What kind of bullshit is this? Since you provoked this, here are the correct numbers:
Fees for an SA in Greece, (means publications in Government paper and some operating routines) aprox. Eur 1500 -3000 Then your maid and her husband (you need min 2 shareholders) can start one
the $40000 you are referring is something like Eur50000, but this is the min amount of deposits in the company, that means its starting capital. From this, that maid and her husband, places some 30k in a deposit as a guarantee for that company and the rest are running company expenses. The company's ONLY obligation is against those 30k. Therefore, from the starting investment of 50k only 30k are needed, and you dont lose that cash. From then on, company's logistics take over and you issue balance every year. Aventurine, since it is an SA, publicizes its balance every year, and is by low obligated to show this to a couple of newspapers. Means It is not a secret anymore. Can you show us financial results of this company issued on its 2006 balance? Then we will understand about all this rumors of a defense contractor (lol)
You also need a host of a lot of other expenses like an accountant and such, offices (even a garage works) but it really is piss easy to start any kind of company anywhere in the world. I never even implied that Aventurine wasn't a registered company, and the reason is, that its SO easy to make one... They can sell their cars and start one. Its that easy.
Now for your "product" : this is something conceived 10 years ago. It's too old. History says that it didnt make it as a final product for 10 years, therefore one can easily assume that it will simply NEVER make it. As time passes by, argument is getting stronger and stronger. Even if it does come out in the year 3589AD this doesn't mean it will succeed. What is worst is, that unfortunately if it fails devs will realize that all this is futile, particularly after all this pursuing of an idea for almost 10 years
Since you provoked this, here are the correct numbers: Fees for an SA in Greece, (means publications in Government paper and some operating routines) aprox. Eur 1500 -3000
Then your maid and her husband (you need min 2 shareholders) can start one the $40000 you are referring is something like Eur50000, but this is the min amount of deposits in the company, that means its starting capital. From this, that maid and her husband, places some 30k in a deposit as a guarantee for that company and the rest are running company expenses. The company's ONLY obligation is against those 30k. Therefore, from the starting investment of 50k only 30k are needed, and you dont lose that cash. From then on, company's logistics take over and you issue balance every year. Aventurine, since it is an SA, publicizes its balance every year, and is by low obligated to show this to a couple of newspapers. Means It is not a secret anymore. Can you show us financial results of this company issued on its 2006 balance? Then we will understand about all this rumors of a defense contractor (lol) You also need a host of a lot of other expenses like an accountant and such, offices (even a garage works) but it really is piss easy to start any kind of company anywhere in the world. I never even implied that Aventurine wasn't a registered company, and the reason is, that its SO easy to make one... They can sell their cars and start one. Its that easy. Now for your "product" : this is something conceived 10 years ago. It's too old. History says that it didnt make it as a final product for 10 years, therefore one can easily assume that it will simply NEVER make it. As time passes by, argument is getting stronger and stronger. Even if it does come out in the year 3589AD this doesn't mean it will succeed. What is worst is, that unfortunately if it fails devs will realize that all this is futile, particularly after all this pursuing of an idea for almost 10 years
Who says I do care? What difference does it make what I do?
Searching a bit more I found their recent announcement, what it appears a "press release" about their company profile. You can find it in this link here : http://www.presspoint.gr/release.asp?id=111351 In this announcement, there is a vague company description, which in Greek it says something like: ---here are some excerpts of their announcement, comments are mine---
......... Aventurine SA is the first company in Greece producing Computer and video games ........ (<--- this is colossal . They produce or manufacture the FIRST computer in Greece? OR is it the FIRST computer game in Greece? Its intentionally VERY vague. In strict Greek translation this means that they have produced THE FIRST computer AND video games, which BOTH are false. They haven't produced anything. What is more, you can all see that THERE IS NO MENTIONING OF DEFENSE CONTRACTORS OR ANYTHING, so we can forget about this myth and move on
......... It's first game ever is DF, THE most anticipated mmorpg globaly ......... (<--- this is vaporware, it's not even released, therefore this company has made nothing still)
And what do you expect that you are proving? even if you are right it goes no where near proving that Adventurine isn't making Darkfall you are just reading what you wish from very very lose facts and opinions.
I know people from Greece and they knew about the company Adventurine even though they didn't know about Darkfall, I know people that have been to Adventurine and seen these things with their own eyes. You of course will not believe me but then you wouldn't even believe it if you had the game in you're hands.
I remember Google getting 25 million investment -99. The company was founded -98.
End of discussion.
and google is worth how much today? I guess you wanted to point out how promising Darkfall is that it can be expected to be worth over a billion dollars in a few years.
<blockquote><i>Originally posted by Krogan</i> <br><b><blockquote><em>Originally posted by ndpunch</em> <br /> <strong> <p>I remember Google getting 25 million investment -99.</p> <p>The company was founded -98.</p> <p> </p> <p>End of discussion.</p> <p> </p> <p> </p> </strong></blockquote> <p>and google is worth how much today? I guess you wanted to point out how promising Darkfall is that it can be expected to be worth over a billion dollars in a few years.</p></b></blockquote>
lets see about that: Lets hypothesize that their subscription (when this comes out) is say $10 per month per player. Lets suppose that they will make that billion in 5 years (a lot of time some will say ...)
So, $10 x 12 months= $120 p.a. 1.000.000.000 $ / 120$ equals, 8.4 million players, or 1.7 million players for 5 years kinda difficult don't you think?
I am not proving anything. These are their comments not mine
This 20 Million Euro loan is recent, fact is no one gives away money for free or just throws money away. Convertible bond is really an option, it can be paid back or exchanged for shares. The money that they received from this will be used on self publishing, which they are going to do since they have not been able to find a publisher suitable enough and or flexible enough to get their product shipped and marketed.
I don't know allot about publishing companies, but one thing I do know is that when a publisher invests in a project it wants a tad bit more then just the % of the sales for the job they do marketing, distributing and publishing the game. This is all about control to the publisher, and I guess in this instance Aventurine did not want to relinquish control over the project; I say bravo and I am pleased that they managed to secure the funding they need to self publish without having some suites telling them what to do and what to change.
if aventurine did indeed develop military software, it seems to me that getting a 20million loan from a bank is no problem at all if they were indeed involved on some government project.
It's the same if they were founded in 2003 even. 2 years more makes no difference. No one is going to give a company that is barely a few years old 20 million dollars.
Phantom Game Console got over 40 millions from investors and they haven’t made any product at all, they have a bad history and they have the name phantom. If they can do it, anyone can.
Oh I see. I am a troll because I don't believe that a 4 year old video game company that has done absolutely nothing has received a 20 million dollar loan. And from a bank no less! Hmm ya. Well I'll go now and let you believe that a bank gave them 20 mill to work on darkfall.
You're absolutely right. It's all just a conspiracy by a super secret organization bent on making it seem like Darkfall is actually coming out. Thereby controlling the open pvp fanbase as a subliminal mind slave army so that they will do what they wish.
You need to face reality that Aventurine actually got a loan to work on darkfall and not act like a complete moron.
Oh, and you definitely are a troll. There's no argument there.
"I refuse to prove that I exist" says God. "For proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing..."
I remember Google getting 25 million investment -99. The company was founded -98.
End of discussion.
and google is worth how much today? I guess you wanted to point out how promising Darkfall is that it can be expected to be worth over a billion dollars in a few years.
Try reading all the post that this is refering to before making such a stupid comment.
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What kind of bullshit is this?
Since you provoked this, here are the correct numbers:
Fees for an SA in Greece, (means publications in Government paper and some operating routines) aprox. Eur 1500 -3000
Then your maid and her husband (you need min 2 shareholders) can start one
the $40000 you are referring is something like Eur50000, but this is the min amount of deposits in the company, that means its starting capital. From this, that maid and her husband, places some 30k in a deposit as a guarantee for that company and the rest are running company expenses. The company's ONLY obligation is against those 30k. Therefore, from the starting investment of 50k only 30k are needed, and you dont lose that cash. From then on, company's logistics take over and you issue balance every year. Aventurine, since it is an SA, publicizes its balance every year, and is by low obligated to show this to a couple of newspapers. Means It is not a secret anymore. Can you show us financial results of this company issued on its 2006 balance? Then we will understand about all this rumors of a defense contractor (lol)
You also need a host of a lot of other expenses like an accountant and such, offices (even a garage works) but it really is piss easy to start any kind of company anywhere in the world. I never even implied that Aventurine wasn't a registered company, and the reason is, that its SO easy to make one... They can sell their cars and start one. Its that easy.
Now for your "product" : this is something conceived 10 years ago. It's too old. History says that it didnt make it as a final product for 10 years, therefore one can easily assume that it will simply NEVER make it. As time passes by, argument is getting stronger and stronger. Even if it does come out in the year 3589AD this doesn't mean it will succeed. What is worst is, that unfortunately if it fails devs will realize that all this is futile, particularly after all this pursuing of an idea for almost 10 years
And you care about this, why?
Who says I do care? What difference does it make what I do?
Searching a bit more I found their recent announcement, what it appears a "press release" about their company profile.
You can find it in this link here : http://www.presspoint.gr/release.asp?id=111351
In this announcement, there is a vague company description, which in Greek it says something like:
---here are some excerpts of their announcement, comments are mine---
......... Aventurine SA is the first company in Greece producing Computer and video games ........ (<--- this is colossal . They produce or manufacture the FIRST computer in Greece? OR is it the FIRST computer game in Greece? Its intentionally VERY vague. In strict Greek translation this means that they have produced THE FIRST computer AND video games, which BOTH are false. They haven't produced anything. What is more, you can all see that THERE IS NO MENTIONING OF DEFENSE CONTRACTORS OR ANYTHING, so we can forget about this myth and move on
......... It's first game ever is DF, THE most anticipated mmorpg globaly ......... (<--- this is vaporware, it's not even released, therefore this company has made nothing still)
And what do you expect that you are proving? even if you are right it goes no where near proving that Adventurine isn't making Darkfall you are just reading what you wish from very very lose facts and opinions.
I know people from Greece and they knew about the company Adventurine even though they didn't know about Darkfall, I know people that have been to Adventurine and seen these things with their own eyes. You of course will not believe me but then you wouldn't even believe it if you had the game in you're hands.
and google is worth how much today? I guess you wanted to point out how promising Darkfall is that it can be expected to be worth over a billion dollars in a few years.
<blockquote><i>Originally posted by Krogan</i>
<br><b><blockquote><em>Originally posted by ndpunch</em> <br />
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<p>I remember Google getting 25 million investment -99.</p>
<p>The company was founded -98.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>End of discussion.</p>
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<p>and google is worth how much today? I guess you wanted to point out how promising Darkfall is that it can be expected to be worth over a billion dollars in a few years.</p></b></blockquote>
lets see about that:
Lets hypothesize that their subscription (when this comes out) is say $10 per month per player.
Lets suppose that they will make that billion in 5 years (a lot of time some will say ...)
So, $10 x 12 months= $120 p.a.
1.000.000.000 $ / 120$ equals, 8.4 million players, or 1.7 million players for 5 years
kinda difficult don't you think?
I am not proving anything. These are their comments not mine
This thread is funny. Entertainment at its best. Please. Continue.
LOL
D.
I am still waiting for the proof that google got 25 mill investment in 1998.
and even if they did. Aventurine is no Gooogle.
Give me a moment...Okies, I think I left the copy of the copy of the copy of the copy of the copy of the reciept in my other pants at home.
So you cant see the proof today, sorry.
LOL
D.
I am still waiting for the proof that google got 25 mill investment in 1998.
and even if they did. Aventurine is no Gooogle.
Apparently you fail to realize that Google was not a huge search engine in 1998. Yahoo was the leading competitor when it came to search engines.Keep trying to doomsday the game. It won't work.
"I refuse to prove that I exist" says God. "For proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing..."
This 20 Million Euro loan is recent, fact is no one gives away money for free or just throws money away. Convertible bond is really an option, it can be paid back or exchanged for shares. The money that they received from this will be used on self publishing, which they are going to do since they have not been able to find a publisher suitable enough and or flexible enough to get their product shipped and marketed.
I don't know allot about publishing companies, but one thing I do know is that when a publisher invests in a project it wants a tad bit more then just the % of the sales for the job they do marketing, distributing and publishing the game. This is all about control to the publisher, and I guess in this instance Aventurine did not want to relinquish control over the project; I say bravo and I am pleased that they managed to secure the funding they need to self publish without having some suites telling them what to do and what to change.
Now stop whinning, this is good news.
if aventurine did indeed develop military software, it seems to me that getting a 20million loan from a bank is no problem at all if they were indeed involved on some government project.
Phantom Game Console got over 40 millions from investors and they haven’t made any product at all, they have a bad history and they have the name phantom. If they can do it, anyone can.
You need to face reality that Aventurine actually got a loan to work on darkfall and not act like a complete moron.
Oh, and you definitely are a troll. There's no argument there.
"I refuse to prove that I exist" says God. "For proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing..."
and google is worth how much today? I guess you wanted to point out how promising Darkfall is that it can be expected to be worth over a billion dollars in a few years.
Try reading all the post that this is refering to before making such a stupid comment.