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This republican will vote for hillary
sadeis
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I am 37 years old and have always voted republican...except for the ross perot thing....but I have never liked democrat policys...however I am looking at all the canditates and hillary seems like the only really leader out there...I might not like all her policys but she is a leader in my mind....kinda like margaret thatcher....I think that america really needs a leader right now and not just a toy president....that's it I'm done.
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So are you going to change your party affiliation to Socialist then?
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No i'm not a socialist and actually hillary is probably more corperate than anyone else out there...I don't think she is gonna ruin our world but she will be a leader..
As a guy from the UK i've always thought the republicans were frigging useless and seem to be more of a dictatorship than anything. You have to agree with all their views or they will not accept you kinda thing which is stupid. Also republicans seem more religious and you can't have religion and law mix cause that straight away chucks alot of cultures and people away who don't have the same views. If people like George Bush are Republican why would you vote that anyways? He's a useless stupid leader lol.... I hear alot of Americans go on about socalist ways and sorry but i see nothing bad about what Hillary wants and it aint a communism.
I was watching that film called "sicko" about how bad the American health care is and how Americans are scared to conve3rt to what countries like France and Canada and the UK has. Why be scared of what we have? We have all our health care for free and it's still upto a very high standard and doesn't mean you'll have to die if you can't afford a operation like in America because you can't afford it.
Tbh anyone who supports a free healthcare system like most of the world wins really.
Trouble is too many Americans are stupid and mind warped.
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Have fun voting her in. I, personally, would not vote for her even if someone held a gun up against my family. You think Bush is bad. Get her in office. H Clinton will make G Bush look like King Arthur of Camelot.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
I took the liberty of correting that for you. Have a nice day!
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Dam. Do your research first. It's communist.
well don't forget that bill is her husband...he didn't do too bad of a job so he will keep her in line.....
You need to get and read this book: "Hillery Rodam Clinton What Every American Should Know"
Or here's a link http://www.cpnys.org/HillaryTypeACU_NYSCP_09_11_06.pdf
You really have no clue and I'm actually trying to help you and anyone else that has any thought of supporting her.
Then check back here and help others understand what you have learned.
Damn straight Enigma, agree with that and well put!
It's amazing what some people will take as 'fact' from a movie.....and reveal their ignorance by their own admission.
1. I've never waiting more than 40 mins to get seen to and if theres a eemrgancy then you get seen to straight away. Don't know anyone whose had to wait months for anything.
2. Everyone pays Tax towards all this anyways, it's nothing compared to having to pay the prices you do just to get a simple operation : I like knowing my taxes are going towards saving lives anyways.
3. I can call anyone stupid if i wish to and thats why we have freedom of speech.
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RON PAUL 2008! And that comes from a swede
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im tired of this health care cebate personally. a national heath care system or independant one both have there advantages and drawbacks. period. independant health coverage from my wifes work would make it to where we couldnt pay rent right now or buy food. as im looking for work right now. thats would be 275 more a month out of her income. now with her not having health care the last time she went to the ER a charity paid her bill. close to 1500 not including meds. now for less than what she would get right now from her work for insurance taxes taken out would be less for national health care.
unless they make a standard way to make healthcare affordable for everyone even us lowly poor people and a good coverage package. not well we cover this but a baby delievery isnt covered bs. im 60lbs overwieght on there charts so for that if i went with any individual package instead of kiasers advertised price of 150 a month for there low end package because im 60lbs over my monthly goes to 425. but yet im in good cardio shape, i am a smoker, i dont drink, and yes i looked into all of this.
both parties like to point out the bad but have yet to see anyone compare the pros and cons. my grandma cant even afford her healthcare right now my mom pays it.
so to sume it up there are good and bad to both. for the lower income people of this country it would help which there are more working poor in this country than ever before. the middle class would be hit the hardest again. and the upper class will bitch cause more taxes which means i lost 100 dollars more from my bi-weekly check to poor people god forbid i help the less fortunate in this country.
oh and by the way im voting ron paul yes i am. the only thing i dont like his view on is being pro-life. also hes the only one to have a differant view on the healthcare debate. oh and he did something about it in his state.
1. I've never waiting more than 40 mins to get seen to and if theres a eemrgancy then you get seen to straight away. Don't know anyone whose had to wait months for anything.
2. Everyone pays Tax towards all this anyways, it's nothing compared to having to pay the prices you do just to get a simple operation : I like knowing my taxes are going towards saving lives anyways.
3. I can call anyone stupid if i wish to and thats why we have freedom of speech.
We had a big discussion on this a couple of weeks back.IF American healthcare is so bad then why did the former prime minister from Italy (the world's 2nd highest rated healthcare system ranked by WHO) fly to cleveland ohio to have his surgery done?
Why do Canadians come to American and pay for surgeries that they are on the waiting list to get for free in Canada?
Also why did a Canadian Supreme Court justice rule that their healthcare system wasn't constitutional? She said Access to a waiting list is not the same as Access to care.
Why do the vast majority of British, French, etc etc people with Universal healthcare also have private healthcare to cover their needs?
Why is American Healthcare rated number 1 in patient satisfaction compared to any other country in the world?
Why have American medical centers and/or American researchers win the vast majority of the Nobel Prizes in Medicine in the past 60 years?
The only thing wrong with American healthcare is how much it costs. That is it, if we could keep the current quality of healthcare and yet somehow make it affordable for all americans, our healthcare system would be 100 times better then any other system in the world. We only get ranked low because our system is expensive.
I would hate a universal healthcare system as well, it just isn't fair to those of us that can afford our healthcare. Why should I have to pay more in taxes so that others can have healthcare? I don't know them nor do I care about them. If they can't take care of themselves let their families or local communities, or local churches help them. Keep the government out of my business. What they need to do is make the Government smaller, not increase what it does.
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I love listening to American arguments, a lot of the times people will throw around the word "Liberal" like its something negative. Where almost every other part of the world it has a good meaning in other Countries.
Hilary Clinton socialist? Please. She would be a conservative in most other Countries.
IF American healthcare is so bad then why did the former prime minister from Italy (the world's 2nd highest rated healthcare system ranked by WHO) fly to cleveland ohio to have his surgery done?
Why do Canadians come to American and pay for surgeries that they are on the waiting list to get for free in Canada?
Also why did a Canadian Supreme Court justice rule that their healthcare system wasn't constitutional? She said Access to a waiting list is not the same as Access to care.
Why do the vast majority of British, French, etc etc people with Universal healthcare also have private healthcare to cover their needs?
Why is American Healthcare rated number 1 in patient satisfaction compared to any other country in the world?
Why have American medical centers and/or American researchers win the vast majority of the Nobel Prizes in Medicine in the past 60 years?
The only thing wrong with American healthcare is how much it costs. That is it, if we could keep the current quality of healthcare and yet somehow make it affordable for all americans, our healthcare system would be 100 times better then any other system in the world. We only get ranked low because our system is expensive.
I would hate a universal healthcare system as well, it just isn't fair to those of us that can afford our healthcare. Why should I have to pay more in taxes so that others can have healthcare? I don't know them nor do I care about them. If they can't take care of themselves let their families or local communities, or local churches help them. Keep the government out of my business. What they need to do is make the Government smaller, not increase what it does.
When asking only questions, it comes off as rhetoric on your part, especially the angle you are taking. "Vast majority of...." You have absolutely no evidence, nor clue, please don't act like you do. "The only thing wrong with American healthcare is how much it costs." Well of course? The very reason your healthcare system is not rated high is because it excludes many people. Every modernized Country has its own privatized healthcare institutions as well, and it may exceed the quality of those that are free, but its for a specific minority of people. "That is it, if we could keep the current quality of healthcare and yet somehow make it affordable for all americans, our healthcare system would be 100 times better then any other system in the world." This kind of sentence is generally why Americans get a bad rap, "we are the best" attitude, such a centrality of thought. I think the whole planet would applaud the United States if they could take the quality of their private institutions and make it readily available to everyone. Its one thing to talk about it, a total other to actually put it in practice. It would also be impossible to implement unless drastic spending were cut to the military.
As for anyone trying to convince others that in Canada you wait long periods of time for surgery, ive yet to experience it. And unfortunately ive had many times where ive needed the health care system. Nor have I had to wait long periods of time even if I went in with a minor issue. If i knew anyone, absolutely anyone, who told me a story where they went to the States to pay for surgery because they had to wait too long, I would be absolutely speechless. I wouldn't be able to believe it, it sounds more like a old-wives tale. I don't foresee that happening in my future.The first thing on almost any Canadians mind that comes first in our government, is our health care. If any politician came out saying he wanted to privatize it, he would have ended his political campaign right then and there.
IF American healthcare is so bad then why did the former prime minister from Italy (the world's 2nd highest rated healthcare system ranked by WHO) fly to cleveland ohio to have his surgery done?
Why do Canadians come to American and pay for surgeries that they are on the waiting list to get for free in Canada?
Also why did a Canadian Supreme Court justice rule that their healthcare system wasn't constitutional? She said Access to a waiting list is not the same as Access to care.
Why do the vast majority of British, French, etc etc people with Universal healthcare also have private healthcare to cover their needs?
Why is American Healthcare rated number 1 in patient satisfaction compared to any other country in the world?
Why have American medical centers and/or American researchers win the vast majority of the Nobel Prizes in Medicine in the past 60 years?
The only thing wrong with American healthcare is how much it costs. That is it, if we could keep the current quality of healthcare and yet somehow make it affordable for all americans, our healthcare system would be 100 times better then any other system in the world. We only get ranked low because our system is expensive.
I would hate a universal healthcare system as well, it just isn't fair to those of us that can afford our healthcare. Why should I have to pay more in taxes so that others can have healthcare? I don't know them nor do I care about them. If they can't take care of themselves let their families or local communities, or local churches help them. Keep the government out of my business. What they need to do is make the Government smaller, not increase what it does.
When asking only questions, it comes off as rhetoric on your part, especially the angle you are taking. "Vast majority of...." You have absolutely no evidence, nor clue, please don't act like you do. "The only thing wrong with American healthcare is how much it costs." Well of course? The very reason your healthcare system is not rated high is because it excludes many people. Every modernized Country has its own privatized healthcare institutions as well, and it may exceed the quality of those that are free, but its for a specific minority of people. "That is it, if we could keep the current quality of healthcare and yet somehow make it affordable for all americans, our healthcare system would be 100 times better then any other system in the world." This kind of sentence is generally why Americans get a bad rap, "we are the best" attitude, such a centrality of thought. I think the whole planet would applaud the United States if they could take the quality of their private institutions and make it readily available to everyone. Its one thing to talk about it, a total other to actually put it in practice. It would also be impossible to implement unless drastic spending were cut to the military.
As for anyone trying to convince others that in Canada you wait long periods of time for surgery, ive yet to experience it. And unfortunately ive had many times where ive needed the health care system. Nor have I had to wait long periods of time even if I went in with a minor issue. If i knew anyone, absolutely anyone, who told me a story where they went to the States to pay for surgery because they had to wait too long, I would be absolutely speechless. I wouldn't be able to believe it, it sounds more like a old-wives tale. I don't foresee that happening in my future.The first thing on almost any Canadians mind that comes first in our government, is our health care. If any politician came out saying he wanted to privatize it, he would have ended his political campaign right then and there.
First off I did state evidence - The World Health Organiztions rankings. They rank American Healthcare around 35ish (I forget the number) but they are ranked first in quality (as seen by patient satisfaction).
Also from the other thread we had about this:
Some interesting information about the great Canadian Care:
From the BBC:
Maybe you should think about some of that.
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You know sadeis, as a very devoted liberal, I'm really happy to see a Republican voter considering Hillary Clinton - not because I support her bid for nomination, but because there's a severe lack of broad-minded Republicans in this country. So even if you *do* end up supporting someone like Huckabee or Romney for the Presidential election, it makes me happy that you at least considered candidates across the aisle.
Decadentia and lyonman have got it right, and Cabe has it completely wrong. It's true that there are medical advances in America that are unavailable in the rest of the world. People from all over the world come to America to surgery for the most complex ailments. But most of us either don't have the money to afford such treatment, or can pay for it with a significant decrease in living comfort.
Cabe, your lack of evidence and partisan hackery (calling Hillary a socialist, for example), undermines your argument for anyone other than conservative Americans, because it riles you all up to think of American liberals and the rest of the world as socialists or communists. As Decadentia pointed out, you cited that a "vast majority" of people on NHS have private health care to "cover their needs". What needs do they use private health care for? Edit: I just saw the above post, apparently we started writing at the same time, where are your sources?
You guys cite Michael Moore as "socialist leftist propaganda" and "Hillary Rodham Clinton: What Every American Needs to Know" as truth. That's straight up partisan hackery. There are elements of both of those pieces that are true, and many elements in both that are out of context. The most important thing about propganda is that it allows us to see how other people perceive the world, and that's a valuable piece of information.
Cabe likes to tout the classic economic conservative argument:
"I would hate a universal healthcare system as well, it just isn't fair to those of us that can afford our healthcare. Why should I have to pay more in taxes so that others can have healthcare? I don't know them nor do I care about them. If they can't take care of themselves let their families or local communities, or local churches help them. " - Cabe
That's really the crux of it, isn't it? The above quote from Cabe is the reason why my country will never have universal health care, and the reason why my country will never help those poor people in need.
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You weren't posting mostly evidence, thats the problem. You posted a few circumstantial situations like the Italian coming to America, alongside hearsay situations. Do you know how many situations if you researched heavily enough you could post about circumstantial people going here or there. So what if the Italian came to America? Does that prove your point? Not in the least.
"Americans would do it 100 times better" Again, completely hypothetical, not saying it isn't possible. "Canadians have long wait times, and a lot of them go to the United States" Complete hearsay, and an old wives-tale. In some cases it may be true, but to act like its the norm as opposed to the exception?
I could just as easily say the very opposite in "Americans flee to Canada for free health care and to avoid the draft" Guess what, I don't think its even true, but if I wanted to I could back it up with a ton of articles, with tons of different circumstances. It doesn't make any point true. You follow it up with a partial quote from a inter-government situation between the federal government and Quebec. A province that for quite sometime has tried to have its own legislations that sometimes contradict Federal law. They ruled on it because it is unconstitutional to not allow people to attend private healthcare. Theres private healthcare in nearly every Democratic government with a healthcare system. I already stated this in my previous post.
The humorous part to all of this is, you sincerely believe that the American system is currently the best. How is the quality for the average American? Or better yet, those that cannot afford it? How do you think they would rate it? Chances are they don't get the chance to jot down their opinion. No one's system is perfect, but don't pass off your own as being god's gift to your god gifted Country, while trying to smear everyone else's.
Taking random snippets of information and mashing them together, when you don't even have a direct argument doesn't make you correct. Especially when laying down a wall of copied post, and adding a catchy last line at the end. Though the beer smiley did win me over, I guess you are right after all?
The funny thing is that you guys claim the average american doesn't have healthcare. While the average american does have healthcare. 87% of americans have health insurance and all 100% of americans have access to medical care. AS I said the WHO rates the US Healthcare to be number 1 in statisfactory service. We rate extremely low in health insurance, government spending on healthcare, and cost per american for healthcare. I am sorry that those three things do not really matter when we are talking about different types of governments. Why should countries with Universal healthcare need private healthcare as well if Universal works so well?
Things that can not be disputed:
America has the BEST cutting edge healthcare in the world. If there is a new method it most likely was developed in America either by Amercian researchers or using American funding and Amercian facilities. This is shown by the Nobel Prizes given in Medicine for one and also by Rich people coming to America for healthcare.
America has the BEST Emergency Healthcare in the World. This was stated by the WHO and other sources as well.
America has piss poor preventative medicine. We are horrible at it. Reason being that it isn't profitable.
American healthcare is not perfect, but neither is any other system that has been created. Either you provide mediocre care for all or great care for some, but no one yet has been able to provide the BEST care for everyone in their country.
If you can't see that then you are the one blinded by bias. Calling me a conservative is laughable. I have never voted for a Republican Candidate. I also have never voted for a Democratic Candidate. I am a constitutionalist. And according to those beliefs the Government should be smaller and not getting larger. They should have less involvment in our free market , not more. And they should be taking less taxes, not more. Screw people that can't take care of themsevles. I do not care. If they do not have Family willing to help them out, friends willing to help them out, or the local community willing to help them out, then they deserve where they are. Because they have obviously F'ed up royally and driven away anyone that would be willing to help them out. Why should they get a hand out from the government?
That is what is wrong with our government today. FDR royally screwed this country up and since then the Presidents after him have not repaired that damage.
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Please, even Democrats wouldn't raise taxes to that level; they'll simply maintain the status quo of deficit spending. The Federal Government is like a teenager with their first credit card. Why have a balanced budget when you can just borrow money from China?
As for Universal Healthcare, the system would fail just like the Education System. Suburban areas will benefit, while inner cities and rural areas suffer.
As to the original discussion ... Feel free to vote for whomever you want. Although I cringe a little when Hillary quotes Barry Goldwater, she's really no different from other Democratic candidates. I don't view either Clinton as a leader, they're more consensus decision makers.
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I sure do hope that our country never has universal healthcare nor that they help poor people. The problem is that our government is doing things it was never designed for. Why should we be forced to help each other out by the Government? Why can't communities keep their money in the community to help each other? Why can't we do what our fore fathers wanted and let the States take care of their residents?
I have no problem at all with States providing statewide healthcare. AS long as they can do it while maintaining effective and quality healthcare. National healthcare is not only wrong in my opinion but robbery. It is the government stealing from our individuals to provide for others. That is wrong and against the spirit on which this country was founded.
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