You won't be able to gank in WAR. Period. Mythics applies various anti-gank, anti-grief features to their game because they know the risk.
Are u saying if there is 1vs1 or 6 vs 6 no one else can butt in the fight?
Well sure, if you are in one of instanced combat areas you will be limited to the number of participants, but in the open world PVP, no, people can come along and spoil your fun.
What they have stated they will do is de-buff higher level players who venture into lowbie PVP areas with the purpose off ganking, so much so that they will probably be slaughtered. I also suspect they'll employ a mechanic that DAOC currently has, where if you attack a player who is currently engaged fighting a PVE mob you will receive no skill points (or whatever they are called in WAR) for the kill. I'm also sure they will not reward you for killing players significantly lower than yourself.
Also, there is the chaos chicken for all the tough guys who go down to the lower tiers to fuck with the lower tier guys. So sorry Anubisss you and your elite ghost squad wont be able to repeatedly "gank" lower level people. I hear Lineage 2 is still going strong though.
Who said anything about ganking?you have not read the whole thread because you would see i did`nt mention ganking.Ganking was bought into the debate when .....took a description of an RVR raid dungeon as ganking.We dont want a rep as a ganker squad?We would like to be known as a team people can rely on in the heat of battle.We are there for the whole realm not for our own personal glory.
I dont gank people as you put it lol whats the damn point of ganking someone(you are talking from a WOW point of view?)all it gets you is a bad rep.
Before you make assumption read the whole thread.Me and my Ghost Squad as you put it will be killing the enemy and giving no quarter for the realm.WAR =the whole realm getting behind each other not me going agaist my own faction or being a bully squad.
Teamwork is a must and belieave me when i say i wont be spoiling anyone day unless i have to.
so you pvper's need pver's to help out with the war effort? why would anyone want to just support the war effort without getting any benefit from it if they don't pvp? hopefully i'm just misunderstanding this.....but like it seems to me anyways is that those who just want to pvp will need pver's to play this game to further the war effort, so if the best stuff if for the pvper thru rvr why would i want to pve and get nothing from it?
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
i'm starting to think this game won't attract many pve'rs since there really isn't anything for them to gain, unless they pvp also.
i'm not agianst pvp either, an i do understand they said this game will be pvp from the get go, but to just throw some pve in to support the pvper's is kinda lame, unless the pver can also gain bigtime from backing the war effort as in nearly equal gear that rvr gives.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
WAR is a RVR-PVP-PVE game in that order and no amount of moaning and bitching about why you cant grind the fuck out of an instance time and time again is going to change that..PVE is part of the RVR experience and EVERY quests you do has something to do with the war effort.Even 2 of the Raid instances are RVR just like DARKNESS FALLS in DAOC.So even while you are trying to take out that top boss me and my boyz can come and take him off ya lol.The best items will come from RVR capitol city raids so fucking live with it or participate. Paul Barnett has already stated that MYHIC DONT HAVE TO PLZ EVERYONE and WAR is about WAR-RVR plain and simple.When your toon is born into the WARHAMMER world you are born in the middle of a never ending WAR.There will be no opening new instance with the enemy or gathering fuck up resources to help the other-sides WAR effort lol.
A Quote from Paul should remind you moaning PVEs that Mythic can do what they want and still have potentially the best game out there catering to people who like a real challenge instead of some fuck up NPC incounter. Quote="One of the things we had to decide early on is..." Paul muses, "well, our game is Warhammer. It's not farm-hammer. It's not making-T-shirts-hammer. It's not dancing-hammer. It's Warhammer. Therefore, though there are these elements in other games, it's not of much interest to us. And that's difficult, because we have this obsession with 'Don't you have to appeal to all these different game styles?' And in short, no, you don't. Pick a great idea - War - and then realise that idea in the most wondrous way you can. WAR IS COMING Ghost Squad
Boy, Mythic will be proud to draw customers like this!
And by the way, a pure pvp game by history doesn't tend to have a large player base .
Those pve players that ya'll insult might have been the difference between success and failure in a thinly populated game. Mythic does want to make money, after all, and when the game population settles out to 30k players ya'll won't be seeing things like upgrades since the money won't be there for stuff like that.
So keep trying to drive the pve players away, it's a great business tactic.......
I dont know many details on how the pve will contribute to the war effort, but i would assume that the pve parts are a necessity just as the pvp parts would be...If there isn't factories making tanks for the soldiers, what do you expect them to use? jeeps with sheets of metal taped on? If there arnt soldiers for the tank's the factories are making, whats the point of keeping em piled up in a garage?
PvP will be a big part of the game, but that doesnt mean pve will be ruled out completly. They've stated that there is going to be 4 pve dungeons on release (i believe its 4?) and that to progress to "top level" or to "get the good shit" you dont have to pvp at all...Nor do you have to pve at all...In fact, i also believe in one of their video's they said that the more efficient way of progressing would be through the combination of both pvp and pve
I dont know many details on how the pve will contribute to the war effort, but i would assume that the pve parts are a necessity just as the pvp parts would be...If there isn't factories making tanks for the soldiers, what do you expect them to use? jeeps with sheets of metal taped on? If there arnt soldiers for the tank's the factories are making, whats the point of keeping em piled up in a garage? PvP will be a big part of the game, but that doesnt mean pve will be ruled out completly. They've stated that there is going to be 4 pve dungeons on release (i believe its 4?) and that to progress to "top level" or to "get the good shit" you dont have to pvp at all...Nor do you have to pve at all...In fact, i also believe in one of their video's they said that the more efficient way of progressing would be through the combination of both pvp and pve
well i like to pvp a little bit, but i love to pve and if i do end up playing this game i just don't want pver's to be used to make the pvper folks better, i mean i understand the teamwork aspect of it but everyone needs to be rewarded well for whatever part they play, keep it fun and rewarding for all is what i say.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
i'm starting to think this game won't attract many pve'rs since there really isn't anything for them to gain, unless they pvp also.
i'm not agianst pvp either, an i do understand they said this game will be pvp from the get go, but to just throw some pve in to support the pvper's is kinda lame, unless the pver can also gain bigtime from backing the war effort as in nearly equal gear that rvr gives.
Well yes, you do gain Items, XP and Gold from PvE, too, of course. But the Gear you get won't be as good as Gear obtained from PvP, some of the best Crafting Materials will only be obtainable through PvP.
PvE IS important in WAR, but not as important as PvP. The PvE Quests will contribute to Zone Control as well, but only to a minor degree.
Don't be confused, there IS PvE, there IS FUN PvE, there is much PvE. However, the focus will always be PvP, so don't set your expectations too high if you plan to only PvE in PvE Zones.
WAR is a RVR-PVP-PVE game in that order and no amount of moaning and bitching about why you cant grind the fuck out of an instance time and time again is going to change that..PVE is part of the RVR experience and EVERY quests you do has something to do with the war effort.Even 2 of the Raid instances are RVR just like DARKNESS FALLS in DAOC.So even while you are trying to take out that top boss me and my boyz can come and take him off ya lol.The best items will come from RVR capitol city raids so fucking live with it or participate. Paul Barnett has already stated that MYHIC DONT HAVE TO PLZ EVERYONE and WAR is about WAR-RVR plain and simple.When your toon is born into the WARHAMMER world you are born in the middle of a never ending WAR.There will be no opening new instance with the enemy or gathering fuck up resources to help the other-sides WAR effort lol.
A Quote from Paul should remind you moaning PVEs that Mythic can do what they want and still have potentially the best game out there catering to people who like a real challenge instead of some fuck up NPC incounter. Quote="One of the things we had to decide early on is..." Paul muses, "well, our game is Warhammer. It's not farm-hammer. It's not making-T-shirts-hammer. It's not dancing-hammer. It's Warhammer. Therefore, though there are these elements in other games, it's not of much interest to us. And that's difficult, because we have this obsession with 'Don't you have to appeal to all these different game styles?' And in short, no, you don't. Pick a great idea - War - and then realise that idea in the most wondrous way you can. WAR IS COMING Ghost Squad
Boy, Mythic will be proud to draw customers like this!
And by the way, a pure pvp game by history doesn't tend to have a large player base .
Those pve players that ya'll insult might have been the difference between success and failure in a thinly populated game. Mythic does want to make money, after all, and when the game population settles out to 30k players ya'll won't be seeing things like upgrades since the money won't be there for stuff like that.
So keep trying to drive the pve players away, it's a great business tactic.......
Why would Mythic mind me telling people what they have already said themselves.Again did you even read the post?where did i state that WAR is a PURE PVE mmorpg?
Thinly populated game lol you do know Mythic have there own fan base through DAOC RVR system right? 200.000 people sign up for beta and you are talking about 30k subs.Then you have TT Warhammer fans as well.
Look i will say it again so you can understand what i am saying.WAR is a RVR centric game, included in that system is PVP-PVE all leading back to the war effort.No one has said that WAR is a PURE PVP mmorpg.
Public Quests are PVE-PVP and consists of quests designed to help the WAR effort.You can go through to the top tier just by doing Public quests.6 Raid Dungeons of which two will be like Darkness Falls in DAOC meaning you can PVP in them.
See the Popcast and look at the Quotes from the dev,war is everywhere and your toon is born into that war.20%-80% PVE-80%-20%RVR=endgame.
i'm starting to think this game won't attract many pve'rs since there really isn't anything for them to gain, unless they pvp also.
i'm not agianst pvp either, an i do understand they said this game will be pvp from the get go, but to just throw some pve in to support the pvper's is kinda lame, unless the pver can also gain bigtime from backing the war effort as in nearly equal gear that rvr gives.
Well yes, you do gain Items, XP and Gold from PvE, too, of course. But the Gear you get won't be as good as Gear obtained from PvP, some of the best Crafting Materials will only be obtainable through PvP.
PvE IS important in WAR, but not as important as PvP. The PvE Quests will contribute to Zone Control as well, but only to a minor degree.
Don't be confused, there IS PvE, there IS FUN PvE, there is much PvE. However, the focus will always be PvP, so don't set your expectations too high if you plan to only PvE in PvE Zones.
good info thank you. so it seems if i do play it won't be for long since the focus is the way it is, no worries from me tho, i guess it could be fun till the pve runs out.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
PvE IS important in WAR, but not as important as PvP.
If that is the case, sounds like another game I will pass on. I have nothing against PvP in a game I play, just no interest in participating heavily in it. I could go on all day about why I prefer PvE to PvP, but thats off topic. The fact is, if a game doesn't focus at least equally on the two aspects, I won't play it. I I am fine with a 90% focus on PvE with a small amount of effort and resources going toward PvP though. I guess it takes all kinds.
Even though I hate the fact that this games art style looks similar to WoW (yes I know warhammer was first and blizzard is the biters), I'm definitely looking forward to it. So far the game sounds great and is looking like the one I will play.
If that is the case, sounds like another game I will pass on. I have nothing against PvP in a game I play, just no interest in participating heavily in it. I could go on all day about why I prefer PvE to PvP, but thats off topic. The fact is, if a game doesn't focus at least equally on the two aspects, I won't play it. I I am fine with a 90% focus on PvE with a small amount of effort and resources going toward PvP though. I guess it takes all kinds.
Well:
Tier 4 (aka Endgame), Zone Setup: 80% PvP Zones, 20% PvE Zones, and that's not taking into account the countless PvP Scenarios in Tier 4. Speaks a clear enough language, right?
If that is the case, sounds like another game I will pass on. I have nothing against PvP in a game I play, just no interest in participating heavily in it. I could go on all day about why I prefer PvE to PvP, but thats off topic. The fact is, if a game doesn't focus at least equally on the two aspects, I won't play it. I I am fine with a 90% focus on PvE with a small amount of effort and resources going toward PvP though. I guess it takes all kinds.
Well:
Tier 4 (aka Endgame), Zone Setup: 80% PvP Zones, 20% PvE Zones, and that's not taking into account the countless PvP Scenarios in Tier 4. Speaks a clear enough language, right?
teir 4 is that end game or more 60-70 in wow ? Id argue the second because that is what it is ... end game is going to have a few pvp dungeons right off the bat (wow had about the same if i remember correctly)
that beign said for most players lvling up will included about 40% +/-10% pve exping.... so really i fail to get the WAR = PvP only game. In daoc i get about 4-6 of my levels in pvp as it is (and its really not setup to level in at all) This is only becuase i focus on pvp a lot as i level, other people have about 0 levels in pvp. In WAR you will PVE unless you really really want to avoid it.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
teir 4 is that end game or more 60-70 in wow ? Id argue the second because that is what it is ... end game is going to have a few pvp dungeons right off the bat (wow had about the same if i remember correctly)
that beign said for most players lvling up will included about 40% +/-10% pve exping.... so really i fail to get the WAR = PvP only game. In daoc i get about 4-6 of my levels in pvp as it is (and its really not setup to level in at all) This is only becuase i focus on pvp a lot as i level, other people have about 0 levels in pvp. In WAR you will PVE unless you really really want to avoid it.
Well yes, Tier 4 includes the last levels.
But, there PvE will only play a very minor role.
The main thing to do in Tier 4 is the Campaign, meaning the Battle for all Tier 4 Zones, including the Enemies Capitol. And this, obviously, will majorly be done through PvP.
Noone, or only misinformed People say "WAR=PvP Only", and I repeated multiple times already that WAR does have PvE. In the Beginning, 80% of the Zones will be PvE.
Yes, you _could_, theoretically, ONLY PvE or ONLY PvP from lvl 1 to 40 without a Problem, you'd level slower than someone who does both throughout the Game, but who cares?
However you will definately get a major part of your Levels from PvP, especially later on, unless you want to avoid PvP at all, because as said, 80% of the Tier 4 Zones will be PvP, and, apart from ~3-6 PvE Dungeons, there'll approx. be over 50 PvP Scenarios (in Tier 4 alone, Devs spoke about 150+ PvP Scenarios overall)
I'm glad the PvP fans finally get a game geared toward them. But the OP's post reminds me of the early community of Vanguard: elitist and hostile
I'd have to agree come on people. War looks like it could be an outstanding game provided the community doesn't kill it. We can all disagree about different things without acting like agressive children.
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Are u saying if there is 1vs1 or 6 vs 6 no one else can butt in the fight?Well sure, if you are in one of instanced combat areas you will be limited to the number of participants, but in the open world PVP, no, people can come along and spoil your fun.
What they have stated they will do is de-buff higher level players who venture into lowbie PVP areas with the purpose off ganking, so much so that they will probably be slaughtered. I also suspect they'll employ a mechanic that DAOC currently has, where if you attack a player who is currently engaged fighting a PVE mob you will receive no skill points (or whatever they are called in WAR) for the kill. I'm also sure they will not reward you for killing players significantly lower than yourself.
Also, there is the chaos chicken for all the tough guys who go down to the lower tiers to fuck with the lower tier guys. So sorry Anubisss you and your elite ghost squad wont be able to repeatedly "gank" lower level people. I hear Lineage 2 is still going strong though.
Who said anything about ganking?you have not read the whole thread because you would see i did`nt mention ganking.Ganking was bought into the debate when .....took a description of an RVR raid dungeon as ganking.We dont want a rep as a ganker squad?We would like to be known as a team people can rely on in the heat of battle.We are there for the whole realm not for our own personal glory.
I dont gank people as you put it lol whats the damn point of ganking someone(you are talking from a WOW point of view?)all it gets you is a bad rep.
Before you make assumption read the whole thread.Me and my Ghost Squad as you put it will be killing the enemy and giving no quarter for the realm.WAR =the whole realm getting behind each other not me going agaist my own faction or being a bully squad.
Teamwork is a must and belieave me when i say i wont be spoiling anyone day unless i have to.
WAR IS COMING
Ghost Squad
so you pvper's need pver's to help out with the war effort? why would anyone want to just support the war effort without getting any benefit from it if they don't pvp? hopefully i'm just misunderstanding this.....but like it seems to me anyways is that those who just want to pvp will need pver's to play this game to further the war effort, so if the best stuff if for the pvper thru rvr why would i want to pve and get nothing from it?
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
i'm starting to think this game won't attract many pve'rs since there really isn't anything for them to gain, unless they pvp also.
i'm not agianst pvp either, an i do understand they said this game will be pvp from the get go, but to just throw some pve in to support the pvper's is kinda lame, unless the pver can also gain bigtime from backing the war effort as in nearly equal gear that rvr gives.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
Boy, Mythic will be proud to draw customers like this!
And by the way, a pure pvp game by history doesn't tend to have a large player base .
Those pve players that ya'll insult might have been the difference between success and failure in a thinly populated game. Mythic does want to make money, after all, and when the game population settles out to 30k players ya'll won't be seeing things like upgrades since the money won't be there for stuff like that.
So keep trying to drive the pve players away, it's a great business tactic.......
I dont know many details on how the pve will contribute to the war effort, but i would assume that the pve parts are a necessity just as the pvp parts would be...If there isn't factories making tanks for the soldiers, what do you expect them to use? jeeps with sheets of metal taped on? If there arnt soldiers for the tank's the factories are making, whats the point of keeping em piled up in a garage?
PvP will be a big part of the game, but that doesnt mean pve will be ruled out completly. They've stated that there is going to be 4 pve dungeons on release (i believe its 4?) and that to progress to "top level" or to "get the good shit" you dont have to pvp at all...Nor do you have to pve at all...In fact, i also believe in one of their video's they said that the more efficient way of progressing would be through the combination of both pvp and pve
well i like to pvp a little bit, but i love to pve and if i do end up playing this game i just don't want pver's to be used to make the pvper folks better, i mean i understand the teamwork aspect of it but everyone needs to be rewarded well for whatever part they play, keep it fun and rewarding for all is what i say.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
Well yes, you do gain Items, XP and Gold from PvE, too, of course. But the Gear you get won't be as good as Gear obtained from PvP, some of the best Crafting Materials will only be obtainable through PvP.
PvE IS important in WAR, but not as important as PvP. The PvE Quests will contribute to Zone Control as well, but only to a minor degree.
Don't be confused, there IS PvE, there IS FUN PvE, there is much PvE. However, the focus will always be PvP, so don't set your expectations too high if you plan to only PvE in PvE Zones.
Boy, Mythic will be proud to draw customers like this!
And by the way, a pure pvp game by history doesn't tend to have a large player base .
Those pve players that ya'll insult might have been the difference between success and failure in a thinly populated game. Mythic does want to make money, after all, and when the game population settles out to 30k players ya'll won't be seeing things like upgrades since the money won't be there for stuff like that.
So keep trying to drive the pve players away, it's a great business tactic.......
Why would Mythic mind me telling people what they have already said themselves.Again did you even read the post?where did i state that WAR is a PURE PVE mmorpg?
Thinly populated game lol you do know Mythic have there own fan base through DAOC RVR system right? 200.000 people sign up for beta and you are talking about 30k subs.Then you have TT Warhammer fans as well.
Look i will say it again so you can understand what i am saying.WAR is a RVR centric game, included in that system is PVP-PVE all leading back to the war effort.No one has said that WAR is a PURE PVP mmorpg.
Public Quests are PVE-PVP and consists of quests designed to help the WAR effort.You can go through to the top tier just by doing Public quests.6 Raid Dungeons of which two will be like Darkness Falls in DAOC meaning you can PVP in them.
See the Popcast and look at the Quotes from the dev,war is everywhere and your toon is born into that war.20%-80% PVE-80%-20%RVR=endgame.
WAR IS COMING
Ghost Squad
Well yes, you do gain Items, XP and Gold from PvE, too, of course. But the Gear you get won't be as good as Gear obtained from PvP, some of the best Crafting Materials will only be obtainable through PvP.
PvE IS important in WAR, but not as important as PvP. The PvE Quests will contribute to Zone Control as well, but only to a minor degree.
Don't be confused, there IS PvE, there IS FUN PvE, there is much PvE. However, the focus will always be PvP, so don't set your expectations too high if you plan to only PvE in PvE Zones.
good info thank you. so it seems if i do play it won't be for long since the focus is the way it is, no worries from me tho, i guess it could be fun till the pve runs out.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
If that is the case, sounds like another game I will pass on. I have nothing against PvP in a game I play, just no interest in participating heavily in it. I could go on all day about why I prefer PvE to PvP, but thats off topic. The fact is, if a game doesn't focus at least equally on the two aspects, I won't play it. I I am fine with a 90% focus on PvE with a small amount of effort and resources going toward PvP though. I guess it takes all kinds.
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Even though I hate the fact that this games art style looks similar to WoW (yes I know warhammer was first and blizzard is the biters), I'm definitely looking forward to it. So far the game sounds great and is looking like the one I will play.
Well:
Tier 4 (aka Endgame), Zone Setup: 80% PvP Zones, 20% PvE Zones, and that's not taking into account the countless PvP Scenarios in Tier 4. Speaks a clear enough language, right?
Well:
teir 4 is that end game or more 60-70 in wow ? Id argue the second because that is what it is ... end game is going to have a few pvp dungeons right off the bat (wow had about the same if i remember correctly)Tier 4 (aka Endgame), Zone Setup: 80% PvP Zones, 20% PvE Zones, and that's not taking into account the countless PvP Scenarios in Tier 4. Speaks a clear enough language, right?
that beign said for most players lvling up will included about 40% +/-10% pve exping.... so really i fail to get the WAR = PvP only game. In daoc i get about 4-6 of my levels in pvp as it is (and its really not setup to level in at all) This is only becuase i focus on pvp a lot as i level, other people have about 0 levels in pvp. In WAR you will PVE unless you really really want to avoid it.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
edit: misunderstood op
Well yes, Tier 4 includes the last levels.
But, there PvE will only play a very minor role.
The main thing to do in Tier 4 is the Campaign, meaning the Battle for all Tier 4 Zones, including the Enemies Capitol. And this, obviously, will majorly be done through PvP.
Noone, or only misinformed People say "WAR=PvP Only", and I repeated multiple times already that WAR does have PvE. In the Beginning, 80% of the Zones will be PvE.
Yes, you _could_, theoretically, ONLY PvE or ONLY PvP from lvl 1 to 40 without a Problem, you'd level slower than someone who does both throughout the Game, but who cares?
However you will definately get a major part of your Levels from PvP, especially later on, unless you want to avoid PvP at all, because as said, 80% of the Tier 4 Zones will be PvP, and, apart from ~3-6 PvE Dungeons, there'll approx. be over 50 PvP Scenarios (in Tier 4 alone, Devs spoke about 150+ PvP Scenarios overall)
I'd have to agree come on people. War looks like it could be an outstanding game provided the community doesn't kill it. We can all disagree about different things without acting like agressive children.