Apparently theres still lots of people playing....

Publish6246 · August 2007

Are they all on one server or something? I downloaded the 14 day trial to see if what everyones saying is correct and i went onto alot of the servers and there was just noone playing on them. I went to where everyone usually was when i played in Bestine cantina or Theed or Dant Mining outpost but noone. Infact the only server that i saw a busy group of people was on Bria and they were all Entertainers that were probably AFK anyways.

The game looks deader than ever but what i don't understand is how the forums have sooo many registered online users? Like the peak was around 16,000 online at one time this year!!!!!!!!!!!! Do people subscribe just to chat on the SWG forums? Are they still asking for pre cu back and getting banned? lol..

+ I went to where they had that event aswel with the demolished city (forgot the name) and some PVP capture point type things and noone there too lol.

metalcore · August 2007

As a trader I can assure you that there is a lot of people playing.

The problem is, old SWG had gathering points like waiting for a shuttle etc.

With instant travel and a huge amount of people playing the space game, the ground is often ignored.

Also with the vast amount of building (and deeds I have sold) still in place even after the clear out, there are people playing the game.

Publish6246 · August 2007

Originally posted by metalcore

As a trader I can assure you that there is a lot of people playing.
The problem is, old SWG had gathering points like waiting for a shuttle etc.
With instant travel and a huge amount of people playing the space game, the ground is often ignored.
Also with the vast amount of building (and deeds I have sold) still in place even after the clear out, there are people playing the game.

I don't like this concept of people instant traveling cause it ruins the social features the game had in place pre cu. Also i don't like how people are enjoying the horrible JTLS expansion, in my day everyone thought it sucked and many people quit cause they expected much better.

mklinic · August 2007

I can't speak for Bria, but Chalistra has had a fairly reasonable population lately. Bria and Bloodfin are -supposed- to be two of the heavier population servers though. With all the changes to the game, the main hub of activity now seems to be Mos Eisley. Pre-CU I remember being in Coronet and Theed a lot, but those cities are nowhere near as popular as they used to be it seems. The only really active cantina is Mos Eisley with the occasional stray ent in other cities.

Ultimately, it's no Pre-CU population from what I can tell, but it also isn't too bad. My crafter has a number of merchants that require consistent restocking. So, while that alone does not indicate a healthy population, it is at least encouraging.

Now don't get me wrong. I am not trying to debate what you saw. And, unfortunately, this thread as a high probability that it will devolve to just that. It's clear that when you logged in and played, regardless of peak, non-peak, or whatever, that you just weren't seeing enough people to satisfy your idea of a good population. Since this is subjective, it becomes easy for the "yes it is/no it isn't" argument to take place.

Population seems to be a real contentious issue, but I don't think it is the be all end all. I think population has merely become a tool to justify sustained anger felt regarding the major changes in this game. It's easy to forget, or see the past through rose-colored glasses. When you can look and say "the servers are dead", it is easier to feel validated that the past version of the game was superior (which many people wouldn't argue).

korvass · August 2007

Everyone thought JTLS sucked? That's a new one on me. In my experience, most people loved it, and I find it to be by far the best expansion they did. I won't go into detail, but let's look at one of the features: multi-person starships that worked. How many games have done that? How many MMOs have accomplished such a thing?

Sucked? I disagree.

Publish6246 · August 2007

Well i know when to login at peak time and just don't find anyone and only 2 servers are populated. In my mind MMO = playing with mass amounts of players and seeing like 1 or 2 here and there and then like 10 AFK people in the same room doesn't = that. Ofcorse i'm pro the old game and i'm just pointing out the game was more populated before and these changes have failed big time because all i see is a decrease in players.....

Now onto the JTLS expension i remember playing when it came out and there was mass moaning of people saying they expected more and it recieved bad reviews too from places like Gamespot. Alot of people wee hanging onto the Space game because that was Star Wars to them and when launched they all quit.

Me personally i never liked JTLS because it was badly done and just isn't fun.

Suvroc · August 2007

I would say some server mergers need to happen, but why it's taking so long I have no idea.

Vanguard has been under SOE for a few months now and their server merge is imminent.

iskar · August 2007

Here is the funny part...

At one time we had lag due to heavy population on Bria.

I like the "Oh there is people playing but you can't find them because they are XXEnterrandomstatementXX.

Look.... these spots you speak of are exactly part of the MMO feeling of people.

If you think going to Restuss, seeing 25 people stand there and dueling each other is the experience now then you will not understand what others are speaking of.

Seeing 2 -- 300 people in Theed, Coronet, Eisley was common -- THEN add in that the Cantinas were full in those cities as well, not to mention the ID tents, medical centers and so on.

BUT wait, commerce was also going on in the free trade market as well as the surounding Housing vendors that it was like a giant shopping mall on Bria in Coronet at least. Naboo was insane with vendors, housing and in city sales.

So please do not use the "Oh there is tons of people" you just cant find em cause they are all in space crap... it gets old.

ALSO some of us have begged, asked people that claim heavy population to SHOW us... take us... I have offered to log in to be escorted by a Fanboi himself then declined to be shown all these people they claim to be around.

Mind you -- Eisley cantina and Restuss, would insult myself as a example of people. (I mean really, it would just be sad to use that as the example).

This game was always odd with people.... the forums game was always more fun in most respects, plus Jedi was harder to get and earn lol.

Suvroc · August 2007

Originally posted by iskar

Seeing 2 -- 300 people in Theed, Coronet, Eisley was common -- THEN add in that the Cantinas were full in those cities as well, not to mention the ID tents, medical centers and so on.

And that was after player cities.

Remember what is was like before they were introduced?

BigBlackWook · August 2007

I have found that it is a good policy to believe about half of what people say. Not always accurate of course, but it prevents buying into someone's BS because deep down you really want to believe. SOE keeps hinting at the fact that they have 100k subs currently, while the playerbase in exile estimates that number around 50k.

50k still sounds high to me, but at the same time some people out there have money to burn, and can afford an active sub even when they aren't playing at all, but for argument's sake lets accept the 'official' number of 100k. That's down from 250-300k at the games peak. In any business model you want to show me that is a disastrous decrease in net profit.

To make a painfully long story short, their is no population, no community. Just misguided and uneducated new comers and hangers on who couldn't let go of the carrot on a stick, not matter how fetted and rotten it had become. I've jumped back in from time to time when a free trial has come down the pike, only to see that the hundreds and thousands of players on my friends lists, guild roster, and just generally around the game are nonexistant now.

They're all in space. Right.

iskar · August 2007

Originally posted by BigBlackWook

I have found that it is a good policy to believe about half of what people say. Not always accurate of course, but it prevents buying into someone's BS because deep down you really want to believe. SOE keeps hinting at the fact that they have 100k subs currently, while the playerbase in exile estimates that number around 50k.
50k still sounds high to me, but at the same time some people out there have money to burn, and can afford an active sub even when they aren't playing at all, but for argument's sake lets accept the 'official' number of 100k. That's down from 250-300k at the games peak. In any business model you want to show me that is a disastrous decrease in net profit.
To make a painfully long story short, their is no population, no community. Just misguided and uneducated new comers and hangers on who couldn't let go of the carrot on a stick, not matter how fetted and rotten it had become. I've jumped back in from time to time when a free trial has come down the pike, only to see that the hundreds and thousands of players on my friends lists, guild roster, and just generally around the game are nonexistant now.
They're all in space. Right.

Exactly... I'm just asking for some proof... I can show PROOF of nobody in the cities, thats easy... screen shots and bam. But what I don't see is all this proof of hundreds of people that they claim are playing? WHERE ARE THEY THEN? Crap show me 100 people in one spot --- Eisley as even the new spot and the only hang out would be hard pressed to even show that.

Mrbloodworth · August 2007

JTL is the best part about the game anymore, im sure thats why people are up there.

randomt · August 2007

On Bria there are thousands of people playing.

Some vets don't realise that the game it alive and going strong (well on the main servers), with people who enjoy what it is now instead of just whining for 2 years about what it used to be

dirtyd77 · August 2007

I mean we can show you guys Proof it still won't change anything. That has been the case time and time again. But here you go some screen shot taken not to long ago.

http://s180.photobucket.com/albums/x1/dfolsom77/?action=view&current=restussbattle2.jpg

http://s180.photobucket.com/albums/x1/dfolsom77/?action=view&current=restussbattle1.jpg

http://s180.photobucket.com/albums/x1/dfolsom77/?action=view&current=screenShot0016.jpg

http://s180.photobucket.com/albums/x1/dfolsom77/?action=view&current=screenShot0017.jpg

There you go!!!! Not that it matters!!

randomt · August 2007

Originally posted by Suvroc

I would say some server mergers need to happen, but why it's taking so long I have no idea.
Vanguard has been under SOE for a few months now and their server merge is imminent.

Well they can't just up and merge servers, there would be a mass amount of conflicting player structure locations... They would need to force people to abandon their plots (some of which were hard earned during the demolition thing a few months ago) and start a new land grab.. So I am assuming they haven't gotten around to it because they don't want to annoy their player base too much

jhall229 · August 2007

Originally posted by Publish6246

... Also i don't like how people are enjoying the horrible JTLS expansion....

umm, whats wrong with people enjoying it? I'm a trial member, and I love it. I think its the best part of the game so far.

CasualMaker · August 2007

Originally posted by dirtyd77

There you go!!!! Not that it matters!!

You're right, it doesn't matter. A small gathering in the server's only battlefield, and base-clubbing. You are screen-shotting game "events" and trying to sell them as "big in-game populations" to people who used to see more players at all hours of the day in any major city. Your Restuss battle has about as many people as the population of a city cantina.

dirtyd77 · August 2007

Originally posted by CasualMaker

Originally posted by dirtyd77

There you go!!!! Not that it matters!!

You're right, it doesn't matter. A small gathering in the server's only battlefield, and base-clubbing. You are screen-shotting game "events" and trying to sell them as "big in-game populations" to people who used to see more players at all hours of the day in any major city. Your Restuss battle has about as many people as the population of a city cantina.

This is where you are wrong. I am not trying to sell anything to anyone. I don't care if people come back and play or not. It does not matter in the least to me. I will have fun with the game that is now and will ride it out until the end or until something else catches my eye or I stop having things to do in game. Having fun that is all that matters to me.

Anastazious · August 2007

I have been on Bria for the better part of 3 years now. The server is alive and well. My guild and TS is packed with active players and our cities are well populated. We PvP constantly as well as our share of carebearing. Bria is still heavily populated. Who cares what a bunch of elitist whiners think. You wanna enjoy the game you will. The rest just want to drag you down to there miserable level.

Estrus · August 2007

Originally posted by Publish6246
Also i don't like how people are enjoying the horrible JTLS expansion, in my day everyone thought it sucked and many people quit cause they expected much better.

So you "don't like" that folks are playing it and having fun? Do you normally whine and moan that people are into something you're not?

randomt · August 2007

Them vets just want the game to be failing so they could point at it and yell "see?! see what soe did to the game?!" to anyone who passes by, to justify their constant whining about what used to be, and to try to convert new people to their cruisade.

The game changed, and thats all there is to it. People that play it now play it because they enjoy it. If you don't enjoy it then just don't play it, the rest of the world doesn't give a crap about how soe took away your favorite toy.

(And side note reguarding those screenshots someone posted.. when I played (up to about a week or 2 ago) I would constantly be running into groups of people like that, on different planets. Restuss was constantly active, sometimes all out battles in the middle of the starport. No matter where I went to go adventuring I'd bump into someone, if not many people. Space usually had lots of people at most times too, except in the forced pvp area.. darn carebears who think killing a few npcs make them master pilots.. pff.)

ormstunga · August 2007

Originally posted by randomt

Them vets just want the game to be failing so they could point at it and yell "see?! see what soe did to the game?!" to anyone who passes by, to justify their constant whining about what used to be, and to try to convert new people to their cruisade.

The game changed, and thats all there is to it. People that play it now play it because they enjoy it. If you don't enjoy it then just don't play it, the rest of the world doesn't give a crap about how soe took away your favorite toy.

(And side note reguarding those screenshots someone posted.. when I played (up to about a week or 2 ago) I would constantly be running into groups of people like that, on different planets. Restuss was constantly active, sometimes all out battles in the middle of the starport. No matter where I went to go adventuring I'd bump into someone, if not many people. Space usually had lots of people at most times too, except in the forced pvp area.. darn carebears who think killing a few npcs make them master pilots.. pff.)

I dont _want_ it to fail, what I want is ppl to stop coming here and proclaiming its a huge succes... because it's not. If you like it, fine, good for you. I mean, I'm not saying they should shut it down coz its a piece of crap, that would be stupid, so just play and enjoy it.

What I am saying is that they lost more then 200k subscriptions and yet ppl come here claiming the game is doing better then ever, when its obviously a f*cking lie

Everyone knows StarWars is huge when it comes to gaming, so then you gotta ask yourself, why oh why does SWG have no more then 100k subs tops (probably including trials and station pass etc)... Ye that's right, its because SOE took a great IP (the greatest?) and made a halfassed game (preCU, personally I think it was great but you have to consider the massive bugs etc) and then turned around and made it into a pile of shit (CU, NGE).

*IF you like it, play it and enjoy yourself by all means, and feel free to come here and say you personally like it in all honesty, but DONT come here trying to tell me its more succesful then ever FFS*

BigBlackWook · August 2007

Originally posted by dirtyd77

I mean we can show you guys Proof it still won't change anything. That has been the case time and time again. But here you go some screen shot taken not to long ago.
http://s180.photobucket.com/albums/x1/dfolsom77/?action=view&current=restussbattle2.jpg
http://s180.photobucket.com/albums/x1/dfolsom77/?action=view&current=restussbattle1.jpg
http://s180.photobucket.com/albums/x1/dfolsom77/?action=view&current=screenShot0016.jpg
http://s180.photobucket.com/albums/x1/dfolsom77/?action=view&current=screenShot0017.jpg

There you go!!!! Not that it matters!!

Base destruction parties don't count. That is one place in the game, once or twice a week, and it is a glaring example of how nothing works as intended still. Rebels dropping imperial bases, and vice versa, just to destroy them and cash in on the GCW points.

Three years ago you'd see this many people in practically every city. Maybe not Talus or Rori. True, they may have seen a brief inflation in numbers due to the fact that nothing out there compares to pre-cu, but in the end it is still a ghost town.

BigBlackWook · August 2007

Originally posted by randomt

Them vets just want the game to be failing so they could point at it and yell "see?! see what soe did to the game?!" to anyone who passes by, to justify their constant whining about what used to be, and to try to convert new people to their cruisade.

The game changed, and thats all there is to it. People that play it now play it because they enjoy it. If you don't enjoy it then just don't play it, the rest of the world doesn't give a crap about how soe took away your favorite toy.

(And side note reguarding those screenshots someone posted.. when I played (up to about a week or 2 ago) I would constantly be running into groups of people like that, on different planets. Restuss was constantly active, sometimes all out battles in the middle of the starport. No matter where I went to go adventuring I'd bump into someone, if not many people. Space usually had lots of people at most times too, except in the forced pvp area.. darn carebears who think killing a few npcs make them master pilots.. pff.)

Thanks for the flamebait. Forgive me if I don't bite.

Homeslice513 · August 2007

Originally posted by ormstunga
Originally posted by randomt
Them vets just want the game to be failing so they could point at it and yell "see?! see what soe did to the game?!" to anyone who passes by, to justify their constant whining about what used to be, and to try to convert new people to their cruisade.

The game changed, and thats all there is to it. People that play it now play it because they enjoy it. If you don't enjoy it then just don't play it, the rest of the world doesn't give a crap about how soe took away your favorite toy.

(And side note reguarding those screenshots someone posted.. when I played (up to about a week or 2 ago) I would constantly be running into groups of people like that, on different planets. Restuss was constantly active, sometimes all out battles in the middle of the starport. No matter where I went to go adventuring I'd bump into someone, if not many people. Space usually had lots of people at most times too, except in the forced pvp area.. darn carebears who think killing a few npcs make them master pilots.. pff.)
I dont _want_ it to fail, what I want is ppl to stop coming here and proclaiming its a huge succes... because it's not. If you like it, fine, good for you. I mean, I'm not saying they should shut it down coz its a piece of crap, that would be stupid, so just play and enjoy it.
What I am saying is that they lost more then 200k subscriptions and yet ppl come here claiming the game is doing better then ever, when its obviously a f*cking lie
Everyone knows StarWars is huge when it comes to gaming, so then you gotta ask yourself, why oh why does SWG have no more then 100k subs tops (probably including trials and station pass etc)... Ye that's right, its because SOE took a great IP (the greatest?) and made a halfassed game (preCU, personally I think it was great but you have to consider the massive bugs etc) and then turned around and made it into a pile of shit (CU, NGE).
*IF you like it, play it and enjoy yourself by all means, and feel free to come here and say you personally like it in all honesty, but DONT come here trying to tell me its more succesful then ever FFS*

You do realize most people are talking about it's success post NGE. I believe the population did drop big time after it but now it has regained some of it's population back. Not bringing it back to it's initial hay day, of course.

iskar · August 2007

Originally posted by dirtyd77

I mean we can show you guys Proof it still won't change anything. That has been the case time and time again. But here you go some screen shot taken not to long ago.
http://s180.photobucket.com/albums/x1/dfolsom77/?action=view&current=restussbattle2.jpg
http://s180.photobucket.com/albums/x1/dfolsom77/?action=view&current=restussbattle1.jpg
http://s180.photobucket.com/albums/x1/dfolsom77/?action=view&current=screenShot0016.jpg
http://s180.photobucket.com/albums/x1/dfolsom77/?action=view&current=screenShot0017.jpg

There you go!!!! Not that it matters!!

Two pictures from Restuss... as discussed before

And two from a planned pvp event.

Ok... Yep you win.

Now show me the normal players and commerce.

Show me Theed and Theed Cantina

Show me Coronet and Coronet Cantina

Show me Eisley and Eisley Cantina

Show me Dant and the Dant Cantina

Show me a active player city

Show me a active medical center

Show me Lok spaceport or Endor

Because the photos I have from a couple months ago do NOT reflect what you see in yours.

In fact, by doing a search I did not find anyone as well.

Bria does NOT have thousands of people playing. At least back up that thousand -with a screen shot, or better yet -- just 400 people will do. I dont even need to see the proof of the "thousands"....

Don't worry you wont be able to , that has been the case time and time again.

I saw people in Restuss too... but yeah, that was about it, Eisley as well.... but yeah its like proving that the Titanic sunk.

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