Well, if it isn't my old compadre Zorgo or is it Mongo? Oh, well. Somehow I'd knew you come out the woodwork soon as you saw I had posted. Does it feel good to ya? Glad I could help liven your forum life son.
If you noticed in my op I said judging by the review I read on this websites home page. C'mon, take your time reading so you can take it all in. Who can deny the population in this game is virtually nil? I guess there are some who still will deny this but judging from reviews like the one here and by what many others have written as well as what magazine and gaming sites have you already know theres a skeleton crew in VG. And no, hell no I won't ever pay to play this game again. Actually, I wouldn't play it if it was free. And to think I disliked WoW yet I stood playing it til level 58, yet in VG by level 19 I couldn't take it anymore and couldn't wait to leave like everyone else was doing. Back in the review in one paragragh the reviewer said he finally met someone who told him he was the 3rd person he'd seen for a while. And this is just one person saying it. Again, just like Galaxies. SWG, forget about that one. That's not even the Galaxies of old, thats a totally different game altogether. And yes, I was there too not too long ago and yes, the servers were empty so I know about that game and no one can tell me different cause I saw it firsthand myself. Again, that game is just like this one, a complete failure. Yes, a few still play it but thats because you can't please everyone. But for the most part everyone left, the large majority left and only a very small portion remain. So since just about everyone agreed the game wasn't worth it and abandoned ship and a few think it is and have remained who do you think it most likely to be right and who is definitely wrong? Seems like the majority always wins. And Gorgo, this isn't hating, this is just stating the obvious. Like the old adage, "you can't cover the sky with your hand". Here it would be, you can't tell people something is good when they already know the truth that it isn't.
I just wonder why you feel the need to re-hash this argument ever so often...you haven't given us any new info. What new idea did you bring to the table in this post? Did you find that these forums were sorely lacking in 'low population' threads? My guess is that for what ever reason you continue to post Vanguard hate, those reasons are unhealthy.
Yup the game is in serious decline right now or to put it midly in stagnation. I see no evidence of massively rising population figures which this game obviously needs. The patches so far seem to be minor things and there appears some opinion as to whether the patches have helped.
A big piece of evidence will be when the game is much improved SOE will launch a free trial or free 30 days for exsiting people. Its sorely needed but theres no way around it, VG has lost too many people. There is the possiblity I guess that the game may truely die. It all depends on the next 12 months really., too early to say right now.
But either way its a long slow haul for this game and its maybe at any point ( we are a fickle lot sometimes!) to be eclipsed by other titles released to a higher standard. Sad in some ways but I tihnk VG needs to be a good example to the industry of releasing rough MMO's and using the fact its an online game to improve it later. Its a bad habit.
Actually, the game is very fun and on an incline. SOE is aggressively improving this game.
By dumbing the game down and removing a ruleset players have been happy with for 6 months?
I do not see how SOE is "dumbing" the game down at all. LOL.
And the Team PvP ruleset, you mean? Team PvP does not work in Vanguard, and it will never work; it was tacked on, at the last minute by SIGIL Corp., on top of a PvE game. I am the wrong person to ask, and argue with, about Team PvP.
----- WoW and fast food = commercial successes. I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
I log on about once every two or three weeks and play for a little while, just to see how things are going. I tried two days ago and got killed in a lag storm. Then I played last night and the oddest thing happened...I had fun. For the first time since launch, I actually enjoyed the game. Admittedly, it was largely because I like diplomacy and crafting and did more of that than fighting, but it was actually enjoyable.
The team really has been trying. I hope that they can get the game in order so they can relaunch, but they better do it quickly, because they will face stiff competition from WAR and AoC.
I played diplomacy for a long time as well and enjoyed the starting lines and the later quests then writs however the insane grind of civic diplomacy eventually killed my enthusiasm for it. It's mindnumbingly boring and you have to sit at it forever to get skill ups plus they add the presence requirements you need to do the quests which you have to get through the mind numbing the civics again. I was really into diplomacy for all the promised features but I doubt they show up for a long time if ever, the markets player run cities etc.
Originally posted by Enigma I dont think you've logged on to SWG recently. A couple of their servers show very heavy and heavy (without a server merge).
No kidding, now that is interesting. I always thought that could be a decent game, also felt that EQII was under rated. However Vanguards core design sucked in my opinion. I don't know if they can pull this one from the fire or not, they almost need to pull a mini NGE on it. Fast travel, make a easy way to find and form groups, more solo content , performance optimization. The "needs to be done" list goes on and on.
Originally posted by Jackdog Originally posted by Enigma I dont think you've logged on to SWG recently. A couple of their servers show very heavy and heavy (without a server merge).
No kidding, now that is interesting. I always thought that could be a decent game, also felt that EQII was under rated. However Vanguards core design sucked in my opinion. I don't know if they can pull this one from the fire or not, they almost need to pull a mini NGE on it. Fast travel, make a easy way to find and form groups, more solo content , performance optimization. The "needs to be done" list goes on and on. Umm Vanguards core design is an extension of EQ2... So how can EQ2 be underrated and VG suck?
Played so far: 9Dragons, AO, AC, AC2, CoX, DAoC, DF, DnL, DR, DDO, Ent, EvE, EQ, EQ2, FoMK, FFO, Fury, GW, HG:L, HZ, L1, L2, M59, MU, NC1, NC2, PS, PT, R:O, RF:O, RYL, Ryzom, SL, SB, SW:G, TR, TCoS, MX:O, UO, VG, WAR, WoW... It all sucked.
The problem with both is that they lack design. The design plans are constantly changing, so please write down each current design and will begin to analyse.
Yeah it's really unfortunate how this game has panned out. And the problem is that at first, most people were scared of it because it was supposed to be catered to the hardcore crowd with NASA computers. Now everyone's scared of it because of the bugs, performance, and lack of players not to mention that there's nothing to do once you hit the higher levels.
I really hope they can do something with this thing, because I don't want to cancel, but I sadly find myself wondering why I can't seem to choose a good game. (I have only played this and SWG.)
I dont think you've logged on to SWG recently. A couple of their servers show very heavy and heavy (without a server merge).
No kidding, now that is interesting. I always thought that could be a decent game, also felt that EQII was under rated. However Vanguards core design sucked in my opinion. I don't know if they can pull this one from the fire or not, they almost need to pull a mini NGE on it. Fast travel, make a easy way to find and form groups, more solo content , performance optimization. The "needs to be done" list goes on and on.
Umm Vanguards core design is an extension of EQ2... So how can EQ2 be underrated and VG suck?
I think he meant technical design. EQ2s engine was developed in house by SOE whereas VG's model is a bastard version of Unreal. In addition, VG differs trom EQ2 in the following:
EQ2 is SOE's flagship product.
EQ2 has lore from EQ to draw on. They are just now making the best of that.
EQ2's intial population was much larger than VG's 200k.
EQ2 is more like WoW for the peeps that are tired of WoW with lower system requirements and fun gameplay.
EQ2 does not have the bad word of mouth of VG.
EQ2 has instances. No matter how you feel about them the average Gamer likes them.
EQ2 requires less of a life commitment to play.
EQ2 has an established fanbase with many well established raiding Guilds.
EQ2 has several legal RMT servers. Regardless of what the diehards think about RMT, it is the future.
Umm Vanguards core design is an extension of EQ2... So how can EQ2 be underrated and VG suck?
EQIi is casual gamer friendly. Vanguards core design was meant for the "grind till you drop, group centric, harsh death penalty, kick me in the sack and thank you sir may I have another gamer.
I s that the latrest spin campaign by SOE ? That Vanguard is just EQ2.5 , and if you like EQII you will love Vanguard. Good luck trying to sell that shit. Someone better tell Smed that the cat is out of the bag.
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I just wonder why you feel the need to re-hash this argument ever so often...you haven't given us any new info. What new idea did you bring to the table in this post? Did you find that these forums were sorely lacking in 'low population' threads? My guess is that for what ever reason you continue to post Vanguard hate, those reasons are unhealthy.
Yup the game is in serious decline right now or to put it midly in stagnation. I see no evidence of massively rising population figures which this game obviously needs. The patches so far seem to be minor things and there appears some opinion as to whether the patches have helped.
A big piece of evidence will be when the game is much improved SOE will launch a free trial or free 30 days for exsiting people. Its sorely needed but theres no way around it, VG has lost too many people. There is the possiblity I guess that the game may truely die. It all depends on the next 12 months really., too early to say right now.
But either way its a long slow haul for this game and its maybe at any point ( we are a fickle lot sometimes!) to be eclipsed by other titles released to a higher standard. Sad in some ways but I tihnk VG needs to be a good example to the industry of releasing rough MMO's and using the fact its an online game to improve it later. Its a bad habit.
By dumbing the game down and removing a ruleset players have been happy with for 6 months?
By dumbing the game down and removing a ruleset players have been happy with for 6 months?
I do not see how SOE is "dumbing" the game down at all. LOL.
And the Team PvP ruleset, you mean? Team PvP does not work in Vanguard, and it will never work; it was tacked on, at the last minute by SIGIL Corp., on top of a PvE game. I am the wrong person to ask, and argue with, about Team PvP.
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WoW and fast food = commercial successes.
I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
I log on about once every two or three weeks and play for a little while, just to see how things are going. I tried two days ago and got killed in a lag storm. Then I played last night and the oddest thing happened...I had fun. For the first time since launch, I actually enjoyed the game. Admittedly, it was largely because I like diplomacy and crafting and did more of that than fighting, but it was actually enjoyable.
The team really has been trying. I hope that they can get the game in order so they can relaunch, but they better do it quickly, because they will face stiff competition from WAR and AoC.
I played diplomacy for a long time as well and enjoyed the starting lines and the later quests then writs however the insane grind of civic diplomacy eventually killed my enthusiasm for it. It's mindnumbingly boring and you have to sit at it forever to get skill ups plus they add the presence requirements you need to do the quests which you have to get through the mind numbing the civics again. I was really into diplomacy for all the promised features but I doubt they show up for a long time if ever, the markets player run cities etc.
No kidding, now that is interesting. I always thought that could be a decent game, also felt that EQII was under rated. However Vanguards core design sucked in my opinion. I don't know if they can pull this one from the fire or not, they almost need to pull a mini NGE on it. Fast travel, make a easy way to find and form groups, more solo content , performance optimization. The "needs to be done" list goes on and on.
I miss DAoC
Umm Vanguards core design is an extension of EQ2... So how can EQ2 be underrated and VG suck?
Played so far: 9Dragons, AO, AC, AC2, CoX, DAoC, DF, DnL, DR, DDO, Ent, EvE, EQ, EQ2, FoMK, FFO, Fury, GW, HG:L, HZ, L1, L2, M59, MU, NC1, NC2, PS, PT, R:O, RF:O, RYL, Ryzom, SL, SB, SW:G, TR, TCoS, MX:O, UO, VG, WAR, WoW...
It all sucked.
The problem with both is that they lack design. The design plans are constantly changing, so please write down each current design and will begin to analyse.
Yeah it's really unfortunate how this game has panned out. And the problem is that at first, most people were scared of it because it was supposed to be catered to the hardcore crowd with NASA computers. Now everyone's scared of it because of the bugs, performance, and lack of players not to mention that there's nothing to do once you hit the higher levels.
I really hope they can do something with this thing, because I don't want to cancel, but I sadly find myself wondering why I can't seem to choose a good game. (I have only played this and SWG.)
No kidding, now that is interesting. I always thought that could be a decent game, also felt that EQII was under rated. However Vanguards core design sucked in my opinion. I don't know if they can pull this one from the fire or not, they almost need to pull a mini NGE on it. Fast travel, make a easy way to find and form groups, more solo content , performance optimization. The "needs to be done" list goes on and on.Umm Vanguards core design is an extension of EQ2... So how can EQ2 be underrated and VG suck?
I think he meant technical design. EQ2s engine was developed in house by SOE whereas VG's model is a bastard version of Unreal. In addition, VG differs trom EQ2 in the following:
EQIi is casual gamer friendly. Vanguards core design was meant for the "grind till you drop, group centric, harsh death penalty, kick me in the sack and thank you sir may I have another gamer.
I s that the latrest spin campaign by SOE ? That Vanguard is just EQ2.5 ,
and if you like EQII you will love Vanguard. Good luck trying to sell that shit. Someone better tell Smed that the cat is out of the bag.
I miss DAoC
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