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Whats with the LoM3 hype?
fulmanfu
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I saw that Legend of Mir3 burst into the top 5 on the hypemeter..
And i have to ask you guys, why? There wasn't even much hype for LoM when it came out 5 years ago, and this is jus rereleasing the same game
It's the same game, same monsters, same graphics, same maps, same skills as the LoM released 5 years ago, with basicly just horses and some high lvl content added. This is called 'patching' not a whole new game.
someone tell me what the reason for the hype?
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Shit i'm bad... I self educated myself in ways of controlling feelings, now nothing feels like it's true... gotta be an assasin or sumtin.
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....must ....play .....WoW
wow..this is the worst forum 'sofware' ever..
so anway...fanboy? this is based on me replying in favour to the game on a thread slating it? the guy had made unfounded asumptions and i was saying he was wrong.
and 2d mmorpgs are just better than the 3d ones...
i think my facts are right. from someone who admits not knowing much about it, you sure like to think you do. I have played this game, i can put up a server for it tonight if i want, everyting i say is dead on.
anyway, i wasnt trying to bash the game(just you now) i am a fan of mir, loved it back in the day.
i was just in awe that the mmorpg industry has come soooo far that people are so anxios for the re-release of an average game that came out in the late 90's.
It's down to taste. I much prefer the isometric viewpoint when playing MMORPG's. I don't hate 3D games, it's just I find the 2d Iso games much more fun to play. I am also looking forward to WoW and even EQ2.
The original Mir2 was run in such a poor manner that it spoilt the game. The game had so much promise and was a genuinely addictive game but poor support and service ruined it. A lot of the Mir2 players know just how good that game promised to be and so we now come to Mir3 which is vastly improved but most importantly run by a new company. A lot have very high hopes for this game once more and only time will tell...
hmm well for a start there are plenty of new skills the interface has bin changed the graphics slightly upgraded thats for a start ... then there are also a number of things changed with the characters and not to mention its 10 x the size of mir2 and tbh its not run by gn thats why its got my vote
mir is a highly addictive game and is all out class imo i tried others but there all goin 3d now they keep my attention for two or three days and bah ..
but anyway if you take a look at each class on the guide you will see how many spells have bin changed and alot more ..
oh and on the note of why did mir3 get so much hype why not ask how come it droped so fast?
everquest fan bois sayin oooooooo no a game got higher blah blah vote 1!!! ... sad tbh
Ok yes the people who have been w8ing for this game to come out in an offical english format are hyping it is what i thought this site was all about. I did it once and yes there are a lot of differences from mir 2 in game ( i know this as i have been playing mir 3 Ei for about a year or so now and am looking forward to it coming out on a p2p server.
There are new skills maps and mobs in game so how you can say there isnt i dont know how ?
If you dont like the game then plz dont diss it as Mir does have a large a following as eve online everquest ect and players are pasionate about there game.
Apparently all the hype is from another "hype our game!" forum post in a Mir3 forum out there. We are working at this very moment to implement the same anti-cheating system on our hype system as we have on our reviews system. Although it is not fail-proof - the fact that it will require "hypers" to have a 5/100 rank and only hype 2 games per day will help a LOT (as it did for reviews).
Let me state again...the hypes and reviews at MMORPG.COM are meant to represent the community here - not passer-bys who link in from a forum post such as this.
I am sure if for example Mythic wanted DAoC to get a high ranking on this site they could do so my posting an official topic on their massively trafficked web site and sway up the ratings...but that would not be an accurate sampling. You don't poll outside a Greenpeace convention to get an accurate gauge of who will win the next election - and this is very much similar.
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The temporary official forums are found at http://www.totalformat.com/forum/index.php?
There will be forums put up when the game goes live so your forum account will be tied in with your gaming account.
Yes, this is exactly what the hype system is for. However, the people linking over from the other forum have been creating multiple accounts and voting every other non-MIR3 game a "1" to sway the scores. That is not the intended function.
We are going to make some changes which will not stop anyone from hyping games...it will just massively slow down the abuse that is taking place. By requiring people to have a minimal rank and limit the amount of games they can hype per day will help everyone.
Note - this is not just about Mir3. These rules will help you as much as you think they will harm you. Trust me it will only be a matter of time until someone posts a link on another forum to destroy the rank of Mir3 or some other game. So it goes both ways.
What we are trying to do is make the hype and rating system more accurate.
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I dont belive your facts are correct, LoM3 will be changed for the English audience and wont be using crappy fake files that were used to try and construct private servers. So untill people have played it no one will know what their is and isnt as QGO have assured us they will be changing the game for the European audience.
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To be honest I find it totally lame that people would come on here and purposely give a game a lower rating jsut to make its own better, i voted 10/10 for mir 3 and 10/10 for WoW because Im hyped about both games, I never rated EQ2 as I know diddly squat about it so rating it would be unfair. All of the lamers who voted and wrote comments saying they would rate it one because it was doing better than their prefered game should have their votes taken away and be banned, as their obviously abusing the system.
I honestly thought Americans were the nicest people ive ever met in online games, yet ive come here and maybe seen their true colours? (yes i'm English). I think your comments and the way you conduct yourselves here makes Americans seem like nothing more than aggressive big headed fools, and I know for a fact this isnt true, all of my friends from LoM2 were Americans. Im totally disgusted that you would purposely rate a game just to lower its hype, people like that make me sick.
I hardly think the posts in this thread from a handful of people accurately describe "americans" as a whole - I think stereotyping any group of people based on the actions of few is wrong
Furthermore I can link you to a European forum where people from Europe were doing the exact same thing to boost the hype of Mir3 (people were coming here and voting up Mir3 and voting down all other games to further boost Mir3).
I think it is fair to say that cheating and abuse does not seem to be any different in Europe, Asia, America or wherever...there is always group no matter where you live that don't like playing by the rules
None the less...all the abuse voting should be more or less past us now. People can only hype games if their rank is 5/100 or better and they can only hype 2 games per 24 hours. The amount of effort an abuser will have to put forth to taint the hypes should discourage 99% of those who aim to do this.
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Dig a little deeper and you will discover LoM 3 is actually being run by 4 Ex-Mir 2 players who refuse to admit on an open forum that they are indeed 4 ex-mir2 players. The official QGO site has some very dubious claims about the companies activities both past and present. They talk the talk but will they walk the walk. All companies must start somewhere but given the background on this company and the fact that Wemade (LoM 3 publisher) may not be in full possion of all the facts gives rise to great concern. I am in the process of contacting various bodies who may wish to look into this whole affair further. They are also now running a policy of "hear no evil, see no evil" and will not allow anything to be posted questioning QGO or the management of LoM 3.
Unfortunately the simplistic game play in Mir 2 has fostered a community that includes that element of society that connot get to grips with a more complex game. It has, basically, attracted the *idiot* mentality out there and these people will be flocking to Mir 3 towing both brain cells behind them.
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Well you've admitted your hype system is flawed and changed it accordingly by altering the scores gained over the last 1/2 days.
But the system has been in use a lot longer then 1/2 days so how can you be sure it hasn't been "abused" by people before.
The hype scores for upcoming games should all be reset to zero to insure a fair score now the new rules are in place.
I,m VERY MUCH disapointed with the stance uve taken.
uve have downgraded mir3 simply because loads of ppl were rating it 10 - which in my view is unjustified, simply because:
1. ppl have been eagerly waiting for mir3 for over 2yrs and like what they hearing about it and cant wait to play it. They have a right to vote it 10, its not as if the game is crap.
2. ppl with same ip address voted seprately and rightly so i might add, giving a sense of mutiple accounts. My Brother and my sister opened accounts to vote since they have played mir2 with there OWN CHARCTERS and are waiting to play mir3. They have just as much right to vote as me or anyone else.
3. How can u distinguish who voted fairly and who didnt .Ive been a regular user of this website(at least 4yrs) even though i didnt have an account as well as a regular player of mir2( since beta). why shouldnt my vote count.
we all register with forum/websiteS for a single purpse at ist.In my case it was to vote for mir3 yet ur saying that isnt right .ive got a few other forums/website accounts which i rarely use (only when i need to ) yet they dont stop/discaurage me from voting or posting.
just because a few ppl have decided to abuse the system of voting doesnt mean u should penalize all the ppl who have voted fairly. If u look at the votes not all were favourable and how can u distinguish who voted because of a post on another forum( COULD HAVE JUST REQUESTED THAT POST TO BE CLOSED). U also fail to c that some ppl on that forum were discuaraging ppl from creating multiple accounts.
4.The abuse has been going on for other games yet theyhavent been downgraded. u cant tell me ppl havent downgraded other games to boost rating for there favourite games not just mir3.
The way uve handled this situation is very poor and under current situation i wont be recommending ppl to check this site out has its seems BIASED. MIR3 has been chosen as the scapegoat for the problems with ur system of voting.
Tbh the new system sucks. When people vote simply to put down a game and after months of abuse you punish mir 3 for what? Sending users accross to vote for a game there waiting for....
Mir 3 is a huge hit in Korea and i believe it will be here
What a ridiculous statement to make.
It's obvious you have a personal grudge against the people running Mir3 and possibly the players too. As to the "see no evil, hear no evil" accusation you need too remove the blinkers because they have allowed people like myself "Kerry" to question them and their motives many times. They may not have been forthcoming with the answers we wanted but they have not stopped people asking them.
And the fact you brand a whole community idiots because they play a specific games shows you to be stupid, arrogant and misguided.
Again, let me state:
The purging of the hypes was *not* targeted at Mir3 or any game in particular. Out of the 1250 deleted hypes only 60 or so were even for Mir3. Many other games took large point losses in their hype rating.
We only deleted hypes based on how many times the user had logged into this site and what the score was they gave. Both conditions had to be met for the hype to be deleted.
Mir3 fans and fans of all the other games that got their hype deleted can re-submit it as soon as your rank is 5/100 (this is really easy to get btw).
This was the only quick solution we had to stop cheaters...note that hyping a game at 10 is totally fine with us. What is not fine is people creating bogus accounts and abusing the system to promote a particular game.
Note that our new rules to hype games are not new at all really. We have had these same rules on our rating system for released games for over 6 months now and it works very well at stopping "ballot stuffing" and cheating (although it is not perfect - it is so much better than before).
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apoligse for the mutiple posts ( could u mergs the various post on this matter)
To help resolve this arguement i suggest mir 3 votes are all deleted and start afresh with it. Its the only way to fairly represent mir3 rather than delete partial votes ( u cant tell me the rest are all genuine, especially one of them balantly saying it isnt.
That wouldn't be fair at all.
Mir3 would be on zero points and people would have to acheive a rank of 5 before they could vote for it again.
At the end of the day the people to blame for this are those that boasted they abused the hype system in the first place. By trying to help the game they have instead hindered it.
I think if you step back and look at the big picture you will see that Mir3 is actually still rated pretty nicely. You are right in the realm of some big titles like "Saga of Ryzom" and others.
Honestly, if you get your fellow Mir3 fans to come back and re-hype their game it will rise up quickly enough. With the new checks in place we now know that they will more than likely the comments of just one person and not multiple fake accounts, etc, etc.
I know the Mir3 community thinks this was somehow targeted at them - but it was not. If you looked at all the other games they all came crashing down right with Mir3.
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"Let me state again...the hypes and reviews at MMORPG.COM are meant to represent the community here - not passer-bys who link in from a forum post such as this. "
sorry i found this really funny...what community exactly? fanboys? trolls? private server owners? this place is blatantly lacking in moderators...this thread alone contains references to people owning private servers and yet none of your staff have done anything. on that note for the love of god get some grown up forum software..this is the most uniweldy one ive ever used...
the thread you were so upset by was a tongue in cheeck way of showing the players that the game was finally on mmorpg.com (we had had some problems because you wouldnt accept korean screenshots). just because it was said blatantly on the official forum you seem to have taken offence (despite the fact this has probibally been done numerous times on fansites...). also you are aware that your whole "hype" system is stupid? a game cannot be given a bad hype, as that would mean its fans arent hyped about it. the fact that almost every game out there has a rating below 7 proves that your system doesnt work...fans arent going to give a game they want to see in the charts a low rating.
also, if its that easy to get a 5/100 rating to post, then why bother having that measure in place at all?
Here are a few examples of the comments submitted by negative voters
I voted a 1 just because some stupid people on LoM3 forums all got together and voted a 10 just to get it to the top hyped MMOG's.
This game in the top 5? Not on my watch!
and it's not just Mir3, on the dark and light Hype page there is this comment
Gets a big fat one for no reason other than I think other games deserve the spot in the top 5
I believe most people who vote 1 with this attitude have the brains not to post a comment like this, so it's a much greater number then the comments suggest
this is the way it works, the LOM3 hardcore community all vote 10 (this is true for them), then alittle later the hardcore community of other games vote LoM3 1, simply to knock it down without thinking about the game at all.
Now as existing members of this forum/site outnumber the Existing members of the LoM3 of THIS site then I would imagine that LoM3 by default (or any other non-Main stream game) will get a low score.
It is simply the way this ranking system works, making it 5/100 (is that 5 posts or 100 which = 5 stars?) does not alleviate this problem due to it's existing memberbase.
Maybe I'm wrong, but that is the Impression of MMORPG's ranking system and "community" gives a new member, I expected to have to explain the advantages of a 2D graphical game...not to be flamed and LoM3 to be attacked in such a vicious way.
I see quite clearly any effort to explain the positives of this game will fall on deaf ears of a negative audience, it seems that it's not enough for "your game" to suceed but every one elses must fail.
I severely doubt anyone new to mmorpgs will find this rating system useful due to these flaws.
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http://www.totalformat.com/Guides/LOM3/guide/ this is the unofficial guide to mir3
http://www.totalformat.com/Mir3/siege.avi (right click and save) This is an ingame movie of the siege of Sabuk Wall (a Guild owned castle).