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When has that stopped a lawsuit? Remember the old bat with the McD's coffee?
Do you mean the "old bat" who got third degree burns on her groin so severe it required a 7-day hospital stay? That "old bat"?
McFacts about the McDonalds Coffee Lawsuit
Everyone knows what you're talking about when you mention "the McDonald's lawsuit." Even though this case was decided in August of 1994, for many Americans it continues to represent the "problem" with our civil justice system.
The business community and insurance industry have done much to perpetuate this case. They don't want us to forget it. They know it helps them convince politicians that "tort reform" and other restrictions on juries is needed. And worse, they know it poisons the minds of citizens who sit on juries.
Unfortunately, not all the facts have been communicated - facts that put the case and the monetary award to the 81-year old plaintiff in a significantly different light.
According to the Wall Street journal, McDonald's callousness was the issue and even jurors who thought the case was just a tempest in a coffee pot were overwhelmed by the evidence against the Corporation.
The facts of the case, which caused a jury of six men and six women to find McDonald's coffee was unreasonably dangerous and had caused enough human misery and suffering that no one should be made to suffer exposure to such excessively hot coffee again, will shock and amaze you:
The most important message this case has for you, the consumer, is to be aware of the potential danger posed by your early morning pick-me-up. Take extra care to make sure children do not come into contact with scalding liquid, and always look to the facts before rendering your decision about any publicized case.
Courtesy of Legal News and Views, Ohio Academy of Trial Lawyers
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I agree with Shayde. Coffee is made with boiling water. Boiling water burns. It is common sense. I bet there isn't someone here that hasn't at one point burned their tongue on coffee or tea that they have made for themselves causing them to test it with a sip before dumping a mouthfull down their throat. The woman was 73, I'm sure some time in her life she found out coffee was hot and should be handled carefully even without a warning label that now has to be on everything to avoid liability.
Plus the "facts" above didn't mention how she spilt it. If memory serves me she was driving her sons unfamilar sportscar that had no cup holders and placed the coffee between her legs for transport. She blew off common sense and knowledge for expedience and spilled hot boiling coffee on herself. An accident for sure but something that she could have avoided if she wasn't trying maintain a beverage and drive a car at the same time.
20 degrees hotter that industry average, who cares. When it spilt even 20 degrees cooler it still would have burned. She is lucky she didn't slam into another car and hurt someone. The "cooler" burning still could have caused her to lose control and possibly hit someone. Who would be at fault then. Who has the deepest pockets to sue. The car maker for no cupholders, McD's, insurance...
In America we are sue happy. People see it as a lottery and it puts a black eye on legitimate suits such as a car maker knowengly selling cars with gas tanks that explode. You should google why American drug manufactures will not make flu vaccinations for this country and every year we get our supply from England and Canada. Thanks John Edwards. Edit: I redid my own google search and there are several sites refuting John Edwards involvement with Flu vaccinations stating no evidence. Take it fir what you will.
If I am worng about the car please correct me but I remember when this case first happend.
As far as the original poster is concerned, I think the only people here that could make a case are the ones that bought extended subscriptions based on the same information as ToOW but could not get those refunded. I'm no lawyer.
"Suddenly, thousands of Trekies whose heads are full of facts of things like the stardate when the Cardassians farted on Deep Space nine are irrlelevant." - hardcoremoviecritic
You want to know what I'm pissed about? (prolly not but oh well...)
From the hologrind forward, folks were really starting to leave the game. I'm guessing because of all the bugs and broken stuff, server stability... there was a lot wrong with the game. I myself was considering leaving for a while as well. Then came the infamous carrot "Wait for the CURB". Well, I waited for it, I paid for it. And waited and waited and waited, and kept on paying... And all that time they were stalling us buying their selves time, stalling the inevitable, they milked us. And when it was all over and said and done, we didn't get anything that they had promised us. NOTHING! They did not deliever what they had in a sense "advertised" for all that time. Pure bait and switch. They openly decieved me and everyone else. And that's what I'm pissed off about (and to all you little NGE tools, THAT'S WHY!). I don't know if that's something you can sue for, but if it ever looks like it'll happen, you can count me in.
I'm still waiting for the CURB; I paid for it, and I'm still waiting to play it. And LA/LEC/SOE won't get another penny from me until I do. They haven't done right by me, and they haven't done smack to try and make ammends, not even a simple fucking appology. Fool me once, bad on you. Fool me twice, I guess I'm just that, a fool. And my Momma didn't raise no damn fools. They can all go fuck themselves for all I care.
Classic SWG > CUNGE
if you got money to blow then go ahead.
And that is why they have a warning lable to begin with, it's nothing that belongs in the courts. It doesn't matter if something is a thousand degrees or a hundred and ninty, the fact is they are both HOT and both will burn the crap out of you. As much as I hate Mc Donalds, it is there freedom to serve their product their way, as it is part of what makes their business different then others. I'm sorry for the old lady, but stuff like that tends to happen in life, and sewing isn't going to change the fact that you had bad luck. It had a warning lable for a reason, to be very very very carful with, but it's no more her fault either as sometimes bad things just happen no matter how safe you try to be. This is just a part of living life and a risk you take when having your coffee.
The difference here is that McDoanlds has kept their coffee 20 degrees above industry standards because they knew it would make them more money and they also knew that their coffee would be signifigantly more dangerous and that it would do much more damage to their customers than if they kept coffee close to industry standards.
Am i to understand that McDonalds is a soulless and evil corporation that secretly hopes i will drive off with their coffee in my lap and promptly spill it all over myself, thusly burning myself into abject misery? Do they really wish such excrutiating pain on all of us? And how prey-tell would they 'make more money' by serving coffee 20 degrees hotter than the average? This is either the most amazing conspiracy theory i've ever heard, or you're the biggest idiot that has ever polluted the world with his thoughts and opinions. Either way, i am amused
And that is why they have a warning lable to begin with, it's nothing that belongs in the courts. It doesn't matter if something is a thousand degrees or a hundred and ninty, the fact is they are both HOT and both will burn the crap out of you. As much as I hate Mc Donalds, it is there freedom to serve their product their way, as it is part of what makes their business different then others. I'm sorry for the old lady, but stuff like that tends to happen in life, and sewing isn't going to change the fact that you had bad luck. It had a warning lable for a reason, to be very very very carful with, but it's no more her fault either as sometimes bad things just happen no matter how safe you try to be. This is just a part of living life and a risk you take when having your coffee.
The difference here is that McDoanlds has kept their coffee 20 degrees above industry standards because they knew it would make them more money and they also knew that their coffee would be signifigantly more dangerous and that it would do much more damage to their customers than if they kept coffee close to industry standards.
Am i to understand that McDonalds is a soulless and evil corporation that secretly hopes i will drive off with their coffee in my lap and promptly spill it all over myself, thusly burning myself into abject misery? Do they really wish such excrutiating pain on all of us? And how prey-tell would they 'make more money' by serving coffee 20 degrees hotter than the average? This is either the most amazing conspiracy theory i've ever heard, or you're the biggest idiot that has ever polluted the world with his thoughts and opinions. Either way, i am amused
The Idea of having hottter coffee is it would be hotter when the people reached their destination after the drive through. It was what customers did want as a whole for when they reached work. This helped bring more revenue because it is what their customers wanted.Did they do something wrong, no. Because coffee is HOT and you don't put a cup of it between your legs while driving. If you do, you take the risk you will burn yourself because coffee is HOT. Its been HOT for at least a couple of decades the last time I checked.
"Suddenly, thousands of Trekies whose heads are full of facts of things like the stardate when the Cardassians farted on Deep Space nine are irrlelevant." - hardcoremoviecritic
only applies to games that have "non-online play...." like more lag, less graphix ....... a game that you can only play online, really cant change during online play ..... its kinda stupid, although knowing SOE ......
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If you look at what rediculous things companies need to put on their manuall just to make sure people don't use their devices for things they weren't meant for , it just shows what a pathetic species whe have developed to.Appearantly in this case the granny couldn't think herself she needed others to tell her coffee is hot...that's what i mean with pathetic species.We come to a step where we just wanna be told the whole day what to or not to do and if anything goes wrong never look at yourself but blaim others.The american law systemdoesn't help there since in the US there are a lot of lawsuits going that most in europe would find odd and rediculous....but one day it'll be the same here since we seemto addapt a lot of the US.
No, we Americans as a whole think they are odd and redicuous. It's another case of the vocal minority winning out. They think it is a lottery system and I have had the displeasure of knowing people that make a living out of these types of litigation and will have nothing to do with them. They try for a settlement out of trial. People here tolerate it because for the most part they do not see it affecting their daily lives. Plus we have a jury selection system that allows them to kick people off it if before the trial starts. This allows the lawyer to esentially pick the morons that will hand out money. And by morons I mean people that aren't even smart enough to get out of jury duty.
"Suddenly, thousands of Trekies whose heads are full of facts of things like the stardate when the Cardassians farted on Deep Space nine are irrlelevant." - hardcoremoviecritic
No, we Americans as a whole think they are odd and redicuous. It's another case of the vocal minority winning out. They think it is a lottery system and I have had the displeasure of knowing people that make a living out of these types of litigation and will have nothing to do with them. They try for a settlement out of trial. People here tolerate it because for the most part they do not see it affecting their daily lives. Plus we have a jury selection system that allows them to kick people off it if before the trial starts. This allows the lawyer to esentially pick the morons that will hand out money. And by morons I mean people that aren't even smart enough to get out of jury duty.
I'd have to agree, most of us here don't approve of lawsuits like this. Don't get me wrong, if a doctor with a sketchy background leaves a scapel in you, or a major motor company leaves faulty brakes in a car, then heck yes, you deserve to sue and get what you deserve. It's stupid lawsuits like this though that make the headlines and as we all know, sensationalism sells, just as well as sex.
There is PLENTY of grounds for a class action lawsuit against SOE for the CUNGE. What it will take is an interested lawyer.
i got burnt by spending to much time on the coffee grind and the hamburguler stole all my rori avian meat... wait i'm confused.
The solution to the swg mess is not buying any further sony products and railing agains't any sony developed property in forums like these. SWG is gone, we have to suck it up and play WoW now, and we aren't supposed to enjoy a minute of it.
Blizzard's EULA and TOS were cited in Blizzard v. Bnetd.
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LMAO... are you serious OP? Get a life. Stop playing mmos.
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Of course, you can potentially sue anyone for practically anything...that's not the point. Can you get a lawyer to take the case? Could you have a "successful" outcome? I could sue the original OP for making me laugh too hard. I really could. Lord knows I would pay for it, but if I had a million dollars (make it several million) then I could try.
But who cares? I played SWG three times. I enjoyed it each time. If you are REALLY mad at SWG for messing with your Jedi that you "worked" hard to get (by working I mean sitting and playing for hours) then just do yourself a favor and pretend that the game world is REAL life and sometimes things change. Hell, pretend some disease came along and let eveyone become Jedi's from the get-go.
Adapt. If you don't like the game, there are a million out there. I guess I have a hard time understanding someone sitting around crying in his beer over a MMO.
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I loved pre-cu / pre-nge SWG.. but some of you guys need to just move on... its over.
This is from my original launch day CD before anyone tries to say they changed the EULA just prior or just after the NGE.
"You understand that we may update or otherwise enhance the Game and/or the Software at any time and in doing so incur no obligation to furnish such updates to you pursuant to this Agreement. You understand that online games evolve over time and, accordingly, system requirements to play the Game may change over time."
GL with that lawsuit.
There's no point in trying to fight a company that earns perhaps billions of dollars a year even without us I'm pissed off at what SOE did too, they have to be one of the worst companies of all to ever set foot in the games Industry with what they have done so far. I'll take my revenge the easier way, boycotting all their products and encouraging others to do the same because of the shite they try to pull constantly, I hate to say it, but unless someone has as much money as them there is no way that we could get a law suit against them simply because they have enough money to keep the case going and in the laws eyes they haven't actually done anything wrong, which is a load of bollocks obviously, they've come very close, especially with the Vanguard buyout I reckon, but I'm afraid unless they do something that's obviously illegal then they can't be touched.
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
Yep.. especially with pre-paid accounts they refused refunds to.
The EULA is worthless. Courts have already stated you cannot sign away your rights that you are guaranteed by law..
Shayde - SWG (dead)
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This was such a misunderstood lawsuit. If you research the case beyond what you've heard through casual conversations and talk radio, you'd understand why the case went the way that it did. The final damages were not nearly as high as most people seem to think, as well.
The case just seems to be a popular talking point because it gives people the opportunity to rehash the tired 'the law is crazy' spiel and shake their heads in disapproval.
You indicate that you are not an attorney, and yet you claim that a class action lawsuit would have merit. How do you know? For what it's worth, I believe that such a case would fail.
This was such a misunderstood lawsuit. If you research the case beyond what you've heard through casual conversations and talk radio, you'd understand why the case went the way that it did. The final damages were not nearly as high as most people seem to think, as well.
The case just seems to be a popular talking point because it gives people the opportunity to rehash the tired 'the law is crazy' spiel and shake their heads in disapproval.
All you really have to do to understand the details of the case is actually take the time to READ what I took the time to paste in for you...
It is a misunderstood lawsuit...
This isn't "OW DAG NABBIT SONUMABICH! I SPILLED HOT COFFEE ON ME" burned.
This is "Take a ride in an ambulance and spend the next WEEK in the hospital" burned.
Think about that and how it applies to your life...
Think about how you might spill coffee on your pecker (or other pink parts) tomorrow morning, and spend a week in the hospital, and be scarred "there" for life.
...your Summer Vacation is over, You'll spend the rest of it in the hospital.
...you can forget about playing Sports this year, you'll be in rehab, or the skin grafts will still be healing.
...you take the next month off work...unpaid. Got Rent?
...no sxx for the forseeable future.
...$20,000 Medical Bill, Due and Payable immediately.
Doesn't matter if you're 16 or 60, that's a pretty horrifying experience, when you personalize it so it's YOU being injured, innit?
Why does anyone else deserve to be treated less well than you do for the exact same circumstance?
"Because she's an old lady"?
What about when you're old? Do you think that you, too, will deserve less than you deserve now? Just because you're "old"?
Think about it.
I love the lawsuit posts for no other reason than it brings out all the SOE shills. Just kiddin
See you in the dream..
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This was such a misunderstood lawsuit. If you research the case beyond what you've heard through casual conversations and talk radio, you'd understand why the case went the way that it did. The final damages were not nearly as high as most people seem to think, as well.
The case just seems to be a popular talking point because it gives people the opportunity to rehash the tired 'the law is crazy' spiel and shake their heads in disapproval.
All you really have to do to understand the details of the case is actually take the time to READ what I took the time to paste in for you...
It is a misunderstood lawsuit...
This isn't "OW DAG NABBIT SONUMABICH! I SPILLED HOT COFFEE ON ME" burned.
This is "Take a ride in an ambulance and spend the next WEEK in the hospital" burned.
Think about that and how it applies to your life...
Think about how you might spill coffee on your pecker (or other pink parts) tomorrow morning, and spend a week in the hospital, and be scarred "there" for life.
...your Summer Vacation is over, You'll spend the rest of it in the hospital.
...you can forget about playing Sports this year, you'll be in rehab, or the skin grafts will still be healing.
...you take the next month off work...unpaid. Got Rent?
...no sxx for the forseeable future.
...$20,000 Medical Bill, Due and Payable immediately.
Doesn't matter if you're 16 or 60, that's a pretty horrifying experience, when you personalize it so it's YOU being injured, innit?
Why does anyone else deserve to be treated less well than you do for the exact same circumstance?
"Because she's an old lady"?
What about when you're old? Do you think that you, too, will deserve less than you deserve now? Just because you're "old"?
Think about it.
I didn't say she should be less treated well then me "because she is an old lady." In fact the point I was making with her age is she is sure to of had the experience in her long life to know that coffe is HOT. It is made with boiling water which burns the skin on contact. And to carelessly put boiling HOT liquids between her legs while operating a car was a risk she took when common sense tells her she could be hurt.
Puttting it between her legs was not her only option, she could have asked for a drink caddy, she could have purchased an after market cup holder prior to going to McD's, she could have left it in the pasenger seat and if it spilled it just would have stained the seat instead of burning her flesh. She as a life experienced woman had options but chose for herself to put a HOT liquid between her legs because it was expedient. She did something stupid and got tragically hurt. But it is not McD's fault because she was careless with her beverage. McD's served that coffe HOT because guess what....COFFEE IS HOT because it is made with BOILING WATER.
As for me I wouldn't sue McD's beacuase I was stupid enough to spill a boiling HOT liquid on myself because I already know that coffee is HOT and don't put it between my legs while trying to drive a car. And to this day I haven't had to go to the hospital for burning my pecker.
It would have been different if the window jockey didn't put the lid on the cup right and dumped it on her accidently from the higher drive through window. But them just making coffee HOT is not reasonable because coffe is guess what... ...supposed to be HOT.
I do feel bad for the seriousness of her injury but wether she spilled it on the car's seat and it stained or burnt herself, it was her actions that caused the damage. People know coffee can stain just as they know it is HOT. I know you might say a jury found them liable, but a jury also found O.J. not guilty.
Any way, good discussion and I hold nothing against you. I am glad you care about an individual that was hurt reguardless of whose fault it was.
Cheers
"Suddenly, thousands of Trekies whose heads are full of facts of things like the stardate when the Cardassians farted on Deep Space nine are irrlelevant." - hardcoremoviecritic
You had the right to cancel at any time. The most you could claim is 1 months subscription and only after proving they did something illegal in the last month of service you had your subscription. People need to use their brains more.
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You had the right to cancel at any time. The most you could claim is 1 months subscription and only after proving they did something illegal in the last month of service you had your subscription. People need to use their brains more.
It was clearly bait and switch. A lawsiut was more affordable than not releasing the expansion is all. (IMO) It was illegal and unethical (IMO). It was also wrong..who care about the legalities. You're judged on if you do right or wrong in the end. Having to tell your kids why everyone hates you and the company you work for is worse than any lawsuit(IMO)
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If we could actually get a lawyer that's interested in the case I would gladly support it since I'm likely to be in america within the year, the only thing about that though is if the lawyer is interested, heck I'm not even sure if I could legally get a refund because the only proof I have now of me owning a star wars galaxies account is the original box that I purchased and I use that as a constant reminder of what happened in those fateful updates whenever I can. Thank you very much crappy customer support, I actually had to phone them and get my account completely wiped in order to stop them from trying to bill me for a game I didn't want anymore, SOE are complete and utter scammers....
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.