Originally posted by HebrewBomb Hey I see catapults in castle siege. Are they player driven? How many unit(s) can you control in this game at once?
Hey,
I'm not 100% sure the answers ill give here are correct as the games yet to go open beta.Siege weaponry is player driven, theirs catapults and bolt throwers I belive. (Ive not watched the movie as i'm on 56k)
When you start the game you get a choice of 3 characters, Warrior, Taoist and Sorcerer.
The warrior has the choice between multiple weapon types including axes, swords and maces. Using these weapons they can learn techniques to improve their hunting. They can also imbune their weapons with magical spirits that cause their weapons to do added damage (such as flame sword, this is a spell that causes your weapon to gain a fire spirit for a set ammount of time)
Taoists come in different forms, theirs the holy taoist who focuseses on slaying undead creatures aswell as healing and assisting his fellow players. The dark taoist deals in poisons and spells that effect the living, they are best used to slowly drain things over time. Both taoists get a range of summon spells that allow them to summon various creatures that can also level
Sorcerers, they have alot of veriety and come in ice, fire, lightning and wind/earth variations. Each focusing in its are of choice. They all have strengths and weaknesses against different creatures making it very important to get the right type of sorcerer in your party. All sorcerers can tame creatures, they have a wide variety of creatures that they can tame and level, they will help the sorcerer level and preform various tasks (some monsters can turn others to stone, or use ranged magic attacks).
So you play as 1 unit/character but have the ability to use seige weapons, minions and tamed pets depending upon the class you choose.
Originally posted by TheHiddenOne Det, I think you've over reacted. MMORPG admins, I think you seriously need to look at how many of the the 10 votes for LoM3 (and 1 votes elsewhere) are likely to have been serious abuse of the hype system. The same should go for the other games.
AGAIN - please read all of the information that has been posted. THE RECENT PUREGE WAS NOT DIRECTED AT MIR3 OR ANY GAME. We deleted 1250 hype votes, only 60 were for Mir3.
Originally posted by Crazytn This problem has been around for a long time now. I think the only reason why mmorpg.com put this in place now is because Mir3 is a 2d game and its in the top 5.
Not true at all. Anyone who knows me around here knows that I like underdogs. We pay a lot more attention to small and low budget games here...more than most other sites do. The reason this all happened is that upon reading the thread over at TF there were people admitting to creating bogus accounts and people admitting to hyping all games that were not Mir3 down to a 1.
Trust me, I know that this has been going on for a long time...or at least I strongly suspected it. However the TF topic was undeniable proof that it was happening...so we had to put a system in place to try and stop it. And we are confident this will help because it helped our rating system tremendously.
Originally posted by Detomah I was certainly not to know that there was major flaws in the hype system here at mmorpg.com as I have never used it before to the best of my knowledge and bar the one maybe 2 users that did abuse the system, none of the TF users had any intention or plan to disturb the peace or break any of this communties rules and bar the same one or two TF users, none of those votes were cast in any other way than those acceptable...
Yes this is true...and for it I apologize. There were major flaws in the hype system (and previously the rating system). However we needed a way to not only purge out the recent cheats - we had a lot of house cleaning to do for all the games. I mean, EQII lost 500 hype votes as a result...as one of my staff stated before - this likely helped out many other games because it lost a lot of "weight".
Originally posted by Detomah So what difference does it make if all the TF users come over here, post just enough times to be able to vote, then vote 10 for a game, then never come back, to what it was before these so called "fair" tweaks??? Besides the small fact that you stand to gain a whole lot of users from it, with what appears to be very little concern for a game which so far hasn't given you any advertising revenue???
Actually, I stood to gain more users by allowing people to create multiple accounts and link over hundreds of people to create accounts just to hype games. I also stood to show more advertising. However, I don't care about this - what I care about is stopping abusers...even if that means less members and less advertising. Trust me - the new rules will slow down member registrations...but I don't care.
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Originally posted by TheHiddenOne Det, I think you've over reacted. MMORPG admins, I think you seriously need to look at how many of the the 10 votes for LoM3 (and 1 votes elsewhere) are likely to have been serious abuse of the hype system. The same should go for the other games.
AGAIN - please read all of the information that has been posted. THE RECENT PUREGE WAS NOT DIRECTED AT MIR3 OR ANY GAME. We deleted 1250 hype votes, only 60 were for Mir3.
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I did read ALL the other posts and especially what you wrote about it only being 60 votes for LoM3 that got deleted and the stuff about other games being more effected than LoM3. Now, you please read all that I wrote, especially the bits you quoted that I've highlighted above in yellow. If you read that again, you should be able to see that I was suggesting you should take a look at ALL the deleted votes, not just those for LoM3.
The same was true for all games that is what I am saying. Mir3 was not singled out - and it was also not the worst affected game - some games dropped a full 2 points (Mir3 only fell 1).
Admittedly there was no fair way to purge out just the bad hypes short of reading through all 9000 hypes in the system...and that is just not an option.
The point is that people can re-do their hypes...why is that such a big deal? It is not like we banned users or blocked them from hyping. We just had to take a small step back in order to repair things.
Also, if you see someone post hype that you think is crap - let me know. I have deleted many hypes and reviews before from people that post dumb and abusive stuff...
Mir3 stood to be the least effected from this action - why? Because it is only a few days old on our list...I mean only 60 votes were wiped. In a month you won't even be able to tell this happened.
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Do you guys really think flooding our boards, spaming our rating systems and then telling us that the system sux is really helping attract ppl to the game.
The game is already a piece of crap and now you guys come over here and show us the community is crap too and full of 14 yr old fanboys
Originally posted by fulmanfu I saw that Legend of Mir3 burst into the top 5 on the hypemeter.. And i have to ask you guys, why? There wasn't even much hype for LoM when it came out 5 years ago, and this is jus rereleasing the same game It's the same game, same monsters, same graphics, same maps, same skills as the LoM released 5 years ago, with basicly just horses and some high lvl content added. This is called 'patching' not a whole new game. someone tell me what the reason for the hype?
New skills, new spells over 150 different mobs(which are not the same mob with a different name like KO) new items new quests, decent control system unlike lineage2 which has the poorest control system ever.
The only reason people seem to dislike this game is simply because it is 2d iso, if people had actually played the game they might understand how good it is, i can't understand why people "diss" a game when they have not played them!
I like 2d better than 3d is certain case.
Actually I've been arguing with someone else the other day why so many are so obsessed with rendering their game 3d.
2d can be awesome too.
This game looks like it's gonna rock.
It's like AoE + MMORPG from the look of it.
If it's true, I might as well call it first of its kind.
It's like AoE + MMORPG from the look of it. If it's true, I might as well call it first of its kind.
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AoE = Age of Empire right? If it is then no, Mir isnt like AoE.
I say its more like Lineage 2. With massive seiges, open pvp, and hard bosses. When i enter Lineage 2 I was expecting a similar game to Mir and maybe even better because its 3d. But I only stayed in L2 for like 3 monthes because of the bordom.
Only reason I quit Mir2 was because of the service and lack of patches and no way they were gona get mir 3. After 2 years of playing Mir i wasnt bored at all.
Originally posted by 43%burnt It's more like Diablo (1) stripped of all the fun parts, including the free online gameing. And that didn't change at all from LoM 1-3.
There is better FREEWARE out there.
Have you even played the game ? from your statement obviously not, was legend of mir 1 a game you made up yourself? because i am damn sure that it was never released in the west so how can you rate it without even trying it ?
Originally posted by 43%burnt It's more like Diablo (1) stripped of all the fun parts, including the free online gameing. And that didn't change at all from LoM 1-3.
There is better FREEWARE out there.
As a long time player of Diablo and Diablo 2, both online and offline for well over 6yrs, I can quite cleary and matter of factly say, that The Legend of Mir series 1, 2 and 3 bare absolutely no resemblance at all to the Diablo series other than that they are both isometric rpg style games.
I find the complete petty and basically outright nasty and vedictive approach from certain users quite sickening, and an obvious sign of a very immature and inexperienced gaming perspective.
The gaming market is full of games of different genres, different styles and different markets, along with very different mentalities, if you don't like a game, why bother to go out of your way to flame it when it's quite obvious that your input for that game is basically one of complete lack of experience regarding Legend of Mir, considering the 1st game wasn't even released to the western world and was more in the style of a cartoon rpg like Ragnarok rather then the current versions of Legend of Mir, which again is nothing like Diablo and plays in a completely different style...
Originally posted by Detomah The gaming market is full of games of different genres, different styles and different markets, along with very different mentalities, if you don't like a game, why bother to go out of your way to flame it when it's quite obvious that your input for that game is basically one of complete lack of experience regarding Legend of Mir, considering the 1st game wasn't even released to the western world and was more in the style of a cartoon rpg like Ragnarok rather then the current versions of Legend of Mir, which again is nothing like Diablo and plays in a completely different style...
I agree. If you don't like a game - try to cut back on the flames. It is ok to state "I am not interested in this game for this or that reason" - but it is important to understand that everyone is into different things. Some people feel that the content and role-playing in a game mean far more than graphics and special effects. This is why there are still thousands of people playing MUDs.
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Originally posted by 43%burnt It's more like Diablo (1) stripped of all the fun parts, including the free online gameing. And that didn't change at all from LoM 1-3.
There is better FREEWARE out there.
This is just a retarded comment, I dont know where all these ppl get this idea that Mir and Diablo are the same. I saw like 4 comments in the hype that its just another rip off of Diablo.
Why do ppl comment on games they dont know nothing about? I dont know
Well at least this thread is giving LoM3 alot of coverage
It's a pity that so many people in the MMORPG.com community seem intent on flaming each others games. At first I thought they were all like this, but during the last couple of days I realised it's just the loud mouth idiots that make the most noise and try ruin this place. They should be ashamed.
It would be nice to see more informative discussions about all the different mmorpgs.
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1. plz dont flame mir3 especaily if u havent played it at all, alot of dedicated mir fans like myself havent done it to other games.Quite the opposite i,m looking forward to maybe try WOW.
Even though mir3 is a 2d game its got alot going for it in respect of community( one of the best ), pvp (again one of the best) and game play. Ive played alot of other games lie DIABLO( its nothing like it) and DAOC, and like many other ppl have stuck with mir. Even ppl who are are playing lineage 2 etc right now are eager to play mir3. so dont assume we are stuck in our old ways and dont have any clue of other games.Its a matter of what u prefer in a game as not all games are perfect and can cater for everyone.
2. moderators i know u trying ur hardest to be fair, but mir3 taking a considerable drop on list and my brothers and friends as well as many other ppl fair vote get deleted didnt help.The situation could have been handled better tho but thats water under the bridge now.
thx for replying to my messages and all mir fans get voting
i dont understand why you think admin did not treat this fair. the hype and ratings is supposed to reflect the community of this site, all he did was make it so you have to at least spend 5 minutes(5/100 not very hard to get)to become at least small part of the community.
if you want a site that let people sign up endlessly and vote/hype thier game to the top, there are a few out there. of course the top 10 games are all script and player world games where theyg et bonus for voting...you can have that system. it keeps this site real, having the better games where they belong.
im not saying mir isnt a good game, i never did. its not like lineage2 imho, like someone claim. its alot more like lineage1, which is a better game than lineage2. i liked mir2, i like mir3, i hope these guys run it right this time(which i have major doubts right now). but step back and take an impartial look at it, do you really think a rehashed game from the late 90's belongs ahead of the games that are on the top5 right now? it doesnt, sorry to all you guys whos only posts on this site ever are on this thread.
fulmanfu, if you think about it EQ2 is a rehash from a game from the late 90's
Mir actually started in 2001 btw as you said you liked lineage1 better than lineage2 it shows that new games are not necessary better games. I belive that Mir3 is going to be better then Mir2, I played Mir3 beta which is a shadow of what it is like in Korea now. So I have great faith in it.
The latest technology can give us the best graphics but it does not improve gameplay that comes from the minds of the games creators.
Is JRR tolkiens book any less enjoyable then when it was written, is a book written by a new author better then one written by an old?
In the end we play games not to watch pretty pictures but to have fun.
I also had my doubts about QGO when I first heard of them, but after asking loads of questions and getting answers within minutes of posting I'm feeling pretty positive, not to mention the fact they made 1.5 million pound deal with BT and the servers are going to be on british telecommunication backbone. I guess being british this means a bit more to me then you...but it is Euro mir3
Originally posted by 43%burnt It's more like Diablo (1) stripped of all the fun parts, including the free online gameing. And that didn't change at all from LoM 1-3.
There is better FREEWARE out there.
*cough cough* idiot... YOU dont know ANYTHING about diablo II... If you say that its like Diablo II... did you play it?? find a REAL diablo II clone instead of picking this game for flaming the **** out of... And thats a insult to me for I am a fan of Diablo II and I play it every night (except when I am beta testing)
This is my motto: Think before you say something (and) Put more detail into what your saying about the game instead of comparing it to the best game that was made by a respectable company (Blizzard)
Originally posted by Vengi fulmanfu, if you think about it EQ2 is a rehash from a game from the late 90's
no, eq2 a sequel to a game from the late 90's. a whole new game though. mir3 IS the same game, patched/expansion pack/new episode whatever you want to call it. but still the same game.
please try to understand the following: i played lineage1 when it was only talking island, in alpha version. during the alpha/beta phase they added the mainland, from skt down to ww up to gludin/kent, orctown and elf village. later on they added giran, then heine so on and so forth. and it was always the same game, with new episodes added. If they called it a new game everytime they added one up till aden it would be on lineage 16 or somthing, but they dont becasue its STILL THE SAME GAME. lineage 2, however, is a completely different game, a sequel(prequel if you want to get technical). savy?
It's not just a case of new areas, mobs and Items, Mir3 has been reworked from the ground up, it's got a new engine, a whole new spell system, Quest system, on a deeper level it's server set up means that it is capable of handling many more uses (50,000) in one world then in Mir2. In that way it's a totally new game. If they could of made it a patch for Mir2 they would of but the differences are more then cosmetic<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Before you just had Magic attacks now just sorcerers have 4 different types of magic and Tao's have 3 different types of magic. Mobs of different lvl's of resistance and vulnerabilities to all 7 types of magic
The Differences of the two games may be more subtle then you are used to graphically but in game play terms there is large difference when it comes to tactics and playing styles.
Some of the old areas (though they are greatly changed) and mobs (they now have Resistances) are back but as there was nothing wrong with them in the first place I dont see that there is much point taking them out.
So in what way is EQ2 different then EQ?
The version you played was Pre-beta and as such you have a misconception of the game.
Originally posted by kala3 2. moderators i know u trying ur hardest to be fair, but mir3 taking a considerable drop on list and my brothers and friends as well as many other ppl fair vote get deleted didnt help.The situation could have been handled better tho but thats water under the bridge now. thx for replying to my messages and all mir fans get voting
a) Your brothers and friends can come back and hype it again. It is not like we banned anyone!
b) I feel we did the very best with the time that we had to offer. As it was I spent about 5 hours testing and implimenting the purge and updates...which was time away from my business and/or my family.
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i dont want to bash this game really i dont, but your not speaking the truth, your looking through rose colored glasses/and or/ trying to sell a game you obviously have a stake in. that much is obvious.
Originally posted by Vengi It's not just a case of new areas, mobs and Items, Mir3 has been reworked from the ground up, it's got a new engine, a whole new spell system, Quest system, on a deeper level it's server set up means that it is capable of handling many more uses (50,000) in one world then in Mir2. In that way it's a totally new game. If they could of made it a patch for Mir2 they would of but the differences are more then cosmetic
-actualy it was originally intended to be add on for mir. -high lvl maps and mobs is what is new, i.e. add on -i wouldnt call the fact you can now throw wind balls and ice balls instead of just fire balls a whole new spell system. the fact is you will still be using the good old lightning bolt over and over.
Some of the old areas (though they are greatly changed) and mobs (they now have Resistances) are back but as there was nothing wrong with them in the first place I dont see that there is much point taking them out.
i never said there was anyting wrong with them or to take them out, you just proved the point i was making. its the SAME GAME, not a new game
So in what way is EQ2 different then EQ?
now im not a huge eq fan, eq is one of the few games i never have played, and dont plan on playing eq2, but i do know, ITS A COMPLETELY NEW GAME. its like asking whats different from LoM and Lineage..2 different games, i understand from your logic its hard to comprehend
game A: some new higher lvl monsters and a huge desert game B: completely new game
ok?
The version you played was Pre-beta and as such you have a misconception of the game. This isn't the EI patch, this Is Legend of Mir 3.
how do you know what i played. they called it a beta anyway. you assume i played on some thrown together private server, i did not.
im not going to go back and forth forever on this. i never said anyting bad about this game, i already said i enjoyed the game. but the plain simple truth is, its the same game!!!! the old maps are almost identical, the character are a little more colorful wow, but same graphics same movements, same with the monsters, the towns have slight differences, same places though, mines are the same, old dungeons are the same, for the love of elvis, its not a new game, its a better version(i.e. patched, thats what patches do make old games better).
Originally posted by Vengi fulmanfu, if you think about it EQ2 is a rehash from a game from the late 90's
no, eq2 a sequel to a game from the late 90's. a whole new game though. mir3 IS the same game, patched/expansion pack/new episode whatever you want to call it. but still the same game.
please try to understand the following: i played lineage1 when it was only talking island, in alpha version. during the alpha/beta phase they added the mainland, from skt down to ww up to gludin/kent, orctown and elf village. later on they added giran, then heine so on and so forth. and it was always the same game, with new episodes added. If they called it a new game everytime they added one up till aden it would be on lineage 16 or somthing, but they dont becasue its STILL THE SAME GAME. lineage 2, however, is a completely different game, a sequel(prequel if you want to get technical). savy?
I'm sorry, I can't understand how you can argue that EQ2 is a new game but LoM3 isn't compared to their predecessors. Both contain maps that are in the previous game, both contain monsters from the previous game, both contain items from the previous game, both contain elements of gameplay from the previous version. All of this is totally expected in a sequel.
Now, both games also are built on a completely new game engine (usually a basic definition of a new game), both games have added new items, both games have added new maps, both games have added new monsters, both games have modified elements of gameplay from the original to introduce subtle (and not so subtle) changes in emphasis.
Now, you can argue over semantics but both are games building on the strengths of their predecessor.
And, as I said earlier, the single strongest thing that justifies the hype in the eyes of the people who play this genre is that LoM3 is expected to get the server stability and customer service/support that Mir2 never got. Therefore, even if you only consdier it to be the same game (which it isn't), its the same game with the chance to finally fulfil its true potential.
Originally posted by Admin Admittedly there was no fair way to purge out just the bad hypes short of reading through all 9000 hypes in the system...and that is just not an option. Mir3 stood to be the least effected from this action - why? Because it is only a few days old on our list...I mean only 60 votes were wiped. In a month you won't even be able to tell this happened.
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To answer those 2 points:
1. you only needed to look at the 1250 odd posts you eventually deleted, not all 9000 posts. But I recognise that it would still have been a hefty effort.
2. deleting 35% (60 out of a total of 160) is likely to have a lot of effect on any rating.
In any case, as you say, the hypes can be re-entered once accounts get a rating of 5/100 and I am actively encouraging people to do precisely that.
Well, I did not have the time to read 1200 comments either...LOL. My wife glared at me for all of Sunday because I spent all of Saturday working (half of it was trying to fix this mess). I know many think that MMORPG.COM is some big corporate site - but I am the only person at the moment that does development and maintenance on the site...and I already work 100+ hours a week...sorry
I think your last comment is the right attitude to have. Just have people come back and hype it again...this time we can stop the cheating. If that happens the only hypes lost will be the bad ones. Your Mir3 fans have the benefit of knowing when this took place. In addition Mir3 is incredibly new on our list - so once it has 1000+ votes what will all of this matter anyways?
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It Hyped well due to the amount of keen players who have waited for this to come out.
What started life oiut as a patch for mir2, got shelved and turned into a new game.
Mir3 is not mir to sure there are some similarities but thats where it stops.
New graphics engine, new AI, new spells and loads more.
AGAIN - please read all of the information that has been posted. THE RECENT PUREGE WAS NOT DIRECTED AT MIR3 OR ANY GAME. We deleted 1250 hype votes, only 60 were for Mir3.
Not true at all. Anyone who knows me around here knows that I like underdogs. We pay a lot more attention to small and low budget games here...more than most other sites do. The reason this all happened is that upon reading the thread over at TF there were people admitting to creating bogus accounts and people admitting to hyping all games that were not Mir3 down to a 1.
Trust me, I know that this has been going on for a long time...or at least I strongly suspected it. However the TF topic was undeniable proof that it was happening...so we had to put a system in place to try and stop it. And we are confident this will help because it helped our rating system tremendously.
Yes this is true...and for it I apologize. There were major flaws in the hype system (and previously the rating system). However we needed a way to not only purge out the recent cheats - we had a lot of house cleaning to do for all the games. I mean, EQII lost 500 hype votes as a result...as one of my staff stated before - this likely helped out many other games because it lost a lot of "weight".
Actually, I stood to gain more users by allowing people to create multiple accounts and link over hundreds of people to create accounts just to hype games. I also stood to show more advertising. However, I don't care about this - what I care about is stopping abusers...even if that means less members and less advertising. Trust me - the new rules will slow down member registrations...but I don't care.
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The same was true for all games that is what I am saying. Mir3 was not singled out - and it was also not the worst affected game - some games dropped a full 2 points (Mir3 only fell 1).
Admittedly there was no fair way to purge out just the bad hypes short of reading through all 9000 hypes in the system...and that is just not an option.
The point is that people can re-do their hypes...why is that such a big deal? It is not like we banned users or blocked them from hyping. We just had to take a small step back in order to repair things.
Also, if you see someone post hype that you think is crap - let me know. I have deleted many hypes and reviews before from people that post dumb and abusive stuff...
Mir3 stood to be the least effected from this action - why? Because it is only a few days old on our list...I mean only 60 votes were wiped. In a month you won't even be able to tell this happened.
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Do you guys really think flooding our boards, spaming our rating systems and then telling us that the system sux is really helping attract ppl to the game.
The game is already a piece of crap and now you guys come over here and show us the community is crap too and full of 14 yr old fanboys
New skills, new spells over 150 different mobs(which are not the same mob with a different name like KO) new items new quests, decent control system unlike lineage2 which has the poorest control system ever.
The only reason people seem to dislike this game is simply because it is 2d iso, if people had actually played the game they might understand how good it is, i can't understand why people "diss" a game when they have not played them!
I like 2d better than 3d is certain case.
Actually I've been arguing with someone else the other day why so many are so obsessed with rendering their game 3d.
2d can be awesome too.
This game looks like it's gonna rock.
It's like AoE + MMORPG from the look of it.
If it's true, I might as well call it first of its kind.
It's like AoE + MMORPG from the look of it.
If it's true, I might as well call it first of its kind.
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AoE = Age of Empire right?
If it is then no, Mir isnt like AoE.
I say its more like Lineage 2. With massive seiges, open pvp, and hard bosses.
When i enter Lineage 2 I was expecting a similar game to Mir and maybe even better because its 3d.
But I only stayed in L2 for like 3 monthes because of the bordom.
Only reason I quit Mir2 was because of the service and lack of patches and no way they were gona get mir 3. After 2 years of playing Mir i wasnt bored at all.
It's more like Diablo (1) stripped of all the fun parts, including the free online gameing.
And that didn't change at all from LoM 1-3.
There is better FREEWARE out there.
As a long time player of Diablo and Diablo 2, both online and offline for well over 6yrs, I can quite cleary and matter of factly say, that The Legend of Mir series 1, 2 and 3 bare absolutely no resemblance at all to the Diablo series other than that they are both isometric rpg style games.
I find the complete petty and basically outright nasty and vedictive approach from certain users quite sickening, and an obvious sign of a very immature and inexperienced gaming perspective.
The gaming market is full of games of different genres, different styles and different markets, along with very different mentalities, if you don't like a game, why bother to go out of your way to flame it when it's quite obvious that your input for that game is basically one of complete lack of experience regarding Legend of Mir, considering the 1st game wasn't even released to the western world and was more in the style of a cartoon rpg like Ragnarok rather then the current versions of Legend of Mir, which again is nothing like Diablo and plays in a completely different style...
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This is just a retarded comment, I dont know where all these ppl get this idea that Mir and Diablo are the same. I saw like 4 comments in the hype that its just another rip off of Diablo.
Why do ppl comment on games they dont know nothing about? I dont know
Well at least this thread is giving LoM3 alot of coverage
It's a pity that so many people in the MMORPG.com community seem intent on flaming each others games. At first I thought they were all like this, but during the last couple of days I realised it's just the loud mouth idiots that make the most noise and try ruin this place. They should be ashamed.
It would be nice to see more informative discussions about all the different mmorpgs.
Vengi
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http://www.totalformat.com/Guides/LOM3/guide/ this is the unofficial guide to mir3
http://www.totalformat.com/Mir3/siege.avi (right click and save) This is an ingame movie of the siege of Sabuk Wall (a Guild owned castle).
Vengi
LvL 32 Wiz on Dragon Server
LvL 23 Wiz on server 4 EI Korean Beta
http://www.totalformat.com/Guides/LOM3/guide/ this is the unofficial guide to mir3
http://www.totalformat.com/Mir3/siege.avi (right click and save) This is an ingame movie of the siege of Sabuk Wall (a Guild owned castle).
Now that ive had time to calm down just wana say:
1. plz dont flame mir3 especaily if u havent played it at all, alot of dedicated mir fans like myself havent done it to other games.Quite the opposite i,m looking forward to maybe try WOW.
Even though mir3 is a 2d game its got alot going for it in respect of community( one of the best ), pvp (again one of the best) and game play. Ive played alot of other games lie DIABLO( its nothing like it) and DAOC, and like many other ppl have stuck with mir. Even ppl who are are playing lineage 2 etc right now are eager to play mir3. so dont assume we are stuck in our old ways and dont have any clue of other games.Its a matter of what u prefer in a game as not all games are perfect and can cater for everyone.
2. moderators i know u trying ur hardest to be fair, but mir3 taking a considerable drop on list and my brothers and friends as well as many other ppl fair vote get deleted didnt help.The situation could have been handled better tho but thats water under the bridge now.
thx for replying to my messages and all mir fans get voting
i dont understand why you think admin did not treat this fair. the hype and ratings is supposed to reflect the community of this site, all he did was make it so you have to at least spend 5 minutes(5/100 not very hard to get)to become at least small part of the community.
if you want a site that let people sign up endlessly and vote/hype thier game to the top, there are a few out there. of course the top 10 games are all script and player world games where theyg et bonus for voting...you can have that system. it keeps this site real, having the better games where they belong.
im not saying mir isnt a good game, i never did. its not like lineage2 imho, like someone claim. its alot more like lineage1, which is a better game than lineage2. i liked mir2, i like mir3, i hope these guys run it right this time(which i have major doubts right now). but step back and take an impartial look at it, do you really think a rehashed game from the late 90's belongs ahead of the games that are on the top5 right now? it doesnt, sorry to all you guys whos only posts on this site ever are on this thread.
fulmanfu, if you think about it EQ2 is a rehash from a game from the late 90's
Mir actually started in 2001 btw
as you said you liked lineage1 better than lineage2 it shows that new games are not necessary better games. I belive that Mir3 is going to be better then Mir2, I played Mir3 beta which is a shadow of what it is like in Korea now. So I have great faith in it.
The latest technology can give us the best graphics but it does not improve gameplay that comes from the minds of the games creators.
Is JRR tolkiens book any less enjoyable then when it was written, is a book written by a new author better then one written by an old?
In the end we play games not to watch pretty pictures but to have fun.
I also had my doubts about QGO when I first heard of them, but after asking loads of questions and getting answers within minutes of posting I'm feeling pretty positive, not to mention the fact they made 1.5 million pound deal with BT and the servers are going to be on british telecommunication backbone. I guess being british this means a bit more to me then you...but it is Euro mir3
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Vengi
LvL 32 Wiz on Dragon Server
LvL 23 Wiz on server 4 EI Korean Beta
http://www.totalformat.com/Guides/LOM3/guide/ this is the unofficial guide to mir3
http://www.totalformat.com/Mir3/siege.avi (right click and save) This is an ingame movie of the siege of Sabuk Wall (a Guild owned castle).
Vengi
LvL 32 Wiz on Dragon Server
LvL 23 Wiz on server 4 EI Korean Beta
http://www.totalformat.com/Guides/LOM3/guide/ this is the unofficial guide to mir3
http://www.totalformat.com/Mir3/siege.avi (right click and save) This is an ingame movie of the siege of Sabuk Wall (a Guild owned castle).
*cough cough* idiot... YOU dont know ANYTHING about diablo II... If you say that its like Diablo II... did you play it?? find a REAL diablo II clone instead of picking this game for flaming the **** out of... And thats a insult to me for I am a fan of Diablo II and I play it every night (except when I am beta testing)
This is my motto: Think before you say something (and) Put more detail into what your saying about the game instead of comparing it to the best game that was made by a respectable company (Blizzard)
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no, eq2 a sequel to a game from the late 90's. a whole new game though.
mir3 IS the same game, patched/expansion pack/new episode whatever you want to call it. but still the same game.
please try to understand the following:
i played lineage1 when it was only talking island, in alpha version. during the alpha/beta phase they added the mainland, from skt down to ww up to gludin/kent, orctown and elf village. later on they added giran, then heine so on and so forth. and it was always the same game, with new episodes added. If they called it a new game everytime they added one up till aden it would be on lineage 16 or somthing, but they dont becasue its STILL THE SAME GAME.
lineage 2, however, is a completely different game, a sequel(prequel if you want to get technical). savy?
It's not just a case of new areas, mobs and Items, Mir3 has been reworked from the ground up, it's got a new engine, a whole new spell system, Quest system, on a deeper level it's server set up means that it is capable of handling many more uses (50,000) in one world then in Mir2. In that way it's a totally new game. If they could of made it a patch for Mir2 they would of but the differences are more then cosmetic<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Before you just had Magic attacks now just sorcerers have 4 different types of magic and Tao's have 3 different types of magic. Mobs of different lvl's of resistance and vulnerabilities to all 7 types of magic
The Differences of the two games may be more subtle then you are used to graphically but in game play terms there is large difference when it comes to tactics and playing styles.
Some of the old areas (though they are greatly changed) and mobs (they now have Resistances) are back but as there was nothing wrong with them in the first place I dont see that there is much point taking them out.
So in what way is EQ2 different then EQ?
The version you played was Pre-beta and as such you have a misconception of the game.
This isn't the EI patch, this Is Legend of Mir 3.
I hope you checked out the movie
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Vengi
LvL 32 Wiz on Dragon Server
LvL 23 Wiz on server 4 EI Korean Beta
http://www.totalformat.com/Guides/LOM3/guide/ this is the unofficial guide to mir3
http://www.totalformat.com/Mir3/siege.avi (right click and save) This is an ingame movie of the siege of Sabuk Wall (a Guild owned castle).
Vengi
LvL 32 Wiz on Dragon Server
LvL 23 Wiz on server 4 EI Korean Beta
http://www.totalformat.com/Guides/LOM3/guide/ this is the unofficial guide to mir3
http://www.totalformat.com/Mir3/siege.avi (right click and save) This is an ingame movie of the siege of Sabuk Wall (a Guild owned castle).
a) Your brothers and friends can come back and hype it again. It is not like we banned anyone!
b) I feel we did the very best with the time that we had to offer. As it was I spent about 5 hours testing and implimenting the purge and updates...which was time away from my business and/or my family.
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i dont want to bash this game really i dont, but your not speaking the truth, your looking through rose colored glasses/and or/ trying to sell a game you obviously have a stake in. that much is obvious.
-actualy it was originally intended to be add on for mir.-high lvl maps and mobs is what is new, i.e. add on
-i wouldnt call the fact you can now throw wind balls and ice balls instead of just fire balls a whole new spell system. the fact is you will still be using the good old lightning bolt over and over.
i never said there was anyting wrong with them or to take them out, you just proved the point i was making. its the SAME GAME, not a new game
now im not a huge eq fan, eq is one of the few games i never have played, and dont plan on playing eq2, but i do know, ITS A COMPLETELY NEW GAME. its like asking whats different from LoM and Lineage..2 different games, i understand from your logic its hard to comprehend
game A: some new higher lvl monsters and a huge desert
game B: completely new game
ok?
how do you know what i played. they called it a beta anyway
. you assume i played on some thrown together private server, i did not.
im not going to go back and forth forever on this. i never said anyting bad about this game, i already said i enjoyed the game. but the plain simple truth is, its the same game!!!! the old maps are almost identical, the character are a little more colorful wow, but same graphics same movements, same with the monsters, the towns have slight differences, same places though, mines are the same, old dungeons are the same, for the love of elvis, its not a new game, its a better version(i.e. patched, thats what patches do make old games better).
(p.s. when does beta start i want to pk you)
no, eq2 a sequel to a game from the late 90's. a whole new game though.
mir3 IS the same game, patched/expansion pack/new episode whatever you want to call it. but still the same game.
please try to understand the following:
i played lineage1 when it was only talking island, in alpha version. during the alpha/beta phase they added the mainland, from skt down to ww up to gludin/kent, orctown and elf village. later on they added giran, then heine so on and so forth. and it was always the same game, with new episodes added. If they called it a new game everytime they added one up till aden it would be on lineage 16 or somthing, but they dont becasue its STILL THE SAME GAME.
lineage 2, however, is a completely different game, a sequel(prequel if you want to get technical). savy?
I'm sorry, I can't understand how you can argue that EQ2 is a new game but LoM3 isn't compared to their predecessors. Both contain maps that are in the previous game, both contain monsters from the previous game, both contain items from the previous game, both contain elements of gameplay from the previous version. All of this is totally expected in a sequel.
Now, both games also are built on a completely new game engine (usually a basic definition of a new game), both games have added new items, both games have added new maps, both games have added new monsters, both games have modified elements of gameplay from the original to introduce subtle (and not so subtle) changes in emphasis.
Now, you can argue over semantics but both are games building on the strengths of their predecessor.
And, as I said earlier, the single strongest thing that justifies the hype in the eyes of the people who play this genre is that LoM3 is expected to get the server stability and customer service/support that Mir2 never got. Therefore, even if you only consdier it to be the same game (which it isn't), its the same game with the chance to finally fulfil its true potential.
To answer those 2 points:
1. you only needed to look at the 1250 odd posts you eventually deleted, not all 9000 posts. But I recognise that it would still have been a hefty effort.
2. deleting 35% (60 out of a total of 160) is likely to have a lot of effect on any rating.
In any case, as you say, the hypes can be re-entered once accounts get a rating of 5/100 and I am actively encouraging people to do precisely that.
Well, I did not have the time to read 1200 comments either...LOL. My wife glared at me for all of Sunday because I spent all of Saturday working (half of it was trying to fix this mess). I know many think that MMORPG.COM is some big corporate site - but I am the only person at the moment that does development and maintenance on the site...and I already work 100+ hours a week...sorry
I think your last comment is the right attitude to have. Just have people come back and hype it again...this time we can stop the cheating. If that happens the only hypes lost will be the bad ones. Your Mir3 fans have the benefit of knowing when this took place. In addition Mir3 is incredibly new on our list - so once it has 1000+ votes what will all of this matter anyways?
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