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Anofalye
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What about having a server where all the other faction is unplayable?
EDIT: I wasn't going to ask for these, but since the best loot is by raiding the enemy capital only...now if we can work around raiding as well...
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
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So...
This is a joke, right?
Wouldn't work. It goes against the game's design since a large focus of the game is capturing objectives and earning victory points for you side and the game becomes very, very PvP focused in the late stages.
If you don't want PvP, then either go around those sections in WAR (devs claim it's doable) or find a PvE-centric MMO, such as Tabula Rasa.
No, this is not a joke.
If the caputure-points are unguarded, it isn't ideal, but work for me.
If PvE games have PvP servers, a PvP game should at least consider having a PvE server.
I am not going to buy the game as long as PvP give better rewards then PvE to fight PvE mobs, and I am adamant on this. I wouldn't mind trying the PvP, but if it is enforced from the get go, wouldn't even bother with the game.
DAoC has Gaheris after all...now if DAoC could have a Gaheris version of pre-ToA...but no...of course not...the devs didn't do that...would have been too popular and bring them too many players.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
-Paul at Gamesday Baltimore
The real answer is more nuanced, but given your response this should be good enough.
Which is exactly what the game is doing atm, by giving best reward by razing the enemy capital.
As to sending players away...the PvE market is HUGE. If you are a female or over 35, don't play WAR (slight exageration, but not much). Not asking for much. Not asking for any change in the design or whatever, just asking to be FREE from PvP, totally, if I feel unsafe to PvP.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
I won't lie...when I read this, I laughed so hard that I peed a little bit (in my pants). Seriously. If you want to go pick flowers and make pants, go play another game. It's not you being adamant about how you wont play the game because it has no PvE, it's the game designers being adamant about keeping you OUT of their game by intentionally making PvE secondary.
PvE is not the point of WAR. They toss it in there early on so that you can wrap your mind around the gameplay and whatnot, and then slowly phase it out as you gain experience and move on to new areas. I don't know how many times it has to be said, but i'll say it again just to add to the tally hoping that it will eventually hit the magic number...
If you don't like PvP, don't play Warhammer Online.
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The above post is purely my opinion. If you disagree, that's your right. However, don't be an ass about it.
not trying to sound like a dick head, but if you dont want to pvp then dont play this game. they have said that hundreds of times. this game is based on pvp, and the way you get to a capitol city is by PVP'ing...dont play if you dont want to pvp. i read these forums all the time and i usually dont post but im getting mad at people saying the dumbest things ive ever heard. dont like pvp then dont post here and dont try the game. get it through your heads. it makes me upset at how dumb some of the MMO community is.
also so what you are telling me is that you have polled ALL women and ALL people over 35 and they ALL said they dont want to play pvp. i will put money that most females and people over 35 would like to relieve the stresses from work and kids and just kick the crap out of a little dwarf or burn a chaos chosen as a bright wizard( but we know that wont happen cuz chosen are obviously dominant
). go away PLEASE!
Why are you rude? Why are you telling me to go away?
What would it change in your life if I play on a server where the other faction is unplayable and we get automatic PvE victory? It isn't much work from the devs.
And as to say if I should like it or not, I remember some PvP fans telling EQ staff to let's them be judge of that, and just give them the freaking server so they can PvP. So what is the problem to just give a server so we can PvE to our heart content?
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
it would ruin the entire dynamic of the game. the WHOLE game is based off war of the two factions. how can you have war if you cant fight each other? open area pvp is a key part to the game and it is a key part in winning your tier and eventually leading to the capture of the capitol city.
also if you are calling me rude because i told you to go away because warhammer is about pvp then you are calling paul barnett rude at the same time. im just tired of people flaming the game because its not what they want. if its not what you want go away and play the game that you do want and let the people that DO want this game have it. plain and simple.
There is a reason daoc's pve only server never got high population. I don't think it has ever top'ed off a population of any other server (or cluster nowdays) Daoc has a fun pve, but because it's based for a pvp game, there are no carrot on a stick for pve, there aren't any grind for a year for your reward time sinks in daoc. You could get your ml10, along with all the artifacts and what not in a months or two, sure you could keep grinding rps by taking keeps from mobs, or w/e it was, but more people were interested in fighting players than mobs for rps.
Anyway, you can still only pve in war, you'll miss a large part of the game, and would likely be better off playing another game (imo, people playing on gaheris would of been better off playing something else too) but you can certanly do it. Also, daoc was owned by mythic, so they could do what they wanted, pvp servers, pve servers, atlantis for an expansion.. warhammer is owned by game's workshop, so mythic can only do what gw allows them to do. And given warhammer's setting it's pretty hard to see a server that let's chaos classes group with empire or orcs with dwarfs. So, chances are it won't happen.
PS: war doesn't have pvp servers (ffa pvp) war is what it is, take it or leave it.
It is me that want to play on that PvE server. I can live with easy mode, even if it is not ideal. I may actually love the game a lot. The fact that some redneck PvPers tells me it would ruins the game...ruins it for who? For me? I don't think so. For you? You ain't even playing on these servers...
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Which is exactly what the game is doing atm, by giving best reward by razing the enemy capital.
As to sending players away...the PvE market is HUGE. If you are a female or over 35, don't play WAR (slight exageration, but not much). Not asking for much. Not asking for any change in the design or whatever, just asking to be FREE from PvP, totally, if I feel unsafe to PvP.
I'm glad they're giving the best reward by razing the enemy capital which I'm sure will have some PVE aspects tossed into it. Play WoW or some other PVE mmorpg there's no shortage of them around on the other hand there is a huge shortage on PVP mmorpg games so quit complaining the PVP community defiantly doesn't care in all honestly since not many seem to care about the lack of PVP games to choose from. Ideally PVP and PVE rewards and content would be equal and coexist, but the reality of it is that it doesn't work so well it's much the same as class balancing the best they can do usually is get relatively close rather than dead on the ball while still offering diversity.
SImply put, this isn't a game thats designed for PvE..period. Thousands of quests will be undoable because they require you to RVR. Heck, the main way you level IS through RVR. Basically, if they had a PVE server, you'd only have 20% of the content and be unable to progress more then likely. This game is meant for RVR, and their staying TRUE to that.
It'd be a total overhaul, and theres noway it'll be happen. Your being forced into PVP just like every other MMO forces you into PVE.
you called me a redneck. please check the bold italicized red word under your quote. not to mention that your grammar is horrible too. you are worthless. you really should leave before you make your self look more dumb than you already have.
They're rude because you're obviously missing the whole point of the game. It's built around PvP, unlike EQ. Therefore, they're telling you to go away for good reasons. They didn't need to be rude, but we fans get jumpy on these things, heh. In any case, you should read more about the game and see why such a thing isn't really possible. There's PvE games with PvP in it, say, like EQ and WoW. WAR is built the other way around, but instead of having a sloppy "addition", as those games did, it has a fully integrated and (apparently) well-crafted experience, both for PvP and PvE. The devs said you could PvE all your life if you wanted to, but it wouldn't be as fun as doing a little of PvE and a lot of PvP, which is what the game is geared towards to.
Also, consider that when you say "the other faction is unplayable", it's... well, it's vague and somewhat silly. In any case, I'll reiterate the important point of a couple replies in this thread, barring the agression:
As I've understood this, you have the option of not getting involved in PvP AT ALL. Yeah, that means "PvE'ing to your heart's content", like you said. The thing is, you'd never get "the full experience" of the game, only a part if not a small fraction of it. You can leave PvP out of your character development and it'll be fine, but you won't be able to grasp the game as a whole.
This, of course, isn't necessarily bad, and it shouldn't drive you away from a game which is trying to achieve a series of "middle points" in order to attract a gigantic audience of both those who like PvP and those who just love PvE (and everyone in between). After all, you could probably have a lot of fun just going off into the wilderness and killing monsters. "The full experience" is a subjective thing, and you shouldn't feel aggravated by someone like me telling you exactly that
, so, while what you said is a distinct impossiblity, you can still play the game your own way and possibly feel fulfilled by such experience. 
But I need access to FULL loot. I won't if I don't PvP.
I can understand that you don't want to screw your PvPers, so why can't I have my garden where I have access to FULL loot without ever PvPing? I want to play the PvE with FULL loot accessible without PvPing. Now, if the best loot is only by razing capital cities, we have a problem that must be resolve.
I won't be happy been subpar, been peasant or whatever. I need access to the full loot, inside PvE.
(I ignore the other as they are just rude)
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
tapeworm did put it in a better way and i am being rude because if you read this forum its full of people who just hate on this game and its frustrating. but onto my point. have you watched any of the podcasts? have you read any of the interviews? my answer is you may have watched 1 or 2 and may have read probably fewer interviews. my point is that if you have watched these podcasts and read these interviews you would know that this game is FULL of PvE content. over 300 public quests. thats just the PUBLIC quests. not including your tome of knowledge and not including kill collectors or the chapters. as tapeworm said and paull barnett and hickman, you can get to level/rank 40 without ever stepping foot into a PvP scenario or PvP area. but where is the fun in that when the ENTIRE game is based off you killing the opposing faction for the better of your city and not to mention the rewards that you are going to get out of that. i think one of the coolest parts of the game is the looting of dead PC's. i dunno if other games have that but ive never seen it and i think its an awesome idea.
basically im saying take the time to look into something before you make a completely absurd statement.
This is problematic, it has to be resolve. The PvE part is appealing, but not when the PvEers can't be masters at it.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
This explains a lot more than you'd think! You should've stated this in your original post, as it is a valid point to which I find no real reason to disagree with, whether people love PvP or hate PvE.
Still, I'd like to further the argument a little by saying that if the people with the "best loot" stick to PvP, what's it to you, who would stick to a different dimension of the game? They won't be ganking you or meddling with your own effectivity as a player, so you won't exactly be subpar. And considering the huge amounts of people that play this game, there'll be those who can't go to city raids because of connection stability, and the million other reasons there can be to skip assitance to such events, so you won't be playing in a closed environment in which pretty much everyone else is superior; on the contrary, you'll probably find people in all kinds of situations. In the end, I don't believe you need to have full access to everything via PvE, in part because then there would be no "material" incentive to participate into Capital City raids. I kinda agree with you, but I have to put these things on the air if you want to get a good argument to support your statements.
warhammer is all about PVP. why do you think it is called WARhammer? if you dont like pvp this game is NOT for you. even the pve parts of the game contribute to the huge war thats goin on. if you want fun pve wait till conan comes out.
I fail to see much resemblances between rednecks and gamers regardless of pvp and pve can you provide some statistics to backup your redneck pvper claims?
I don't care what you say it's a waste of devs time to custom design servers catered to pve when no one in there right mind would buy a game called warhammer for pve. It's a bad idea both for the PVP and PVE community to just toss in a minor amount of it to suit the other fan base as it just ultimately leaves a lot of people more unsatisfied with the end result more than anything a good example of that is EQ and WoW pvp in both of those games was mediocre at the very best. Early UO seemed to be the only game where pve and pvp coexisted very well which was ruined in favor of trying to mimmick EQ to try and gain a larger subscriber base which I think backfired in the end on them.
I dunno, I've read all your posts in this thread, and it just seems that you have to be pulling our legs, right?
You can't seriously be saying that you have a right to play this game, and you have a right to play an all-pve version of it.
You have so many other choices, why would it be so hard for you to go play a game that caters to pve? What would appeal to you about this game that makes you want to play it, if not for the RVR combat? Its just another fantasy MMO, and Lord knows there's no shortage of them now or in the future.... go play one if you like
Games must be designed to satisfy a specific target market, they cannot serve more than one master. Mythic made many mistakes with DAOC, not the least was diverting resources to specialty servers, like Gaheris and Mordred. They should have focused on their core gameplay, and they'd be better off for it today....
Seriously, you are normally an intelligent poster, but this time...not so much....
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Alright, I'll put this nicely. The game isn't designed for PVE. They aren't going to re-design the loot tables for you. IT won't be resolved, so you misawell leave. They've already stated that if your not a PvPer, you should leave. Your hopes have already been crushed, nothing is going to change..as obviously in this thread, theres 3 pages of people who disagree with you.Good day, go enjoy the other hundred PVE-based MMO's.
Also your biggest argument for the game not being PvE is that the best loot is going to be from city raids, and not from raids. I have read other PvE threads you started and ones you’ve posted in.
I’m pretty sure the developers don’t want to turn this game into another grind to end game and then raid grind for gear.
PvE servers don’t seem feasible because PvP and PvE will be integrated together to form one game. PvE is going to add the depth and immersion to the PvP content and visa versa. The game would be broken without one or the other. And it’s not all about the loot.
IMO it seems you don’t know anything about this game nor care to learn it and are just here to troll for PVE in the only PvP centered game coming out.
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