Korean grinders, why do people play them?

Ardus · August 2007

Seriously, i have played probably 20-30 different asian mmorpgs in my days, both Free to play and monthly fee ones.

But now i just gotten enought, i cant really belive that some people actually enjoy playing them? what is fun in klicking around and literary sit and watch your character kill mobs, while you press a self buff once each 30 minute and press a potion each 4 second?

Kill 10 mobs to gain level 2

kill 15 mobs to gain level 3

kill 20 mobs to gain level 4

kill 25 mobs to gain level 5, and get a lame self-buff skille that actually have no use (but with a pretty animation)

repeat.

Not to mention that PvP is a total JOKE in these types of games. Whoever that runs out of potions first die.

There is absolutley NO moment of skill or challange involved, just mind numbling, slow grinding. each class has about 3-4 skills total, and there is absolutley no depth, no class roles or anything.

and all asian grinders are literary the same game with just different textures. Same screwed up echonomic, same dull skill system, same controllers and crappy menu system, same boring itemization, with just a new set each 3 or 4 level.

CleffyII · August 2007

It's like playing any low-budget game. Its gonna suck.

puma713 · August 2007

Originally posted by Olle.k.90

Seriously, i have played probably 20-30 different asian mmorpgs in my days, both Free to play and monthly fee ones.
But now i just gotten enought, i cant really belive that some people actually enjoy playing them? what is fun in klicking around and literary sit and watch your character kill mobs, while you press a self buff once each 30 minute and press a potion each 4 second?

Kill 10 mobs to gain level 2
kill 15 mobs to gain level 3
kill 20 mobs to gain level 4
kill 25 mobs to gain level 5, and get a lame self-buff skille that actually have no use (but with a pretty animation)

repeat.
Not to mention that PvP is a total JOKE in these types of games. Whoever that runs out of potions first die.
There is absolutley NO moment of skill or challange involved, just mind numbling, slow grinding. each class has about 3-4 skills total, and there is absolutley no depth, no class roles or anything.
and all asian grinders are literary the same game with just different textures. Same screwed up echonomic, same dull skill system, same controllers and crappy menu system, same boring itemization, with just a new set each 3 or 4 level.

Actually, believe it or not, they're a good break from the games of the current MMO market. I've only played maybe 1 or 2, but sometimes, instead of reading a quest book full of logs, then going and killing 10 rats, returning their tails and getting a bar of experience, you stay out in the field and grind. Remember, before WoW changed the face of what MMO's used to be - EverQuest was EverGrind. There were quests, but all it really was was groups sitting at a safe spot in the zone looking for groups. It was neverending grind.

As was DAoC. Sure, it had the RvR near endgame, and once they released Darkness Falls and teh battlegrounds, it was in midgame was well - but the PvE aspect was a grindfest. Wall fins/leprechauns/pookas etc. for Hibernia - sure, it had quests as well - but quests didn't shoot you through a level. It gave you a bubble, then you had to go out and grind the other nine. To me, WoW is more dumbed down than Asian grind MMO's. They're not as basic as you described them.

And, for what you said about the useless self buff that looks pretty, but does nothing: I'd rather have a thousand buffs that look nice and do nothing than a handful of useful ones that look like crap. Maybe I'm alone in this aspect of the gaming world, but I love watching spell graphics. DAoC had amazing spells - EQ2's spells aren't bad. The animations of Lineage II are pretty good as well. I'd rather have those than have the nearly-nonexistant spell graphics in Vanguard and the split-second graphics in WoW.

You have to remember, before you post a question like this, that not everyone plays the same way you do. Some of us like the grind. Some of us would rather run around the world and kill groups of mobs, grouping with people rather than doing 4 quests a level solo and then waiting for raiding endgame. That's playing a 1-player game and then deciding to log into the world around level 70 or so. Back in the day, an MMO was just that - massively multiplayer - because if it wasn't, you couldn't get anything done. Now-a-days, if there isn't some part of the game that you can solo all the way through, people get turned off.

I love games that cater to the minority, not the masses. Catering to the masses not only dumbs down the game, but destroys the community as well, no matter how many subs you have.

Picklefoot · August 2007

Because people can get gold, and items easily via paypal or farming.

Because the armor, and skill graphics are usually awesome.

Because they don't require commitment, you can quit and come back when you want and you don't have to pay 15$ to figure out it was a stupid decision.

Perhaps they just don't like to excel so easily compared to other types of games.

Definitely because of the huge player populations at any given time. Though not helpful, it does make you feel like the game isn't going to be abandoned any time soon.

turnipz · August 2007

You talk as though western mmos like WoW take skill to play and require more than watching your guy auto attack while spamming a few skills. Risk your life is the only game out there that seems to be above that and it looks and plays like crap.

Anyways until darkfall, age of conan, or monster hunter frontier come out were stuck with the same crap whether its asian or not.

Mythokia · August 2007

Is it any different from games that are centered around quests, which tell you to kill x number of mobs, journey halfway across the world, and turn them into another guy? The only difference between the two is WHEN the XP is given to you. "Grind based" ones are immediate, you kill a mob, you get resonable xp from it. As for "quest based" ones, you kill a bunch of mobs which gives little xp, and then go back to the quest giver for the remaining bulk.

Liliane · August 2007

They are easy to make and players don't know any better games, because no-one offeres anything better.

Ardus · August 2007

Originally posted by Mythokia

Is it any different from games that are centered around quests, which tell you to kill x number of mobs, journey halfway across the world, and turn them into another guy? The only difference between the two is WHEN the XP is given to you. "Grind based" ones are immediate, you kill a mob, you get resonable xp from it. As for "quest based" ones, you kill a bunch of mobs which gives little xp, and then go back to the quest giver for the remaining bulk.

But games like LOTRO, GW and WoW have a more dynamic and "spell based" combat system, where the focus is on spells and abilites and not on autoattack

METALDRAG0N · August 2007

Originally posted by Olle.k.90

Originally posted by Mythokia

Is it any different from games that are centered around quests, which tell you to kill x number of mobs, journey halfway across the world, and turn them into another guy? The only difference between the two is WHEN the XP is given to you. "Grind based" ones are immediate, you kill a mob, you get resonable xp from it. As for "quest based" ones, you kill a bunch of mobs which gives little xp, and then go back to the quest giver for the remaining bulk.

But games like LOTRO, GW and WoW have a more dynamic and "spell based" combat system, where the focus is on spells and abilites and not on autoattack

Personally i dont like the autoattack features in games like WoW myself. As to why people paly Korean games well thats because they like them and they want to. What other reason do we need?

Torak · August 2007

Originally posted by Olle.k.90

Seriously, i have played probably 20-30 different asian mmorpgs in my days, both Free to play and monthly fee ones.
But now i just gotten enought, i cant really belive that some people actually enjoy playing them? what is fun in klicking around and literary sit and watch your character kill mobs, while you press a self buff once each 30 minute and press a potion each 4 second?

Kill 10 mobs to gain level 2
kill 15 mobs to gain level 3
kill 20 mobs to gain level 4
kill 25 mobs to gain level 5, and get a lame self-buff skille that actually have no use (but with a pretty animation)

repeat.
Not to mention that PvP is a total JOKE in these types of games. Whoever that runs out of potions first die.
There is absolutley NO moment of skill or challange involved, just mind numbling, slow grinding. each class has about 3-4 skills total, and there is absolutley no depth, no class roles or anything.
and all asian grinders are literary the same game with just different textures. Same screwed up echonomic, same dull skill system, same controllers and crappy menu system, same boring itemization, with just a new set each 3 or 4 level.

And that description is profoundly different from any western MMO...........how?

You forgot to add IMHO to everything you said.

Ardus · August 2007

Originally posted by Torak

Originally posted by Olle.k.90

Seriously, i have played probably 20-30 different asian mmorpgs in my days, both Free to play and monthly fee ones.
But now i just gotten enought, i cant really belive that some people actually enjoy playing them? what is fun in klicking around and literary sit and watch your character kill mobs, while you press a self buff once each 30 minute and press a potion each 4 second?

Kill 10 mobs to gain level 2
kill 15 mobs to gain level 3
kill 20 mobs to gain level 4
kill 25 mobs to gain level 5, and get a lame self-buff skille that actually have no use (but with a pretty animation)

repeat.
Not to mention that PvP is a total JOKE in these types of games. Whoever that runs out of potions first die.
There is absolutley NO moment of skill or challange involved, just mind numbling, slow grinding. each class has about 3-4 skills total, and there is absolutley no depth, no class roles or anything.
and all asian grinders are literary the same game with just different textures. Same screwed up echonomic, same dull skill system, same controllers and crappy menu system, same boring itemization, with just a new set each 3 or 4 level.

And that description is profoundly different from any western MMO...........how?

You forgot to add IMHO to everything you said.

Because western mmos usaly have some kind of depth

CCDeathCC · August 2007

Originally posted by Olle.k.90

Seriously, i have played probably 20-30 different asian mmorpgs in my days, both Free to play and monthly fee ones.
But now i just gotten enought, i cant really belive that some people actually enjoy playing them? what is fun in klicking around and literary sit and watch your character kill mobs, while you press a self buff once each 30 minute and press a potion each 4 second?

Kill 10 mobs to gain level 2
kill 15 mobs to gain level 3
kill 20 mobs to gain level 4
kill 25 mobs to gain level 5, and get a lame self-buff skille that actually have no use (but with a pretty animation)

repeat.
Not to mention that PvP is a total JOKE in these types of games. Whoever that runs out of potions first die.
There is absolutley NO moment of skill or challange involved, just mind numbling, slow grinding. each class has about 3-4 skills total, and there is absolutley no depth, no class roles or anything.
and all asian grinders are literary the same game with just different textures. Same screwed up echonomic, same dull skill system, same controllers and crappy menu system, same boring itemization, with just a new set each 3 or 4 level.

yes i agree with u all asian mmorpg has the same thing but FFXI and The p2p games not like eath other!!

Ardus · August 2007

FFXI is really a great game, but its very different from the most other asian MMOs if you ask me. FFXI really have depth

Roin · August 2007

Originally posted by Olle.k.90

Originally posted by Torak

Originally posted by Olle.k.90

Seriously, i have played probably 20-30 different asian mmorpgs in my days, both Free to play and monthly fee ones.
But now i just gotten enought, i cant really belive that some people actually enjoy playing them? what is fun in klicking around and literary sit and watch your character kill mobs, while you press a self buff once each 30 minute and press a potion each 4 second?

Kill 10 mobs to gain level 2
kill 15 mobs to gain level 3
kill 20 mobs to gain level 4
kill 25 mobs to gain level 5, and get a lame self-buff skille that actually have no use (but with a pretty animation)

repeat.
Not to mention that PvP is a total JOKE in these types of games. Whoever that runs out of potions first die.
There is absolutley NO moment of skill or challange involved, just mind numbling, slow grinding. each class has about 3-4 skills total, and there is absolutley no depth, no class roles or anything.
and all asian grinders are literary the same game with just different textures. Same screwed up echonomic, same dull skill system, same controllers and crappy menu system, same boring itemization, with just a new set each 3 or 4 level.

And that description is profoundly different from any western MMO...........how?

You forgot to add IMHO to everything you said.

Because western mmos usaly have some kind of depth

Sure, keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night. More depth lol.

Ardus · August 2007

Originally posted by Roin

Originally posted by Olle.k.90

Originally posted by Torak

Originally posted by Olle.k.90

Seriously, i have played probably 20-30 different asian mmorpgs in my days, both Free to play and monthly fee ones.
But now i just gotten enought, i cant really belive that some people actually enjoy playing them? what is fun in klicking around and literary sit and watch your character kill mobs, while you press a self buff once each 30 minute and press a potion each 4 second?

Kill 10 mobs to gain level 2
kill 15 mobs to gain level 3
kill 20 mobs to gain level 4
kill 25 mobs to gain level 5, and get a lame self-buff skille that actually have no use (but with a pretty animation)

repeat.
Not to mention that PvP is a total JOKE in these types of games. Whoever that runs out of potions first die.
There is absolutley NO moment of skill or challange involved, just mind numbling, slow grinding. each class has about 3-4 skills total, and there is absolutley no depth, no class roles or anything.
and all asian grinders are literary the same game with just different textures. Same screwed up echonomic, same dull skill system, same controllers and crappy menu system, same boring itemization, with just a new set each 3 or 4 level.

And that description is profoundly different from any western MMO...........how?

You forgot to add IMHO to everything you said.

Because western mmos usaly have some kind of depth

Sure, keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night. More depth lol.

Dont play stupid. Play Silkroad, then play Vanguard and try to say that Vanguard doesnt have more complex and indepth system.

METALDRAG0N · August 2007

Originally posted by Torak

Originally posted by Olle.k.90

Seriously, i have played probably 20-30 different asian mmorpgs in my days, both Free to play and monthly fee ones.
But now i just gotten enought, i cant really belive that some people actually enjoy playing them? what is fun in klicking around and literary sit and watch your character kill mobs, while you press a self buff once each 30 minute and press a potion each 4 second?

Kill 10 mobs to gain level 2
kill 15 mobs to gain level 3
kill 20 mobs to gain level 4
kill 25 mobs to gain level 5, and get a lame self-buff skille that actually have no use (but with a pretty animation)

repeat.
Not to mention that PvP is a total JOKE in these types of games. Whoever that runs out of potions first die.
There is absolutley NO moment of skill or challange involved, just mind numbling, slow grinding. each class has about 3-4 skills total, and there is absolutley no depth, no class roles or anything.
and all asian grinders are literary the same game with just different textures. Same screwed up echonomic, same dull skill system, same controllers and crappy menu system, same boring itemization, with just a new set each 3 or 4 level.

And that description is profoundly different from any western MMO...........how?

You forgot to add IMHO to everything you said.

Yep thats exactly how you play Western MMO's the OP is just in denial.

Ardus · August 2007

Originally posted by METALDRAG0N

Originally posted by Torak

Originally posted by Olle.k.90

Seriously, i have played probably 20-30 different asian mmorpgs in my days, both Free to play and monthly fee ones.
But now i just gotten enought, i cant really belive that some people actually enjoy playing them? what is fun in klicking around and literary sit and watch your character kill mobs, while you press a self buff once each 30 minute and press a potion each 4 second?

Kill 10 mobs to gain level 2
kill 15 mobs to gain level 3
kill 20 mobs to gain level 4
kill 25 mobs to gain level 5, and get a lame self-buff skille that actually have no use (but with a pretty animation)

repeat.
Not to mention that PvP is a total JOKE in these types of games. Whoever that runs out of potions first die.
There is absolutley NO moment of skill or challange involved, just mind numbling, slow grinding. each class has about 3-4 skills total, and there is absolutley no depth, no class roles or anything.
and all asian grinders are literary the same game with just different textures. Same screwed up echonomic, same dull skill system, same controllers and crappy menu system, same boring itemization, with just a new set each 3 or 4 level.

And that description is profoundly different from any western MMO...........how?

You forgot to add IMHO to everything you said.

Yep thats exactly how you play Western MMO's the OP is just in denial.

No it isnt. Show me a asian MMO except FFXI with instances, PvP ranking/honor system and a complex class and crafting system.

momodig · August 2007

CleftyII you do realize sword of the new world is a korean grinder game... lol looser

Gameloading · August 2007

Originally posted by Olle.k.90

Originally posted by METALDRAG0N

Originally posted by Torak

Originally posted by Olle.k.90

Seriously, i have played probably 20-30 different asian mmorpgs in my days, both Free to play and monthly fee ones.
But now i just gotten enought, i cant really belive that some people actually enjoy playing them? what is fun in klicking around and literary sit and watch your character kill mobs, while you press a self buff once each 30 minute and press a potion each 4 second?

Kill 10 mobs to gain level 2
kill 15 mobs to gain level 3
kill 20 mobs to gain level 4
kill 25 mobs to gain level 5, and get a lame self-buff skille that actually have no use (but with a pretty animation)

repeat.
Not to mention that PvP is a total JOKE in these types of games. Whoever that runs out of potions first die.
There is absolutley NO moment of skill or challange involved, just mind numbling, slow grinding. each class has about 3-4 skills total, and there is absolutley no depth, no class roles or anything.
and all asian grinders are literary the same game with just different textures. Same screwed up echonomic, same dull skill system, same controllers and crappy menu system, same boring itemization, with just a new set each 3 or 4 level.

And that description is profoundly different from any western MMO...........how?

You forgot to add IMHO to everything you said.

Yep thats exactly how you play Western MMO's the OP is just in denial.

No it isnt. Show me a asian MMO except FFXI with instances, PvP ranking/honor system and a complex class and crafting system.

With instances? Why the heck would you want to be taken OUT of the gameworld in a seperate gameworld?

A pvp ranking honor system? No, most asian MMO's involve around clan politics and outside world pvp. Most of them don't rely on a honor ranking system, they have a little more depth to that.

Complex class system?

iro.ragnarokonline.com/game/jobintro.asp

In Ro, the classes are just the basics. Its the only game I know where a priest can become a damage dealer if you wish to do so, a Paladin can become the main healer, or the damage dealer. This is all possible because of RO's stats, skill and equipment card customization. Its probably more deep then any other western MMO class system.

Crafting, you're not going to find much of it in asian MMO's. I can point you to some, but you probably never have heard of them and you're unable to play in english.

Gadorian · August 2007

lol can u please stop quote each other? it's getting hard to read posts

Ardus · August 2007

In Ro, the classes are just the basics. Its the only game I know where a priest can become a damage dealer if you wish to do so, a Paladin can become the main healer, or the damage dealer. This is all possible because of RO's stats, skill and equipment card customization. Its probably more deep then any other western MMO class system.

Heh, you do know that paladin is considered both a powerful tanking class and the main healer class in world of warcraft right? i play paladin as my main in WoW and i am one of the "main healers" in my raiding guild.

Priests, if specced shadow, are also considered to be the best damage dealer in the game (or somewhat second to warlocks)

The reason i want instances is that i like the idea of progression throught a dungeon as a group, working thowards a final boss/challange. IMO its just way more exciting than the typcal asian "camp a outdoor zone with a group and repidialy kill the same mobs" setup

Kyleran · August 2007

Only Korean "grinders" I've played are Lineage 1/2...and I thought they were good games other than the fact I can't devote my life to reaching the upper levels which they seem to require.

Gameloading · August 2007

Originally posted by Olle.k.90

In Ro, the classes are just the basics. Its the only game I know where a priest can become a damage dealer if you wish to do so, a Paladin can become the main healer, or the damage dealer. This is all possible because of RO's stats, skill and equipment card customization. Its probably more deep then any other western MMO class system.

Heh, you do know that paladin is considered both a powerful tanking class and the main healer class in world of warcraft right? i play paladin as my main in WoW and i am one of the "main healers" in my raiding guild.

Priests, if specced shadow, are also considered to be the best damage dealer in the game (or somewhat second to warlocks)

The reason i want instances is that i like the idea of progression throught a dungeon as a group, working thowards a final boss/challange. IMO its just way more exciting than the typcal asian "camp a outdoor zone with a group and repidialy kill the same mobs" setup

Not the way you can do it in RO. The fact you even try to compare it to WoW's paladin and priest is evidence you never played RO for a serious amount of time. you can do ANYTHING you want with your character in RO. WoW's class system is a lot more limited.

If you enjoy doing instances so much...why not just play Phantasy Star Online, Guild Wars or Diablo?

Although you can also do 1000's of "Go kill XX" quests in western MMO's. the depth is just overwhelming /sarcasm.

Ardus · August 2007

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Olle.k.90

In Ro, the classes are just the basics. Its the only game I know where a priest can become a damage dealer if you wish to do so, a Paladin can become the main healer, or the damage dealer. This is all possible because of RO's stats, skill and equipment card customization. Its probably more deep then any other western MMO class system.

Heh, you do know that paladin is considered both a powerful tanking class and the main healer class in world of warcraft right? i play paladin as my main in WoW and i am one of the "main healers" in my raiding guild.

Priests, if specced shadow, are also considered to be the best damage dealer in the game (or somewhat second to warlocks)

The reason i want instances is that i like the idea of progression throught a dungeon as a group, working thowards a final boss/challange. IMO its just way more exciting than the typcal asian "camp a outdoor zone with a group and repidialy kill the same mobs" setup

Not the way you can do it in RO. The fact you even try to compare it to WoW's paladin and priest is evidence you never played RO for a serious amount of time. you can do ANYTHING you want with your character in RO. WoW's class system is a lot more limited.

If you enjoy doing instances so much...why not just play Phantasy Star Online, Guild Wars or Diablo?

Although you can also do 1000's of "Go kill XX" quests in western MMO's. the depth is just overwhelming /sarcasm.

Being able to stack upp certain gear/stats to make your priest a damage dealer doesnt make an intresting class system to me. however, to be able to spend talent points in a talent tree to gain acess to intresting and unique spells and abilites designed for doing damage as a priest, that is pretty exciting if you ask me.

Secondly, if you played wow, wich i assume that you have done, you must somewhat agree with me when i say that doing a good instance run with a nice group is far more stimulating than camping some random mobs in a outdoor zone in Flyff.

but yes, even the western MMOs contain elements of grinding and "kill 100 xxx" quests. the thing is that in Western MMOs, this is just one part of the game, while this usally is ALL there is in a korean MMO.

WoW has a Arena system, nice dungeons, Good Crafting system and grind. Korean games have grind and FFA PvP. see my point?

Gameloading · August 2007

Originally posted by Olle.k.90

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Olle.k.90

In Ro, the classes are just the basics. Its the only game I know where a priest can become a damage dealer if you wish to do so, a Paladin can become the main healer, or the damage dealer. This is all possible because of RO's stats, skill and equipment card customization. Its probably more deep then any other western MMO class system.