A glimpse into a PvE's mind and why I shouldn't play WAR.

Anofalye · July 2007

Imagine you have been waiting a week for this.

Finally, you are in. You are razing the enemy capital city.

At a corner, you see 5 greenskins waiting in line while the first is been butchered by an Imperial. You figure you will go there...and you are welcome about like this:

"Go away, this is MY place, we are among friends here, you are NOT welcome!" Coming from the Imperial. Yup, that would be happening. Should you insists, he would then follow up with threat of adding you to his ignore list and to call a GM for assistance so they can, continue among friends...what seems to be a pointless butchering.

And the worst part of it, I would feel justify and in my right. Next day, you could very well see a greenskin butchering 5 Imperials standing in line in your capital city and the same Imperial, currently been butchered, telling you to go away.

PvP cannot holds the best PvE rewards...see, I would not only feel right, I would feel that anyone interfering deserve a punishment. If a GM doesn't agree, we would just keep asking for support...and as you can see with my thousands of posts to the left...I am resilient!

I dunno which part of PvE been unaffected by PvP is hard to understand, but obviously it is to some devs. If PvP gives identical rewards, can't care less...exclusive...this will be happening. I won't be playing, but I can tell you some PvE players will do it...and they are not the goldfarmers, but exclusively PvE-oriented players.

w175jab · July 2007

Sounds like a bad joke?

Archin · July 2007

What?

Xanrn · July 2007

What in the name of hell are you rabbiting about?

How about laying out your point, without dumbarse inane "Story".

Dameonk · July 2007

Wow. I have no idea what you just said....

I think your post is supposed to be referring to being able to get comparable rare equipment drops from other players through RvR as well as PvE; but basically saying that someone would not want your help in RvR because you might steal their loot?

Is that correct?

And if that is what you were trying to say, what's the problem with that?

If someone says they do not want your help in RvR... um, let them die. It's their own dumb fault for trying to take on multiple enemies by themselves.

What I have gathered from the developer interviews so far it seems far more plausible that you would have a quest to kill 20 Greenskins & get a reward for doing that in RvR rather than having random drops of elite items from players.

Wagoner · July 2007

I guess you were trying to make a post about PvE players farming each other for PvP rewards? I'm going to use the example you used. I see one Order member killing 5 destrustion members in a line and he/she tells me to go away. He/she says that this is between him/her and his/her buddys. Since this is a game I would be interested in and want to succeed. I wouldn't just walk away I would attack, camp, and tell everyone I know what is happening. If its a game you enjoy you share responsibility in stopping things like this. You said that the PvE group would report and cry to Gm's so much that the Gm's would give in to it. If it is against the rules I don't care how much you cry about it. The Gm's would have no reason to give in. There is a PvE side of the game as well. You can get just as good of rewards from PvE or PvP. I'm sure people will try to do it but we as players can help stop it. I am also positive the game creators have thought of this. There will probably be certain game mechanics in place to make this not worth the time.

If I misunderstood your post please excuse me. Although I beleive its going to eb hard to find anyone who understood what point you were trying to make.

evil13 · July 2007

Oh, GMs would give in, very fast too. In fact, as soon as you tell a GM that you are just pvp farming some friends of yours and other players from your factio are interfrering, you and yoru friends would get banned for a week

Also, you seem under impression that enemies can just walk into a capital city, which is not the case, you need to first win a neutral zone, than their teir 4 zone, then unlock the city itself and only after that you can walk into enemy city. Also, seeing how there will be people on both sides killign each other your chances of getting your own place to kill each other are very small. In fact, people would talk in voice com/irs and tell the other faction that you are farmign and that they should come kill you

Last but not least, why do you play games? Pve games are played for uber items (also it's supposed to be fun to quire those uber items,because of timesinks it's generally not) But pvp games are played for fun and fun alone.

Also, war will most likely future stat caps like daoc, stat caps make it so that the diffrence between the best items and items everyone has is very small (ie. your important stats are the same, your main resists are the same, you might have some resistance caped where an average player doesn't, but unless you fight a class that uses that damage type, it doesn't matter. This isn't wow where a 150dps sword from a raid drop is always better than a 100dps sword from a quest)

So, you farm your friends for pvp points/items/exp/gold. Well, what's then? Everyone around you is having fun doing pvp and pve, while you are farming friends in pvp.... dieing from boredom wondering why you even play this game. Well, what are you going to do then? Continue to farm them for a few years? There aren't uber items for you to get. So, what's the point? You obviously won't have any fun by farming friends in pvp, so, why are you even playing? =p

Because of that and gms banning plus interference of players from both factions, this won't be a problem, although some people might do it. I do agree with you though, you shouldn't not be playing war.

Lhex · July 2007

I have absolutely no idea what your talking about.

Thedrizzle · July 2007

Originally posted by Anofalye

I dunno which part of PvE been unaffected by PvP is hard to understand, but obviously it is to some devs. If PvP gives identical rewards, can't care less...exclusive...this will be happening. I won't be playing, but I can tell you some PvE players will do it...and they are not the goldfarmers, but exclusively PvE-oriented players.

Man you love to beat a dead horse? How many posts does this forum need letting us know that you may not play WAR because you prefer pve?

Nnyan · July 2007

Man you guys are all obtuse. He was perfectly understandable with correct grammar and incredible insight and deep understanding of the MMO game dynamics.

Since you baboons are having problems with this let me propose to elucidate.

Imagine you have been waiting a week for this

Our good friend only has the capacity to remember a week. So a wait of any duration will at most be a week. Thus the week's wait.

Finally, you are in. You are razing the enemy capital city.

You all obviously missed the DEV notice about being able to raze cities just after you complete the noob zones.

At a corner, you see 5 greenskins waiting in line while the first is been butchered by an Imperial. You figure you will go there...and you are welcome about like this

Admittedly this is just a boast of his incredible peripheral vision.

"Go away, this is MY place, we are among friends here, you are NOT welcome!" Coming from the Imperial. Yup, that would be happening. Should you insists, he would then follow up with threat of adding you to his ignore list and to call a GM for assistance so they can, continue among friends...what seems to be a pointless butchering.

And the worst part of it, I would feel justify and in my right. Next day, you could very well see a greenskin butchering 5 Imperials standing in line in your capital city and the same Imperial, currently been butchered, telling you to go away.

The sharper witted members of the community will notice that this is a clever use of reverse psychology. The Imperial is obviously very tired from farming his friends all day long and wants someone to assist him. Obviously this is meant to entice the unwary from all sides.

PvP cannot holds the best PvE rewards...see, I would not only feel right, I would feel that anyone interfering deserve a punishment. If a GM doesn't agree, we would just keep asking for support...and as you can see with my thousands of posts to the left...I am resilient!

Ok so he lost me here, I think he's telling a fable about a little bunny and a vestal virgin who while on a long road trip stopped at an inn by the forest.... but I could be wrong about this. Either that or some insane blathering about GM's in the game allowing people to exploit....yeah....right....must be about the bunny and the virgin.

I dunno which part of PvE been unaffected by PvP is hard to understand, but obviously it is to some devs. If PvP gives identical rewards, can't care less...exclusive...this will be happening. I won't be playing, but I can tell you some PvE players will do it...and they are not the goldfarmers, but exclusively PvE-oriented players.

Ah here our OP goes into cold harsh irony to make his point. With some very broad strokes he paints a vivid picture that his massive imagination (did you notice the number of posts he has!?) he can not conceive of any system that can reward PvE and PvP in equal measures. So profound is his knowledge that will will have to play the game without the benefit of his massive insight.

thranmorrow · July 2007

Oh dear god,

First, you post barely makes sense

Second, if a "group of friends" decides to pvp farm each other and don't invite you kill them anyway. Then

Three, report them, farming like that will most definitly be against the rules of engagement for this game. Finally

Four, The bigest rewards will probably come from a public quest that is unlock once you take over the capital. It will involve killing in disgracing the ruling elite of the city and will be classed as in an RvR zone so that enemy players that are still in the zone will be able to interfer with it. Getting the top gear will not just be a matter of farming opposing player kills.

::EDIT:: Just noticed who the OP is, Ano, man you are the BIGGEST TROLL on this page when it comes to WAR. Please stop your NONSTOP WHINING. WAR is a PVP GAME and no amount of trolling by you will change that.

Now do us, the fans of WAR, a huge favor and go back to the EQ/WOW clone you've been playing and are scared that WAR will kill and leave us the hell alone. ::/EDIT::

Lithdov · July 2007

Anofayle, how many nonsensical topics are you going to keep spamming this forum with where you complain about the game being designed for PvP players before you get over it? You're not going to play the game, nobody cares.

BryanBoitono · July 2007

Wow, I took a doubleshot of everclear after reading the first statement and still didnt understand. I figured it would help if I was in the OPs state of mind. How can you make any predictions on GM policy? It varies from game to game as with exploiters. thats the mmo world for you.

Coir · July 2007

The one thing in your entire post that made sense.

If you look at the 1000's of posts to your left...that's when I looked and thought "yep they were correct. Empty vessels really do make the most noise."

jezvin · July 2007

You have no idea what you are talking about Anofalye.

I think you are trying to say that people will be trading kills for loot, well that’s not going to happen the info on why not is out there and you clearly don’t care enough to find it.

You have posted your inane PvE crap all the time and yet it seems you still know nothing about this game, why don’t you just stop posting already?

Deathstiny · July 2007

Somebody needs to translate this because I don't speak ignorant. I'm going to assume the OP is trying to bring up the issue of Players "farming" each other for xp/rewards? That problem got solved about 5 years ago when MMOs introduced diminsihing returns for killing the same player over and over. On top of that, nothing will stop other players from interfering with that by killing of the whole group.

But then again, this was just a rough guess. No clue what this was actually about ... please don't play WAR

Thefonz · July 2007

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Well, take note, OP did mention he is resiliant with his 6,000+ posts. So, here's how you defeat this numbskull. Stop replying to his threads and ignore him. I and every person thats interested in WAR that understands how the game works have beaten it into his head that this game is not for him and theres no need for him to continue ranting about not playing WAR cause PvE items won't be as good as PvP. He's been doing this for months and it's absurd.
SERIOUSLY! Stop reading his threads or atleast stop replying to his threas about WAR PvE vs PvP rewards.

Listen to him!!!! He speaks the truth!! If the OP has over 6000 posts he's NEVER going to change his mind however flawed it might be.

ASmith84 · July 2007

the game has War in its name. that should be enough to make this game more pvp based.

this game is mostly about pvp. even pve contributes to pvp somehow. they even said it will be all about pvp. this post was pointless. if you dont like a game thats about pvp dont play it its not that hard. why bother complaining about it?

Leocifer · July 2007

I remember either reading or hearing in one of the videos/podcast that if you keep killing the same person over and over again, you will get full credit the first time, but after that. There would be a really big lose in how much exp/faction/renown/influence.. or whateva the other things are. This is the same thing as people farming pvp to level up in WAR, they won't let something like that happen.

Leocifer · July 2007

Originally posted by Lithdov

Anofayle, how many nonsensical topics are you going to keep spamming this forum with where you complain about the game being designed for PvP players before you get over it? You're not going to play the game, nobody cares.

ah-hah, but he will play..

under a secret name like:

iunderstandnow

Anofalye · July 2007

Well,

The point is...I would feel RIGHT and justified about doing it.

And the worst thing is, you would actually lose many PvE options, with many PvE players by actually not respecting this. Many PvE groups will refuse you, and would actually tell you to go to hell once you refuse to respect this.

I am trying to make a point here, a point about PvE. A point which most of you are unable to understand.

PS: No, I will not play, because if I would, this is HOW I would play it. I just try to get you to understand, and obviously, I ain't succeeding.

WendoXXX · July 2007

i still dont understand.... are you sure you really know what you are writing.???

Anofalye · July 2007

Originally posted by Leocifer

I remember either reading or hearing in one of the videos/podcast that if you keep killing the same person over and over again, you will get full credit the first time, but after that. There would be a really big lose in how much exp/faction/renown/influence.. or whateva the other things are. This is the same thing as people farming pvp to level up in WAR, they won't let something like that happen.

But in this example, you only kill each one 1 time...now this post is not about HOW to abuse it, it is about the fact PvE players will feel RIGHT and JUSTIFIED to do it, and fear not, they will find way to farm each other...even if my example is flawed...it is only to get the topic to the point, that for these players, they are not "cheating" or "abusing the game", they are merely PvE-working.

And have no doubts that angering these players will have dire and heavy consquences if you intend to do PvE PUGs, as these players will be running these a LOT and to be "ignore by 1", will lead to be ignore by many of them, which will cut off you MANY PvE groups...

Kyleran · July 2007

Originally posted by Anofalye

Originally posted by Leocifer

I remember either reading or hearing in one of the videos/podcast that if you keep killing the same person over and over again, you will get full credit the first time, but after that. There would be a really big lose in how much exp/faction/renown/influence.. or whateva the other things are. This is the same thing as people farming pvp to level up in WAR, they won't let something like that happen.

But in this example, you only kill each one 1 time...now this post is not about HOW to abuse it, it is about the fact PvE players will feel RIGHT and JUSTIFIED to do it, and fear not, they will find way to farm each other...even if my example is flawed...it is only to get the topic to the point, that for these players, they are not "cheating" or "abusing the game", they are merely PvE-working.

And have no doubts that angering these players will have dire and heavy consquences if you intend to do PvE PUGs, as these players will be running these a LOT and to be "ignore by 1", will lead to be ignore by many of them, which will cut off you MANY PvE groups...

First of your 3 posts that makes any sort of sense... no, wait... it doesn't either... so never mind......

Don't worry, no one will be farming friends for influence, and do you really care what other people think of you in a game? So what if you miss out on a few groups...this isn't EQ so you won't need regular ones to succeed...lots of action for the PUG player...

M1sf1t · July 2007

Originally posted by thranmorrow
Oh dear god,

First, you post barely makes sense

Second, if a "group of friends" decides to pvp farm each other and don't invite you kill them anyway. Then

Three, report them, farming like that will most definitly be against the rules of engagement for this game. Finally

Four, The bigest rewards will probably come from a public quest that is unlock once you take over the capital. It will involve killing in disgracing the ruling elite of the city and will be classed as in an RvR zone so that enemy players that are still in the zone will be able to interfer with it. Getting the top gear will not just be a matter of farming opposing player kills.

::EDIT:: Just noticed who the OP is, Ano, man you are the BIGGEST TROLL on this page when it comes to WAR. Please stop your NONSTOP WHINING. WAR is a PVP GAME and no amount of trolling by you will change that.
Now do us, the fans of WAR, a huge favor and go back to the EQ/WOW clone you've been playing and are scared that WAR will kill and leave us the hell alone. ::/EDIT::

You forgot number 5 !

5.) All players will be locked into one faction when they roll onto a new server. In other words if your first character on a server is a Chaos character you will only be allowed to create Destruction characters on that server.

The majority of people who have friends online usually make sure they are on the same faction their friends are on so that they can enjoy group activities with them. Also diminishing returns would make this pretty much pointless.

butters88 · July 2007

Ok listen to me Anofalye, if you would like to go spend hours on end standing in front of 5 black orcs all day while you are a warrior priest or something and farm kill them instead of raiding capitol cities, then go ahead and waste your life on something that is completely ridiculous. In case you didn't realize this yet, this is game, and the reason you play a game is to have fun and what fun comes out of farm killing players without them fighting back? Wow, just wow. You are so strange. Stop posting about topics that are completely clueless and non-sensical. Do you have nothing better to do?

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