Anyone who finds themselves grouped with some of the anti-SOE people posting here should view this as a wake-up call to reexamine whether that's a group they really want to be a part of. The sheer bile and venom that can be sprayed at anyone connected to SOE in any way is just sad. Pairing that with the disconnect with reality that has been shown here makes it disturbing. If not for SOE, Vanguard would have either never made it to release, or have already had its servers shut down by now. But somehow its failure is SOE's fault. VERY FEW publishers will allow independent developers keep their IP. Heck, many have little interest in working with independent developers at all. But of course since it's SOE, PotBS should either be relegated to a tiny niche market of direct-download, or should become the property of another "good" publisher. And woe betide those who ignore the LEGIONS of SOE-haters, for their game cannot sell! Grow up. SOE screwed up Star Wars (Galaxies). Bummer. It happens. If you don't want to spend money on another SOE-developed game, that's understandable. If you don't want to spend money on games developed by other people and distributed by SOE, well that's actually fairly silly, but whatever. If you want to lash out, freak out, and otherwise out yourself as a lunatic by calling any game touched by SOE a failure and anyone dealing with SOE evil... well, expect to called on it.
You wanna know what's even more vile?
The fact that people who do not like SOE's practices and history are ridiculed, made fun of and called names just because they voice an opinion AGAINST SOE.
This is a free forum where anyone can express their feelings. People have a RIGHT not to like SOE or games/companies that associate with them.
See, this is where you're confused. SOE haters' aren't being ridiculed for voicing their stance that they won't buy the game because SOE's logo is on the box. SOME of them are being ridiculed because they are spreading rampant rumors that run contrary to the both the announcements and what the developers have stated as well as antagonize said developers (see Napocalypse's trolling, post 360), all for the sake of their unresolved issues.
Please note, I said some; a few have actually simply stated their opinion that they won't buy/play anything associated with SOE and then left but there are a number of others that keep coming back, spewing absolutely false information to staifsy their trollish needs.
within 2 years this game will be bought out by SOE. Some people will never learn, reguardless of what you think about the POTBS devs, SOE has proven that they don''t publish games they don't think they can own somewhere down the line.
within 2 years this game will be bought out by SOE. Some people will never learn, reguardless of what you think about the POTBS devs, SOE has proven that they don''t publish games they don't think they can own somewhere down the line.
Okay, and what if SOE does by it 2 years down the road? It would be because FLS still botched it.
Or, let's play devil's advocate, FLS didn't sign the contract with SOE but 2 years down the road FLS sells to SOE out of the blue. What's the relevance? NONE. FLS is still in control, SOE makes the game more accessible for sales. The deal only helps both parties.
within 2 years this game will be bought out by SOE. Some people will never learn, reguardless of what you think about the POTBS devs, SOE has proven that they don''t publish games they don't think they can own somewhere down the line.
Okay, and what if SOE does by it 2 years down the road? It would be because FLS still botched it.
Or, let's play devil's advocate, FLS didn't sign the contract with SOE but 2 years down the road FLS sells to SOE out of the blue. What's the relevance? NONE. FLS is still in control, SOE makes the game more accessible for sales. The deal only helps both parties.
Same consistant rhetoric I have heard about dealing with SOE , but SOE seems to always able to grab games and do a good job of alienating the current players, while not adding anything that draws new players (at least any considerable amount). I guess i'm just crazy from learning from the past instead of ignoring it.
Anyone who finds themselves grouped with some of the anti-SOE people posting here should view this as a wake-up call to reexamine whether that's a group they really want to be a part of. The sheer bile and venom that can be sprayed at anyone connected to SOE in any way is just sad. Pairing that with the disconnect with reality that has been shown here makes it disturbing. If not for SOE, Vanguard would have either never made it to release, or have already had its servers shut down by now. But somehow its failure is SOE's fault. VERY FEW publishers will allow independent developers keep their IP. Heck, many have little interest in working with independent developers at all. But of course since it's SOE, PotBS should either be relegated to a tiny niche market of direct-download, or should become the property of another "good" publisher. And woe betide those who ignore the LEGIONS of SOE-haters, for their game cannot sell! Grow up. SOE screwed up Star Wars (Galaxies). Bummer. It happens. If you don't want to spend money on another SOE-developed game, that's understandable. If you don't want to spend money on games developed by other people and distributed by SOE, well that's actually fairly silly, but whatever. If you want to lash out, freak out, and otherwise out yourself as a lunatic by calling any game touched by SOE a failure and anyone dealing with SOE evil... well, expect to called on it.
You wanna know what's even more vile?
The fact that people who do not like SOE's practices and history are ridiculed, made fun of and called names just because they voice an opinion AGAINST SOE.
This is a free forum where anyone can express their feelings. People have a RIGHT not to like SOE or games/companies that associate with them.
See, this is where you're confused. SOE haters' aren't being ridiculed for voicing their stance that they won't buy the game because SOE's logo is on the box. SOME of them are being ridiculed because they are spreading rampant rumors that run contrary to the both the announcements and what the developers have stated as well as antagonize said developers (see Napocalypse's trolling, post 360), all for the sake of their unresolved issues.
Please note, I said some; a few have actually simply stated their opinion that they won't buy/play anything associated with SOE and then left but there are a number of others that keep coming back, spewing absolutely false information to staifsy their trollish needs.
I totally understand that.
It's the post we're both referring to that I have a problem with. It groups ALL SOE haters together.
There are some SOE haters (like myself), who do what you say... state they have a problem with SOE and will not play anything associated with them.
There are other SOE haters that will bash a game or company that has anything remotely to do with SOE.
Grouping all of them together is unfair. There are many SOE haters that have valid complaints and reasons for not wanting to do business with them.
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Isildur it was a mistake to link up with SOE vs some other option, no matter how sweet the deal was.
I think alot of folks are not really absorbing what is being said here.
It wasn't a sweet deal...It wasn't something SOE 'offered'.
It was a set of guidelines and principals, and SOE was the ONLY distributor to agree to FLS demands! FLS got the deal that THEY wanted. Everyone else wanted various items and points of control. Everyone else paid lip service face to face and returned with a contract that wasn't what was discussed. SOE didn't.
I don't like what SOE did with SWG, but it was inevitable with Lucas calling the shots. I don't like the fact that devs were feeding BS to the playerbase. FLS devs are not paying lip service, and there is zero evidance to support that.
Seriously, if you haters were as vicious with real world problems as you are about your games, then maybe we wouldn't have politicians robbing us blind. Maybe we could feed the poor. But instead yall are just wrapped up in your self indulgance. I don't care what your momma told you growing up. You are not entitled to damn thing, the world changes with or without you. These companies don't owe you a damn thing. Things will happen with or without your knowledge or consent.
Furthermore, I'll call out 80% of the haters. I garuntee yall were the biggest whiners and complainers on the SWG boards well before the CU and NGE. If you weren't happy before, you just won't be happy. And that is your problem, not SOEs or FLS.
Originally posted by Envoy13 These companies don't owe you a damn thing. Things will happen with or without your knowledge or consent
Actually you are wrong. They owe us what they offer us in exchange for our money, and the other side of that is I cerrtainly don't owe these companies anything. I songled this out but your whole post is just illogical rambleings of assuptions of what people, who have learned about how incompatent SOE is, must be like.
i dont think i even want to try this any more now what's with the game companys these days there all signing up with soe
Have you read whats on the Flying Labs site? Seriously, why cry over the fact that FL got excactly what they were looking for in a publisher ......
Look at Vanguard's first announcement below. It looks the same. The future of PoTBS will be the same as Vanguard. It is sad that PC gaming is having so many failures. We will all be playing on the XBox and PS3 only soon.
VANGUARD: SAGA OF HEROES FINDS A NEW HOME
Sigil Games Online and Sony Online Entertainment In Talks To Co-Publish Sigil’s Ground-Breaking New Game
May 5, 2006 – Carlsbad & San Diego, CA – Sigil Games Online and Sony Online Entertainment LLC (SOE), a global leader in the online games industry, today announced that Sigil is working with Microsoft Game Studios on an arrangement to acquire the rights to its highly anticipated massively multiplayer online (MMO) game, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes. These efforts have resulted in a tentative agreement for Vanguard to be co-published by both Sigil Games Online and SOE. All three companies will be showing the game at the upcoming Electronic Entertainment Expo (E3) as they work closely together for a successful transition. Vanguard: Saga of Heroes is scheduled to launch this winter.
“As the development process is ongoing and constantly shifting, it became clear that MGS and Sigil had varying visions and direction for the title’s development,” said Brad McQuaid, CEO of Sigil Games Online. “In the best interest of Vanguard, it was decided that we would buy back the publishing rights from Microsoft.”
As co-publisher of Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Sigil assumes greater control of marketing and PR, while maintaining responsibility for game development, community relations, media relations, customer support, and quality assurance. Under the terms of the agreement, SOE will provide distribution, marketing, hosting and back-end support -- including billing and technical support -- for the game. Additionally, SOE is tentatively planning on adding Vanguard, upon its release, to SOE’s Station Access™ subscription plan. Station Access allows players to enjoy all of SOE’s MMO titles for one low monthly price.
“We are very excited to be working with so many old friends at Sigil,” said John Smedley, president, Sony Online Entertainment. “Vanguard looks beautiful and has an incredibly rich game world. It’s the type of game that will appeal directly to SOE’s hundreds of thousands of players and should fit in perfectly with the current line-up of games available in Station Access.”
”This decision was made mutually by Sigil and Microsoft, in the best interest of the long-term goals for the title,” said Phil Spencer, General Manager at Microsoft Game Studios. “As a key Windows development partner, we will continue to work with Sigil to ensure Vanguard’s ongoing success.”
Vanguard: Saga of Heroes is the next generation of massively multiplayer online games. The journey takes place in the fantasy setting of Telon, a vast and ancient world of magic, intrigue and adventure. Facing the challenges of a war torn world, the diverse people here struggle to rebuild their once great civilizations. A fragile alliance has been struck, with the lands set upon by invading forces, the races must band together to survive.
Vanguard: Saga of Heroes is currently in a closed beta phase. The game will remain available via Fileplanet for existing beta testers during the transition to SOE. New information will be sent out to testers as the changeover occurs.
For more information about Vanguard: Saga of Heroes please visit www.vanguardsoh.com.
Isildur it was a mistake to link up with SOE vs some other option, no matter how sweet the deal was. I think you will find the anti SOE crowd are a significant number and growing for good reason. SOE has screwed a lot of players not just in SWG. They repeatedly show a lack of respect for their playerbase in numerous games. Because of what happened with Vanguard, the promises of no direct control by SOE which proved to be false,
No offence here but that's rubbish. Without SOE there would be NO Vanguard anymore. The also give me massive respect to me as a player with EQ2, they CLEARLY listen to the player base. SOE learnt from SWG, get over it.
I was never much of a SOE fan, they screwed up with SWG and yet I got so sick of all this SOE hate I decided to try EQ2 and it's wonderful. I'm now so sick of all this (BADLY informed to the point of lying to prove points) SOE hate that I will now go out of my way to support both Pirates AND Gods just because I will be able to add them to my SOE account. I had very little interest in both of these titles until this thread.
i dont think i even want to try this any more now what's with the game companys these days there all signing up with soe
Have you read whats on the Flying Labs site? Seriously, why cry over the fact that FL got excactly what they were looking for in a publisher ......
Look at Vanguard's first announcement below. It looks the same. The future of PoTBS will be the same as Vanguard. It is sad that PC gaming is having so many failures. We will all be playing on the XBox and PS3 only soon.
Vanguard was in trouble from the start, I even said so myself and said I expected SOE to take over the running of the game. And thank GODS that they have, without SOE there wouldn't be a game at all. And if PC gaming dies you'll have one company to blame, Microsoft. They are sucking the life out of PC gaming.
Correct me if I'm wrong Tnice, but wasn't Sigil's "buyback" of the publishing rights funded by SOE? Hence, a loan from SOE to Sigil to buyback the publishing rights.
I have no idea and don't really care. I've said it already but since this thread is all about repeating the same shit over and over I'll say it again, I'm going to try PotBS regardless and form my own opinion of a GAME that I am interested in.
i dont think i even want to try this any more now what's with the game companys these days there all signing up with soe
Have you read whats on the Flying Labs site? Seriously, why cry over the fact that FL got excactly what they were looking for in a publisher ......
Look at Vanguard's first announcement below. It looks the same. The future of PoTBS will be the same as Vanguard. It is sad that PC gaming is having so many failures. We will all be playing on the XBox and PS3 only soon.
Vanguard was in trouble from the start, I even said so myself and said I expected SOE to take over the running of the game. And thank GODS that they have, without SOE there wouldn't be a game at all. And if PC gaming dies you'll have one company to blame, Microsoft. They are sucking the life out of PC gaming.
That is the point. I have no problems with SOE but this proves that PoTBS is in the same kind of trouble as Vanguard. It's problems just have not been talked about as much because it was not a big name game but it is clear from this move that the game is in trouble.
Correct me if I'm wrong Tnice, but wasn't Sigil's "buyback" of the publishing rights funded by SOE? Hence, a loan from SOE to Sigil to buyback the publishing rights. I have no idea and don't really care. I've said it already but since this thread is all about repeating the same shit over and over I'll say it again, I'm going to try PotBS regardless and form my own opinion of a GAME that I am interested in.
Yes.
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"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
i dont think i even want to try this any more now what's with the game companys these days there all signing up with soe
Have you read whats on the Flying Labs site? Seriously, why cry over the fact that FL got excactly what they were looking for in a publisher ......
Look at Vanguard's first announcement below. It looks the same. The future of PoTBS will be the same as Vanguard. It is sad that PC gaming is having so many failures. We will all be playing on the XBox and PS3 only soon.
Vanguard was in trouble from the start, I even said so myself and said I expected SOE to take over the running of the game. And thank GODS that they have, without SOE there wouldn't be a game at all. And if PC gaming dies you'll have one company to blame, Microsoft. They are sucking the life out of PC gaming.
That is the point. I have no problems with SOE but this proves that PoTBS is in the same kind of trouble as Vanguard. It's problems just have not been talked about as much because it was not a big name game but it is clear from this move that the game is in trouble.
let's see they already stated they don't have money problem and answered alot of other concerns people had, yet some how they are lieing and you seem to think you have proof of them being in trouble, dude your way to paranoid, but i understand SOE has made you this way i guess.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
within 2 years this game will be bought out by SOE. Some people will never learn, reguardless of what you think about the POTBS devs, SOE has proven that they don''t publish games they don't think they can own somewhere down the line.
Okay, and what if SOE does by it 2 years down the road? It would be because FLS still botched it.
Or, let's play devil's advocate, FLS didn't sign the contract with SOE but 2 years down the road FLS sells to SOE out of the blue. What's the relevance? NONE. FLS is still in control, SOE makes the game more accessible for sales. The deal only helps both parties.
Same consistant rhetoric I have heard about dealing with SOE , but SOE seems to always able to grab games and do a good job of alienating the current players, while not adding anything that draws new players (at least any considerable amount). I guess i'm just crazy from learning from the past instead of ignoring it.
oh please, get off your high horse. Since MXO and VG were already in the hole when SOE acquired them, what other games has SOE "grabbed" and then alienated the current players?
I'm an environmental artist at Flying Lab Software, and I'll assure all of you that absolutely nothing concerning the development of this game has changed since we signed the deal with Sony, nor will it change. If they hadn't told us we'd signed a deal with Sony, nobody in the development team would have even noticed. If we can't notice anything different about the game development since we signed a deal with Sony, it's pretty likely that neither will any of you.
Dont really care who u work for, u guys lost ur creditbility long time ago when that guy Brad MaQuaid set a perfect example of been a scumbag lying sob.
I'm an environmental artist at Flying Lab Software, and I'll assure all of you that absolutely nothing concerning the development of this game has changed since we signed the deal with Sony, nor will it change. If they hadn't told us we'd signed a deal with Sony, nobody in the development team would have even noticed. If we can't notice anything different about the game development since we signed a deal with Sony, it's pretty likely that neither will any of you.
Thanks wood. Problem is most of these folks are already convinced that SOE is satan incarnate and nothing that can be said will change their mind.
I can see the responses now, "OMG SOE TOLD HIM TO COME WRITE THAT!!!!!" "OMG THATS AN SOE PLANT THAT IS LYING, THEY SACRIFICED EVERY SINGLE FL DEV WHEN THEY TOOK OVER!!!!" etc etc
Dont really care who u work for, u guys lost ur creditbility long time ago when that guy Brad MaQuaid set a perfect example of been a scumbag lying sob.
We lost our credibility for something someone, who none has us have met, at a completely different game company, did to a completely different game?
Dont really care who u work for, u guys lost ur creditbility long time ago when that guy Brad MaQuaid set a perfect example of been a scumbag lying sob.
We lost our credibility for something someone, who none has us have met, at a completely different game company, did to a completely different game?
And right there sums up the twisted logic of a blind SOE hater. It make no sense and they steadfastly refuse to listen to any reason. Just roll with it and nod.
I’ll accept on behalf of the so-called “haters”. But to make this formal, I first take offense and insult for customers who are unhappy with SOE to be labeled as “haters.” And thus I demand satisfaction.
/slap
Now unto your statements.
Defend yourself if you can.
/duel
“Seriously, if you haters were as vicious with real world problems as you are about your games, then maybe we wouldn't have politicians robbing us blind.”
Some people take the time to call up their officials, for example with this latest immigration bill in the US Senate. I have some phone numbers of the offices of US Senators if you care to voice your opinion. Off-topic.
“Maybe we could feed the poor.”
A swing and a miss, off-topic.
“But instead yall are just wrapped up in your self indulgance.”
The same can be said of you, take a look in the mirror.
“I don't care what your momma told you growing up.”
So why should people care with what you have to type out? Don’t care about others, then others will not care about you.
“You are not entitled to damn thing, the world changes with or without you.”
Typed out like a true conservative. Very true. But world events and its problems has no relation to the topic at hand. Please redefine your scope or rephrase the statement. Side note, history has proven that the world can be changed by just one person. An individual does have power and we must never forget that.
“These companies don't owe you a damn thing.”
Still preaching this? If “these companies” (ie: SOE) wants return business from dissatisfied customers, then SOE needs to provide some sort of incentive programs. To just say, ‘we made a mistake’ with no follow-up actions, does not bring customers back. And thus why there is this perceived “hatred” still going on.
“I garuntee yall were the biggest whiners and complainers on the SWG boards well before the CU and NGE.”
So with that and by typing this, “I don't like the fact that devs were feeding BS to the playerbase.”
Then it is ok by you to be silent while getting shafted. That is just like saying, “Be quiet fellow gamers, for we are just sheep. It is our lot in life to just get fracked and keep on going.”
The reason for those complaints was not due in part of the users, but by the management. Cause and effect.
“If you weren't happy before, you just won't be happy.”
Nice rational train of logic there. Let me get this right, 80% of the SWG complainers are just unhappy people to begin with. And thus the actions of SOE only made those people even unhappier. That sure makes a lot of sense.
“And that is your problem, not SOEs or FLS.”
Then explain to me why SOE’s customer base has decreased? Apparently there are a lot of people who have this “problem.” But this “problem” has impacted SOE quite a bit. Please by all means, prove me wrong by reviewing the stock-holder reports and press releases.
Again, this “hatred” can be effectively mitigated if SOE was to take pro-active actions. It is not difficult and companies have successfully conducted marketing campaigns at restoring their reputation.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
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The fact that people who do not like SOE's practices and history are ridiculed, made fun of and called names just because they voice an opinion AGAINST SOE.
This is a free forum where anyone can express their feelings. People have a RIGHT not to like SOE or games/companies that associate with them.
See, this is where you're confused. SOE haters' aren't being ridiculed for voicing their stance that they won't buy the game because SOE's logo is on the box. SOME of them are being ridiculed because they are spreading rampant rumors that run contrary to the both the announcements and what the developers have stated as well as antagonize said developers (see Napocalypse's trolling, post 360), all for the sake of their unresolved issues.Please note, I said some; a few have actually simply stated their opinion that they won't buy/play anything associated with SOE and then left but there are a number of others that keep coming back, spewing absolutely false information to staifsy their trollish needs.
Honestly, I didn't plan on playing PoTBS unless AoC and WAR suck. I am, however, in shock that game developers are willing to sign with SOE.
within 2 years this game will be bought out by SOE. Some people will never learn, reguardless of what you think about the POTBS devs, SOE has proven that they don''t publish games they don't think they can own somewhere down the line.
Okay, and what if SOE does by it 2 years down the road? It would be because FLS still botched it.
Or, let's play devil's advocate, FLS didn't sign the contract with SOE but 2 years down the road FLS sells to SOE out of the blue. What's the relevance? NONE. FLS is still in control, SOE makes the game more accessible for sales. The deal only helps both parties.
Okay, and what if SOE does by it 2 years down the road? It would be because FLS still botched it.
Or, let's play devil's advocate, FLS didn't sign the contract with SOE but 2 years down the road FLS sells to SOE out of the blue. What's the relevance? NONE. FLS is still in control, SOE makes the game more accessible for sales. The deal only helps both parties.
Same consistant rhetoric I have heard about dealing with SOE , but SOE seems to always able to grab games and do a good job of alienating the current players, while not adding anything that draws new players (at least any considerable amount). I guess i'm just crazy from learning from the past instead of ignoring it.
The fact that people who do not like SOE's practices and history are ridiculed, made fun of and called names just because they voice an opinion AGAINST SOE.
This is a free forum where anyone can express their feelings. People have a RIGHT not to like SOE or games/companies that associate with them.
See, this is where you're confused. SOE haters' aren't being ridiculed for voicing their stance that they won't buy the game because SOE's logo is on the box. SOME of them are being ridiculed because they are spreading rampant rumors that run contrary to the both the announcements and what the developers have stated as well as antagonize said developers (see Napocalypse's trolling, post 360), all for the sake of their unresolved issues.Please note, I said some; a few have actually simply stated their opinion that they won't buy/play anything associated with SOE and then left but there are a number of others that keep coming back, spewing absolutely false information to staifsy their trollish needs.
I totally understand that.
It's the post we're both referring to that I have a problem with. It groups ALL SOE haters together.
There are some SOE haters (like myself), who do what you say... state they have a problem with SOE and will not play anything associated with them.
There are other SOE haters that will bash a game or company that has anything remotely to do with SOE.
Grouping all of them together is unfair. There are many SOE haters that have valid complaints and reasons for not wanting to do business with them.
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Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO
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It wasn't a sweet deal...It wasn't something SOE 'offered'.
It was a set of guidelines and principals, and SOE was the ONLY distributor to agree to FLS demands! FLS got the deal that THEY wanted. Everyone else wanted various items and points of control. Everyone else paid lip service face to face and returned with a contract that wasn't what was discussed. SOE didn't.
I don't like what SOE did with SWG, but it was inevitable with Lucas calling the shots. I don't like the fact that devs were feeding BS to the playerbase. FLS devs are not paying lip service, and there is zero evidance to support that.
Seriously, if you haters were as vicious with real world problems as you are about your games, then maybe we wouldn't have politicians robbing us blind. Maybe we could feed the poor. But instead yall are just wrapped up in your self indulgance. I don't care what your momma told you growing up. You are not entitled to damn thing, the world changes with or without you. These companies don't owe you a damn thing. Things will happen with or without your knowledge or consent.
Furthermore, I'll call out 80% of the haters. I garuntee yall were the biggest whiners and complainers on the SWG boards well before the CU and NGE. If you weren't happy before, you just won't be happy. And that is your problem, not SOEs or FLS.
i dont think i even want to try this any more
now what's with the game companys these days there all signing up with soe
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Actually you are wrong. They owe us what they offer us in exchange for our money, and the other side of that is I cerrtainly don't owe these companies anything. I songled this out but your whole post is just illogical rambleings of assuptions of what people, who have learned about how incompatent SOE is, must be like.
Have you read whats on the Flying Labs site? Seriously, why cry over the fact that FL got excactly what they were looking for in a publisher ......
Have you read whats on the Flying Labs site? Seriously, why cry over the fact that FL got excactly what they were looking for in a publisher ......
Look at Vanguard's first announcement below. It looks the same. The future of PoTBS will be the same as Vanguard. It is sad that PC gaming is having so many failures. We will all be playing on the XBox and PS3 only soon.
May 5, 2006 – Carlsbad & San Diego, CA – Sigil Games Online and Sony Online Entertainment LLC (SOE), a global leader in the online games industry, today announced that Sigil is working with Microsoft Game Studios on an arrangement to acquire the rights to its highly anticipated massively multiplayer online (MMO) game, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes. These efforts have resulted in a tentative agreement for Vanguard to be co-published by both Sigil Games Online and SOE. All three companies will be showing the game at the upcoming Electronic Entertainment Expo (E3) as they work closely together for a successful transition. Vanguard: Saga of Heroes is scheduled to launch this winter.
“As the development process is ongoing and constantly shifting, it became clear that MGS and Sigil had varying visions and direction for the title’s development,” said Brad McQuaid, CEO of Sigil Games Online. “In the best interest of Vanguard, it was decided that we would buy back the publishing rights from Microsoft.”
As co-publisher of Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Sigil assumes greater control of marketing and PR, while maintaining responsibility for game development, community relations, media relations, customer support, and quality assurance. Under the terms of the agreement, SOE will provide distribution, marketing, hosting and back-end support -- including billing and technical support -- for the game. Additionally, SOE is tentatively planning on adding Vanguard, upon its release, to SOE’s Station Access™ subscription plan. Station Access allows players to enjoy all of SOE’s MMO titles for one low monthly price.
“We are very excited to be working with so many old friends at Sigil,” said John Smedley, president, Sony Online Entertainment. “Vanguard looks beautiful and has an incredibly rich game world. It’s the type of game that will appeal directly to SOE’s hundreds of thousands of players and should fit in perfectly with the current line-up of games available in Station Access.”
”This decision was made mutually by Sigil and Microsoft, in the best interest of the long-term goals for the title,” said Phil Spencer, General Manager at Microsoft Game Studios. “As a key Windows development partner, we will continue to work with Sigil to ensure Vanguard’s ongoing success.”
Vanguard: Saga of Heroes is the next generation of massively multiplayer online games. The journey takes place in the fantasy setting of Telon, a vast and ancient world of magic, intrigue and adventure. Facing the challenges of a war torn world, the diverse people here struggle to rebuild their once great civilizations. A fragile alliance has been struck, with the lands set upon by invading forces, the races must band together to survive.
Vanguard: Saga of Heroes is currently in a closed beta phase. The game will remain available via Fileplanet for existing beta testers during the transition to SOE. New information will be sent out to testers as the changeover occurs.
For more information about Vanguard: Saga of Heroes please visit www.vanguardsoh.com.
No offence here but that's rubbish. Without SOE there would be NO Vanguard anymore. The also give me massive respect to me as a player with EQ2, they CLEARLY listen to the player base. SOE learnt from SWG, get over it.
I was never much of a SOE fan, they screwed up with SWG and yet I got so sick of all this SOE hate I decided to try EQ2 and it's wonderful. I'm now so sick of all this (BADLY informed to the point of lying to prove points) SOE hate that I will now go out of my way to support both Pirates AND Gods just because I will be able to add them to my SOE account. I had very little interest in both of these titles until this thread.
Have you read whats on the Flying Labs site? Seriously, why cry over the fact that FL got excactly what they were looking for in a publisher ......
Look at Vanguard's first announcement below. It looks the same. The future of PoTBS will be the same as Vanguard. It is sad that PC gaming is having so many failures. We will all be playing on the XBox and PS3 only soon.
Vanguard was in trouble from the start, I even said so myself and said I expected SOE to take over the running of the game. And thank GODS that they have, without SOE there wouldn't be a game at all. And if PC gaming dies you'll have one company to blame, Microsoft. They are sucking the life out of PC gaming.
Correct me if I'm wrong Tnice, but wasn't Sigil's "buyback" of the publishing rights funded by SOE? Hence, a loan from SOE to Sigil to buyback the publishing rights.
I have no idea and don't really care. I've said it already but since this thread is all about repeating the same shit over and over I'll say it again, I'm going to try PotBS regardless and form my own opinion of a GAME that I am interested in.
Have you read whats on the Flying Labs site? Seriously, why cry over the fact that FL got excactly what they were looking for in a publisher ......
Look at Vanguard's first announcement below. It looks the same. The future of PoTBS will be the same as Vanguard. It is sad that PC gaming is having so many failures. We will all be playing on the XBox and PS3 only soon.
Vanguard was in trouble from the start, I even said so myself and said I expected SOE to take over the running of the game. And thank GODS that they have, without SOE there wouldn't be a game at all. And if PC gaming dies you'll have one company to blame, Microsoft. They are sucking the life out of PC gaming.
That is the point. I have no problems with SOE but this proves that PoTBS is in the same kind of trouble as Vanguard. It's problems just have not been talked about as much because it was not a big name game but it is clear from this move that the game is in trouble.
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Have you read whats on the Flying Labs site? Seriously, why cry over the fact that FL got excactly what they were looking for in a publisher ......
Look at Vanguard's first announcement below. It looks the same. The future of PoTBS will be the same as Vanguard. It is sad that PC gaming is having so many failures. We will all be playing on the XBox and PS3 only soon.
Vanguard was in trouble from the start, I even said so myself and said I expected SOE to take over the running of the game. And thank GODS that they have, without SOE there wouldn't be a game at all. And if PC gaming dies you'll have one company to blame, Microsoft. They are sucking the life out of PC gaming.
That is the point. I have no problems with SOE but this proves that PoTBS is in the same kind of trouble as Vanguard. It's problems just have not been talked about as much because it was not a big name game but it is clear from this move that the game is in trouble.
let's see they already stated they don't have money problem and answered alot of other concerns people had, yet some how they are lieing and you seem to think you have proof of them being in trouble, dude your way to paranoid, but i understand SOE has made you this way i guess.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
Okay, and what if SOE does by it 2 years down the road? It would be because FLS still botched it.
Or, let's play devil's advocate, FLS didn't sign the contract with SOE but 2 years down the road FLS sells to SOE out of the blue. What's the relevance? NONE. FLS is still in control, SOE makes the game more accessible for sales. The deal only helps both parties.
Same consistant rhetoric I have heard about dealing with SOE , but SOE seems to always able to grab games and do a good job of alienating the current players, while not adding anything that draws new players (at least any considerable amount). I guess i'm just crazy from learning from the past instead of ignoring it.
oh please, get off your high horse. Since MXO and VG were already in the hole when SOE acquired them, what other games has SOE "grabbed" and then alienated the current players?I'm an environmental artist at Flying Lab Software, and I'll assure all of you that absolutely nothing concerning the development of this game has changed since we signed the deal with Sony, nor will it change. If they hadn't told us we'd signed a deal with Sony, nobody in the development team would have even noticed. If we can't notice anything different about the game development since we signed a deal with Sony, it's pretty likely that neither will any of you.
Dont really care who u work for, u guys lost ur creditbility long time ago when that guy Brad MaQuaid set a perfect example of been a scumbag lying sob.
I can see the responses now, "OMG SOE TOLD HIM TO COME WRITE THAT!!!!!" "OMG THATS AN SOE PLANT THAT IS LYING, THEY SACRIFICED EVERY SINGLE FL DEV WHEN THEY TOOK OVER!!!!" etc etc
/sigh
Amazing how this thread still hasn't been locked yet, isn't it?
We lost our credibility for something someone, who none has us have met, at a completely different game company, did to a completely different game?
We lost our credibility for something someone, who none has us have met, at a completely different game company, did to a completely different game?
And right there sums up the twisted logic of a blind SOE hater. It make no sense and they steadfastly refuse to listen to any reason. Just roll with it and nod.
“Furthermore, I'll call out 80% of the haters”
I’ll accept on behalf of the so-called “haters”. But to make this formal, I first take offense and insult for customers who are unhappy with SOE to be labeled as “haters.” And thus I demand satisfaction.
/slap
Now unto your statements.
Defend yourself if you can.
/duel
“Seriously, if you haters were as vicious with real world problems as you are about your games, then maybe we wouldn't have politicians robbing us blind.”
Some people take the time to call up their officials, for example with this latest immigration bill in the US Senate. I have some phone numbers of the offices of US Senators if you care to voice your opinion. Off-topic.
“Maybe we could feed the poor.”
A swing and a miss, off-topic.
“But instead yall are just wrapped up in your self indulgance.”
The same can be said of you, take a look in the mirror.
“I don't care what your momma told you growing up.”
So why should people care with what you have to type out? Don’t care about others, then others will not care about you.
“You are not entitled to damn thing, the world changes with or without you.”
Typed out like a true conservative. Very true. But world events and its problems has no relation to the topic at hand. Please redefine your scope or rephrase the statement. Side note, history has proven that the world can be changed by just one person. An individual does have power and we must never forget that.
“These companies don't owe you a damn thing.”
Still preaching this? If “these companies” (ie: SOE) wants return business from dissatisfied customers, then SOE needs to provide some sort of incentive programs. To just say, ‘we made a mistake’ with no follow-up actions, does not bring customers back. And thus why there is this perceived “hatred” still going on.
“I garuntee yall were the biggest whiners and complainers on the SWG boards well before the CU and NGE.”
So with that and by typing this, “I don't like the fact that devs were feeding BS to the playerbase.”
Then it is ok by you to be silent while getting shafted. That is just like saying, “Be quiet fellow gamers, for we are just sheep. It is our lot in life to just get fracked and keep on going.”
The reason for those complaints was not due in part of the users, but by the management. Cause and effect.
“If you weren't happy before, you just won't be happy.”
Nice rational train of logic there. Let me get this right, 80% of the SWG complainers are just unhappy people to begin with. And thus the actions of SOE only made those people even unhappier. That sure makes a lot of sense.
“And that is your problem, not SOEs or FLS.”
Then explain to me why SOE’s customer base has decreased? Apparently there are a lot of people who have this “problem.” But this “problem” has impacted SOE quite a bit. Please by all means, prove me wrong by reviewing the stock-holder reports and press releases.
Again, this “hatred” can be effectively mitigated if SOE was to take pro-active actions. It is not difficult and companies have successfully conducted marketing campaigns at restoring their reputation.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.