Gun Control: No go?

Sir-Sven · June 2004

I have mixed beliefs on gun control. I do believe in statistics though. Here is a little sample. Not exact, from memory, but I will get exact numbers later.

People dead in 1985 from guns:

Canada: 5

England: 8

Japan: 46

America: 8,092

We have to stop letting these damned groups like the NRA influence the government. This may have been a Bush fault. What the hell is this damned "Concealed weapon act"????? What the hell is that??

-Sir Sven

Finwe · June 2004

Ya. And you know how many car crashes a year, how many deaths they cause? Doesnt mean we should illegalize them.

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flabair · June 2004

i think we should still be able to carry guns. no gun control should be allowed

Sir-Sven · June 2004

We can do something about guns. We can't do much about cars. The Japanese are much more aggressive on their gun policy. We can't be just because it's in our damn bill of rights. Where is the progress in that?

-Sir Sven

Finwe · June 2004

Originally posted by Sir-Sven
We can do something about guns. We can't do much about cars. The Japanese are much more aggressive on their gun policy. We can't be just because it's in our damn bill of rights. Where is the progress in that?

-Sir Sven

You illegalize guns. Then you have people like the Mafia just hoarding them and selling them to the people that dont need it the most.

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Gundamit · June 2004

Here is my thought on the subject:

Guns are not the problem. The problem is that the punishment does not fit the crimes. They are not severe enough for what happens.

Here is the point in fact. Look at how each of the other countries handle crime and how they handle there business. Such at Japan the punishment are so severe that is you kill someone and they find you guilty they take behind the court house and kill you. I India if you steal you have the hand you stole with and the opposite foot cut off.

Allot of other countries do the same, but you said england and canada. So go look up how many deaths with knives. It does not matter if someone wants you dead they will kill you.

Beside the only people you take the guns from are the people that would never use them for killing. The ones that would use them for murder will have the guns and the others will not.

So if the crime was followed with harsher and more swift punishment. Crimes such as these would lower.

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rathma · June 2004

Originally posted by Finwe
Ya. And you know how many car crashes a year, how many deaths they cause? Doesnt mean we should illegalize them.

"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis

The number of car crashes are high because EVERYONE has a car. Although not everyone has a gun. And yet still, over 8000 people are killed due to guns every year.

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Sir-Sven · June 2004

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Sir-Sven
We can do something about guns. We can't do much about cars. The Japanese are much more aggressive on their gun policy. We can't be just because it's in our damn bill of rights. Where is the progress in that?

-Sir Sven

You illegalize guns. Then you have people like the Mafia just hoarding them and selling them to the people that dont need it the most.

"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis

Well, this is exactly why I am so split on the subject. What will happen to the blackmarket and that type of crime? What about another Colombine? This is why I am split.

-Sir Sven

rathma · June 2004

Originally posted by Gundamit

So if the crime was followed with harsher and more swift punishment crimes such as these would lessen.

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That's a good observation. If you kill someone in North America, chances are you'll go to jail, and be back on the streets later in life commiting the same crime. It's like in kindergaurten when you get time outs. Honestly, i think the crime should be much harsher.

If people complain and say "This is way to strict, that's insane" well you should have thought about that before you shot little Timmy.

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Gnarled · June 2004

Control for population and compare to other murder types, then see what you get. Canadian gun control isnt all that strict btw, just about anyone can have a rifle or shotgun, and handguns take awhile but you can get them.

As for capital punishment, yeah great idea, until you realize how many false convictions there are, even for murder.

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Finwe · June 2004

Yep. As Gund said it. You'll be having it that where the people who get their guns taken away are usually good people, law abiding, and would only use it for self defense. Whereas. If you have somone thats going to kill somone with a gun, you think they'd actually let it be taken away, or wouldnt try to get illegally another one?

It'd just take it away from the good guys, and only the bad guys would have it.

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Sir-Sven · June 2004

Originally posted by rathma

Originally posted by Gundamit

So if the crime was followed with harsher and more swift punishment crimes such as these would lessen.

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That's a good observation. If you kill someone in North America, chances are you'll go to jail, and be back on the streets later in life commiting the same crime. It's like in kindergaurten when you get time outs. Honestly, i think the crime should be much harsher.

If people complain and say "This is way to strict, that's insane" well you should have thought about that before you shot little Timmy.

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I agree 100%, I think that if you don't want to die for killing someone yourself, then you shouldn't have killed anyone in the first place! I believe that with all crime though. I believe that if you don't want to have to go to jail for your 10th DUI in a row, then DON'T DRIVE DRUNK!

-Sir Sven

numatic · June 2004

I could understand owning guns as a hobby. But for protection? It's just a lard of BS. It's an excuse. I wouldn't trust myself with a gun, much less some dumb redneck who thinks hes a patriot.

I mean, i saw a news video of a cop holding down a suspect in handcuffs, while another was pointing a gun at him "to be safe". Then she acccidently shot him in the head. That's what I want on my tombstone. "Accidently had his brains blown out because a cop thought she was in danger when he had no apparent weapons on him and was held down by another cop who had him in handcuffs". And what happens to her? She loses her job

Sir-Sven · June 2004

Yeah, what the hell's with that? Who the hell would need protection anyways? Maybe I would.... if I was afraid a British Red Coat was going to come flying into my house and kill my whole family, and even then, chances are that the gun I had would kill someone in my family even before the Red Coats came.

-Sir Sven

Finwe · June 2004

Lets give a scenario like 9/11. Lets say everyone was raised to carry handguns and the sort. You have a couple of terrorists vs a plane full of armed civilians.....I wonder if they still would of tried to hijack it when it would of been about 50+ vs them. Banks. Same thing. Would have to get a whole mafia squad to take down a bank full of people.

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Sir-Sven · June 2004

I bet half the American casualties are accidents.

-Sir Sven

rathma · June 2004

Originally posted by numatic

I could understand owning guns as a hobby. But for protection? It's just a lard of BS. It's an excuse. I wouldn't trust myself with a gun, much less some dumb redneck who thinks hes a patriot.

Completely agree. They wouldn't need so much protection if there wasn't guns around society in the first place. Alot of countries are giving out guns like candy.

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Finwe · June 2004

Originally posted by rathma

Originally posted by numatic

I could understand owning guns as a hobby. But for protection? It's just a lard of BS. It's an excuse. I wouldn't trust myself with a gun, much less some dumb redneck who thinks hes a patriot.

Completely agree. They wouldn't need so much protection if there wasn't guns around society in the first place. Alot of countries are giving out guns like candy.

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Second ammendment just wasnt to protect yourself from other civilians. But rather the government.

"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis

n2sooners · June 2004

Originally posted by numatic

I could understand owning guns as a hobby. But for protection? It's just a lard of BS. It's an excuse. I wouldn't trust myself with a gun, much less some dumb redneck who thinks hes a patriot.
I mean, i saw a news video of a cop holding down a suspect in handcuffs, while another was pointing a gun at him "to be safe". Then she acccidently shot him in the head. That's what I want on my tombstone. "Accidently had his brains blown out because a cop thought she was in danger when he had no apparent weapons on him and was held down by another cop who had him in handcuffs". And what happens to her? She loses her job

There are approximately two million defensive gun uses (DGU's) per year by law abiding citizens. That was one of the findings in a national survey conducted by Gary Kleck, a Florida State University criminologist in 1993. Prior to Dr. Kleck's survey, thirteen other surveys indicated a range of between 800,000 to 2.5 million DGU's annually. However these surveys each had their flaws which prompted Dr. Kleck to conduct his own study specifically tailored to estimate the number of DGU's annually.
Subsequent to Kleck's study, the Department of Justice sponsored a survey in 1994 titled, Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms. Using a smaller sample size than Kleck's, this survey estimated 1.5 million DGU's annually.

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Galoot · June 2004

I'm still waiting for the anti-gun crowd to put signs in their windows proudly proclaiming that they live in a gun free zone.

That way when some thug comes along to rob someone of life or property they will leave their neighbors alone. Yeah that's the ticket, stand up and be counted.

Finwe · June 2004

Originally posted by Galoot

I'm still waiting for the anti-gun crowd to put signs in their windows proudly proclaiming that they live in a gun free zone.
That way when some thug comes along to rob someone of life or property they will leave their neighbors alone. Yeah that's the ticket, stand up and be counted.

"I proudly am an anti-gun activist and I proudly state I do no own one firearm. Nor ever have fired one." Bumper stickers like that all over somones car. But then you have, "Proud supporter of the National Rifles Association. Owner of, pump-action shotgun, an SKS, 9mm Military edition, Over 30,000 rounds of ammunition. Including illegal steel-core and armor piercing. Practice shooting everyday. Am I a tough ass redneck? Hell yeah."

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Coldmeat · June 2004

Originally posted by Galoot
I'm still waiting for the anti-gun crowd to put signs in their windows proudly proclaiming that they live in a gun free zone.That way when some thug comes along to rob someone of life or property they will leave their neighbors alone. Yeah that's the ticket, stand up and be counted.

I truly hope someone comes to rob my house. Hell, I might even put signs about how I don't own guns, but have plenty of high dollar electronics with no serial numbers. That ought to attract plenty of potential test subjects.

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TaskyZZ · June 2004

Originally posted by Sir-Sven
I have mixed beliefs on gun control. I do believe in statistics though. Here is a little sample. Not exact, from memory, but I will get exact numbers later.
People dead in 1985 from guns:
Canada: 5
England: 8
Japan: 46
America: 8,092
We have to stop letting these damned groups like the NRA influence the government. This may have been a Bush fault. What the hell is this damned "Concealed weapon act"????? What the hell is that??-Sir Sven

These numbers are liek this because those countries don't allow their citizens to have guns. if they did, they would have more casualties.

What you really need to see is a figure like a ratio to guns legally owned to the number of deaths. if you had that number, youwould see that they are the same across the board.

Are there less murders in those countries because there are no guns? I doubt it...

I carry a hand gun, have a concealed license. It is for the protection of myself and my family. A responsible, educated, practiced, confident gun carrier is as safe as a person without a gun.

Sure, accidents happen, but they happen in EVERYTHING. People get cut with scissors. Should thye be banned? A woman (bus driver) in the UK was shot with a nail gun just yesterday. Should they ban nail guns?

Think about this... If you were an enemy power, would you invade the United States? A country where its populace is armed?

Making guns illegal, just takes them from the law abiding citizens. It does not take them from the criminals.

Noraxe · June 2004

Originally posted by Sir-Sven

I have mixed beliefs on gun control. I do believe in statistics though. Here is a little sample. Not exact, from memory, but I will get exact numbers later.
People dead in 1985 from guns:
Canada: 5
England: 8
Japan: 46
America: 8,092
We have to stop letting these damned groups like the NRA influence the government. This may have been a Bush fault. What the hell is this damned "Concealed weapon act"????? What the hell is that??

-Sir Sven

This just proves we are better shots

Sir-Sven · June 2004

Originally posted by TaskyZZ

Originally posted by Sir-Sven
I have mixed beliefs on gun control. I do believe in statistics though. Here is a little sample. Not exact, from memory, but I will get exact numbers later.
People dead in 1985 from guns:
Canada: 5
England: 8
Japan: 46
America: 8,092
We have to stop letting these damned groups like the NRA influence the government. This may have been a Bush fault. What the hell is this damned "Concealed weapon act"????? What the hell is that??

-Sir Sven

These numbers are liek this because those countries don't allow their citizens to have guns. if they did, they would have more casualties.

What you really need to see is a figure like a ratio to guns legally owned to the number of deaths. if you had that number, youwould see that they are the same across the board.

Are there less murders in those countries because there are no guns? I doubt it...

I carry a hand gun, have a concealed license. It is for the protection of myself and my family. A responsible, educated, practiced, confident gun carrier is as safe as a person without a gun.

Sure, accidents happen, but they happen in EVERYTHING. People get cut with scissors. Should thye be banned? A woman (bus driver) in the UK was shot with a nail gun just yesterday. Should they ban nail guns?

Think about this... If you were an enemy power, would you invade the United States? A country where its populace is armed?

Making guns illegal, just takes them from the law abiding citizens. It does not take them from the criminals.

Well then we need to start taking them away from people. Who the hell do you need to keep safe from? Al-Qaida?

-Sir Sven

Joleph · June 2004

Just so you guys know in canada the stupid Liberals came up with the smart idea to have a gun registry. so now if you own a gun and register it police can come into your house with out a warrent.

oh and the other thing the spent more money on it the they do on healthcare. and they won't admit that they were in the wrong. saying it was only gona run acouple hundred thousand/million(not quite sure on that),but now its over a billion dollars they have spent and they keep spending more.

so most ppl don't even register the ones they have. heck why get a licence to buy bullets when any joe blow can come of the street and buy black powder.

anyways thats my 2 cents hope we get some reform from this thread

(for the stupid ppl who would think i'm serious that refrom things a JOKE)

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