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class action lawsuit.... whos in?
Drex
Member Posts: 11
SOE has wasted my time and money and I want it all back for what they did! I dont need to tell you why, its all been said before. If you agree and dont want to take it anymore...
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OMG here we go again.......
are you serious? can you let me borrow some of whatever you're smoking, pretty please?
In "Terms and Agreement" you agreed to, there may be something about ...game subject to change or something like that I would guess.
What SOE/LA did was immoral, not illegal.
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Geez if i had sued all the game developer who made me lose my time in a game and maybe had won 10% of the case i'd probably be millionaire by now. Seriously, why did you bother with this game in the first place ? Did'nt you read all the bads about it on this very site ?
Believe me, the only time SOE crossed the line, and their lawyers told them they needed to act, was with the Trials of Obi-Wan fiasco that prompted them to offer the first ever refund for an expansion, due to the very plausible and provable bait and switch scenario.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Once a denizen of Ahazi
When has that stopped a lawsuit? Remember the old bat with the McD's coffee?
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
OH pretty please follow through with this!! I need something amusing in the news, its been pretty drab lately with real news.
"Game Experience May Change During Online Play" - Back of SWG Box
When has that stopped a lawsuit? Remember the old bat with the McD's coffee?
Do you mean the "old bat" who got third degree burns on her groin so severe it required a 7-day hospital stay? That "old bat"?
McFacts about the McDonalds Coffee Lawsuit
Everyone knows what you're talking about when you mention "the McDonald's lawsuit." Even though this case was decided in August of 1994, for many Americans it continues to represent the "problem" with our civil justice system.
The business community and insurance industry have done much to perpetuate this case. They don't want us to forget it. They know it helps them convince politicians that "tort reform" and other restrictions on juries is needed. And worse, they know it poisons the minds of citizens who sit on juries.
Unfortunately, not all the facts have been communicated - facts that put the case and the monetary award to the 81-year old plaintiff in a significantly different light.
According to the Wall Street journal, McDonald's callousness was the issue and even jurors who thought the case was just a tempest in a coffee pot were overwhelmed by the evidence against the Corporation.
The facts of the case, which caused a jury of six men and six women to find McDonald's coffee was unreasonably dangerous and had caused enough human misery and suffering that no one should be made to suffer exposure to such excessively hot coffee again, will shock and amaze you:
The most important message this case has for you, the consumer, is to be aware of the potential danger posed by your early morning pick-me-up. Take extra care to make sure children do not come into contact with scalding liquid, and always look to the facts before rendering your decision about any publicized case.
Courtesy of Legal News and Views, Ohio Academy of Trial Lawyers
this statement has to do with the game rating
When has that stopped a lawsuit? Remember the old bat with the McD's coffee?
Do you mean the "old bat" who got third degree burns on her groin so severe it required a 7-day hospital stay? That "old bat"?
McFacts about the McDonalds Coffee Lawsuit
Everyone knows what you're talking about when you mention "the McDonald's lawsuit." Even though this case was decided in August of 1994, for many Americans it continues to represent the "problem" with our civil justice system.
The business community and insurance industry have done much to perpetuate this case. They don't want us to forget it. They know it helps them convince politicians that "tort reform" and other restrictions on juries is needed. And worse, they know it poisons the minds of citizens who sit on juries.
Unfortunately, not all the facts have been communicated - facts that put the case and the monetary award to the 81-year old plaintiff in a significantly different light.
According to the Wall Street journal, McDonald's callousness was the issue and even jurors who thought the case was just a tempest in a coffee pot were overwhelmed by the evidence against the Corporation.
The facts of the case, which caused a jury of six men and six women to find McDonald's coffee was unreasonably dangerous and had caused enough human misery and suffering that no one should be made to suffer exposure to such excessively hot coffee again, will shock and amaze you:
The most important message this case has for you, the consumer, is to be aware of the potential danger posed by your early morning pick-me-up. Take extra care to make sure children do not come into contact with scalding liquid, and always look to the facts before rendering your decision about any publicized case.
Courtesy of Legal News and Views, Ohio Academy of Trial Lawyers
And what is in the coffee!!! ACK!(Good luck, really.)
The most important message this case has for you, the consumer, is to be aware of the potential danger posed by your early morning pick-me-up. Take extra care to make sure children do not come into contact with scalding liquid, and always look to the facts before rendering your decision about any publicized case.
Courtesy of Legal News and Views, Ohio Academy of Trial Lawyers
And that is why they have a warning lable to begin with, it's nothing that belongs in the courts. It doesn't matter if something is a thousand degrees or a hundred and ninty, the fact is they are both HOT and both will burn the crap out of you. As much as I hate Mc Donalds, it is there freedom to serve their product their way, as it is part of what makes their business different then others. I'm sorry for the old lady, but stuff like that tends to happen in life, and sewing isn't going to change the fact that you had bad luck. It had a warning lable for a reason, to be very very very carful with, but it's no more her fault either as sometimes bad things just happen no matter how safe you try to be. This is just a part of living life and a risk you take when having your coffee.
On the other note, yes the "Game experience may change" is a disclaimer for ratting. "Other people play who may choose to say something that somehow tramatizes you, but that isn't something in our control" is what they are trying to get across.
Now a game's ELUA may have some things in there that you could believe give them the right to change a game however they please. But their perticular action, at the same time, does go directly against something they also agreed to within the ELUA and that's with relation to their promise to deliver their core product, with various advancements in the future. The agrument comes down to if we would consider the basic core gameplay as their core product, or if the core part is as small as it having something to always do with star wars.
Top Ten Most Misused Words/Phrases in MMO Industry...
An utterly meaningless and amorphous phrase that wouldn't stand any sort of scruitiny in court.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Once a denizen of Ahazi
An utterly meaningless and amorphous phrase that wouldn't stand any sort of scruitiny in court.
Nope but the EULA will, and I'm sure the EULA has something in it along the same lines.
An utterly meaningless and amorphous phrase that wouldn't stand any sort of scruitiny in court.
Nope but the EULA will, and I'm sure the EULA has something in it along the same lines.
I don't think anyone has yet taken a EULA to court to be challenged. There is considerable doubt that most EULAs would survive close scruitiny.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Once a denizen of Ahazi
Oh cmon, its getting old now.
Just go jump into a lake or something, this is getting really old with this flame war.
List of SOE lies
I know its been what.. like almost 2 years now since the NGE (lets break our game even more #2 as i like to call it) give it a freaking break already.
An utterly meaningless and amorphous phrase that wouldn't stand any sort of scruitiny in court.
Nope but the EULA will, and I'm sure the EULA has something in it along the same lines.
Actually the last time I checked (and this was a couple years ago) that phrase has held up several times. In fact, there have been almost two dozen cases brought against companies like SOE that have been thrown out of court by judges due to the EULA, that statement and other causes (including one in which the judge actually reminded the plaintiff that 'it is just a game - get a life'.
Oh, and the appeal ruling against McDonalds was ultimately overturned. They would up only paying the cost of the cup of coffee plus court costs.
The most important message this case has for you, the consumer, is to be aware of the potential danger posed by your early morning pick-me-up. Take extra care to make sure children do not come into contact with scalding liquid, and always look to the facts before rendering your decision about any publicized case.
Courtesy of Legal News and Views, Ohio Academy of Trial Lawyers
And that is why they have a warning lable to begin with, it's nothing that belongs in the courts. It doesn't matter if something is a thousand degrees or a hundred and ninty, the fact is they are both HOT and both will burn the crap out of you. As much as I hate Mc Donalds, it is there freedom to serve their product their way, as it is part of what makes their business different then others. I'm sorry for the old lady, but stuff like that tends to happen in life, and sewing isn't going to change the fact that you had bad luck. It had a warning lable for a reason, to be very very very carful with, but it's no more her fault either as sometimes bad things just happen no matter how safe you try to be. This is just a part of living life and a risk you take when having your coffee.
On the other note, yes the "Game experience may change" is a disclaimer for ratting. "Other people play who may choose to say something that somehow tramatizes you, but that isn't something in our control" is what they are trying to get across.
Now a game's ELUA may have some things in there that you could believe give them the right to change a game however they please. But their perticular action, at the same time, does go directly against something they also agreed to within the ELUA and that's with relation to their promise to deliver their core product, with various advancements in the future. The agrument comes down to if we would consider the basic core gameplay as their core product, or if the core part is as small as it having something to always do with star wars.
Just for reference, the warning label on MCDonalds coffee was put on after that lawsuit. As for suing SOE, some one else stated that any chance of that went away when they offered refunds for the ToOW expansion.
As much as many of us would like to see SOE suffer some humiliating defeat in court, it's just not going to happen with this.
Please go away. Thanks
And that is why they have a warning lable to begin with, it's nothing that belongs in the courts. It doesn't matter if something is a thousand degrees or a hundred and ninty, the fact is they are both HOT and both will burn the crap out of you. As much as I hate Mc Donalds, it is there freedom to serve their product their way, as it is part of what makes their business different then others. I'm sorry for the old lady, but stuff like that tends to happen in life, and sewing isn't going to change the fact that you had bad luck. It had a warning lable for a reason, to be very very very carful with, but it's no more her fault either as sometimes bad things just happen no matter how safe you try to be. This is just a part of living life and a risk you take when having your coffee.
The difference here is that McDoanlds has kept their coffee 20 degrees above industry standards because they knew it would make them more money and they also knew that their coffee would be signifigantly more dangerous and that it would do much more damage to their customers than if they kept coffee close to industry standards. There is a reason why other companies do not keep their coffee this hot. Because they do not want to hurt thier customers or expose them to excessive risk.
This case was quite similar to the famous Ford Motor company-Pinto case where Ford knew that if they kept their gasoline tank where it was many people would die in car accidents because the gas tank would explode which would not happen if they spent less than a $100 per car to move it to a safe place. But they decided it would be cheaper to pay out lawsuits than it would be to save lives and do the right thing and move the gas tank. Unfortunately for them they kept copies of these deliberations where the gave each additional death a numeric value, which later became available to the plaintiffs during discovery.
The same thing here happened to McDonalds they put profits ahead of the safety of their customers. People have no idea that Mcdonalds keeps their coffee at such a dangerous temperature and have no idea they are subjecting themselves to risk. Companies do and should have a responsibilty to protect their customers. McDonalds was fully aware that heating their coffee above industry standards would result in serious injuries to many of their customers which they could avoid by heating their coffee to the same temperature as everyone else. But they made the cool and calculated decision that making more money by serving the hottest and most dangerous coffee on the market was more important than protecting people from injury. Consumers do not have the experise or the knowledge to be aware of the dangers of every product they buy. Nor is it practical, efficient or economical to expect them to do so. The burden should and somewhat still is on the producers of products to make sure their products are safe and fall within thier industrys standard of safety. Although this burden has been watered down tremendously in the last 30 years.
One small note that you misunderstood. There was no warning label or anything that would have given this woman any indication that her cup of coffee was more dangerous than any other product of its type on the market . She believed and the tort reform people want you to believe she was holding a average harmless cup of coffee.
Oh BTW in rgegards to the OP's topic. While SOE may have commited by a great deal of stretching some borderline fraud in its release of NGE, its represenstation of the Jedi quest being in the game and the other outright lies it told its customers what are we talking about for damages. Almost zero. Maybe part of the cost of the purchase of the expansion and a small part of the monthly fees paid devoted to searching for the Jedi quest. But, Its hard to imagine anyones damages being in excess of $50. There is no case here and no attorney would dream of touching something like this. But lets move past the lack of damages and the lack of any reasonable cause of action. Can you imagine the costs involved in prosecuting such a lawsuit to the plaintiffs against SOE's attorneys. The cost and amount of work involved in such a suit would be enormous.
I know its been what.. like almost 2 years now since the NGE (lets break our game even more #2 as i like to call it) give it a freaking break already.
Yea well i guess some people just can never leave it alone and have to keep digging in a wound thats so old that it doesnt even hurt anymore when you scratch it
List of SOE lies
When has that stopped a lawsuit? Remember the old bat with the McD's coffee?
Do you mean the "old bat" who got third degree burns on her groin so severe it required a 7-day hospital stay? That "old bat"?
McFacts about the McDonalds Coffee Lawsuit
Everyone knows what you're talking about when you mention "the McDonald's lawsuit." Even though this case was decided in August of 1994, for many Americans it continues to represent the "problem" with our civil justice system.
The business community and insurance industry have done much to perpetuate this case. They don't want us to forget it. They know it helps them convince politicians that "tort reform" and other restrictions on juries is needed. And worse, they know it poisons the minds of citizens who sit on juries.
Unfortunately, not all the facts have been communicated - facts that put the case and the monetary award to the 81-year old plaintiff in a significantly different light.
According to the Wall Street journal, McDonald's callousness was the issue and even jurors who thought the case was just a tempest in a coffee pot were overwhelmed by the evidence against the Corporation.
The facts of the case, which caused a jury of six men and six women to find McDonald's coffee was unreasonably dangerous and had caused enough human misery and suffering that no one should be made to suffer exposure to such excessively hot coffee again, will shock and amaze you:
The most important message this case has for you, the consumer, is to be aware of the potential danger posed by your early morning pick-me-up. Take extra care to make sure children do not come into contact with scalding liquid, and always look to the facts before rendering your decision about any publicized case.
Courtesy of Legal News and Views, Ohio Academy of Trial Lawyers
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH
Coffee hurt my old naught parts... WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
There probably could be a case to be made here, with some thought. Cardinal changes precidents already exist in the Federal Arena. The problem with it is, where is your actual monatary damages? You need 1 dollar of actual damages to get into all the others. About the only way to have actual damages, that I can see, is if some1 requested and was turned down for a refund, after the Cardinal Change and due to the Cardinal Change. They then have actual damages. If you continue to play the game, useing up your sub time, you have a problem already.
Any case of this nature brought against a gaming company would have to survive summary judgement. If you could get it passed that, then the jury would decide.