You know, i would have loved to play vanguards to give it a go, it sounded like it had a lot going for it. The same could be said about PotBS, but i just cant rightly justify paying into a game knowing that $OE holds the plug to it. You can tell someone all you want that that extension cord is yours and you control everything about it... but if they control that outlet your cord wont do shit... and dont think for a moment that $OE wont abuse that power.
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Oh well, I had such high hopes for FLying Labs and their Pirates of the Burning Sea and now it's been doomed to fail. I'm not sure what's worse, SOE being a part of it or Flying Labs making SOE a part of it.
Brand recognition is key here kids. It's equal to buying a bad pair of shoes thay blisters your feet then never purchasing another pair from said company due to the displeasure. SOE is much worse with a sinle word summing up their directives, LIARS. The lies cast by SOE, its president and their staff or horrendous. They have repeatedly proved they have absolutely no regard for consumers of the products.
I will never spend a cent on an SOE product regarldess of how much, or how little, they've got their tendrils into it; same with Lucas Arts. They proved to me, and many many others, that I have no face other then a greenback. The market it ruch with MMO's and there's even a few good MMORPG's stil out there. While the genre grows and continues to develop I'll possess a multitude of options to share with others on how to better enjoy thier online expeirances.
I will not hesitate to express and share my distaste with a business such as theirs and if I can turn away 10 people from their products it'll be 10 people who'll be happier elsewhere.
Good bye Pirtates of the Burning Sea. Good bye Flying Labs.
The real problem POTBS has here is not SWG, but Vanguard. The exact same thing happened with Vanguard -- announcing SOE as 'publisher' but saying 'they will not be involved' -- followed a few months after launch by SOE taking it over. This was exactly what the fans/players feared would happen (that SOE would take over) and it is exactly what did happen. So the question is, why shoudl anyone believe Flying Labs and SOE now, given what happened with Vanguard?
Yes, they are two different cases, but once bitten, twice shy, and all that... gamers have long memories, and the SOE/Vanguard thing just happened in any case. I doubt that most people actually believe the "SOE will not be involved in development" line at all now (not that most of us did the first time around). It's no longer believable.
Well, love them or hate them, SOE is pretty smart at marketing. This is a good way for them to get their hands on some extra cash.
Though this also means that if the game flops, Sony will, just as with Vangaurd, start to move more aggressively, demanding a return on their investment.
Flying Lab Software and SOE have teamed up to bring you PotBS if you havent heard. Basically... PotBS is still in charge of everything short of production and billing... BUT i just dont want to give anymore money to SOE. I just cant justify it... thats my two cents. what you all think?
Unfortunately, if it is released in a polished and functional condition and flops, the fact that it isn't a swords and sorcery WoW clone will be blamed for it.
god i hope not... i cant take anymore orcs bashing elves and vice versa
SOE being involved will prevent a number of folks from even trying this game (I'm one of them). If the game does poorly, everyone in the gaming media will scapegoat the game's backdrop as the reason. I was very interested in PotBS, until I realized SOE was the publisher they were negotiating with when they announced the launch delay. The SOE partnership will definitely scare away potential players, especially with what happened with Vanguard (the whole "SOE will have nothing to do with development" retort was pretty well crushed by the Vanguard fiasco).
The fact that Galaxies didn't achieve the million subscriptions that were being predicted have been attributed to it not being a fantasy game, as well as being a sandbox game. Nobody, aside from some of us former players, brings up the fact that glaringly obvious things needed fixed and were ignored, while things that the players didn't want were worked on instead.
I will predict that PotBS will, at the most, be a marginal success, and the fact that it isn't a fantasy game will be blamed. That is unless it is released as a buggy piece of crap, then the fact that it is a buggy piece of crap will be rightly blamed.
Yeah, VG failed cause of Sigil my lil friend and if you think SOE managed to screw the game up 6 months before it launched, think again. Sigil was Brad's lil EQ2 baby and I seriously think you must be out of your mind if you think SOE totally revamped and destroyed an MMO in 6 months. I seriously feel pity for people like you who are so paranoid about something that they make stuff up to make their world a real place.
They have done it before. A mere six months separated the CU from the NGE so yes SOE has revamped a game, and then destroyed it in a mere six months. If you look at the NGE as a single event then they revamped and destroyed an MMO the minute they loaded the nge into the servers despite an almost united voice screaming NO!
The real problem POTBS has here is not SWG, but Vanguard. The exact same thing happened with Vanguard -- announcing SOE as 'publisher' but saying 'they will not be involved' -- followed a few months after launch by SOE taking it over. This was exactly what the fans/players feared would happen (that SOE would take over) and it is exactly what did happen. So the question is, why shoudl anyone believe Flying Labs and SOE now, given what happened with Vanguard? Yes, they are two different cases, but once bitten, twice shy, and all that... gamers have long memories, and the SOE/Vanguard thing just happened in any case. I doubt that most people actually believe the "SOE will not be involved in development" line at all now (not that most of us did the first time around). It's no longer believable.
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Yeah before you know it they will release the NPE or New Pirate Enhancements to make the game more Piratey!
why you all hate SOE i think thay make the best online games out there thay took over vanguard and now it is improveing if you dont like them then stop complaining and play something else no one is forceing you all to play SOE games. and if you noticed sony dont have anything to do with developeing it only billing and useing the launcher that i think is a good idea so you dont have to make a new acount to play the game.
What do you think this forum is for? Its certainly not the lets talk about SOE, and the fluffy rainbow land coalition. It is a refuge for the fans they scorned by releasing the abomination that wreckied the paying fans game play experience.
Nobody, aside from some of us former players, brings up the fact that glaringly obvious things needed fixed and were ignored, while things that the players didn't want were worked on instead.
This is the most resonable and well thought out reason to dislike SOE. Anything other than it seems a bit petty but even players of the NGE can agree that this was the big goof on their part. I for one, may give PotBS a try even though SOE will have a hand in it jsut because im not afraid of SOE and if the game is fun then so be it. TO fully boycott LA and SOE would take a greater effort than it really would ever be worth. That includes ILM which makes some of the greatest effects out there. Sony has their hand in everything and I just dont care enough to read packages all day.
There are some things SWG vets will definitely like about PotBS, but mostly I think it will be the community, as PotBS has some really friendly and intelligent players (maybe due to its indie origins, historical motif, its focus on economy and market, and its complex user submitted content system) and amazing developers who communicate very well.
To those of you who are already formulating ideas that PotBS is crummy, even if you play it, think before you bash PotBS. Just because its distributed by SoE doesnt mean hurting PotBS will somehow bring down SoE... So I dunno... Can we try to recognize when we are biased and keep our mouths shut?
Originally posted by Scalebane i see then, SOE scarred you so badly your willing to hurt everyone else in you crusade against the evil SOE. good luck to you i guess.
No... just willing to hurt $OE and those who sleep in their bed.
Really.. how is my loathing for $OE hurting you in any way? It isn't. Thanks for the concern.
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Originally posted by Shayde Originally posted by Scalebane i see then, SOE scarred you so badly your willing to hurt everyone else in you crusade against the evil SOE. good luck to you i guess.
No... just willing to hurt $OE and those who sleep in their bed.
Really.. how is my loathing for $OE hurting you in any way? It isn't. Thanks for the concern.
The day John Smedley is fired (inevitable soon as their new games flop) I plan to throw a big party. Smed is a pathological liar (documented by his outright lies from the SWG oforums, such as "The CU is here to stay" posted less than 4 months before the NGE), and is in my opinion unethical and untrustworthy. By association, so are those who work for him.
For those of you who dont know much about PotBS, heres an overview:
http://www.whitewolfclan.net/pobs/review.htm There are some things SWG vets will definitely like about PotBS, but mostly I think it will be the community, as PotBS has some really friendly and intelligent players (maybe due to its indie origins, historical motif, its focus on economy and market, and its complex user submitted content system) and amazing developers who communicate very well. To those of you who are already formulating ideas that PotBS is crummy, even if you play it, think before you bash PotBS. Just because its distributed by SoE doesnt mean hurting PotBS will somehow bring down SoE... So I dunno... Can we try to recognize when we are biased and keep our mouths shut?
I understand your concern - why bash the game itself, since people may like it - but I think you're missing the point.
Those of us who feel wronged by SOE, don't really care if PotBS is a great game or not. The point is, SOE took a bite of it, and it is now poison. We've seen this in the past, and when they get their hands on it, they corrupt it. It has gone from being a foregone conclusion that SOE will ruin a game, to not even an issue - simply the fact that they have anything to do with it pushes us away. For those who can stomach playing a game that SOE is involved in, you will base the game on its own merits, and that's your decision. For some of us, it's a non-starter - SOE touched it, therefore it's unclean, regardless of the quality of the game itself. Sony as a whole will never get another dime of my money.
For those of you who dont know much about PotBS, heres an overview:
http://www.whitewolfclan.net/pobs/review.htm There are some things SWG vets will definitely like about PotBS, but mostly I think it will be the community, as PotBS has some really friendly and intelligent players (maybe due to its indie origins, historical motif, its focus on economy and market, and its complex user submitted content system) and amazing developers who communicate very well. To those of you who are already formulating ideas that PotBS is crummy, even if you play it, think before you bash PotBS. Just because its distributed by SoE doesnt mean hurting PotBS will somehow bring down SoE... So I dunno... Can we try to recognize when we are biased and keep our mouths shut?
Umm, if I get burned by a company, I make sure to tell friends not to buy from them. If you were a true friend, you would tell them of your experience before they too ended up with a piece of junk.
So it will always be with SOE. I will FOREVER tell anyone and everyone who might be interested in online gaming not to waste their time with an SOE product. They are an untrustworthy company that nullified my investment of time and real money on a hobby that I believed to be as stable as anyone else's MMORPG. They will NEVER undo what they have done.
SOE is not to be trusted and so Pirates is condemned to their fate. They know SOE's reputation with their customers and they decided to go forward anyway. Too bad for them.
I think it would be a good thing if Pirates flops on release after this announcement because then it would start to indicate the trend that might kill off SOE publishing efforts. Outside of EQ and SWG, they haven't had a blockbuster MMO IP in their midst. Compared to WoW, for example, station pass seems like a B-list of games.
SOE publishing is just a bad, bad idea. There's too much conflict of interest involved for station pass, especially if subs are counted against each other (which they probably are, but not publicly, where we only get to see -- at best -- the total subs). They have every reason to heavily promote internal churn toward SOE produced games, because it benefits the parent company directly. Furthermore if companies tank on their own, then SOE has (almost certainly) first dibs on the buyout for the IP and, in essence, buying work with no production costs.
There's no reason for all these IPs to risk so many sales (and they know they're risking or killing total sales if they're making press comments trying to resolve flames with SOE) because of mistakes that SOE made with their IPs. I'd much prefer to see an independent marking service, completely neutral to development, spring up to cater to the needs of MMO development companies.
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So what you are all saying is, it doesnt matter if a game is good or bad and if the developers of the game are good or bad, if the game has any ties to SoE then you are going to do everything you can to make it look poor and to bring it crashing down?
So what you are all saying is, it doesnt matter if a game is good or bad and if the developers of the game are good or bad, if the game has any ties to SoE then you are going to do everything you can to make it look poor and to bring it crashing down?
I don't want to "bring it down," but I will always share my own bad experience with SOE with others to make them aware of them. It's impossible for me to suddenly 'hate' a game I've looked forward to for two years even if I cannot play it now due to the SOE deal but I will not give one red cent to Smedley's coffers. Not now or ever.
So what you are all saying is, it doesnt matter if a game is good or bad and if the developers of the game are good or bad, if the game has any ties to SoE then you are going to do everything you can to make it look poor and to bring it crashing down?
If your friend was going to buy Hefty trashbags, but you knew the brand to be more expensive and break more often than an alternative, would you not tell them? This is all it comes down to. SOE is an inferior brand run by people who do not respect the time and investments of their customers. They are toast and will NEVER change their reputation. Anyone that ties their hitch to them will suffer the same fate. They will be perceived to be inferior because they are associated with a company that is KNOWN to be unscrupulous.
So what you are all saying is, it doesnt matter if a game is good or bad and if the developers of the game are good or bad, if the game has any ties to SoE then you are going to do everything you can to make it look poor and to bring it crashing down?
If your friend was going to buy Hefty trashbags, but you knew the brand to be more expensive and break more often than an alternative, would you not tell them? This is all it comes down to. SOE is an inferior brand run by people who do not respect the time and investments of their customers. They are toast and will NEVER change their reputation. Anyone that ties their hitch to them will suffer the same fate. They will be perceived to be inferior because they are associated with a company that is KNOWN to be unscrupulous.
The reality is that SOE is not the brand of this game ... please read the press releases, its so clear, they are merely the conduit to putting the game on the shelves. From your logic I am guessing that you wouldnt buy a product because its stocked by a store you dont like, although the product is fine ... odd
So what you are all saying is, it doesnt matter if a game is good or bad and if the developers of the game are good or bad, if the game has any ties to SoE then you are going to do everything you can to make it look poor and to bring it crashing down?
If your friend was going to buy Hefty trashbags, but you knew the brand to be more expensive and break more often than an alternative, would you not tell them? This is all it comes down to. SOE is an inferior brand run by people who do not respect the time and investments of their customers. They are toast and will NEVER change their reputation. Anyone that ties their hitch to them will suffer the same fate. They will be perceived to be inferior because they are associated with a company that is KNOWN to be unscrupulous.
The reality is that SOE is not the brand of this game ... please read the press releases, its so clear, they are merely the conduit to putting the game on the shelves. From your logic I am guessing that you wouldnt buy a product because its stocked by a store you dont like, although the product is fine ... odd
The name emblazoned on the box will INDEED be SOE. They are handling the distribution. Glad partnering to produce trashbags for Hefty but allowing Hefty to put their name on them does not make them Glad trashbags. They are Hefty. Even if they are superior Glad trashbags, they are tainted by the Hefty name. That is the way the world works. Guilty by association alone. Try to spin it any way you want, but consumers are not dumb.
Originally posted by akevv Originally posted by TettersOriginally posted by akevv Originally posted by wormywyrm So what you are all saying is, it doesnt matter if a game is good or bad and if the developers of the game are good or bad, if the game has any ties to SoE then you are going to do everything you can to make it look poor and to bring it crashing down?
If your friend was going to buy Hefty trashbags, but you knew the brand to be more expensive and break more often than an alternative, would you not tell them? This is all it comes down to. SOE is an inferior brand run by people who do not respect the time and investments of their customers. They are toast and will NEVER change their reputation. Anyone that ties their hitch to them will suffer the same fate. They will be perceived to be inferior because they are associated with a company that is KNOWN to be unscrupulous.
The reality is that SOE is not the brand of this game ... please read the press releases, its so clear, they are merely the conduit to putting the game on the shelves. From your logic I am guessing that you wouldnt buy a product because its stocked by a store you dont like, although the product is fine ... odd
The name emblazoned on the box will INDEED be SOE. They are handling the distribution. Glad partnering to produce trashbags for Hefty but allowing Hefty to put their name on them does not make them Glad trashbags. They are Hefty. Even if they are superior Glad trashbags, they are tainted by the Hefty name. That is the way the world works. Guilty by association alone. Try to spin it any way you want, but consumers are not dumb.
By that statement you are saying consumers are dumb......... extremelly dumb in fact. If they cant take the time to find out facts before they buy something then that is extreme stupidity. You just did a great example of pointing out consumer ignorance and stupidity..... WAY TO GO ! lol
Originally posted by akevv Originally posted by TettersOriginally posted by akevv Originally posted by wormywyrm So what you are all saying is, it doesnt matter if a game is good or bad and if the developers of the game are good or bad, if the game has any ties to SoE then you are going to do everything you can to make it look poor and to bring it crashing down?
If your friend was going to buy Hefty trashbags, but you knew the brand to be more expensive and break more often than an alternative, would you not tell them? This is all it comes down to. SOE is an inferior brand run by people who do not respect the time and investments of their customers. They are toast and will NEVER change their reputation. Anyone that ties their hitch to them will suffer the same fate. They will be perceived to be inferior because they are associated with a company that is KNOWN to be unscrupulous.
The reality is that SOE is not the brand of this game ... please read the press releases, its so clear, they are merely the conduit to putting the game on the shelves. From your logic I am guessing that you wouldnt buy a product because its stocked by a store you dont like, although the product is fine ... odd
The name emblazoned on the box will INDEED be SOE. They are handling the distribution. Glad partnering to produce trashbags for Hefty but allowing Hefty to put their name on them does not make them Glad trashbags. They are Hefty. Even if they are superior Glad trashbags, they are tainted by the Hefty name. That is the way the world works. Guilty by association alone. Try to spin it any way you want, but consumers are not dumb.
By that statement you are saying consumers are dumb......... extremelly dumb in fact. If they cant take the time to find out facts before they buy something then that is extreme stupidity. You just did a great example of pointing out consumer ignorance and stupidity..... WAY TO GO ! lol
Not at all the way you are trying to make it out. The name on the box is what matters. If you were over 18 and shopping with your own money, then you would understand. Folks buy what stands up and provides value. If Glad were dumb enough to allow their superior bags to be put into a Hefty box, then they will not sell. This is not because consumers are dumb, it is because they know what brands they prefer, based on prior experiences. Hefty on the box= unsold trashbags no matter what's inside the box. Glad on the box= sold trashbags because they provided value in the past.
If you don't know this basic rule, then you should probably go work for Flying Labs as they are about to learn it the hard way...
Buying a product based on the name alone is customer stupidity if you ask me. Just because a product has been great in the past doesnt meen its gonna be 100% great every time, and it would be silly to think so,but Just because a product has been horribley designed/made in the past doesnt meen its gonna be 100% horribley designed/made every time. It all comes down to research of product by the consumer them selves. I will be sure to look at POTBS befor i buy it and make sure its solid but just because SoE in the past has made bad deccions i will not stop mysefl from enjoying a game
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You know, i would have loved to play vanguards to give it a go, it sounded like it had a lot going for it. The same could be said about PotBS, but i just cant rightly justify paying into a game knowing that $OE holds the plug to it. You can tell someone all you want that that extension cord is yours and you control everything about it... but if they control that outlet your cord wont do shit... and dont think for a moment that $OE wont abuse that power.
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Oh well, I had such high hopes for FLying Labs and their Pirates of the Burning Sea and now it's been doomed to fail. I'm not sure what's worse, SOE being a part of it or Flying Labs making SOE a part of it.
Brand recognition is key here kids. It's equal to buying a bad pair of shoes thay blisters your feet then never purchasing another pair from said company due to the displeasure. SOE is much worse with a sinle word summing up their directives, LIARS. The lies cast by SOE, its president and their staff or horrendous. They have repeatedly proved they have absolutely no regard for consumers of the products.
I will never spend a cent on an SOE product regarldess of how much, or how little, they've got their tendrils into it; same with Lucas Arts. They proved to me, and many many others, that I have no face other then a greenback. The market it ruch with MMO's and there's even a few good MMORPG's stil out there. While the genre grows and continues to develop I'll possess a multitude of options to share with others on how to better enjoy thier online expeirances.
I will not hesitate to express and share my distaste with a business such as theirs and if I can turn away 10 people from their products it'll be 10 people who'll be happier elsewhere.
Good bye Pirtates of the Burning Sea. Good bye Flying Labs.
The real problem POTBS has here is not SWG, but Vanguard. The exact same thing happened with Vanguard -- announcing SOE as 'publisher' but saying 'they will not be involved' -- followed a few months after launch by SOE taking it over. This was exactly what the fans/players feared would happen (that SOE would take over) and it is exactly what did happen. So the question is, why shoudl anyone believe Flying Labs and SOE now, given what happened with Vanguard?
Yes, they are two different cases, but once bitten, twice shy, and all that... gamers have long memories, and the SOE/Vanguard thing just happened in any case. I doubt that most people actually believe the "SOE will not be involved in development" line at all now (not that most of us did the first time around). It's no longer believable.
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Well, love them or hate them, SOE is pretty smart at marketing. This is a good way for them to get their hands on some extra cash.
Though this also means that if the game flops, Sony will, just as with Vangaurd, start to move more aggressively, demanding a return on their investment.
I will play and let time time. More power to FLS
And to all indy Devs.
I will also play WAR and Might play AOC TR is way off my list (lol youll see)
I think this SoE hate is getting out of hands.
But let's not forget that the Publishing Platform is nothing near the same deal SoE had with Vanguard.
SoE's PP is almost a parallel service, it truly guarantee only billing and marketing for PotBS NOTHING ELSE !!!
How bad can it be?
god i hope not... i cant take anymore orcs bashing elves and vice versa
SOE being involved will prevent a number of folks from even trying this game (I'm one of them). If the game does poorly, everyone in the gaming media will scapegoat the game's backdrop as the reason. I was very interested in PotBS, until I realized SOE was the publisher they were negotiating with when they announced the launch delay. The SOE partnership will definitely scare away potential players, especially with what happened with Vanguard (the whole "SOE will have nothing to do with development" retort was pretty well crushed by the Vanguard fiasco).
The fact that Galaxies didn't achieve the million subscriptions that were being predicted have been attributed to it not being a fantasy game, as well as being a sandbox game. Nobody, aside from some of us former players, brings up the fact that glaringly obvious things needed fixed and were ignored, while things that the players didn't want were worked on instead.
I will predict that PotBS will, at the most, be a marginal success, and the fact that it isn't a fantasy game will be blamed. That is unless it is released as a buggy piece of crap, then the fact that it is a buggy piece of crap will be rightly blamed.
Yeah, VG failed cause of Sigil my lil friend and if you think SOE managed to screw the game up 6 months before it launched, think again. Sigil was Brad's lil EQ2 baby and I seriously think you must be out of your mind if you think SOE totally revamped and destroyed an MMO in 6 months. I seriously feel pity for people like you who are so paranoid about something that they make stuff up to make their world a real place.
They have done it before. A mere six months separated the CU from the NGE so yes SOE has revamped a game, and then destroyed it in a mere six months. If you look at the NGE as a single event then they revamped and destroyed an MMO the minute they loaded the nge into the servers despite an almost united voice screaming NO!
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Yeah before you know it they will release the NPE or New Pirate Enhancements to make the game more Piratey!
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What do you think this forum is for? Its certainly not the lets talk about SOE, and the fluffy rainbow land coalition. It is a refuge for the fans they scorned by releasing the abomination that wreckied the paying fans game play experience.
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This is the most resonable and well thought out reason to dislike SOE. Anything other than it seems a bit petty but even players of the NGE can agree that this was the big goof on their part. I for one, may give PotBS a try even though SOE will have a hand in it jsut because im not afraid of SOE and if the game is fun then so be it. TO fully boycott LA and SOE would take a greater effort than it really would ever be worth. That includes ILM which makes some of the greatest effects out there. Sony has their hand in everything and I just dont care enough to read packages all day.
For those of you who dont know much about PotBS, heres an overview:
http://www.whitewolfclan.net/pobs/review.htm
There are some things SWG vets will definitely like about PotBS, but mostly I think it will be the community, as PotBS has some really friendly and intelligent players (maybe due to its indie origins, historical motif, its focus on economy and market, and its complex user submitted content system) and amazing developers who communicate very well.
To those of you who are already formulating ideas that PotBS is crummy, even if you play it, think before you bash PotBS. Just because its distributed by SoE doesnt mean hurting PotBS will somehow bring down SoE... So I dunno... Can we try to recognize when we are biased and keep our mouths shut?
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No... just willing to hurt $OE and those who sleep in their bed.
Really.. how is my loathing for $OE hurting you in any way? It isn't. Thanks for the concern.
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It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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Really.. how is my loathing for $OE hurting you in any way? It isn't. Thanks for the concern.
The day John Smedley is fired (inevitable soon as their new games flop) I plan to throw a big party. Smed is a pathological liar (documented by his outright lies from the SWG oforums, such as "The CU is here to stay" posted less than 4 months before the NGE), and is in my opinion unethical and untrustworthy. By association, so are those who work for him.
Those of us who feel wronged by SOE, don't really care if PotBS is a great game or not. The point is, SOE took a bite of it, and it is now poison. We've seen this in the past, and when they get their hands on it, they corrupt it. It has gone from being a foregone conclusion that SOE will ruin a game, to not even an issue - simply the fact that they have anything to do with it pushes us away. For those who can stomach playing a game that SOE is involved in, you will base the game on its own merits, and that's your decision. For some of us, it's a non-starter - SOE touched it, therefore it's unclean, regardless of the quality of the game itself. Sony as a whole will never get another dime of my money.
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Umm, if I get burned by a company, I make sure to tell friends not to buy from them. If you were a true friend, you would tell them of your experience before they too ended up with a piece of junk.
So it will always be with SOE. I will FOREVER tell anyone and everyone who might be interested in online gaming not to waste their time with an SOE product. They are an untrustworthy company that nullified my investment of time and real money on a hobby that I believed to be as stable as anyone else's MMORPG. They will NEVER undo what they have done.
SOE is not to be trusted and so Pirates is condemned to their fate. They know SOE's reputation with their customers and they decided to go forward anyway. Too bad for them.
Akevv Ostone
No Longer SWG Free
I'd been mixed about it.
I think it would be a good thing if Pirates flops on release after this announcement because then it would start to indicate the trend that might kill off SOE publishing efforts. Outside of EQ and SWG, they haven't had a blockbuster MMO IP in their midst. Compared to WoW, for example, station pass seems like a B-list of games.
SOE publishing is just a bad, bad idea. There's too much conflict of interest involved for station pass, especially if subs are counted against each other (which they probably are, but not publicly, where we only get to see -- at best -- the total subs). They have every reason to heavily promote internal churn toward SOE produced games, because it benefits the parent company directly. Furthermore if companies tank on their own, then SOE has (almost certainly) first dibs on the buyout for the IP and, in essence, buying work with no production costs.
There's no reason for all these IPs to risk so many sales (and they know they're risking or killing total sales if they're making press comments trying to resolve flames with SOE) because of mistakes that SOE made with their IPs. I'd much prefer to see an independent marking service, completely neutral to development, spring up to cater to the needs of MMO development companies.
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So what you are all saying is, it doesnt matter if a game is good or bad and if the developers of the game are good or bad, if the game has any ties to SoE then you are going to do everything you can to make it look poor and to bring it crashing down?
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I don't want to "bring it down," but I will always share my own bad experience with SOE with others to make them aware of them. It's impossible for me to suddenly 'hate' a game I've looked forward to for two years even if I cannot play it now due to the SOE deal but I will not give one red cent to Smedley's coffers. Not now or ever.
Well I hate SOE with a passion but.. WHY OH WHY! did it have to be PotBS...
I'll probably still end up buying it to try, but any sign of things getting fishy and i'm out of there.
If your friend was going to buy Hefty trashbags, but you knew the brand to be more expensive and break more often than an alternative, would you not tell them? This is all it comes down to. SOE is an inferior brand run by people who do not respect the time and investments of their customers. They are toast and will NEVER change their reputation. Anyone that ties their hitch to them will suffer the same fate. They will be perceived to be inferior because they are associated with a company that is KNOWN to be unscrupulous.
Akevv Ostone
No Longer SWG Free
The reality is that SOE is not the brand of this game ... please read the press releases, its so clear, they are merely the conduit to putting the game on the shelves. From your logic I am guessing that you wouldnt buy a product because its stocked by a store you dont like, although the product is fine ... odd
The reality is that SOE is not the brand of this game ... please read the press releases, its so clear, they are merely the conduit to putting the game on the shelves. From your logic I am guessing that you wouldnt buy a product because its stocked by a store you dont like, although the product is fine ... odd
The name emblazoned on the box will INDEED be SOE. They are handling the distribution. Glad partnering to produce trashbags for Hefty but allowing Hefty to put their name on them does not make them Glad trashbags. They are Hefty. Even if they are superior Glad trashbags, they are tainted by the Hefty name. That is the way the world works. Guilty by association alone. Try to spin it any way you want, but consumers are not dumb.
Akevv Ostone
No Longer SWG Free
The reality is that SOE is not the brand of this game ... please read the press releases, its so clear, they are merely the conduit to putting the game on the shelves. From your logic I am guessing that you wouldnt buy a product because its stocked by a store you dont like, although the product is fine ... odd
The name emblazoned on the box will INDEED be SOE. They are handling the distribution. Glad partnering to produce trashbags for Hefty but allowing Hefty to put their name on them does not make them Glad trashbags. They are Hefty. Even if they are superior Glad trashbags, they are tainted by the Hefty name. That is the way the world works. Guilty by association alone. Try to spin it any way you want, but consumers are not dumb.
By that statement you are saying consumers are dumb......... extremelly dumb in fact. If they cant take the time to find out facts before they buy something then that is extreme stupidity. You just did a great example of pointing out consumer ignorance and stupidity..... WAY TO GO ! lol
The reality is that SOE is not the brand of this game ... please read the press releases, its so clear, they are merely the conduit to putting the game on the shelves. From your logic I am guessing that you wouldnt buy a product because its stocked by a store you dont like, although the product is fine ... odd
The name emblazoned on the box will INDEED be SOE. They are handling the distribution. Glad partnering to produce trashbags for Hefty but allowing Hefty to put their name on them does not make them Glad trashbags. They are Hefty. Even if they are superior Glad trashbags, they are tainted by the Hefty name. That is the way the world works. Guilty by association alone. Try to spin it any way you want, but consumers are not dumb.
By that statement you are saying consumers are dumb......... extremelly dumb in fact. If they cant take the time to find out facts before they buy something then that is extreme stupidity. You just did a great example of pointing out consumer ignorance and stupidity..... WAY TO GO ! lol
Not at all the way you are trying to make it out. The name on the box is what matters. If you were over 18 and shopping with your own money, then you would understand. Folks buy what stands up and provides value. If Glad were dumb enough to allow their superior bags to be put into a Hefty box, then they will not sell. This is not because consumers are dumb, it is because they know what brands they prefer, based on prior experiences. Hefty on the box= unsold trashbags no matter what's inside the box. Glad on the box= sold trashbags because they provided value in the past.
If you don't know this basic rule, then you should probably go work for Flying Labs as they are about to learn it the hard way...
Akevv Ostone
No Longer SWG Free
Buying a product based on the name alone is customer stupidity if you ask me. Just because a product has been great in the past doesnt meen its gonna be 100% great every time, and it would be silly to think so,but Just because a product has been horribley designed/made in the past doesnt meen its gonna be 100% horribley designed/made every time. It all comes down to research of product by the consumer them selves. I will be sure to look at POTBS befor i buy it and make sure its solid but just because SoE in the past has made bad deccions i will not stop mysefl from enjoying a game