Please do not forget LOTRO had about a 10th of the content WoW had at launch. And all new MMOs throw content at players at the start to convince them to say (its all part of the launch strategy that all companies use.. yes even turbin).. WoW was throwing content at players every 2 or so months in the first year.. after that it slows as it will do with LOTRO too.
And if you realy believe that Turbin give a %^££ about you then dream on, they want your money as does blizzard, SoE and others. you not special.. just subscriber number 2832 or whatever.
Every Mmo company is about the bottom line regardless of who it is, but your 10th the content is kind of silly. Lotr:O came out with 1 lvl 50 raid which was more than WoW in the instance of being no lvl 60's available at release. BRS was added a month after release along with MC being released about 2 months after release along with Onyxia. (Don't really consider the BRD a lvl 60 instance).
In the end Blizzard, Turbine, and EQ could care less about the individual consumer, but are more worried about the en mass. If all the carebear treehuggin hippies love it and will pay for any game someone will make a game to support that. It's just whatever in the market sells. I believe that the WoW carebear is the biggest seller which is why they will continue pumping out expansions every 10-12months from now till death to keep the extreme casual who doesn't know what a raid is happy.
Well TBC was 1 big content pach in its self, and believe it or not many ares till working their way through that stuff. But yes I would like to see more stuff, but Blizzard are not ones to rush stuff just because other games have to rush out content to stop their tiny player base from moving on, WoW is not in that position it has a loyal player base of millions who are happy to wait that little bit longer for bug free, testing and balanced content.
Almost Ready We plan to implement the following features in the next major patch. Please note that this list is a sneak peek at just a few highlights of the next patch. It does not contain every addition, change, or bug fix that will be implemented.
Voice Chat - Players can use a built-in voice chat tool to speak with other players in groups, battlegrounds, and even private channels. DDO and LOTRO already have
Improved Chat Interface - Improvements to the chat channels and functionality are available under the chat tab in the social window of the interface. LOTRO already have. Mac Movie Capture - The Mac client is able to capture in-game video to QuickTime movie files using a configurable choice of codec, resolution, and frame rate. More
Coming Soon We plan to implement the following features in upcoming patches.
Zul'Aman - A high-level 10-player instance located in the Ghostlands Guild Banks Sunwell Plateau - A high-level 25-player instance located north of Silvermoon City
next month LOTRO gonna get house for guilds, housing for players, guild banks. new 6 and 12 man instances, more public instances, the first balrog, new skills for classes and many more!!! look blizzard says thats a MAJOR patch, turbine did 2 MAJOR content patches in 4 months and next one coming next month, this leaves blizzard with 0 free content updates since january release of TBC, and what you just quoted as nothing new they don't even tell the release date of that patch. they will never see my money again.
You guys should wake up and try other games, instead of being ripoff by blizzard, that make millions and don't care about their costumers.
Please do not forget LOTRO had about a 10th of the content WoW had at launch. And all new MMOs throw content at players at the start to convince them to say (its all part of the launch strategy that all companies use.. yes even turbin).. WoW was throwing content at players every 2 or so months in the first year.. after that it slows as it will do with LOTRO too.
And if you realy believe that Turbin give a %^££ about you then dream on, they want your money as does blizzard, SoE and others. you not special.. just subscriber number 2832 or whatever.
you don't know turbine at all i see. LOTRO started with 2200 quests, WOW started with 1000.
AC, content patch added every month since start.
If you call a GM event a content patch then yes.. your right.
AC2, same as ac till the day they closed it.
Flopped, was releasing planned "held back" content as I explained... upto its death.
DDO content patch every 2 months
Flopped, adding content that they never wanted such as PvP and open areas to get people to play.
LOTRO content patch every 2 months
Did not do as well as they thought.. stil adding content every few months just as they planned. lets go back in a year and see how much content they add.
they never slow down on their other games, why they should slow down with LOTRO?
WOW never trow content patches every 2 months, best they did was every 4 months at start. i'm not any game fanboi like many here, i played wow like many other games, and lemme tell you, about free content patches blizzard sucks bad.
November 2004 - WoW launched
December 18th 2004 - Patch 1.2 ( NEW lvl 40 instance + More items + World xmas event + PvP arena + fixes + balances )
March 7th 2005 - Patch 1.3 ( New lvl 50-55 instance + UI tweaks + Outdoor raid boss + meeting stone system + class skills )
April 8th 2005 - Patch 1.4 ( PvP honor system + class quests + fixes + balances )
June 7th 2005 - Patch 1.5 ( Battle ground system + fixes + balances )
July 12th 2005 - Patch 1.6 - ( New lvl 60 40man instance + lock & warrior talent tree revamps + darkmoon faire event )
September 13th 2005 - Patch 1.7 ( New lvl 60 20man instance + new battleground + hunter talent tree revamp + fishing event )
October 10th 2005 - Patch 1.8 ( New zone "silithus" + 4 world bosses + druid talent tree revamp + fixes + balances )
January 3rd 2006 - Patch 1.9 ( 2 new instances 20/40man + Tier 2 visual changes + linked Auction houses + paladin talent tree revamp + new quests )
So you can see during the first year WoW had 8 content patches ( average 1 every 6 weeks ). adding new instances, world bosses, gear, quests, zones, skills & talents, fixes and balances, pvp, UI tweaks, Events and more.
I do agree that content release have been slow since TBC, but TBC was 1 big content patch its self, and we got the patch just around the corner (blizzard likes to tests things - rather then release stuff ASAP to keep a few "i want i want" people happy).
I wanted to address the claim that World of Warcraft does not care about their customers. Before doing so, I'd like to review some of the 'competition' and their customer service.
Everquest - By far the worst customer service I've experienced. Each time I've come to them with a bug they've come back with "Well you should've done this" or "you need to do that" with 90% of the time it being something I've already done and 5% of the time something that doesn't work. Responses are canned (scripted) and don't work. They've got a real high and mighty attitude problem with legitimate questions, are very slow to respond and try to duct-tape a wreck of a game that should've been thrown in the garbage a long time ago.
Everquest II - Elusive, they don't like to answer similar questions I had about their customer service. I wanted to see if it's the same crew that didn't help me in EQ1. I believe they are.
NC Soft (City of Heroes, GuildWars, Lineage II) - Account and Billing info screens messed up, making it difficult to subscribe to the games, asking irrelevant questions to the problem, and having you set up a separate account for questions(?). Doesn't make a whole lot of sense. They send you an e-mail that you cannot reply to. Rather, you have to go through the whole question pages online again. I'm sure they're nice people, but their customer service system is screwed up. If it gets any worse, I'm dropping the games.
Voyage Century / Shot Online / Fishing Champ - Yeah, there are problems but the games are free so I have no reason to complain.
On to the superior customer satisfaction -
World of Warcraft - EVERY time I had a question or problem in the last 3 years I got an immediate response. It was a live person (no stupid macro's telling me to do things I've already tried) who asked questions, listened and gave appropriate actions. They'll fix a problem long-term instead of doing just enough to keep the customer quiet. They've done a bang-up job greatly reducing goldspams that you still see on broadcast of Everquest II. Most of the time I don't need to contact them, as the "help" button can get me out of most situations on my own (stuck character, questions, etc.). Not only do these people care, but they know what they're doing. My money goes to them and I'm glad they're taking it. Love the game (though am hoping for a graphics update), but moreso love how I'm treated like royalty.
Well TBC was 1 big content pach in its self, and believe it or not many ares till working their way through that stuff. But yes I would like to see more stuff, but Blizzard are not ones to rush stuff just because other games have to rush out content to stop their tiny player base from moving on, WoW is not in that position it has a loyal player base of millions who are happy to wait that little bit longer for bug free, testing and balanced content.
Almost Ready We plan to implement the following features in the next major patch. Please note that this list is a sneak peek at just a few highlights of the next patch. It does not contain every addition, change, or bug fix that will be implemented.
Voice Chat - Players can use a built-in voice chat tool to speak with other players in groups, battlegrounds, and even private channels. DDO and LOTRO already have
Improved Chat Interface - Improvements to the chat channels and functionality are available under the chat tab in the social window of the interface. LOTRO already have. Mac Movie Capture - The Mac client is able to capture in-game video to QuickTime movie files using a configurable choice of codec, resolution, and frame rate. More
Coming Soon We plan to implement the following features in upcoming patches.
Zul'Aman - A high-level 10-player instance located in the Ghostlands Guild Banks Sunwell Plateau - A high-level 25-player instance located north of Silvermoon City
next month LOTRO gonna get house for guilds, housing for players, guild banks. new 6 and 12 man instances, more public instances, the first balrog, new skills for classes and many more!!! look blizzard says thats a MAJOR patch, turbine did 2 MAJOR content patches in 4 months and next one coming next month, this leaves blizzard with 0 free content updates since january release of TBC, and what you just quoted as nothing new they don't even tell the release date of that patch. they will never see my money again.
You guys should wake up and try other games, instead of being ripoff by blizzard, that make millions and don't care about their costumers.
Please do not forget LOTRO had about a 10th of the content WoW had at launch. And all new MMOs throw content at players at the start to convince them to say (its all part of the launch strategy that all companies use.. yes even turbin).. WoW was throwing content at players every 2 or so months in the first year.. after that it slows as it will do with LOTRO too.
And if you realy believe that Turbin give a %^££ about you then dream on, they want your money as does blizzard, SoE and others. you not special.. just subscriber number 2832 or whatever.
you don't know turbine at all i see. LOTRO started with 2200 quests, WOW started with 1000.
AC, content patch added every month since start.
If you call a GM event a content patch then yes.. your right.
Nope, content patches every month not gm's events, but yes it has that also something wow never has.
AC2, same as ac till the day they closed it.
Flopped, was releasing planned "held back" content as I explained... upto its death.
this game was released 2 years before WOW, you never played it you don't know nothing about it, because if you knew, you would agree that 70% of WOW at release was an ac2 ripoff. Same UI, same combat, boss raids, pvp, etc.
DDO content patch every 2 months
Flopped, adding content that they never wanted such as PvP and open areas to get people to play.
Like i said before, care to play the games and make your comments after?
LOTRO content patch every 2 months
Did not do as well as they thought.. stil adding content every few months just as they planned. lets go back in a year and see how much content they add.
This comment says it all, about your ignorance about LOTRO and turbine games, since LOTRO as been out for 4 months not an year.
they never slow down on their other games, why they should slow down with LOTRO?
WOW never trow content patches every 2 months, best they did was every 4 months at start. i'm not any game fanboi like many here, i played wow like many other games, and lemme tell you, about free content patches blizzard sucks bad.
November 2004 - WoW launched
December 18th 2004 - Patch 1.2 ( NEW lvl 40 instance + More items + World xmas event + PvP arena + fixes + balances )
March 7th 2005 - Patch 1.3 ( New lvl 50-55 instance + UI tweaks + Outdoor raid boss + meeting stone system + class skills )
April 8th 2005 - Patch 1.4 ( PvP honor system + class quests + fixes + balances )
June 7th 2005 - Patch 1.5 ( Battle ground system + fixes + balances )
July 12th 2005 - Patch 1.6 - ( New lvl 60 40man instance + lock & warrior talent tree revamps + darkmoon faire event )
September 13th 2005 - Patch 1.7 ( New lvl 60 20man instance + new battleground + hunter talent tree revamp + fishing event )
October 10th 2005 - Patch 1.8 ( New zone "silithus" + 4 world bosses + druid talent tree revamp + fixes + balances )
January 3rd 2006 - Patch 1.9 ( 2 new instances 20/40man + Tier 2 visual changes + linked Auction houses + paladin talent tree revamp + new quests )
So you can see during the first year WoW had 8 content patches ( average 1 every 6 weeks ). adding new instances, world bosses, gear, quests, zones, skills & talents, fixes and balances, pvp, UI tweaks, Events and more.
Nope that's not true, care to learn how to count that's 6 patches in the year of 2005 not 8, there was a grand total of 13 patches since wow release.
I do agree that content release have been slow since TBC, but TBC was 1 big content patch its self, and we got the patch just around the corner (blizzard likes to tests things - rather then release stuff ASAP to keep a few "i want i want" people happy).
November 2004 - WoW launched December 18th 2004 - Patch 1.2 ( NEW lvl 40 instance + More items + World xmas event + PvP arena + fixes + balances ) March 7th 2005 - Patch 1.3 ( New lvl 50-55 instance + UI tweaks + Outdoor raid boss + meeting stone system + class skills ) April 8th 2005 - Patch 1.4 ( PvP honor system + class quests + fixes + balances ) June 7th 2005 - Patch 1.5 ( Battle ground system + fixes + balances ) July 12th 2005 - Patch 1.6 - ( New lvl 60 40man instance + lock & warrior talent tree revamps + darkmoon faire event ) September 13th 2005 - Patch 1.7 ( New lvl 60 20man instance + new battleground + hunter talent tree revamp + fishing event ) October 10th 2005 - Patch 1.8 ( New zone "silithus" + 4 world bosses + druid talent tree revamp + fixes + balances ) January 3rd 2006 - Patch 1.9 ( 2 new instances 20/40man + Tier 2 visual changes + linked Auction houses + paladin talent tree revamp + new quests ) So you can see during the first year WoW had 8 content patches ( average 1 every 6 weeks ). adding new instances, world bosses, gear, quests, zones, skills & talents, fixes and balances, pvp, UI tweaks, Events and more. I do agree that content release have been slow since TBC, but TBC was 1 big content patch its self, and we got the patch just around the corner (blizzard likes to tests things - rather then release stuff ASAP to keep a few "i want i want" people happy).
Try someday to set up your own private server installing only WoW that was released at lunch without any patches version 1.00 and use gm commands to get to all the locations. You will find out there are already all the locations released later on like MC, bwl, aq, zg, caverns of time, outlands, part of northrend, old hillsbrad, all the battlegrounds and even a few zones that are not announced yet and will be added later on. This may be a good business strategy but calling just opening zones to players monthly updates is a bit silly.
DDo is getting content updates every month, they added 1 race(1 is coming in a few months together with a new class), around 80 new dungeons, 7 raid dungeons, 100 new spells, 30 feats, raised level cap from 10 to 14 and so on.
I have the same hopes for montly updates for Lotro, Turbine always did a great job in content updates eventho they are much smaller development studio in compare to blizzard.
Shows how much some people have no clue in life sometimes. and how much they barely know Turbine. Just to show Asheron's Call has reveice like 82 updates so far and every month there was new content given. just take a look at this site http://www.thejackcat.com/AC/Home/NewStuff.htm
Have fun reading up on all that stuff, I have played AC for over 3 years now, and if I were to go back Im pretty sure I wouldnt recognize the game at all. I havent touch WoW in 1.5 years and I pretty sure that I would find it exactly the same way it was if I were to go back to that game.
One thing I always could count on Turbine is there will always be something coming out on schedule with them and with Lotro there will always be updates every 2 months we already know whats coming for October and we also now know the theme for December also. and I bet there be another update February, April, June, August... there arent to many MMOs out there that do that kind of stuff.
So I wouldnt dish that out, but its a different way to do things, turbine are betting on that, wow there betting on there xpansion packs. So who really cares anyway how you get the stuff if you still enjoy your game. But I do like having a way to know what to expect and knowing that in 6 weeks we getting some new cool stuff to play with hehe.
Well TBC was 1 big content pach in its self, and believe it or not many ares till working their way through that stuff. But yes I would like to see more stuff, but Blizzard are not ones to rush stuff just because other games have to rush out content to stop their tiny player base from moving on, WoW is not in that position it has a loyal player base of millions who are happy to wait that little bit longer for bug free, testing and balanced content.
Almost Ready We plan to implement the following features in the next major patch. Please note that this list is a sneak peek at just a few highlights of the next patch. It does not contain every addition, change, or bug fix that will be implemented.
Voice Chat - Players can use a built-in voice chat tool to speak with other players in groups, battlegrounds, and even private channels. DDO and LOTRO already have
Improved Chat Interface - Improvements to the chat channels and functionality are available under the chat tab in the social window of the interface. LOTRO already have. Mac Movie Capture - The Mac client is able to capture in-game video to QuickTime movie files using a configurable choice of codec, resolution, and frame rate. More
Coming Soon We plan to implement the following features in upcoming patches.
Zul'Aman - A high-level 10-player instance located in the Ghostlands Guild Banks Sunwell Plateau - A high-level 25-player instance located north of Silvermoon City
next month LOTRO gonna get house for guilds, housing for players, guild banks. new 6 and 12 man instances, more public instances, the first balrog, new skills for classes and many more!!! look blizzard says thats a MAJOR patch, turbine did 2 MAJOR content patches in 4 months and next one coming next month, this leaves blizzard with 0 free content updates since january release of TBC, and what you just quoted as nothing new they don't even tell the release date of that patch. they will never see my money again.
You guys should wake up and try other games, instead of being ripoff by blizzard, that make millions and don't care about their costumers.
Please do not forget LOTRO had about a 10th of the content WoW had at launch. And all new MMOs throw content at players at the start to convince them to say (its all part of the launch strategy that all companies use.. yes even turbin).. WoW was throwing content at players every 2 or so months in the first year.. after that it slows as it will do with LOTRO too.
And if you realy believe that Turbin give a %^££ about you then dream on, they want your money as does blizzard, SoE and others. you not special.. just subscriber number 2832 or whatever.
you don't know turbine at all i see. LOTRO started with 2200 quests, WOW started with 1000.
AC, content patch added every month since start.
If you call a GM event a content patch then yes.. your right.
Nope, content patches every month not gm's events, but yes it has that also something wow never has.
Its mainly GM events for the last 2 years, plus its dead easy to add content to a simple game like AC, as the gfx are basic and players dont expect the quality we have today.
AC2, same as ac till the day they closed it.
Flopped, was releasing planned "held back" content as I explained... upto its death.
this game was released 2 years before WOW, you never played it you don't know nothing about it, because if you knew, you would agree that 70% of WOW at release was an ac2 ripoff. Same UI, same combat, boss raids, pvp, etc.
I suggest you look at Diablo and see where AC got it ideas from.
DDO content patch every 2 months
Flopped, adding content that they never wanted such as PvP and open areas to get people to play.
Like i said before, care to play the games and make your comments after?
Played it, what shall i do today, ooo ill run that dungeon I have run a 1000 times, as theres nowt else to do in this "should be F2P" game
LOTRO content patch every 2 months
Did not do as well as they thought.. stil adding content every few months just as they planned. lets go back in a year and see how much content they add.
This comment says it all, about your ignorance about LOTRO and turbine games, since LOTRO as been out for 4 months not an year. A true fan me see MMMmm... read what I said, "lets go back in a year" as in lets come back a year from now and see how much as been released.
they never slow down on their other games, why they should slow down with LOTRO?
WOW never trow content patches every 2 months, best they did was every 4 months at start. i'm not any game fanboi like many here, i played wow like many other games, and lemme tell you, about free content patches blizzard sucks bad.
November 2004 - WoW launched
December 18th 2004 - Patch 1.2 ( NEW lvl 40 instance + More items + World xmas event + PvP arena + fixes + balances )
March 7th 2005 - Patch 1.3 ( New lvl 50-55 instance + UI tweaks + Outdoor raid boss + meeting stone system + class skills )
April 8th 2005 - Patch 1.4 ( PvP honor system + class quests + fixes + balances )
June 7th 2005 - Patch 1.5 ( Battle ground system + fixes + balances )
July 12th 2005 - Patch 1.6 - ( New lvl 60 40man instance + lock & warrior talent tree revamps + darkmoon faire event )
September 13th 2005 - Patch 1.7 ( New lvl 60 20man instance + new battleground + hunter talent tree revamp + fishing event )
October 10th 2005 - Patch 1.8 ( New zone "silithus" + 4 world bosses + druid talent tree revamp + fixes + balances )
January 3rd 2006 - Patch 1.9 ( 2 new instances 20/40man + Tier 2 visual changes + linked Auction houses + paladin talent tree revamp + new quests )
So you can see during the first year WoW had 8 content patches ( average 1 every 6 weeks ). adding new instances, world bosses, gear, quests, zones, skills & talents, fixes and balances, pvp, UI tweaks, Events and more.
Nope that's not true, care to learn how to count that's 6 patches in the year of 2005 not 8, there was a grand total of 13 patches since wow release. The first year as in the first 12 months.. how petty to you want to get?
I do agree that content release have been slow since TBC, but TBC was 1 big content patch its self, and we got the patch just around the corner (blizzard likes to tests things - rather then release stuff ASAP to keep a few "i want i want" people happy).
TBC was payed, not free content. But it was content "paid" or otherwise.. again your clutching at straws. If turbin could do paid expansions they would, but they know their player base is not big enough to do that. they are not given expanions for FREE because they are nice guys they are doing it because its the only way they can keep their tiny player base.
And for the record I am not hating on LOTRO, its a nice game.. too much like WoW but a nice game.
I'd also add World of Warcraft is the only game I know of that actually supported player-made add-ons and tried to work with them rather than against them. Most consider them a nuisance and a risk.
@ OP There have been plenty of content patches - Black temple, ogri'la, netherdrakes / nether rays, new arena, and some other stuff. Zul'Aman is coming up very soon. There will also be another 25man raid introduced a few months before WoTLK is released. Rumor is it will be 'The Sunwell'. They have not been very frequent because..
They are working on WoTLK They were working on Starcraft 2 They have been and are still working on another MMO
Collect your resources before posting something like that.
well you should read the official forums, many people bitching at blizzard, because no free content at all this year.
I havent touch WoW in 1.5 years and I pretty sure that I would find it exactly the same way it was if I were to go back to that game.
Yeah, you're right...except for that whole new WORLD called Outland. LOL
I'm happy that AC has added a lot of new stuff, but don't believe the people who say BC didn't add anything. What they really mean is that it didn't add everything they wanted.
@ OP There have been plenty of content patches - Black temple, ogri'la, netherdrakes / nether rays, new arena, and some other stuff. Zul'Aman is coming up very soon. There will also be another 25man raid introduced a few months before WoTLK is released. Rumor is it will be 'The Sunwell'. They have not been very frequent because..
They are working on WoTLK They were working on Starcraft 2 They have been and are still working on another MMO
Collect your resources before posting something like that.
well you should read the official forums, many people bitching at blizzard, because no free content at all this year.
Everybody wants something for nothing. Go buy BC. It's cheap. Plenty of new content. If you're too damn cheap to buy the expansion, you probably can't afford to make the monthly payments either.
I'd also add World of Warcraft is the only game I know of that actually supported player-made add-ons and tried to work with them rather than against them. Most consider them a nuisance and a risk.
EQ2 fully supports player made UI add-on’s the difference being you don’t need them in EQ2 because the base UI does almost everything you need.
Where there is an add on like EQ2 maps that is really useful they not only recommend it but are actually working with the people who make the add-on to ensure it works with future updates to the mapping system.
I'd also add World of Warcraft is the only game I know of that actually supported player-made add-ons and tried to work with them rather than against them. Most consider them a nuisance and a risk.
EQ2 fully supports player made UI add-on’s the difference being you don’t need them in EQ2 because the base UI does almost everything you need.
As does WoWs default UI.
Where there is an add on like EQ2 maps that is really useful they not only recommend it but are actually working with the people who make the add-on to ensure it works with future updates to the mapping system.
Many WoW player made mods get intergrated into the game by blizz devs, things such as
Scrolling combat text
Ready checks
Raid frame (drag out groups from raids... from CTMOD)
And coming soon (blue post on wow forums some place) Damage/heal meter and maybe thread meter.
OP dont even bother replying to Cupertino. This guy is a fanboi of the highest calibur. He posts complete infactual comments on any game that isnt his baby. As far as he is concerned WOW is the only MMO ever made and none of the games that came before it had any bearings at all on WOWs creation.
OP dont even bother replying to Cupertino. This guy is a fanboi of the highest calibur. He posts complete infactual comments on any game that isnt his baby. As far as he is concerned WOW is the only MMO ever made and none of the games that came before it had any bearings at all on WOWs creation.
lol from the posts that cupertino posted about LOTRO on lotro forums, tells me he talks about other games without play them. though OP has a valid point here, i've been saying that for long.
OP dont even bother replying to Cupertino. This guy is a fanboi of the highest calibur. He posts complete infactual comments on any game that isnt his baby. As far as he is concerned WOW is the only MMO ever made and none of the games that came before it had any bearings at all on WOWs creation.
lol from the posts that cupertino posted about LOTRO on lotro forums, tells me he talks about other games without play them. though OP has a valid point here, i've been saying that for long.
Not sure what was infactual about my last reply here? I have never made up stuff about WoW.. all my comments about WoW come with links and sources to support anything I say as fact. Unlike the WoW haters who pull most of their info from their butts.
I have played WoW 0.5.... erm I mean LOTRO and it was a little bit Blah! Why play a game that you know the story of and will never change or suprise you.
OP dont even bother replying to Cupertino. This guy is a fanboi of the highest calibur. He posts complete infactual comments on any game that isnt his baby. As far as he is concerned WOW is the only MMO ever made and none of the games that came before it had any bearings at all on WOWs creation.
lol from the posts that cupertino posted about LOTRO on lotro forums, tells me he talks about other games without play them. though OP has a valid point here, i've been saying that for long.
Not sure what was infactual about my last reply here? I have never made up stuff about WoW.. all my comments about WoW come with links and sources to support anything I say as fact. Unlike the WoW haters who pull most of their info from their butts.
I have played WoW 0.5.... erm I mean LOTRO and it was a little bit Blah! Why play a game that you know the story of and will never change or suprise you.
As to your comment about playing a game that you know the story of, that's one of the things I like about LotRO. With WoW they can pull lore out of their butts just like they did with the Draenei space ship, Exodar. Atleast with LotRO we know that they have to do their best to stick to the lore. Blizzard is able to alter most of the lore to fit whatever they want, which I believe is much easier to do than having to meet the demands of the playerbase whilst keeping the licensors of the LotRs Trilogy happy.
Upcoming content: Patch 2.2 - Zul'Aman, 10 person raid instance, very soon Patch 2.3 - Sunwell, at least 25 man end-game raid dungeon and 5 man dungeon with heroic mode
Upcoming content: Patch 2.2 - Zul'Aman, 10 person raid instance, very soon Patch 2.3 - Sunwell, at least 25 man end-game raid dungeon and 5 man dungeon with heroic mode
And BTW this is the 3rd Content patch since TBC release (7 months) not 1 year. No MMO needs new content for a good 3-4 months after an expansion... unless your a no-lifer.. or a Wow hater.
well after i cancel my wow subscription i tried some games out there, like eq2, guild wars, and lotro. eq2 is a very well done game i liked it, but not many people playing. so i Decided to stay with lotro. ok now comparing LOTRO with my old game WOW.
Much better graphics- the world is full of life, everything moves, the grass, the trees, it has SHADOWS
Quests- ALOT more then in WOW, i'm lvl 39 and i already have 870 completed quests, there is alot of killing x and y quests but they very well done.
Combat-i like it, its not only smash pushing bottoms like in wow, you have to think, your char position counts and you not limited to 3 or 4 skills.
PVP- if i can call that, its very different then wow, at lvl 10 you can play a lvl 50 monster, you can make quests and hunt down the freeps alot of fun here. not better or worse then wow just different.
Craft- ok this game as real craft period. not the wow craft system joke.
Voice chat- very well done, i heard wow implementing it too.
Music system- very well done, you can make you own musics and play them.
Dyes- yes dyes you can really dye your armor.
And lotro getting houses and guild houses this month, i think WOW will never get that.
and i know i missing alot of things, but at work now don't have time for more, all i know is i'm staying on LOTRO a game that really adds new free content evry 2 months, was tired of blizzard greedy.
would be nice if they added a little more content patches but still, theres a lot more to do endgame in wow then most mmos and wows expansions are way bigger then most games(look at eq2's first 3 expansions).
would be nice if they added a little more content patches but still, theres a lot more to do endgame in wow then most mmos and wows expansions are way bigger then most games(look at eq2's first 3 expansions).
what end game? raid more raid and raid again? if you want to do that play DDO at least they have the best dungeons and the best combat system out there. Dungeons that you need to think to finish them, not hack and slash like in wow.
would be nice if they added a little more content patches but still, theres a lot more to do endgame in wow then most mmos and wows expansions are way bigger then most games(look at eq2's first 3 expansions).
what end game? raid more raid and raid again? if you want to do that play DDO at least they have the best dungeons and the best combat system out there. Dungeons that you need to think to finish them, not hack and slash like in wow.
would be nice if they added a little more content patches but still, theres a lot more to do endgame in wow then most mmos and wows expansions are way bigger then most games(look at eq2's first 3 expansions).
what end game? raid more raid and raid again? if you want to do that play DDO at least they have the best dungeons and the best combat system out there. Dungeons that you need to think to finish them, not hack and slash like in wow.
This is so much true.
How is WoW hack and slash? :S You target a mob and use skills or auto attack, that is in no way hack and slash. Isn't hack and slash more like Diablo?
And believe it or not, doing certain WoW dungeons does need some kind of thought and organisation.
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Every Mmo company is about the bottom line regardless of who it is, but your 10th the content is kind of silly. Lotr:O came out with 1 lvl 50 raid which was more than WoW in the instance of being no lvl 60's available at release. BRS was added a month after release along with MC being released about 2 months after release along with Onyxia. (Don't really consider the BRD a lvl 60 instance).
In the end Blizzard, Turbine, and EQ could care less about the individual consumer, but are more worried about the en mass. If all the carebear treehuggin hippies love it and will pay for any game someone will make a game to support that. It's just whatever in the market sells. I believe that the WoW carebear is the biggest seller which is why they will continue pumping out expansions every 10-12months from now till death to keep the extreme casual who doesn't know what a raid is happy.
next month LOTRO gonna get house for guilds, housing for players, guild banks. new 6 and 12 man instances, more public instances, the first balrog, new skills for classes and many more!!! look blizzard says thats a MAJOR patch, turbine did 2 MAJOR content patches in 4 months and next one coming next month, this leaves blizzard with 0 free content updates since january release of TBC, and what you just quoted as nothing new they don't even tell the release date of that patch. they will never see my money again.You guys should wake up and try other games, instead of being ripoff by blizzard, that make millions and don't care about their costumers.
Please do not forget LOTRO had about a 10th of the content WoW had at launch. And all new MMOs throw content at players at the start to convince them to say (its all part of the launch strategy that all companies use.. yes even turbin).. WoW was throwing content at players every 2 or so months in the first year.. after that it slows as it will do with LOTRO too.And if you realy believe that Turbin give a %^££ about you then dream on, they want your money as does blizzard, SoE and others. you not special.. just subscriber number 2832 or whatever.
you don't know turbine at all i see. LOTRO started with 2200 quests, WOW started with 1000.AC, content patch added every month since start.
If you call a GM event a content patch then yes.. your right.
AC2, same as ac till the day they closed it.
Flopped, was releasing planned "held back" content as I explained... upto its death.
DDO content patch every 2 months
Flopped, adding content that they never wanted such as PvP and open areas to get people to play.
LOTRO content patch every 2 months
Did not do as well as they thought.. stil adding content every few months just as they planned. lets go back in a year and see how much content they add.
they never slow down on their other games, why they should slow down with LOTRO?
WOW never trow content patches every 2 months, best they did was every 4 months at start. i'm not any game fanboi like many here, i played wow like many other games, and lemme tell you, about free content patches blizzard sucks bad.
November 2004 - WoW launched
December 18th 2004 - Patch 1.2 ( NEW lvl 40 instance + More items + World xmas event + PvP arena + fixes + balances )
March 7th 2005 - Patch 1.3 ( New lvl 50-55 instance + UI tweaks + Outdoor raid boss + meeting stone system + class skills )
April 8th 2005 - Patch 1.4 ( PvP honor system + class quests + fixes + balances )
June 7th 2005 - Patch 1.5 ( Battle ground system + fixes + balances )
July 12th 2005 - Patch 1.6 - ( New lvl 60 40man instance + lock & warrior talent tree revamps + darkmoon faire event )
September 13th 2005 - Patch 1.7 ( New lvl 60 20man instance + new battleground + hunter talent tree revamp + fishing event )
October 10th 2005 - Patch 1.8 ( New zone "silithus" + 4 world bosses + druid talent tree revamp + fixes + balances )
January 3rd 2006 - Patch 1.9 ( 2 new instances 20/40man + Tier 2 visual changes + linked Auction houses + paladin talent tree revamp + new quests )
So you can see during the first year WoW had 8 content patches ( average 1 every 6 weeks ). adding new instances, world bosses, gear, quests, zones, skills & talents, fixes and balances, pvp, UI tweaks, Events and more.
I do agree that content release have been slow since TBC, but TBC was 1 big content patch its self, and we got the patch just around the corner (blizzard likes to tests things - rather then release stuff ASAP to keep a few "i want i want" people happy).
I wanted to address the claim that World of Warcraft does not care about their customers. Before doing so, I'd like to review some of the 'competition' and their customer service.
Everquest - By far the worst customer service I've experienced. Each time I've come to them with a bug they've come back with "Well you should've done this" or "you need to do that" with 90% of the time it being something I've already done and 5% of the time something that doesn't work. Responses are canned (scripted) and don't work. They've got a real high and mighty attitude problem with legitimate questions, are very slow to respond and try to duct-tape a wreck of a game that should've been thrown in the garbage a long time ago.
Everquest II - Elusive, they don't like to answer similar questions I had about their customer service. I wanted to see if it's the same crew that didn't help me in EQ1. I believe they are.
NC Soft (City of Heroes, GuildWars, Lineage II) - Account and Billing info screens messed up, making it difficult to subscribe to the games, asking irrelevant questions to the problem, and having you set up a separate account for questions(?). Doesn't make a whole lot of sense. They send you an e-mail that you cannot reply to. Rather, you have to go through the whole question pages online again. I'm sure they're nice people, but their customer service system is screwed up. If it gets any worse, I'm dropping the games.
Voyage Century / Shot Online / Fishing Champ - Yeah, there are problems but the games are free so I have no reason to complain.
On to the superior customer satisfaction -
World of Warcraft - EVERY time I had a question or problem in the last 3 years I got an immediate response. It was a live person (no stupid macro's telling me to do things I've already tried) who asked questions, listened and gave appropriate actions. They'll fix a problem long-term instead of doing just enough to keep the customer quiet. They've done a bang-up job greatly reducing goldspams that you still see on broadcast of Everquest II. Most of the time I don't need to contact them, as the "help" button can get me out of most situations on my own (stuck character, questions, etc.). Not only do these people care, but they know what they're doing. My money goes to them and I'm glad they're taking it. Love the game (though am hoping for a graphics update), but moreso love how I'm treated like royalty.
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You guys should wake up and try other games, instead of being ripoff by blizzard, that make millions and don't care about their costumers.
Please do not forget LOTRO had about a 10th of the content WoW had at launch. And all new MMOs throw content at players at the start to convince them to say (its all part of the launch strategy that all companies use.. yes even turbin).. WoW was throwing content at players every 2 or so months in the first year.. after that it slows as it will do with LOTRO too.And if you realy believe that Turbin give a %^££ about you then dream on, they want your money as does blizzard, SoE and others. you not special.. just subscriber number 2832 or whatever.
you don't know turbine at all i see. LOTRO started with 2200 quests, WOW started with 1000.AC, content patch added every month since start.
If you call a GM event a content patch then yes.. your right.
Nope, content patches every month not gm's events, but yes it has that also something wow never has.
AC2, same as ac till the day they closed it.
Flopped, was releasing planned "held back" content as I explained... upto its death.
this game was released 2 years before WOW, you never played it you don't know nothing about it, because if you knew, you would agree that 70% of WOW at release was an ac2 ripoff. Same UI, same combat, boss raids, pvp, etc.
DDO content patch every 2 months
Flopped, adding content that they never wanted such as PvP and open areas to get people to play.
Like i said before, care to play the games and make your comments after?
LOTRO content patch every 2 months
Did not do as well as they thought.. stil adding content every few months just as they planned. lets go back in a year and see how much content they add.
This comment says it all, about your ignorance about LOTRO and turbine games, since LOTRO as been out for 4 months not an year.
they never slow down on their other games, why they should slow down with LOTRO?
WOW never trow content patches every 2 months, best they did was every 4 months at start. i'm not any game fanboi like many here, i played wow like many other games, and lemme tell you, about free content patches blizzard sucks bad.
November 2004 - WoW launched
December 18th 2004 - Patch 1.2 ( NEW lvl 40 instance + More items + World xmas event + PvP arena + fixes + balances )
March 7th 2005 - Patch 1.3 ( New lvl 50-55 instance + UI tweaks + Outdoor raid boss + meeting stone system + class skills )
April 8th 2005 - Patch 1.4 ( PvP honor system + class quests + fixes + balances )
June 7th 2005 - Patch 1.5 ( Battle ground system + fixes + balances )
July 12th 2005 - Patch 1.6 - ( New lvl 60 40man instance + lock & warrior talent tree revamps + darkmoon faire event )
September 13th 2005 - Patch 1.7 ( New lvl 60 20man instance + new battleground + hunter talent tree revamp + fishing event )
October 10th 2005 - Patch 1.8 ( New zone "silithus" + 4 world bosses + druid talent tree revamp + fixes + balances )
January 3rd 2006 - Patch 1.9 ( 2 new instances 20/40man + Tier 2 visual changes + linked Auction houses + paladin talent tree revamp + new quests )
So you can see during the first year WoW had 8 content patches ( average 1 every 6 weeks ). adding new instances, world bosses, gear, quests, zones, skills & talents, fixes and balances, pvp, UI tweaks, Events and more.
Nope that's not true, care to learn how to count that's 6 patches in the year of 2005 not 8, there was a grand total of 13 patches since wow release.
I do agree that content release have been slow since TBC, but TBC was 1 big content patch its self, and we got the patch just around the corner (blizzard likes to tests things - rather then release stuff ASAP to keep a few "i want i want" people happy).
TBC was payed, not free content.
Try someday to set up your own private server installing only WoW that was released at lunch without any patches version 1.00 and use gm commands to get to all the locations. You will find out there are already all the locations released later on like MC, bwl, aq, zg, caverns of time, outlands, part of northrend, old hillsbrad, all the battlegrounds and even a few zones that are not announced yet and will be added later on. This may be a good business strategy but calling just opening zones to players monthly updates is a bit silly.
DDo is getting content updates every month, they added 1 race(1 is coming in a few months together with a new class), around 80 new dungeons, 7 raid dungeons, 100 new spells, 30 feats, raised level cap from 10 to 14 and so on.
I have the same hopes for montly updates for Lotro, Turbine always did a great job in content updates eventho they are much smaller development studio in compare to blizzard.
REALITY CHECK
Shows how much some people have no clue in life sometimes. and how much they barely know Turbine. Just to show Asheron's Call has reveice like 82 updates so far and every month there was new content given. just take a look at this site http://www.thejackcat.com/AC/Home/NewStuff.htm
Have fun reading up on all that stuff, I have played AC for over 3 years now, and if I were to go back Im pretty sure I wouldnt recognize the game at all. I havent touch WoW in 1.5 years and I pretty sure that I would find it exactly the same way it was if I were to go back to that game.
One thing I always could count on Turbine is there will always be something coming out on schedule with them and with Lotro there will always be updates every 2 months we already know whats coming for October and we also now know the theme for December also. and I bet there be another update February, April, June, August... there arent to many MMOs out there that do that kind of stuff.
So I wouldnt dish that out, but its a different way to do things, turbine are betting on that, wow there betting on there xpansion packs. So who really cares anyway how you get the stuff if you still enjoy your game. But I do like having a way to know what to expect and knowing that in 6 weeks we getting some new cool stuff to play with hehe.
You guys should wake up and try other games, instead of being ripoff by blizzard, that make millions and don't care about their costumers.
Please do not forget LOTRO had about a 10th of the content WoW had at launch. And all new MMOs throw content at players at the start to convince them to say (its all part of the launch strategy that all companies use.. yes even turbin).. WoW was throwing content at players every 2 or so months in the first year.. after that it slows as it will do with LOTRO too.And if you realy believe that Turbin give a %^££ about you then dream on, they want your money as does blizzard, SoE and others. you not special.. just subscriber number 2832 or whatever.
you don't know turbine at all i see. LOTRO started with 2200 quests, WOW started with 1000.AC, content patch added every month since start.
If you call a GM event a content patch then yes.. your right.
Nope, content patches every month not gm's events, but yes it has that also something wow never has.
Its mainly GM events for the last 2 years, plus its dead easy to add content to a simple game like AC, as the gfx are basic and players dont expect the quality we have today.
AC2, same as ac till the day they closed it.
Flopped, was releasing planned "held back" content as I explained... upto its death.
this game was released 2 years before WOW, you never played it you don't know nothing about it, because if you knew, you would agree that 70% of WOW at release was an ac2 ripoff. Same UI, same combat, boss raids, pvp, etc.
I suggest you look at Diablo and see where AC got it ideas from.
DDO content patch every 2 months
Flopped, adding content that they never wanted such as PvP and open areas to get people to play.
Like i said before, care to play the games and make your comments after?
Played it, what shall i do today, ooo ill run that dungeon I have run a 1000 times, as theres nowt else to do in this "should be F2P" game
LOTRO content patch every 2 months
Did not do as well as they thought.. stil adding content every few months just as they planned. lets go back in a year and see how much content they add.
This comment says it all, about your ignorance about LOTRO and turbine games, since LOTRO as been out for 4 months not an year. A true fan me see MMMmm... read what I said, "lets go back in a year" as in lets come back a year from now and see how much as been released.
they never slow down on their other games, why they should slow down with LOTRO?
WOW never trow content patches every 2 months, best they did was every 4 months at start. i'm not any game fanboi like many here, i played wow like many other games, and lemme tell you, about free content patches blizzard sucks bad.
November 2004 - WoW launched
December 18th 2004 - Patch 1.2 ( NEW lvl 40 instance + More items + World xmas event + PvP arena + fixes + balances )
March 7th 2005 - Patch 1.3 ( New lvl 50-55 instance + UI tweaks + Outdoor raid boss + meeting stone system + class skills )
April 8th 2005 - Patch 1.4 ( PvP honor system + class quests + fixes + balances )
June 7th 2005 - Patch 1.5 ( Battle ground system + fixes + balances )
July 12th 2005 - Patch 1.6 - ( New lvl 60 40man instance + lock & warrior talent tree revamps + darkmoon faire event )
September 13th 2005 - Patch 1.7 ( New lvl 60 20man instance + new battleground + hunter talent tree revamp + fishing event )
October 10th 2005 - Patch 1.8 ( New zone "silithus" + 4 world bosses + druid talent tree revamp + fixes + balances )
January 3rd 2006 - Patch 1.9 ( 2 new instances 20/40man + Tier 2 visual changes + linked Auction houses + paladin talent tree revamp + new quests )
So you can see during the first year WoW had 8 content patches ( average 1 every 6 weeks ). adding new instances, world bosses, gear, quests, zones, skills & talents, fixes and balances, pvp, UI tweaks, Events and more.
Nope that's not true, care to learn how to count that's 6 patches in the year of 2005 not 8, there was a grand total of 13 patches since wow release. The first year as in the first 12 months.. how petty to you want to get?
I do agree that content release have been slow since TBC, but TBC was 1 big content patch its self, and we got the patch just around the corner (blizzard likes to tests things - rather then release stuff ASAP to keep a few "i want i want" people happy).
TBC was payed, not free content. But it was content "paid" or otherwise.. again your clutching at straws. If turbin could do paid expansions they would, but they know their player base is not big enough to do that. they are not given expanions for FREE because they are nice guys they are doing it because its the only way they can keep their tiny player base.
And for the record I am not hating on LOTRO, its a nice game.. too much like WoW but a nice game.
I'd also add World of Warcraft is the only game I know of that actually supportedplayer-made add-ons and tried to work with them rather than against them.
Most consider them a nuisance and a risk.
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well you should read the official forums, many people bitching at blizzard, because no free content at all this year.
forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html
I'm happy that AC has added a lot of new stuff, but don't believe the people who say BC didn't add anything. What they really mean is that it didn't add everything they wanted.
well you should read the official forums, many people bitching at blizzard, because no free content at all this year.
forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html
Everybody wants something for nothing. Go buy BC. It's cheap. Plenty of new content. If you're too damn cheap to buy the expansion, you probably can't afford to make the monthly payments either.
EQ2 fully supports player made UI add-on’s the difference being you don’t need them in EQ2 because the base UI does almost everything you need.
As does WoWs default UI.
Many WoW player made mods get intergrated into the game by blizz devs, things such as
OP dont even bother replying to Cupertino. This guy is a fanboi of the highest calibur. He posts complete infactual comments on any game that isnt his baby. As far as he is concerned WOW is the only MMO ever made and none of the games that came before it had any bearings at all on WOWs creation.
lol from the posts that cupertino posted about LOTRO on lotro forums, tells me he talks about other games without play them. though OP has a valid point here, i've been saying that for long.
lol from the posts that cupertino posted about LOTRO on lotro forums, tells me he talks about other games without play them. though OP has a valid point here, i've been saying that for long.
Not sure what was infactual about my last reply here? I have never made up stuff about WoW.. all my comments about WoW come with links and sources to support anything I say as fact. Unlike the WoW haters who pull most of their info from their butts.
I have played WoW 0.5.... erm I mean LOTRO and it was a little bit Blah! Why play a game that you know the story of and will never change or suprise you.
lol from the posts that cupertino posted about LOTRO on lotro forums, tells me he talks about other games without play them. though OP has a valid point here, i've been saying that for long.
Not sure what was infactual about my last reply here? I have never made up stuff about WoW.. all my comments about WoW come with links and sources to support anything I say as fact. Unlike the WoW haters who pull most of their info from their butts.
I have played WoW 0.5.... erm I mean LOTRO and it was a little bit Blah! Why play a game that you know the story of and will never change or suprise you.
As to your comment about playing a game that you know the story of, that's one of the things I like about LotRO. With WoW they can pull lore out of their butts just like they did with the Draenei space ship, Exodar. Atleast with LotRO we know that they have to do their best to stick to the lore.
Upcoming content:
Patch 2.2 - Zul'Aman, 10 person raid instance, very soon
Patch 2.3 - Sunwell, at least 25 man end-game raid dungeon and 5 man dungeon with heroic mode
lol all of that content for one year?
lol all of that content for one year?
He forgot to mension VOIP and Mac Movie capture in 2.2 and all this www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/test-realm-patchnotes.html
And BTW this is the 3rd Content patch since TBC release (7 months) not 1 year. No MMO needs new content for a good 3-4 months after an expansion... unless your a no-lifer.. or a Wow hater.
well after i cancel my wow subscription i tried some games out there, like eq2, guild wars, and lotro. eq2 is a very well done game i liked it, but not many people playing. so i Decided to stay with lotro. ok now comparing LOTRO with my old game WOW.
Much better graphics- the world is full of life, everything moves, the grass, the trees, it has SHADOWS
Quests- ALOT more then in WOW, i'm lvl 39 and i already have 870 completed quests, there is alot of killing x and y quests but they very well done.
Combat-i like it, its not only smash pushing bottoms like in wow, you have to think, your char position counts and you not limited to 3 or 4 skills.
PVP- if i can call that, its very different then wow, at lvl 10 you can play a lvl 50 monster, you can make quests and hunt down the freeps alot of fun here. not better or worse then wow just different.
Craft- ok this game as real craft period. not the wow craft system joke.
Voice chat- very well done, i heard wow implementing it too.
Music system- very well done, you can make you own musics and play them.
Dyes- yes dyes you can really dye your armor.
And lotro getting houses and guild houses this month, i think WOW will never get that.
and i know i missing alot of things, but at work now don't have time for more, all i know is i'm staying on LOTRO a game that really adds new free content evry 2 months, was tired of blizzard greedy.
what end game? raid more raid and raid again? if you want to do that play DDO at least they have the best dungeons and the best combat system out there. Dungeons that you need to think to finish them, not hack and slash like in wow.
what end game? raid more raid and raid again? if you want to do that play DDO at least they have the best dungeons and the best combat system out there. Dungeons that you need to think to finish them, not hack and slash like in wow.
This is so much true.
REALITY CHECK
what end game? raid more raid and raid again? if you want to do that play DDO at least they have the best dungeons and the best combat system out there. Dungeons that you need to think to finish them, not hack and slash like in wow.
This is so much true.
How is WoW hack and slash? :S You target a mob and use skills or auto attack, that is in no way hack and slash. Isn't hack and slash more like Diablo?
And believe it or not, doing certain WoW dungeons does need some kind of thought and organisation.