AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Atziluth, no offence but look at the post all the way back that I made and more specifically what it was in response too.
He said AoC was scraping the bottom of the barrel, I wanted to point out that there is media out there and lots of it, I used one example site, even said warhammer was higher rated. So you have a problem with me posting that? Sorry, if you do, but I will still continue to promote an interest in this game and also any negatives with which I feel need mentioning, just like i have done over the last 24hrs.
The award was well deserved I was defending that with a list of media > comment about scraping bottom of barell thats all.
I didn't bring it up again, but its ok for Mark Jacobs CEO Mythic to sprouting numbers around on the warhammer alliance forums putting down AO in relation to his DAoC right?????????? go figure.
Lets just say plenty of people have commented on my average forum post being most informative and helpfull to them, including several referals to the guild im in. If you re-read some of my other posts you will find crititism for AoC too in there somewhere.
Avery, war-bois are prone to pop up and spew hate now, just ignore them ffs!
nah we don't spew hate, we just know that war will be the better game...check those combat animations in aoc..fighting 20 yards away from your enemy with your back turned ftw.
check those combat animations in aoc..fighting 20 yards away from your enemy with your back turned ftw.
Vs fighting 20 yards away from your enemey with your back turned, but still hitting because your auto-attack hits based on a percentage, not on the players actual ability to line up his attacks. I think I'd go with the former. And those combat animations look a hell of a lot more fun then the auto-attack and over the top 'flourishes' of some other titles.
Oh and anyone running around wildly 'wow' style trying to PvP in AoC will get hammered on by people who know enough to keep themselves on target. Gotta remember most of these videos of the CTF PvP are newbs who've never touched the game before.
Actually the "Hammerheads" get attacks that reach up to 42 yards. Plus they get to continue firing and attacking while AFK so long as the mob or player doesn't die.
Originally posted by Jackdog you knoe I realy hate to derail this from the typical "our game is better than your game" derail and get back to topic but I just Googled this and I don't even see where AOC or any other MMORPG was nominated at the conferance>According to this article there isn't even a seperate catagory for online games. www.games-digest.com/2007/08/leipzig-games-c.html now can anyone give me a link to a reputable site with a full story on this other than Funcoms presss release?
Just a suggestion, take your own link that says there isnt a seperate category...
Count down 9. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9
Read what it says (spoiler)
In the category ONLINE:
Hellgate:London Enemy Territory Quake Wars Age of Conan: Hyborian Adventures
I'm genuinely not trying to be smart aleck, but I'm not sure how you could have missed that, as long as I've seen your posts here, I've never seen such an obvious miss like that! Would you still like someone to find another link, or does re-reading your own link convince you?
while entertaining to read what people wrote in the forum, why the hell people have to bash one game because they support anohter game?
Just because AoC won the awards, it doesn't mean WAR is worse. Nor it means AoC doesn't deserve the award
when can people face it that every game has its fault and are NOT perfect. and whenever someone point out their faults, instead being defensive about your "favourite" game, why can't we just try to look at the issue at a neutral position?
from what I see, the footage of AoC from the GC aren't very impressive. the seige isn't really a seige since they don't really have that much live players in there. the fighting animation isn't that good either. it looks like all you need to do is to keep hopping around and hope a hit can land on your target. It just doesn't seem you have much control to hit your target the way you want to. People think this is a new system for a mmo? try to play Rakion from the gunbound company.
WAR has its fault too. To say WAR doesn't look like WoW is a lie. It's hard to say WAR's fighting or PVE would be too much different from WoW from the footages we saw so far. I don't mind tho since I do enjoy WoW for quite a while since beta. but you can't just bash others who say WAR looks and plays like WoW.
instead trying to protect the game you like and bash the other games? why can't you guys just look at stuffs at a more neutral position?
Honestly, AoC's fighting style isn't as "new" as you guys think it is. If the company the pull it off it could be a great, but there is a reason why all Fps games are shooters and aren't sword fighting games. It's just very different to calculate how your weapons land on your target when the online aspect in involved in a programing point of view.
at the moment before the games are out and you guys can actually experience them, plese don't say one game is superiour than the others
Well AoC's fighting system is indeed quite new considering that all mainstream games are using the auto attack system. I dont know what the heck this "Rakion" game is but it doesnt matter considering that it ismade by a small company unlike Blizzard, Funcom, Mythic or whatever. These companies have much more to lose since they are investing so much money into a game. AoC's combat system is indeed new or different if you want to call it that, regardless if you want to accept it or not. There are very few if any big MMO's out there that dont use auto attack.
I agree with you that I am also sick and tired of people babbling on these forums bashing WAR or AOC in their favor. I am sick of it, I am sick of the bashing, flaming, or whatever. They are both games and I both am anticipating their release. HOWEVER you cant deny the fact that...well come on AOC has a deeper combat system than WAR. Just by looking at the vids WAR is a much more shallow game and is really just a WoW with great RvR. Is it a bad game? I didnt say that. But lets face the facts here, AoC's combat system is a hell of alot deeper and requires you to actually game.
Also gets mentioned on Gamespot too as best online, but no showing for other big mmorpgs like warhammer though. Gratz!
So Avery this was not an unprompted dig at WAR? WAR was mentioned as a runner up... spin spin spin.
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AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by atziluth
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
Also gets mentioned on Gamespot too as best online, but no showing for other big mmorpgs like warhammer though. Gratz!
So Avery this was not an unprompted dig at WAR? WAR was mentioned as a runner up... spin spin spin.
Actually there was two awards that AoC won, in one War wasn't even nominated, in the other it was runner up. Fair Play to warhammer Online. I mentioned other big mmorpgs too, war was worth a mention as its equally if not more appealing to a larger audience. problem?
However, I fail to see any "spin" in my comment. I think your taking it a little to far. I never put any slant on anything in this post. It was fact and I linked it.
Warhammer is a great looking game still in Beta like AoC is. Both has some issues and I hope both work out for the best.
First off grats to Funcom and AoC, I am really looking forward to try this game out, have been for a while actually.
Second why does every post about AoC have to turn into a WAR discussion, this is the AoC forum, we don't care about WAR if we did we'd be in the WAR forums so if you want to talk about WAR the forums are ----> this way.
Third of its just a game, it won an award deal with it suck it up and stop coming here crying about WAR this AoC fanbois this, dont you people have better things to do than cry over retarded childish play?
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Indeed. Everyone things WAR has tuns more footage out there. Besides Podcasts and such, it simply isn't true. That and IMHO, what WAR did show, wasn't that impressive, especially the 'much vaunted' lighting system they've been hyping for months.
Really why don't you look at GT for one sec. 1/2s of the vids on there are repeats or one vid broken into 3-4 segments.
Offincally + interview with GT Aoc has 22 vids, WAr 19 this si just on GT but those are the real numbers. The offical ones do note incude any of Pauls video phone vids or interviews with fan sites.
Now if you look at player submited vids, AoC has 9 pages with 9th page being 1 vid, WAR has 8 pages. Both included a ton of junk if you look at youtube etc everythign changes so do othersites... basiclly, this mesures little
FE|Tachyon Do research before putting foot in mouth, "Only Theres more people playing AOC and putting out material. ". Minus the fact that AoC maybe 1-3 submitted vids more on GT vids than WAR does.
Really you should look at respective fansites, WARs fansites have crazy amount of exculisive vids and info. Still i have viewed a ton of vids and well i have seen about 2-3 times more un-edited in-game WAr vids than AoC.
Still if we agrue more views = better game , Lets look to WoW ... err guess thats not a good idea huh. Neither is more videos , but i didn't start this line of logic but i hope to end it.
Still on a better note - Gratz AoC, its no wonder AoC does look like its going for the gold and all game co.s should. Funcoms is in a place to make it. Still AO won more awards than DAOC did, but there not really to many that would argue AO success > DAOC or even that AO was better than DAOC (Though there are some, of course who liked AO more such is the nature of games and well anything).
A better example is WoW its won the most awards for a freaking MMO and i like the game a bit but not as much as many other MMOS, so at the end of the day i could care less about awards.
The scraping the bottom of the barrel was wrong. I think What he ment tho was that funcom put every thing they had into their presentation. IE presented everything the could. The segieing etc etc. Even then they have not shown much of anything that WAR had not months ago. But it still seemed rather hostile and unessesary. AHHH got one thing high end raid content , AoC has and WAr has not shown it.
But ill will refute crazyness such as this.
"well come on AOC has a deeper combat system than WAR" - does it? Why? becuase atm the beta testers are happy spaming one attack over and over? To me, thats worst than abilities and/or auto attack no offence. Instead lets say AoC wants a deeper combat system, becuase as it stands atm its kinda broken.
CD is suposed to be in both games so that should stop alot of WoW style pvp, but it looks a more lot like DAOC style combat.
Fion ~ "So THATS why in WAR PvP everyone kinda just stands there and does their slow auto-attack with a special every few seconds.. whittling away for like a minute until one person dies. Because if you move you get a decreased chance to hit. Well.. on paper thats a nice idea. But in reality it makes PvP slow.. and boring. You don't see fencers in real life standing toe to toe swinging every 3 seconds generically do you?"
Really play DAOC , you use special moves alot, and DAocs pvp is not slow or boring.
Still why Turn this into WAr vs AoC. One word da Fanboies. (both sides)
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Atziluth, no offence but look at the post all the way back that I made and more specifically what it was in response too.
He said AoC was scraping the bottom of the barrel, I wanted to point out that there is media out there and lots of it, I used one example site, even said warhammer was higher rated. So you have a problem with me posting that? Sorry, if you do, but I will still continue to promote an interest in this game and also any negatives with which I feel need mentioning, just like i have done over the last 24hrs.
The award was well deserved I was defending that with a list of media > comment about scraping bottom of barell thats all.
I didn't bring it up again, but its ok for Mark Jacobs CEO Mythic to sprouting numbers around on the warhammer alliance forums putting down AO in relation to his DAoC right?????????? go figure.
Lets just say plenty of people have commented on my average forum post being most informative and helpfull to them, including several referals to the guild im in. If you re-read some of my other posts you will find crititism for AoC too in there somewhere.
nah we don't spew hate, we just know that war will be the better game...check those combat animations in aoc..fighting 20 yards away from your enemy with your back turned ftw.
Vs fighting 20 yards away from your enemey with your back turned, but still hitting because your auto-attack hits based on a percentage, not on the players actual ability to line up his attacks. I think I'd go with the former. And those combat animations look a hell of a lot more fun then the auto-attack and over the top 'flourishes' of some other titles.
Oh and anyone running around wildly 'wow' style trying to PvP in AoC will get hammered on by people who know enough to keep themselves on target. Gotta remember most of these videos of the CTF PvP are newbs who've never touched the game before.
Actually the "Hammerheads" get attacks that reach up to 42 yards. Plus they get to continue firing and attacking while AFK so long as the mob or player doesn't die.
congrats
I miss DAoC
Just a suggestion, take your own link that says there isnt a seperate category...
Count down 9. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9
Read what it says
(spoiler)
In the category ONLINE:
Hellgate:London
Enemy Territory Quake Wars
Age of Conan: Hyborian Adventures
I'm genuinely not trying to be smart aleck, but I'm not sure how you could have missed that, as long as I've seen your posts here, I've never seen such an obvious miss like that! Would you still like someone to find another link, or does re-reading your own link convince you?
I take it you edited it after you noticed!
while entertaining to read what people wrote in the forum, why the hell people have to bash one game because they support anohter game?
Just because AoC won the awards, it doesn't mean WAR is worse. Nor it means AoC doesn't deserve the award
when can people face it that every game has its fault and are NOT perfect. and whenever someone point out their faults, instead being defensive about your "favourite" game, why can't we just try to look at the issue at a neutral position?
from what I see, the footage of AoC from the GC aren't very impressive. the seige isn't really a seige since they don't really have that much live players in there. the fighting animation isn't that good either. it looks like all you need to do is to keep hopping around and hope a hit can land on your target. It just doesn't seem you have much control to hit your target the way you want to. People think this is a new system for a mmo? try to play Rakion from the gunbound company.
WAR has its fault too. To say WAR doesn't look like WoW is a lie. It's hard to say WAR's fighting or PVE would be too much different from WoW from the footages we saw so far. I don't mind tho since I do enjoy WoW for quite a while since beta. but you can't just bash others who say WAR looks and plays like WoW.
instead trying to protect the game you like and bash the other games? why can't you guys just look at stuffs at a more neutral position?
Honestly, AoC's fighting style isn't as "new" as you guys think it is. If the company the pull it off it could be a great, but there is a reason why all Fps games are shooters and aren't sword fighting games. It's just very different to calculate how your weapons land on your target when the online aspect in involved in a programing point of view.
at the moment before the games are out and you guys can actually experience them, plese don't say one game is superiour than the others
Well AoC's fighting system is indeed quite new considering that all mainstream games are using the auto attack system. I dont know what the heck this "Rakion" game is but it doesnt matter considering that it ismade by a small company unlike Blizzard, Funcom, Mythic or whatever. These companies have much more to lose since they are investing so much money into a game. AoC's combat system is indeed new or different if you want to call it that, regardless if you want to accept it or not. There are very few if any big MMO's out there that dont use auto attack.
I agree with you that I am also sick and tired of people babbling on these forums bashing WAR or AOC in their favor. I am sick of it, I am sick of the bashing, flaming, or whatever. They are both games and I both am anticipating their release. HOWEVER you cant deny the fact that...well come on AOC has a deeper combat system than WAR. Just by looking at the vids WAR is a much more shallow game and is really just a WoW with great RvR. Is it a bad game? I didnt say that. But lets face the facts here, AoC's combat system is a hell of alot deeper and requires you to actually game.
Gratz to AoC!
Now if they can revamp the combat...
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Why what is the problem with combat? Seemed to head in a very nice direction.
So Avery this was not an unprompted dig at WAR? WAR was mentioned as a runner up... spin spin spin.
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
So Avery this was not an unprompted dig at WAR? WAR was mentioned as a runner up... spin spin spin.
Actually there was two awards that AoC won, in one War wasn't even nominated, in the other it was runner up. Fair Play to warhammer Online. I mentioned other big mmorpgs too, war was worth a mention as its equally if not more appealing to a larger audience. problem?
However, I fail to see any "spin" in my comment. I think your taking it a little to far. I never put any slant on anything in this post. It was fact and I linked it.
Warhammer is a great looking game still in Beta like AoC is. Both has some issues and I hope both work out for the best.
First off grats to Funcom and AoC, I am really looking forward to try this game out, have been for a while actually.
Second why does every post about AoC have to turn into a WAR discussion, this is the AoC forum, we don't care about WAR if we did we'd be in the WAR forums so if you want to talk about WAR the forums are ----> this way.
Third of its just a game, it won an award deal with it suck it up and stop coming here crying about WAR this AoC fanbois this, dont you people have better things to do than cry over retarded childish play?
A man dies daily, only to be reborn in the morning, bigger, better and wiser.
-Playing AoC
-Playing WoW
-Retired- SWG
-Retired- EVE
-Retired- LotR
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- 24" Widescreen 1080P HD display).
Really why don't you look at GT for one sec. 1/2s of the vids on there are repeats or one vid broken into 3-4 segments.
Offincally + interview with GT Aoc has 22 vids, WAr 19 this si just on GT but those are the real numbers. The offical ones do note incude any of Pauls video phone vids or interviews with fan sites.
Now if you look at player submited vids, AoC has 9 pages with 9th page being 1 vid, WAR has 8 pages. Both included a ton of junk if you look at youtube etc everythign changes so do othersites... basiclly, this mesures little
FE|Tachyon Do research before putting foot in mouth, "Only Theres more people playing AOC and putting out material. ". Minus the fact that AoC maybe 1-3 submitted vids more on GT vids than WAR does.
Really you should look at respective fansites, WARs fansites have crazy amount of exculisive vids and info. Still i have viewed a ton of vids and well i have seen about 2-3 times more un-edited in-game WAr vids than AoC.
Still if we agrue more views = better game , Lets look to WoW ... err guess thats not a good idea huh. Neither is more videos , but i didn't start this line of logic but i hope to end it.
Still on a better note - Gratz AoC, its no wonder AoC does look like its going for the gold and all game co.s should. Funcoms is in a place to make it. Still AO won more awards than DAOC did, but there not really to many that would argue AO success > DAOC or even that AO was better than DAOC (Though there are some, of course who liked AO more such is the nature of games and well anything).
A better example is WoW its won the most awards for a freaking MMO and i like the game a bit but not as much as many other MMOS, so at the end of the day i could care less about awards.
The scraping the bottom of the barrel was wrong. I think What he ment tho was that funcom put every thing they had into their presentation. IE presented everything the could. The segieing etc etc. Even then they have not shown much of anything that WAR had not months ago. But it still seemed rather hostile and unessesary. AHHH got one thing high end raid content , AoC has and WAr has not shown it.
But ill will refute crazyness such as this.
"well come on AOC has a deeper combat system than WAR" - does it? Why? becuase atm the beta testers are happy spaming one attack over and over? To me, thats worst than abilities and/or auto attack no offence. Instead lets say AoC wants a deeper combat system, becuase as it stands atm its kinda broken.
CD is suposed to be in both games so that should stop alot of WoW style pvp, but it looks a more lot like DAOC style combat.
Fion ~ "So THATS why in WAR PvP everyone kinda just stands there and does their slow auto-attack with a special every few seconds.. whittling away for like a minute until one person dies. Because if you move you get a decreased chance to hit. Well.. on paper thats a nice idea. But in reality it makes PvP slow.. and boring. You don't see fencers in real life standing toe to toe swinging every 3 seconds generically do you?"
Really play DAOC , you use special moves alot, and DAocs pvp is not slow or boring.
Still why Turn this into WAr vs AoC. One word da Fanboies. (both sides)
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well done Jetrpg. Your post shows reason + truth > spin + bias.
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