So your professional observations and extensive research qualify your "opinion" how? I'm not a SOE fan, nor am I a hater, I am just playing devil's advocate.
I have descrived my experiences, posted links, explained industry impact, so many times in the last 2 years that it gets a bit old. I have yet to have anyone actually refute my claims with anything more than "don't be a hater" posts.
If people don't believe what I have to say... by all means... post some credible information proving that SOE is a responsible and trustworthy company that does not have a negative impact on small development firms.
Rather than constantly having to prove my point... I'd love to see someone disprove it.
If you feel the quality of a game is more important than the quality of the company publishing it, that is your choice. I won't fault you as a human being...
Am i wrong, or isn't the main reason people play games is for the QUALITY of the game? Whether it be graphics, gameplay, quests, storyline....Whatever it is, the majority of the mmorpg community is drawn into a game for the game. People play WoW because they like it, or hate it. Sure Blizzard's customer service could be part of the reason people leave the game, but i can almost gaurantee if someone enjoy's "pzowning n00bs" in BG's, or actually enjoy raiding the end-game content, they wont quit the game because Blizzard's name is slapped on it. (In no way am i promoting WoW btw) Sure if SOE has part in the game, it may make some gamers leary of the game, but bottom line is if the game's the sh*t, the game's the sh*t. No matter if X company produced it.
Dont get me wrong, I'm not the biggest fan of SOE as well, but if PotBS peaks and keeps my interest on release / months into it, i will keep playing it.
I didnt play SWG.. dont know what happened there but I played EQ2 and i think they did a great job with it.
Im not a SOE fanboy or SOE hater but I trust the Devs who make PotBS and I have high expectations about their game.
Im sure they had plenty of time to think and find the right publisher and Im sure they made the best choice they could for the better of their game. Also Im sure SOE will remain just a publisher here with no influences on inside game changes.
Lets not start with a negative opinion here. Give the game a chance! SOE didnt make it!
The thing Im really looking forward too is the launch day. They said we will be able to buy the game in a box or on a site and download it at launch.
Being able to download the game from the first day is GREAT! Alot of us in many countries need to wait weeks/months before we could find the game in a store and we are tired of always having to catch up. Sometimes we cant depending on the game and on our social life lol. So if we can download and play from the start we will be some freakin happy gamers and I really think this is a good move for any game.
I can agree that companies should be responsible with their products and all that. But lets face it, if we were to put businesses in that narrow scope most of them would fail to be transparent and responsible to begin with. At that point you'd be boycotting 90% of the places you go to.
Actually... it's not as harsh as you would think. I do actually practice what I consider "responsible consumerism" in as much of my daily life as possible. I always try to by local, and when I can't, I will go to the most responsible company I can for my goods and services.
Originally posted by Rehmes
Its just how the business world is, doesnt make it right but in the end one lone ranger withholding 15 bucks a month wont make a dent on them. So at that point you have a choice, stop yourself from playing a game (if its good) because if its dev or publisher? or simply go ahead and enjoy yourself.
I refuse to simply "give in" to the idea that business is what it is and I should deal. No thank you. I don't care if my own boycott of SOE has no impact on them or not. At least *I* am not giving them my money. And yes... I will stop myself from playing a potentially awesome game if my sub fees are going to go towards a business which I feel is worth boycotting. There are plenty of other ways to enjoy myself which don't require me selling out my convictions to play a game.
Originally posted by Rehmes
There are many other types of businesses that should garner the type of attention you put into SOE considering that their services are simply gaming, some others involve death for money and much worse.
I agree with you, and I put the same attention towards those as well, though the action I take is more direct than posting in forums. I do this from work, and I do that from home/in-person. Trust me, this isn't taking away from my consumer / human rights advocacy elsewhere.
Originally posted by Rehmes
You have your opinion ofc, and you make your own choices but imo SOE is just a game company and boycotting their products (the good ones that is) because i think they are the devil doesnt make sense to me. EA is very sketchy and people seem to not give a crap that their publishing WAR. And tbh....in my book EA is lower than SOE.
I don't think SOE is the devil, that's walmart. But that's a topic for another forum. lol
As for EA, I am definitely developing a similar distaste for them. Since they have aquired Mythic Entertainment... DAoC has suffered greatly. I haven't run into the same billing issues, and I did need to interact with the customer service people since I resubbed, and they were excellent with me. So, perhaps I should look more into EA, but any distrust of EA would not move me from my position on SOE in the least.
First game since YEARS that has potential to draw me away from eve at least for a while. This one shows incredible potential! If a game is extremely fun i'd even buy it off EA.
I was going to do the EA joke, damn. I'm still going to try the game. I'll give any MMO trying something new a chance.
I didnt play SWG.. dont know what happened there but I played EQ2 and i think they did a great job with it.
I played EQ2 from the 2nd week after launch until early '06. It went from awesome to crap to decent to crap to good to crap... not sure where it is now, haven't been back to see, as I am sure you can tell from my rants. lol
Originally posted by daemon
Im not a SOE fanboy or SOE hater but I trust the Devs who make PotBS and I have high expectations about their game.
We'll see how it all pans out in the longrun. The game has a lot of potential... but there is a lot of potential for problems now, too.
Originally posted by daemon
Im sure they had plenty of time to think and find the right publisher and Im sure they made the best choice they could for the better of their game. Also Im sure SOE will remain just a publisher here with no influences on inside game changes.
Ask Sigil how that worked out for them.
Originally posted by daemon
Lets not start with a negative opinion here. Give the game a chance! SOE didnt make it!
They didn't make Matrix Online or Vanguard either... but...
Originally posted by daemon
The thing Im really looking forward too is the launch day. They said we will be able to buy the game in a box or on a site and download it at launch.
Unless SOE pooches up distribution. They do that sometimes. Notorious for that with expansions in SOE... they had a lot of issues with Dessert of Flames, both with availability and the in-game items one was supposed to get. It was a nightmare for a lot of people.
Originally posted by daemon
Being able to download the game from the first day is GREAT! Alot of us in many countries need to wait weeks/months before we could find the game in a store and we are tired of always having to catch up. Sometimes we cant depending on the game and on our social life lol. So if we can download and play from the start we will be some freakin happy gamers and I really think this is a good move for any game.
The download should be more important than retail distribution, as every player will have internet access. Retail distribution is overrated in my eyes. I agree with you in this point 150%.
your welcome to your opinion dreneth like everyone else... it wont stop me buying SOE games now or in the furture as I have never had any issues with SOE and their games have been really fun to play..
I hope pirates will be good as well but who knows at the moment will just have to wait and see..
It is annoying that since this news was announced the other day abotu a million threads have popped up about it.. would be fine if it was just one thread.. just get a bit tedious seeing post after post about it..
As you will never have anything to do with SOE then you will never get to play any of their games even if they turn out to be awesome.. I also hope you dont own a playstion, ps2, ps3 or psp as some of the money from those sales will eventually get to SOE in some form or another.
"They didn't make Matrix Online or Vanguard either... but..."
thats true the brought them up when they ran into financial issues, both matrix and vanguard where broke before sony got hold of them, from what i have read about vanguard they are doing a better job then sigil ever did.. and i also read the matrix has got a bit better as well.. tho i cant belive that haha
I will settle in to play this game when they change it to "NINJAS of the Burning Sea."
Because we all know NINJAS are better then Pirates. This game will be full of wannabe Jack Sparrows, and Captain Hooks, among other butt pirates. I mean seriously, you can be British, Spanish, French, or a Pirate, I see everyone playing the role of Pirate. British ships will automatically carry more Tea then ammo. Spanish ships you will smell way before you see, loseing thier ambushing ability. And the French ships are pre-equiped with wine, smelly cheese, and back up lights. So none of them have any advantages, while Pirates get to use terms like ARRRRRGGGGHHH! and sing songs like dead mans chest.
Now bring in the Ninja Armada and they will be able to appear on any of the above listed ships and disembowl the crews and steal the wine and women, and enslave the french.
We know there are haters out there. When we made our plan to announce the deal, we told SOE we wanted to do our own announcement directly to our community the night before the press release, so we could explain what we're doing and why we're doing. If anyone reads all of Rusty's devlog on the subject and still has nothing to say but "SOE SUXORS U LOSE" then like Mister T, I can only pity the fool.
So now lost customers who just don't want to have anything to do with SOE are now just "haters." Not consumers making an informed choice about a company they've had bad experiences with in the past - no they're just "haters."
I've read just about every post about this now, here at MMORPG.com, over at your PotBS forums and also at the Open Discussion areas of other game forums. And I've never heard anyone say "SOE SUXORS U LOSE" or anything remotely like it until you said it in your interview.
You're all really coming off as petty now. You knew you were going to lose people who had been interested in this game for a long, long time over this. Buck up and take your medicine. I've made several posts about this at different boards and each time I've wished you folks and PotBS sea the best of luck, and have also said I wouldn't try to talk any of my friends who'd I'd gotten interested in PotBS out of playing it just because I won't have anything to do with SOE again. But after your comments, Mr. Tynes, I'm amending that and I will do everything I can to talk them out of playing your game.
your welcome to your opinion dreneth like everyone else... it wont stop me buying SOE games now or in the furture as I have never had any issues with SOE and their games have been really fun to play..
That's ok, I don't expect to change everyone's mind.
Originally posted by Caldrin
It is annoying that since this news was announced the other day abotu a million threads have popped up about it.. would be fine if it was just one thread.. just get a bit tedious seeing post after post about it..
No kidding... it gets difficult to debate in 40 different threads.
Originally posted by Caldrin
As you will never have anything to do with SOE then you will never get to play any of their games even if they turn out to be awesome.. I also hope you dont own a playstion, ps2, ps3 or psp as some of the money from those sales will eventually get to SOE in some form or another.
Actually... my distaste with SOE started after my first issues in EQ2, long after PS1 & PS2 were in my living room. I still have the PS2, and use it is a DVD player, though I do not purchase games for it. When it dies, I will replace it with an actual DVD player and to hell with PS3. I don't buy Sony anymore... haven't for some time now. SOE is a seperate corporate entity which is owned by Sony, but most of the decisions and practices which I take issue with come from SOE's corporate governance. As long as SOE is profitable and out of legal trouble... Sony probably woudn't have much to do with (even know about) many of these issues.
Originally posted by Caldrin
thats true the brought them up when they ran into financial issues, both matrix and vanguard where broke before sony got hold of them, from what i have read about vanguard they are doing a better job then sigil ever did.. and i also read the matrix has got a bit better as well.. tho i cant belive that haha
Sigil never had the chance to do well or poorly... they sold out before launching the game. As for the matrix online... lol
Christ, you haters are all over these threads like flies on a turd, aren't you? Fine, we know you're not gonna touch it due to SOE, despite your ignorance. Great, now piss off and go play what you do like. FLS don't appear to need your business.
Back on topic, the piece about questing was a good read. Sounds real piratey Very much looking forward to this. Reckon I might be able to find a good RP home.
On that note, if any devs are watching this thread, how's the game going to be for roleplayers? Cheers!
So you're saying that the haters are the flies, what does that make SoE in your analogy then, hehe
Oh and on a side note, I do hope SoE doesn't drop the ball when it comes to "Marketing". They have been seriously lacking in that department in the past. Look how badly they did when it came to advertising Vanguard, Everquest II, The Matrix Online and Planetside. I only recall seeing a couple of magazine adds from them (none from MXO) and one crappy commercial for Star Wars Galaxies after the NGE. I mean when WoW first launched, you couldn't turn around without it hitting you in the face, SoE has been making their games more WoW like, when they really need to make their advertising department more like WoW's. Ok thats about all I have to say on the subject.
Christ, you haters are all over these threads like flies on a turd, aren't you? Fine, we know you're not gonna touch it due to SOE, despite your ignorance. Great, now piss off and go play what you do like. FLS don't appear to need your business.
Back on topic, the piece about questing was a good read. Sounds real piratey Very much looking forward to this. Reckon I might be able to find a good RP home.
On that note, if any devs are watching this thread, how's the game going to be for roleplayers? Cheers!
So you're saying that the haters are the flies, what does that make SoE in your analogy then, hehe
That being as it may, turd is a hell of a lot more useful than flies.
"Actually... my distaste with SOE started after my first issues in EQ2, long after PS1 & PS2 were in my living room. I still have the PS2, and use it is a DVD player, though I do not purchase games for it. When it dies, I will replace it with an actual DVD player and to hell with PS3. I don't buy Sony anymore... haven't for some time now. SOE is a seperate corporate entity which is owned by Sony, but most of the decisions and practices which I take issue with come from SOE's corporate governance. As long as SOE is profitable and out of legal trouble... Sony probably woudn't have much to do with (even know about) many of these issues."
I'm looking forward to playing this game. It's great to see the developers communicating with the community as much as FLS has. Thanks for the Q&A!
Oh, you mean like when they were making statements like "looking for a distributor..." while they were actually negotiating with one? They waited until the deal was inked to mention anything, rather than state they were looking into SOE as an option... why do you think that is?
I am a SWG player and quit the game the day of NGE ... but I don't entirely blame SOE. SOE has made what I consider the best and most stable all around MMO to date....EQ2. They made 1 mistake.... I think everyone deserves a second chance.
I love the idea that Pirates will be on Station Pass and I can't wait to play it.
The fact that you don't care about the company's history is an example of why companies can get away with horrible business practices. People are too complacent, and will overlook the bad so they can get self gratification. It's sad, really... not that you care.
No, the fact that I don't care about the company's history is an example of being an adult who understands that it's just a game. SOE isn't poluting the world and funding terrorism. They're just making games. Some good...some bad. Big deal. What's sad is people who go off on their little personal crusades against a gaming company in the name of bad business practices when in reality, it's just a case of sour grapes. Actually... my grudges are less about changes to a game and more about horrible business practices, dishonesty, and their business model being harmful to the industry. The issues with changes to the game would have been enough for me to cancel, not rant the way I do. Yeah, right. I think it's more of a case of someone needs to come to the boards and get a little attention. Look how many times you've posted in this one thread. It's okay. We see you. We hear you. We acknowledge that you are obsessively against anything SOE. What more is there to say?
No, the fact that I don't care about the company's history is an example of being an adult who understands that it's just a game. SOE isn't poluting the world and funding terrorism. They're just making games. Some good...some bad. Big deal. What's sad is people who go off on their little personal crusades against a gaming company in the name of bad business practices when in reality, it's just a case of sour grapes.
Why is it that people feel the need to bring terrorism into discussions like this? Are you really going to trivialize something so serious by using the death of thousands to make a point in a debate regarding video games? THAT is what is sad. Shame on you.
My position regarding the issue at hand is in no way related to the topics you attempted to bring up, so why don't we stay on topic, shall we? As for my "little personal crusade", you are really bing very silly.
Originally posted by Deathstrike2
Yeah, right. I think it's more of a case of someone needs to come to the boards and get a little attention. Look how many times you've posted in this one thread. It's okay. We see you. We hear you. We acknowledge that you are obsessively against anything SOE. What more is there to say?
Actually, I am not looking for the attention for myself... but rather making an issue of things in the hopes I will turn customers away from FLS and SOE. If that upsets you... block me. Then you don't have to read it. Or you could invalidate your point that I am looking for attention by continuing to do the same in replying to me. lol
The fact remains that Pirates of the Burning Sea is a game.
Games are meant to be fun and enjoyed. Personally I think FLS has a great game that will be immensely fun with/without SOE partnership. If you disagree, thats your own opinion.
So if anyone out there wants to have fun and yell 'YARR!' at the top of their lungs there should be an open beta before release. You should be able to play PotBS for free without having to pay SOE a dime. You can decide for youself if its a fun game.
All others can go sulk and rant in a corner as I will be having fun, laughing, meeting new friends and supporting corporate america.
Why is it that people feel the need to bring terrorism into discussions like this? Are you really going to trivialize something so serious by using the death of thousands to make a point in a debate regarding video games? THAT is what is sad. Shame on you. Way to attempt to twist things around. The point is you're treating SOE like some kind of evil company, and you are ranting about how bad it is. In reality, it's just like any other company out there trying to make money, and they're using MMOs to do it. My position regarding the issue at hand is in no way related to the topics you attempted to bring up, so why don't we stay on topic, shall we? As for my "little personal crusade", you are really bing very silly. I'm not "bing" anything. Coming here and repeatedly bashing SOE the way you are...now that's silly. Actually, I am not looking for the attention for myself... but rather making an issue of things in the hopes I will turn customers away from FLS and SOE. If that upsets you... block me. Then you don't have to read it. Or you could invalidate your point that I am looking for attention by continuing to do the same in replying to me. lol I seriously doubt that. You have basically taken over this thread with your nonsense.
You're all really coming off as petty now. You knew you were going to lose people who had been interested in this game for a long, long time over this. Buck up and take your medicine. I've made several posts about this at different boards and each time I've wished you folks and PotBS sea the best of luck, and have also said I wouldn't try to talk any of my friends who'd I'd gotten interested in PotBS out of playing it just because I won't have anything to do with SOE again. But after your comments, Mr. Tynes, I'm amending that and I will do everything I can to talk them out of playing your game.
I'm the Mr. Tynes you're referring to and I was really just trying to make a joke. You clearly aren't someone who has nothing to say but SOE SUXORS, so you're not the kind of poster I mentioned. I'm in no way saying that people who never want to play an SOE title ever again are just haters -- what I am saying, and will happily continue to say, is that people who have no more reasoned opinion than SOE SUXORS are haters.
We have people in our community, on our forums, who have been active for months or longer, and who now say they're leaving because they decided some time ago not to play any more SOE titles. I can and do totally respect that, and those are not the kinds of people I was making a silly joke about.
Reaction to the announcement has actually been better than I expected. We knew there would be a lot of negativity from some people, both in our community and elsewhere, and we weighed that against the benefits SOE could provide and decided to take our lumps. But taking our lumps doesn't mean sitting meekly and apologizing over and over again -- it means clearly explaining our position and our reasons and showing up in forums like this to provide discussion.
I'm sorry my joke offended you. It's been a long couple of days and I thought a little levity was in order. I never said that people who are burned out on SOE were haters, and I really don't want to leave anyone with that impression. Principled disagreement is a fine thing; unreasoning flames are not, and that's what I was trying to talk about.
John Tynes Producer, Pirates of the Burning Sea Flying Lab Software
Way to attempt to twist things around. The point is you're treating SOE like some kind of evil company, and you are ranting about how bad it is. In reality, it's just like any other company out there trying to make money, and they're using MMOs to do it.
Actually... both points are correct. Take both positions you show here, and merge them... then we're on the same page.
Originally posted by Deathstrike2
I'm not "bing" anything. Coming here and repeatedly bashing SOE the way you are...now that's silly.
So what does that make you for spending the time to argue with me? You are as much responsible for the silly here as I am.
Originally posted by Deathstrike2
I seriously doubt that. You have basically taken over this thread with your nonsense.
I am simply replying to people who reply to me. That's what forums are for. We're going off topic again.
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If people don't believe what I have to say... by all means... post some credible information proving that SOE is a responsible and trustworthy company that does not have a negative impact on small development firms.
Rather than constantly having to prove my point... I'd love to see someone disprove it.
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Dont get me wrong, I'm not the biggest fan of SOE as well, but if PotBS peaks and keeps my interest on release / months into it, i will keep playing it.
I didnt play SWG.. dont know what happened there but I played EQ2 and i think they did a great job with it.
Im not a SOE fanboy or SOE hater but I trust the Devs who make PotBS and I have high expectations about their game.
Im sure they had plenty of time to think and find the right publisher and Im sure they made the best choice they could for the better of their game. Also Im sure SOE will remain just a publisher here with no influences on inside game changes.
Lets not start with a negative opinion here. Give the game a chance! SOE didnt make it!
The thing Im really looking forward too is the launch day. They said we will be able to buy the game in a box or on a site and download it at launch.
Being able to download the game from the first day is GREAT! Alot of us in many countries need to wait weeks/months before we could find the game in a store and we are tired of always having to catch up. Sometimes we cant
depending on the game and on our social life lol. So if we can download and play from the start we will be some freakin happy gamers and I really think this is a good move for any game.
Actually... it's not as harsh as you would think. I do actually practice what I consider "responsible consumerism" in as much of my daily life as possible. I always try to by local, and when I can't, I will go to the most responsible company I can for my goods and services.
I refuse to simply "give in" to the idea that business is what it is and I should deal. No thank you. I don't care if my own boycott of SOE has no impact on them or not. At least *I* am not giving them my money. And yes... I will stop myself from playing a potentially awesome game if my sub fees are going to go towards a business which I feel is worth boycotting. There are plenty of other ways to enjoy myself which don't require me selling out my convictions to play a game.
I agree with you, and I put the same attention towards those as well, though the action I take is more direct than posting in forums. I do this from work, and I do that from home/in-person. Trust me, this isn't taking away from my consumer / human rights advocacy elsewhere.
I don't think SOE is the devil, that's walmart. But that's a topic for another forum. lol
As for EA, I am definitely developing a similar distaste for them. Since they have aquired Mythic Entertainment... DAoC has suffered greatly. I haven't run into the same billing issues, and I did need to interact with the customer service people since I resubbed, and they were excellent with me. So, perhaps I should look more into EA, but any distrust of EA would not move me from my position on SOE in the least.
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I was going to do the EA joke, damn. I'm still going to try the game. I'll give any MMO trying something new a chance.
I played EQ2 from the 2nd week after launch until early '06. It went from awesome to crap to decent to crap to good to crap... not sure where it is now, haven't been back to see, as I am sure you can tell from my rants. lol
We'll see how it all pans out in the longrun. The game has a lot of potential... but there is a lot of potential for problems now, too.
Ask Sigil how that worked out for them.
They didn't make Matrix Online or Vanguard either... but...
Unless SOE pooches up distribution. They do that sometimes. Notorious for that with expansions in SOE... they had a lot of issues with Dessert of Flames, both with availability and the in-game items one was supposed to get. It was a nightmare for a lot of people.
The download should be more important than retail distribution, as every player will have internet access. Retail distribution is overrated in my eyes. I agree with you in this point 150%.
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your welcome to your opinion dreneth like everyone else... it wont stop me buying SOE games now or in the furture as I have never had any issues with SOE and their games have been really fun to play..
I hope pirates will be good as well but who knows at the moment will just have to wait and see..
It is annoying that since this news was announced the other day abotu a million threads have popped up about it.. would be fine if it was just one thread.. just get a bit tedious seeing post after post about it..
As you will never have anything to do with SOE then you will never get to play any of their games even if they turn out to be awesome.. I also hope you dont own a playstion, ps2, ps3 or psp as some of the money from those sales will eventually get to SOE in some form or another.
"They didn't make Matrix Online or Vanguard either... but..."
thats true the brought them up when they ran into financial issues, both matrix and vanguard where broke before sony got hold of them, from what i have read about vanguard they are doing a better job then sigil ever did.. and i also read the matrix has got a bit better as well.. tho i cant belive that haha
I will settle in to play this game when they change it to "NINJAS of the Burning Sea."
Because we all know NINJAS are better then Pirates. This game will be full of wannabe Jack Sparrows, and Captain Hooks, among other butt pirates.
I mean seriously, you can be British, Spanish, French, or a Pirate, I see everyone playing the role of Pirate.
British ships will automatically carry more Tea then ammo.
Spanish ships you will smell way before you see, loseing thier ambushing ability.
And the French ships are pre-equiped with wine, smelly cheese, and back up lights.
So none of them have any advantages, while Pirates get to use terms like ARRRRRGGGGHHH! and sing songs like dead mans chest.
Now bring in the Ninja Armada and they will be able to appear on any of the above listed ships and disembowl the crews and steal the wine and women, and enslave the french.
Not so nice guy!
So now lost customers who just don't want to have anything to do with SOE are now just "haters." Not consumers making an informed choice about a company they've had bad experiences with in the past - no they're just "haters."
I've read just about every post about this now, here at MMORPG.com, over at your PotBS forums and also at the Open Discussion areas of other game forums. And I've never heard anyone say "SOE SUXORS U LOSE" or anything remotely like it until you said it in your interview.
You're all really coming off as petty now. You knew you were going to lose people who had been interested in this game for a long, long time over this. Buck up and take your medicine. I've made several posts about this at different boards and each time I've wished you folks and PotBS sea the best of luck, and have also said I wouldn't try to talk any of my friends who'd I'd gotten interested in PotBS out of playing it just because I won't have anything to do with SOE again. But after your comments, Mr. Tynes, I'm amending that and I will do everything I can to talk them out of playing your game.
That's ok, I don't expect to change everyone's mind.
No kidding... it gets difficult to debate in 40 different threads.
Actually... my distaste with SOE started after my first issues in EQ2, long after PS1 & PS2 were in my living room. I still have the PS2, and use it is a DVD player, though I do not purchase games for it. When it dies, I will replace it with an actual DVD player and to hell with PS3. I don't buy Sony anymore... haven't for some time now. SOE is a seperate corporate entity which is owned by Sony, but most of the decisions and practices which I take issue with come from SOE's corporate governance. As long as SOE is profitable and out of legal trouble... Sony probably woudn't have much to do with (even know about) many of these issues.
Sigil never had the chance to do well or poorly... they sold out before launching the game. As for the matrix online... lol
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So you're saying that the haters are the flies, what does that make SoE in your analogy then, hehe
Oh and on a side note, I do hope SoE doesn't drop the ball when it comes to "Marketing". They have been seriously lacking in that department in the past. Look how badly they did when it came to advertising Vanguard, Everquest II, The Matrix Online and Planetside. I only recall seeing a couple of magazine adds from them (none from MXO) and one crappy commercial for Star Wars Galaxies after the NGE. I mean when WoW first launched, you couldn't turn around without it hitting you in the face, SoE has been making their games more WoW like, when they really need to make their advertising department more like WoW's. Ok thats about all I have to say on the subject.
LMAO - well said
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So you're saying that the haters are the flies, what does that make SoE in your analogy then, hehe
That being as it may, turd is a hell of a lot more useful than flies.
I'm looking forward to playing this game. It's great to see the developers communicating with the community as much as FLS has. Thanks for the Q&A!
Was this supposed to make sense? lol
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"Actually... my distaste with SOE started after my first issues in EQ2, long after PS1 & PS2 were in my living room. I still have the PS2, and use it is a DVD player, though I do not purchase games for it. When it dies, I will replace it with an actual DVD player and to hell with PS3. I don't buy Sony anymore... haven't for some time now. SOE is a seperate corporate entity which is owned by Sony, but most of the decisions and practices which I take issue with come from SOE's corporate governance. As long as SOE is profitable and out of legal trouble... Sony probably woudn't have much to do with (even know about) many of these issues."
haha well thats all the ps2 was good for anyway
Oh, you mean like when they were making statements like "looking for a distributor..." while they were actually negotiating with one? They waited until the deal was inked to mention anything, rather than state they were looking into SOE as an option... why do you think that is?
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I am a SWG player and quit the game the day of NGE ... but I don't entirely blame SOE. SOE has made what I consider the best and most stable all around MMO to date....EQ2. They made 1 mistake.... I think everyone deserves a second chance.
I love the idea that Pirates will be on Station Pass and I can't wait to play it.
Why is it that people feel the need to bring terrorism into discussions like this? Are you really going to trivialize something so serious by using the death of thousands to make a point in a debate regarding video games? THAT is what is sad. Shame on you.
My position regarding the issue at hand is in no way related to the topics you attempted to bring up, so why don't we stay on topic, shall we? As for my "little personal crusade", you are really bing very silly.
Actually, I am not looking for the attention for myself... but rather making an issue of things in the hopes I will turn customers away from FLS and SOE. If that upsets you... block me. Then you don't have to read it. Or you could invalidate your point that I am looking for attention by continuing to do the same in replying to me. lol
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The fact remains that Pirates of the Burning Sea is a game.
Games are meant to be fun and enjoyed. Personally I think FLS has a great game that will be immensely fun with/without SOE partnership. If you disagree, thats your own opinion.
So if anyone out there wants to have fun and yell 'YARR!' at the top of their lungs there should be an open beta before release. You should be able to play PotBS for free without having to pay SOE a dime. You can decide for youself if its a fun game.
All others can go sulk and rant in a corner as I will be having fun, laughing, meeting new friends and supporting corporate america.
I don't rant from the corner... I can't reach the PC from there.
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We have people in our community, on our forums, who have been active for months or longer, and who now say they're leaving because they decided some time ago not to play any more SOE titles. I can and do totally respect that, and those are not the kinds of people I was making a silly joke about.
Reaction to the announcement has actually been better than I expected. We knew there would be a lot of negativity from some people, both in our community and elsewhere, and we weighed that against the benefits SOE could provide and decided to take our lumps. But taking our lumps doesn't mean sitting meekly and apologizing over and over again -- it means clearly explaining our position and our reasons and showing up in forums like this to provide discussion.
I'm sorry my joke offended you. It's been a long couple of days and I thought a little levity was in order. I never said that people who are burned out on SOE were haters, and I really don't want to leave anyone with that impression. Principled disagreement is a fine thing; unreasoning flames are not, and that's what I was trying to talk about.
John Tynes
Producer, Pirates of the Burning Sea
Flying Lab Software
Actually... both points are correct. Take both positions you show here, and merge them... then we're on the same page.
So what does that make you for spending the time to argue with me? You are as much responsible for the silly here as I am.
I am simply replying to people who reply to me. That's what forums are for. We're going off topic again.
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