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Will WoW lose many members to WAR, Age of Conan and so on.
Zertyr
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WoW been out for quite some time now, many have left the game or starting to get bored with it from my impression. And wonder what you guys think, will many ppl leave when the other big mmo's come out?
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I have no doubt that a certain ammount of players will leave. It's only natural. As you said before, it's been up for quite some time and people naturaly get bored of it. People got bored of UO, people got bored of EQ and they will get bored of WoW eventually. Though I don't think that WoW is just gonna roll over and die when the new games are gonna come out. It may stop being the most popular MMORPG, but it's gonna stay alive for a decent ammount of time. Maybe the competition is gonna inspire Blizz to actually fix the problems that people are frustrated with and improve the game? Who knows?
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If you ask about NA - probably, Europe - somewhat, Asia - not at all. In case half the WoW subs are from Asia the game still has bright future. You can check that there are still 2 million ppl playing Lineage (1).
WAR is far too much promoted as solely PvP game which is bad marketing and game will lose from this. But that's only my opinion.
you never know, as you were referring to the Asian market, they may grab hold of WAR more than anyone else--as everyone knows they're very much into PVP.
WoW has over 8 million subscribers, most outside the US. WAR, AoC, etc will be lucky to pick up a few hundred thousand. So yes, some people will migrate away, but the numbers will be truly insignificant from Blizzard's perspective.
you never know, as you were referring to the Asian market, they may grab hold of WAR more than anyone else--as everyone knows they're very much into PVP.
Do people really think Blizzard makes things just so? You think WoW PvP has been promoted last months by coincidence? Please look around..... Arena Tournament, WSVG with professional contracts, PvP vs PvE team live show. Black Temple release was like a small note compared to the buzz given to PvP lately.Ill say that you never know, no one knew that WOW was going to be this big and the Next "big" hit you wont call eather.
Only time will tell.
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Personally speaking I am one of those players who has gotten bored with WoW. I have a level 70 Draenei Priest and I just don't find the game as exciting as it used to be. WoW is a great game though because it has something to offer for every player type. Wether you are a casual, hardcore, Pvper, PvEer, farner, or explorer type of player... it is in WoW and it is fun for awhile.
I really don't see Warhammer being any major threat to WoW since it is mostly said to be about PvP. A game I just recently looked at that does have a chance vs WoW would be Darkfalls. The game make up is unique enough to have grabbed my attention unlike most other MMOs.
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I've been playing WoW ever since the beta started and theres only so many times you can change servers, start a new char, grind out a specific piece of gear...
there's many like me who are looking forward to WAR and pretty much anything else to get us far away from WoW...
and if nothing else blizzards horrible customer service depatment makes players feel like worthless trash.. those ppl are ready to jump at a moments notice.. i'm pretty sure WAR is going to get a good amount of blizzards followers
I think a lot of people don't appreciate the magnitude of WoW. They have 8.5 million subscribers. Let's put that into perspective (All statistivs taken from http://www.mmogchart.com/ ): Lineage, by far the closest game, peaked out around 3.25 million. Lineage 2 go jut over 2 million. Next is RuneScape: Yes, a crappy game. But you know what? It's free and popular. And that, by July 2006, didn't even have a million subs.
Yes, thosenumbers rae a year old. But judging by teh patterns, the only one of those that would have had any popularity increase is runescape. And do you really think that will take over WoW?
Don't get me wrong. I completely agree that WoW gets boring after a while. Heck I got bored getting to 60, and then the expansion just bored me to death. And I've cancelled my subscription. But the point is: Even if a thousand of us here all got 100 different people each to quit, it would put less than a 1.2% dent in their subscribers. Most of their subscribers are overseas, and they look at their games differently than we do.
The games will not ruin WoW. When they COULD do is put WoW at a spot where, for the first time, they are on a negative slope for subscribers. More people are leaving than joining. But even if that happened, Blizzard has a lot of trump cards to pull to get subs back. But they are a cause for Blizzard to worry: Some people indeed will leave, and WoW has generally always had a positive slope of subscribers. They don't want ot lose that record. WoW will die eventually, but it's not going ot happen with 1 or 2 game releases.
Of course a small fraction of players will leave WoW, but I don't think any substantial number of players enjoying the game will jump ship for another title. WoW has such a strong foothold in the market that it would take nothing short of a disaster to topple it. Think about it. WoW has over 1 million players in the U.S. alone. That's double the numbers of any previous extremely successful subscription-based MMORPG in its prime. Add the 6 to 7 million worldwide, the fact that the game is both PC and Mac friendly, the fact that most comps can easily meet the system requirements, and the fact that the game caters to both PvE and PvP enthusiasts, and I don't see this game going anywhere anytime soon.
All the exciting games on the horizon (and by ALL, I mean WAR and AoC)
are PvP-centric, which will appeal to a more specific fan base than WoW. Also, these games are being developed for the Windows platform. Sure there's Boot Camp and programs like that for Apple users who wanna tax their Macs dabbling in PC gaming, but WoW is ready to go for Apple users right out of the box without any additional downloads or headaches.
Though I have no doubt in my mind both AoC and WAR will be much better games than WoW unless Funcom or Mythic really screw the pooch, I don't see a mass exodus of your average WoW gamer moving to the next gen titles.
Sooner or later WoW will lose large numbers of subscribers to another game. Whether that is age of conan, warhammer online or whatever depends far more on how good those games are than on anything about WoW. After all - nothing lasts forever.
Yes - some people do get fed up with WoW, and there is a continual drift of people moving away from the game. But at the moment there are still a lot of new players coming in. Until another game can reach out and get the publicity and word-of-mouth to make sure those new MMO players choose something other than WoW, then warcraft will continue to thrive.
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does it really matter if they lose subs to the other games? i'm starting to get this feeling people treat these games like being a gang member, or a cult or something other then just playing a game you like O.o
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Of course it will lose some, but remember half the playing audience are Asian and I'm not sure if War/AoC will be released there. There will be competitive Asian releases though;- RO2, Aion etc. Its Western audience- people will move to AoC or War if they turn out to be any good. But remember of those 8m playing WoW, there are millions more than bought the game and aren't playing, these are possible subs for these new games. People who are playing WoW could subscribe to both or wait for an expansion pack from WoW which is probably likely to be a paricuarly good one especially considering the poor reception they had of the last, and of people in the game looking for freshness. You can already bet on this new WoW expansion having a bunch of new classes that people are eagerly waiting for, among other things.
None of the other big MMOs - Vanguard, Lords of the Rings, Guildwars, etc - have toppled WoW so I don't see either Warhammer or Conan doing so. Right now, I think a lot of people are negative towards WoW not because it's a bad game (which I don't think it is) but purely because it's been the biggest game around for so long that they just want something to change. I frequently see silly comments along the lines of "AoC is going to totally pwn WoW!" - really? 8.5 million people are just going to suddenly ditch a game they've been playing for years for something else? Not a chance.
WoW's strength, as far as I'm concerned, is just how easily accessible it is. If you're into player-v-player, it has that. If you're into player-v-enemy, it has that. It has group quests and solo quests. It will run on pretty much any computer released in the past few years and you don't need to fork out £300 for a new graphics card just to get an acceptable frame rate. For a noob who'd never played an MMO before, WoW hooked me from the start. When I later played Lord of the Rings, Guildwars, Archlord, etc, they just seemed like pale comparisons.
If the designers of Warhammer and Conan have any common sense, they'll try to learn from WoW's strengths and make their games as user-friendly as WoW is. If they focus on player-v-player solely, they'll alienate all the people who dislike this kind of thing (me and several million others for a start). If they make it so you need a top of the range computer to play it or it looks terrible (Vanguard take a bow), they'll lose big time. Not everyone has a top of the range computer and so any sensible designer should ensure their game runs fine on medium range computers if they want a lot of people to buy it. State of the art graphics might look nice on the back of the box, but how many of us have computers powerful enough to actually play them at those settings?
a big part of the reason why i want to see Age of Conan and Warhammer do very well--subscription wise, is that because WOW has been such a success, it seems that there's less diversity in MMORPG's now. it seems to me that a lot (if not most) of games are becoming clones of WOW. if companies feel that the only way to make money in this market is to follow the WOW model then it's going to become really boring in the MMORPG market.
we'll have:
WOW in space
western WOW
WOW pirates
Kung Fu WOW
WOW mafia
WOW superheroes
see what i'm saying? it's the same game different setting...that wouldn't be fun, i enjoyed playing WOW for 2 years, but after i got bored with it my brother and i tried many different games, and nothing was really all that good, lol. game designers need to understand that this market has a lot of room to grow, there should be a lot more freedom in the creation of these games than there currently is. and both of these games offer new and inventive ways of doing things, if they do great i see it as a win for the entire MMORPG community.
why do i say that? because designers of new games will look at the success of these other games and will be able to point out that they did something new and innovative and gamers liked it, lets try something new with our game, etc. for Blizzard it'd show them that they can't just relax on their 8 million subscribers, they've got to keep trying be more and more imaginative and creative--and for the love of god cut out the grind, lol.
just a few thoughts.
I and almost all the people I play with regularly are going to play Warhammer. We currently play WoW or EQ2 but we want a real PVP game. Most of us came from DAoC and went to WoW expecting a end game pvp system. What we got was a PVE game like EQ and we're not happy. The PVP in wow is horrific and consists of death match arena pvp. We want World PVP.
In any case I will be dropping WoW instantly soon as I get Warhammer (beta or retail). Only reason I still play wow is I have friends playing it. Otherwise I'd be biding my time in LOTRO or EQ2.
As to the fella saying all the upcoming games are "wowish" thats kinda silly. WoW took from all previous mmos and did only a few things different. Quest grinding/leveling, more casual play mechanics and a low end system requirement... oh and the addon/lua mod system. Other than that they've brought jack squat to the genre. Saying any game is a WoW "clone" is silly because WoW stole most of it's game from previous mmos and the rpg Warhammer to begin with. MMOs will always have aspects from previous games if the mechanics worked out... it's the progression of games.
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churn is inherent in the genre. Blizzard knew this when they started playing the game--they can't people playing forever.
I highly doubt WAR/AoC will unseat WoW from the big throne, though they will probably draw some subscribers... but DDO proved that it's not enough just to have a recognized name brand, you need to have a good game behind it, or it won't sell.
Yes, WoW will loose alot of players to WAR and AoC and many many more cause you can only keep your players entertained for so long before they just want to blast their heads off in bordom very, very violently besides if they put as much time into their graphics as they did creating Burning Cursade we would have very many good looking people running around, not ass.
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Only if the games are done well, and by this I mean a permanent exodus. Lots of folks will try out WAR and AOC regardless; whether they stay is the question.
The main thing that's worrying me about the new releases, is I hear a lot of linear gameplay is baked in. For some reason, some dev's think a game should have an almost movie-like script where your character is railroaded down a certain path. Makes for boring gameplay and crap replayability.
If either WAR or AOC are on "railroad tracks", I'm passing and sticking with WOW. WOW may lure you down a path, but never forces you.
Pple WoW will lose are the PvPers but I doubt the PvEers will hang around long in either War/aoc.
WoW is going to sit on the pve throne for sometime and it doesn;t look like any new game wants to challenge that. We've a;ready seen one pve challenger -LotRs - come and fail miserably.
There will definately be people from WoW leaving for AoC and WAR. I already know some in game and some of my RL friends who are getting into WAR. Alot of people are burned out from WoW and alot of players love it still.
Will WoW loose a good chunk of its members to AoC and WAR? I think it will.
Will WoW suffer a major impact and change the game because of it? I doubt it.
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Of course people will leave WoW for other games.The question is how many will go back.
Exactly. I was playing FFXI when EQ2 and WoW launched...people were giving away their items....selling their toons....all kinds of crazy stuff...i made out like a bandit...a month or two later, they were back, asking for their stuff back, or bitching that they're having to start over. It happens to all MMo's as time goes by. Soon, it will happen to WoW...but I dod not advise giving away all your stuff just yet :-)
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hopefully most of the idiots, know it alls, and conceited bastards stay on WoW. I really can't stand the majority of people that play the game. I don't wanna see the same type of community in the next game I play, that's for sure.
the amazing thing is that anyone stills playing this crap lol