months after it launches... and it won't really be Sony's fault. The market just isn't friendly to mediocre, low-budget titles. It's a bummer, but it's true. One thing's for sure, your CS skills are consistent with what I would expect from your newfound publishing partner. You guys should get along just fine. As for this guy, maybe you should tell him to speak with his feet.... like all those former SWG players did.
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Somehow i get the feeling that SOE games are getting benefits from the SWG fiasco.... look at the community of the other games, due to the SOE haters boycotting the other games, the communities are a lot better...
Gamers can live without SOE supported games, can SOE supported games live without gamers ?
Probably but I think PotBS would profit more without the stigma of SOE.
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Buh-bye. I'd like to say I'll miss having you try my game, but... after that post, I won't. I'm glad you won't be playing.
Just what I think when I read these posts by some of these guys, way to go.
POTBS username:yohorumrunner
Guild:St George Squadron
Buh-bye. I'd like to say I'll miss having you try my game, but... after that post, I won't. I'm glad you won't be playing.
Just what I think when I read these posts by some of these guys, way to go.
I second that!
Anyone who finds themselves grouped with some of the anti-SOE people posting here should view this as a wake-up call to reexamine whether that's a group they really want to be a part of.
The sheer bile and venom that can be sprayed at anyone connected to SOE in any way is just sad. Pairing that with the disconnect with reality that has been shown here makes it disturbing.
If not for SOE, Vanguard would have either never made it to release, or have already had its servers shut down by now. But somehow its failure is SOE's fault.
VERY FEW publishers will allow independent developers keep their IP. Heck, many have little interest in working with independent developers at all. But of course since it's SOE, PotBS should either be relegated to a tiny niche market of direct-download, or should become the property of another "good" publisher.
And woe betide those who ignore the LEGIONS of SOE-haters, for their game cannot sell!
Grow up.
SOE screwed up Star Wars (Galaxies). Bummer. It happens.
If you don't want to spend money on another SOE-developed game, that's understandable. If you don't want to spend money on games developed by other people and distributed by SOE, well that's actually fairly silly, but whatever. If you want to lash out, freak out, and otherwise out yourself as a lunatic by calling any game touched by SOE a failure and anyone dealing with SOE evil... well, expect to called on it.
To FLS, I like the fact you guys have balls to come here and lay things out straight for certain ignorant users here. I like that style, and can't wait to give PotBS a try, with my wonderful Station Pass no less. I'm glad you folks penned this deal. It means I don't even have to consider trying your game, as it is essentially a freebie for me. It means you'll be seeing a greater influx of players. If not for Station Pass, I would have had to juggle my subscriptions to consider trying PotBS.
Nice job.
There seem to be two themes against playing PotBS;
1) Some people seem to think that FLS is in financial trouble and that SOE will eventually take it over like they did Vangaurd. I'm pretty sure this is not the case with FLS. From everything that I've read about the game, it seems to be a complete and finished product and in the past two to three years that I've been following this game, there has never been any issue to come up about a possible financial short-fund of cash. I could be wrong, because a lot of companies would never advertise such information, but I just don't see FLS pulling the wool over our eyes like that.
2) Some people will not play PotBS for the very fact that SOE has it's name on it's product. I fall into this catagory, and as unhappy as it makes me not to play this game because of SOE. I know SOE will have very little say about the game itself, but I'm not taking that chance anymore...like others have said, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me...I'm sticking to my guns and wait it out hoping that SOE releases FLS from their contract. I'm sure after a year FLS will no longer need SOE and hopefully they can end their relationship so I can start playing
Eh, wishful thinking lol...Anyways, plenty of games to play without SOE's involvement.
I Reject your Reality and Substitute it with My Own!
Been offline for a few days so needless to say this is a shocking development of a game I've been following since 2004, I didn't see it coming by any-means. However, with that said, up until this point the devs have always been committed to realising their dream for the game and to treating their community in an open and respectful manner. As far as I can tell, this has not changed.
I am very relieved that the FLS team has not compromised on their stance of retaining all the IPR of the game and to continuing full autonomy of the game's development. I'm not exactly relishing the fact that SOE is going to receive a cut of my monthly subscription but I am happy for them to do so in the knowledge that they shall have no control over the decisions taken with regard to the continued development, community and the customer support.
The MMORPG forums have a very active minority of the population that hold a grudge against SOE for decisions that need not be mentioned here and it is understandable that those of them that were eagerly awaiting the release of this refreshing title in the genre should be concerned. However, from what has been said of the contractual agreement between FLS and SOE, SOE do not have any control to alter the game-play aspects of this title. The fears that you express from previous experience with SOE are, at this time, unfounded with regard to this game. Moreover, provided that I remain confident that the devs of FLS are successfully retaining that full autonomy then I will be happy to subscribe to a game I have been waiting to play for the past three years.
Lastly I would like to commend the development team of FLS for taking the time out to come to these boards and answer the concerns of the community here. Many of their contemporaries would not have the decency to take the time from their busy schedules to do so in such a large degree and we should respect the generosity that they have shown us.
My thanks,
Vociferor
Tell 'em how it is bra
The fact that people who do not like SOE's practices and history are ridiculed, made fun of and called names just because they voice an opinion AGAINST SOE.
This is a free forum where anyone can express their feelings. People have a RIGHT not to like SOE or games/companies that associate with them.
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JonMichael
Currently: AION, an MMO Beta under NDA
Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO
Beta'd: There, Second Life, EQ2, DAOC:LotM, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, Gods and Heroes, Hellgate: London, Requiem:Bloodymare, AoC, WAR, DDO, Fallen Earth
Your post should be stickied and highlighted somewhere.
FLS got the deal they WANTED. They clearly stated a month or so ago that they were looking for a contract where they retained full control of the game and that is exactly what they got. People should be cheering on the streets that FLS pulled it off. Instead youve got the SOE "antiboys" flaming the game for no good reason other than its association with a company they dont like. No way in hell such people could ever be considered fans of the game, so their flaming is meaningless. Its like every time theres a big protest somewhere on the streets, youve got a bunch of people who just care about setting cars on fire rather than protesting whatever the issue is about.
They are ridiculed because they are here, blindly flaming a game that has done them no harm, just because its associated with SOE. Guilty by association?
As Rusty said:
1) We keep complete ownership of Pirates of the Burning Sea.
2) We have no interference from SOE on the development/ideas of the game.
3) Because we financed Pirates ourselves, we keep most of the revenues so we stay strong and independent.
4) The contract they gave us actually says what we agreed to verbally.
They are ridiculed because they are here, blindly flaming a game that has done them no harm, just because its associated with SOE. Guilty by association?
you know what annekynn you have said this nice then i was about too. I'm pretty much fed up with the anti-SOE people...even tho i have flamed lately which i honestly don't like to do, i do realize that SOE pissed alot of you off but this is old already you want respect but you don't respect anyone else, the FLS guys have been here talking to everyone letting people know what's up but you don't respect that, instead you call them liar's........you claim how SOE is evil and lied to you, yet you do the same thing, spreading lie's about game's just because you don't like SOE.........as far as i'm concerned you all are exactly like soe in your lieing about game's just to keep people from playing something with SOE on the box, your haters have become the new SOE.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
Isildur it was a mistake to link up with SOE vs some other option, no matter how sweet the deal was.
I think you will find the anti SOE crowd are a significant number and growing for good reason. SOE has screwed a lot of players not just in SWG. They repeatedly show a lack of respect for their playerbase in numerous games. Because of what happened with Vanguard, the promises of no direct control by SOE which proved to be false, it's perfectly reasonable for the anti SOE crowd to avoid games lIke PotBS and Gods and Heroes which may or may not be influenced by SOE.
I was definitely interested in trying PotBS even though I was unhappy with a couple of design aspects but I am being completely honest when I tell you, I won't even try it now and the fanbois and SOElovers can choose to disbelieve me or tell me good riddens, but it is fact, and I am not the only one. It saddens me too because I was looking forward to at least giving PotBS a fair shake, but not now.