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For awhile now my friends and I have been looking for a new game other than WoW. WoW is a great game, however, once we reached 70 we were not satisified with just raiding as an end game. So, a few of us bought Lineage 2 and have settled on the Bartz server. Basically, if we approve of the game the rest will come. =pI am a bit worried since the only populations that said "heavy" were the two European servers. Does Bartz have a lot of players, possibly more? My friends and I do not really have a problem with the grind, and we can basically have our own group since we have a lot of people and a lot of classes. I would like to know if this game is actually worth investing the time into, or is it too late? Right now, we bought the game for $20 and were suprised to see that it not only came with a free month but an extra 15 day time card so that we did not have to use the extra game cards we had bought to play. So right now, I would really like to know if it is worth continuing to level 70+ or if it is better to invest our time into another game. Are we too far behind, or is it possible to catch up? I do not mind farmers and botters in a game, however I do not want to play a game where there are no players. Are there lots of players and are there new people coming to the game? Or is the game dying? Also, is it possible to do well as a legit player? The other game we are looking at is Everquest II, so if anyone knows anything about that, we would appreciate the feedback.
Also, can anyone tell me a little bit about the "swordsinger" class? I think it looks really cool, but I don't want to play a class where I can't solo. Is it possible to be a swordsinger and use a bow at times, and a sword at others? What is a good solo class? Also, some people in game told me if I make a "damage - caster type class" that I will need to have a class to "recharge" my mana. Something like that. Is that true?
Also, on Bartz how are the castle sieges? I have heard that on Teon server there can be 500 v 500 players. Is this also true for the Bartz server?
Any help / tips is appreciated. 
P.S.
I heard that a guild called Uprising quit. Is this going to be good or bad for the server and the game?
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Hi there,
Lineage 2 is a great Game, if u can stand the grind...
I myself played Lineage for a long time.
Getting to level 70+ is very, very hard! But to compete in Sieges u need to be at least 60+...
I am waiting for Aion, NCSoft 2! Yea, i think its a bit too late to start with Lineage 2...
Greets
Xuul
I played L2 for a long time, its pretty fun if you have friends to play with. i played on the erica server so i cant tell you much about bartz. and the Sword Singer (like the dark elven Blade Dancer) is a group buffing class that wont get any real bonuses from using a ranged weapon, best to go with a sword or a dagger for the higher crit rate at higher levels.
If you were going for a solo class i would probably say a human sorc or dark elven caster, they do get a muge benifit from the dark elven shillen elder as they have a buff that increases magic dmg by something like 3x and they can recharge your mana. but lineage isnt really a solo game, too slow and too much downtime. hope this helped
"You'll be in hell, before me"-Mitsurugi
Of the non-european servers, Bartz has the most people. I would also agree that its too late to start, but who knows, you might have tons of fun.
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i woulden't recommend starting up, all the server's are filled with farmer's and player's who bot since NCsoft refues to address the botting problem, witch isen't really possiebel either when more then 50% off the population uses bot's
the server's you see that are Heavy are only like that cause off farmer's since they almost every where, from low lvl's to high lvl's farmning math's...
i guess it's hard to know who to belive when people say they don't ban bots and when other's claim they do, but look at the support we get the update's 5 or more month's later, not to mention Korean's has had server, gender, character account transfear's for month's but we don't have em, and probly never will...
they's also better event's for the Korean and here in the NA they tell us that we never get such event's
if you and your friend's aren't going to bot don't bother the game will just get to much on your nerves then.
Also, can anyone tell me a little bit about the "swordsinger"
anyway the Swordsinger is a Support class, witch can't solo well without buff's, but almost no classes can really do that, they need either Prohpet, Shillen Elder or Warcryer buff's mostly.
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you get theese 2 good song's at 49 Song off Hunter (increases player's critical attack) and Song of Earth (increases player's p.def) before you get to 49 people don't really want to party you and thoes 2 song's are the only low lvled ones that are really good for pve, so mostly you use em (never passed 60 on my own sws so i don't know about the high lvls) Song of Hunter does however make people love you
bow's arent that good since it cost you mana and you already spending enof keeping up your song's with a bladedancer and it's even worse in pvp cause you wont have the 900 range as Archer's have.
So yere you can use it, but it's not worth it
if you prefear a dual class then go with the Bladedancer it's more offensive while the Swordsinger has mostly defensive song's
- caster type class" that I will need to have a class to "recharge" my mana
the 2 classes with recharge are Elven Elder, and Shillen Elder, and you most likley need a Shillen Elder on a second account if you wan't a nuker since it has empower witch makes your nukes hurt more...
without Empower and useing spirtshout's you lose adena's at some lvls when you hunt, and you run out off mana in second's forcing you to sit for a long time
heard that a guild called Uprising quit. Is this going to be good or bad for the server and the game?
i think it's bad but i woulden't know
Id say avoid It untill something else comes out. But If you guys are really bored with WOW, then who knows. Personally id wait for something on the horizon rather than jump into this. And If you were planning on another game coming up soon, you would have gotten no where in Lineage 2 by the time it comes out.
But like I said, if your bored and not having fun...go for it.
Hmm well since you 're saying that you guys are looking for a better end game than WoW I'd say L2 is a good choice then. Although it is very very hard to get to the end game, but you also claim that you guys can handle it. As long as you are in groups this game is a lot of fun. And yes, I think you can make it to lvl 40 in about a month, then another 2 months for lvl 60.. depending on your hours of spare time per day. When you reach those levels the game gets a lot more fun but Bartz is an old server allready
. Euro servers are a little more crowded.
The community of this game isn't increasing, but dying ain' t the right word either...
As for classes; Swordsinger is a perfect class if you don't want to solo, although they are not pvp gods. Yep they can use bows (every char can) but they don't have a big range, and don't inflict much damage, although they do have a lot of critical hits (especially when you are over 52 i believe, you will get a song for a higher crit ratio at that time), which balances it a bit. Swordsingers mainly fight with one sword and a shield..that' s where you get weapon mastery' s for..
A spellcaster like a Spellsinger (light elf nukers) will need a recharger if you want fast exp. They burn mana very fast.
I hope this post helped you a bit
. Best regards,
Renith
Ooh, nothing but joy in all these replies! LOL
Well, I will go against the norm and say that it's not too late to start.
Yes, if you were playing the same level 1-61 game that I played level 1-61, then it would definitely be too late to start. However, they have completely changed a lot of things in the lower levels - so now it's quite common for people to level to 61 (A-grade) in just 2-4 months as opposed to the 9-12 months it took us back in C1/C2 to hit 61. And really, by 61, you'll be able to participate in PVP and sieges. You won't necessarily win, but you'll be able to participate and have fun. From then on, you'll be part of the action. Once you hit 75, you'll be right up there with everyone else. (Subclassing will take more time, of course, but it's not necessary to be noble/hero in order to pvp/siege.)
And yes, it is possible to play this game legit - many people do (including me). One advantage you actually have over older legit players (like myself) is the shadow weapons. Rather than having to buy expensive new weapons every level grade, you're able to buy shadow weapons - which work just like real weapons but eventually fade away. By doing that, you can save money to buy A-grade. (I have heard of new players coming in and leveling all the way up into their 50s and low 60s on just shadow weapon coupons. Never done it myself of course, but that's what I've heard.)
Really, I've lost track of all the new stuff they've implemented to help new players catch up quickly (newbie buffs, clan academies, herbs, etc.). It really seems to be working, because I see casual players in their 40s and 50s after just a month in the game. If you are a hardcore player and play 25+ hours a week, I really think level 61 in 2 months would be very doable, especially with a whole group of friends. (Make sure you check into clan academies - even if you decide to start a clan with your friends from WoW - it would be a great opportunity not just to advance your individual characters, but also to start making allies in the game at an early level.)
And just a little note about classes: Most wizard types (Sorcerer, Spell Howler, Spellsinger) need an Shillien Elder to recharge them and give them the all-important buff Empower (THE most important buff for wizard types.) Elven Elders are actually better rechargers but don't have empower (they do have clarity and wild magic though - both great buffs for wizards.)
If you are bringing a group of friends over - your best bet would be for one person to buy (or several of you share, if you trust each other) an extra account to make a prophet. NO ONE is going to want to play a prophet as their main and whoever makes that class will wind up unhappy and reroll. But unfortunately, prophets are necessary. The best healer/buffer type characters to actually play are Bishops and Elven Elders. Neither one can solo, but they are fun classes to play and you will need them if you want to pvp later on.
Anyway, just try it out for yourself, especially if you've already bought the game! It's a great game to play. Good luck!
I'm finding nothing but joy in your reply as well. Its like.. the same as mine
I will probably play Lineage 2 in one of the upcoming weeks, so i don't know (maybe) if more players on the forum start with Lineage 2. Why don't we all start together. So we have our own little clan/guild, and the economy will be easier. Just an idea. Since it would be a waste to see this game untouched for me. Since the game style really attracts me, and probably more.
isnt there a lineage 3 coming out soon so i think there is no point of getting it or u can get aion there both pretty good mmorpgs that are in development.
u can still play i would be a Abyss Walker cause there attack is high and plus they look kool
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If you are going to 2box a buffer then go with a Shilen Elder or Warcryer, not a Prophet (unless you are an archer). Prophet buffs are a luxory not a necessity. The only PVE buff Prophets get that you can't get from a SE or WC (edit: or potions) is Zerk, and that buff is arguably stupid now.
I say this because Vampiric Rage (or Chant of Vampire) is indispensible for melee types, and Empower/Recharges are indispensible for nukers. Elven Elders get Recharge too but Empower > Clarity.
If you are a melee class, 2box a WC.
If you are a nuker, 2box a SE.
If you are an archer, 2box either a Prophet or a WC. A Prophet is marginally better until Warcryers get Chant of Victory at lv78. And at that point it is no contest, COVictory > all.
As for the SWS question, it depends. Use a melee weapon for PVE and a bow for PVP. If you can't afford both, just use a melee weapon. As for which melee weapon to use, that really depends on the situation. What level you are, what grade you're using, what buffers you have. Go to http://www.l2guru.com/l2calc and figure it out yourself. But i can tell you (from experience) that you don't want to use a bow to level an SWS unless you ONLY party with archers.
Wow, after a few days of this game we have decided to quit, and I feel like I completely wasted my money. Fortunately, I only spent $20. In a few days we got to lvl 24 and tried to form a group for the necropolis of sacrifice. We spent about 3hours trying to get anyone for our group. Finally, we took what we have and tried to find a room in the necro. Then, a little dwarf runs into the room with like 12 guys on her. We try to help her, and we end up dying... Lineage 2 seems like a game with lots of potential, but we could find barely any players and the lower levels are filled with botters. In this game, the economy is terrible. We were having trouble trying to get a 16k weapon and then we get this token that sends us to giran. Things there are going for 30 million adena. I know lots of people are going to say we warned you. Now, I understand why. My warning to all other players considering this game, STAY OUT!
I have a better idea. Read the reviews and know what you are getting into.
You were "trained". Someone wanted you out of there and they "trained" you. this is common. It's part of the game being an "open pvp" game.
The problem is, all these players are entering L2 expecting some sort of amusement park mmo experience like EQ2 and WoW. That is not what this game is about.
This game is solely about pvp relationships.
But people seem to not want to hear this and they are "looking for fun groups" and "Great Quests". Then when they don't get what they want, they bad mouth the game based upon erroneous assumptions.
Players join clans and alliances for groups. This is not to say that you won't find a group out of clan but if you only understood "why" then you would understand the game.
Especially when players used to drop items on death. If you drop your really expensive "sword of uber death" then you only want people in your party that you know and trust. Sometimes this does extend out of clan but what it boils down to is that you need to find people you trust.
What about the people who used to join raids only to pick up the dropped items from players who died? And scamming is allowed in this game.
I'm not saying this is "great" and that you should love it. And yes I am sorry you feel that you wasted your money. But you clearly did not go into the game with the idea that the developers "wanted to create a brutal world" with brutal rules where people have to band together with like minded players in order to be successful.
Heck, when I first tried this game 3 years ago I had read all the reviews and truly knew what I was getting into. So being pk'ed by characters 20 lvls above me was no big deal. And I knew better than to fall for scams and "tricks" to part you with your money.
And what about when high lvl players would go to the human starting area of Talking Island and camp out new players on all sides of the town. "This" is the game. It is what it is. For a player who is looking for a hard, brutal world, you will find it here.
So my advice is for people who want this type of game to seek out L2. But read the reviews first. And if you don't want this type of gameplay (and quite frankly "of course" I can understand why) then seek out other games that offer what you are looking for.
Players need to listen up and stop trying to make this game into something it's not and accept what it is. Even with its issues aside.
Hardcore, brutal world. You will get trained, scammed, pk'ed over and over again (though this happens less and less now), get into clan wars that might threaten your alliance's staying power, get run out of hunting areas, and be kept out of hunting areas.
Brutal world, brutal game. Sorry for the rant but fair is fair. Know what you are getting into and you won't be posting that you had a horribe time of it.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Sovrath, that was one of the best descriptions of the game
. The game is especially rough at the beginning since not as many players but once you get to around high lvls 20s (you were close), go to Dion and you will see a lot of players to form groups. As for your money problems, play the market. I have to do that a lot just to get by as well, I have sat in Giran for weeks before trying to get money after breaking when enchanting. I right now am going to buy Green seal stones for around 10-11 adena each and then convert to Ancient Adena which I can sell for 3 adena each, a long process especially during the week you cannot turn anything in but only way right now for me to make money.
I end up getting later on as well a lot, but this game always brings me back in knowing that I have a lot of freedom and when you do pvp someone and win, that feeling is amazing.
. I have quit and rejoined probably over 10+ times already.
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Thanks man, I appreciate that.
And interesting enough, even though I had cancelled my accounts, I just resubbed my main account with the idea that I am just going to concentrate on making money for a few months as S grade is extremely expensive! I had to actually take a step back and realize that at 77+ you just need to make decisions if you don't have all day to play. Mine is that I have to become casual and make money before I can level again.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
He didn't get trained... Catacombs/Necros are home to AOE parties out the ass, pretty much everyone who goes there either AOEs or bots. Dwarfs especially since they have polearm mastery.
I have a better idea. Read the reviews and know what you are getting into.
You were "trained". Someone wanted you out of there and they "trained" you. this is common. It's part of the game being an "open pvp" game.
probly, but i diden know it should be part off the game to be trained bye farmer's, cool
The problem is, all these players are entering L2 expecting some sort of amusement park mmo experience like EQ2 and WoW. That is not what this game is about.
i guess they expecting to meet people to talk to and have fun with, but when everyone is botting to 76+ how is that possiebel?
This game is solely about pvp relationships.
But people seem to not want to hear this and they are "looking for fun groups" and "Great Quests". Then when they don't get what they want, they bad mouth the game based upon erroneous assumptions.
it was made as a pve game, the pvp is pretty broken when lots off classes can 1 shoot equal lvled classes, great pvp game
Players join clans and alliances for groups. This is not to say that you won't find a group out of clan but if you only understood "why" then you would understand the game.
as a acadamy the lvl 1 to 40 lvl's you rearly find other people in the clan to group with, they's a max off 20 low lvled people in each clan + 2 other clan's for a alliance that's 60 people, but mostly acadamy's are filled with people's alternative witch they rarly play...
over thoes lvl's it get's esaier but still pretty hard to find groups
Especially when players used to drop items on death. If you drop your really expensive "sword of uber death" then you only want people in your party that you know and trust. Sometimes this does extend out of clan but what it boils down to is that you need to find people you trust.
why do you even mention that?
What about the people who used to join raids only to pick up the dropped items from players who died? And scamming is allowed in this game.
im pretty sure it's not or it hasen't been like that alway's but im to lazy to read the eula
I'm not saying this is "great" and that you should love it. And yes I am sorry you feel that you wasted your money. But you clearly did not go into the game with the idea that the developers "wanted to create a brutal world" with brutal rules where people have to band together with like minded players in order to be successful.
ehm read his post again, he was complaigning most about the lack off people and bot's
Heck, when I first tried this game 3 years ago I had read all the reviews and truly knew what I was getting into. So being pk'ed by characters 20 lvls above me was no big deal. And I knew better than to fall for scams and "tricks" to part you with your money.
good for you
And what about when high lvl players would go to the human starting area of Talking Island and camp out new players on all sides of the town. "This" is the game. It is what it is. For a player who is looking for a hard, brutal world, you will find it here.
So my advice is for people who want this type of game to seek out L2. But read the reviews first. And if you don't want this type of gameplay (and quite frankly "of course" I can understand why) then seek out other games that offer what you are looking for.
Players need to listen up and stop trying to make this game into something it's not and accept what it is. Even with its issues aside.
Hardcore, brutal world. You will get trained, scammed, pk'ed over and over again (though this happens less and less now), get into clan wars that might threaten your alliance's staying power, get run out of hunting areas, and be kept out of hunting areas.
Brutal world, brutal game. Sorry for the rant but fair is fair. Know what you are getting into and you won't be posting that you had a horribe time of it.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Then time for a new job no?
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Seriously lol, there are still people in Dion though
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Currently Playing:
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i liked Lineage2, i still like it but im not playing anymore, because almost everyone start's to bot when NCsoft dosen't do anything about it...
and yere it might be odd i recommend people to bot when botter's made me quit, but i loved the game, it was a good game but when the company behind it refuses to do anything you just can't save it
p.s damn green is hard to read...
Then time for a new job no?
yere i get a new job in 3 months and 1 week
yep but it's not at all easy to find groups