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I just quit WoW and here's why...
TrikkyMakk
Member Posts: 61
1) Blizzard claimed it was for casual players as well as hardcore players. And that is true as far as leveling to the current max. Once you max out everyone is pretty much in the same boat as far as progress goes. The main difference comes right back to whether you are hardcore or casual. I personally have to get up very early in the morning to go work all day and so only have a few hours each night to play. Getting a lot of people together (even 5 or 10) can take that long to all show up, get where they got to be, etc. Unless you have a pool of high school kids that play or an enormous amount of friends that play then perhaps this isn't such a big hurdle but when the only people to play with are online you either can't do anything casually OR you can join a huge guild that micro manages everything and forces you to play a certain way. Of course you can always join a pickup group which is basically taking your chances.
2) It is almost impossible to experience a well rounded game unless you spec your talents a certain way and this is not a major problem for some classes but for others it is. And they offer you talents as if you have a big choice in play style but in reality you either cookie cutter it the way everyone else is so you can hope to be good at whatever it is you want to do, be it dungeon or pvp, or else your character will just suck because you spread your talents out too much. Also, they keep bringing out new things in an attempts to balance it out and make weak classes better but it never really seems to work out.
3) Even Blizzard themselves will admit that the classes are not balanced. So you better pick one of their favorites like a rogue or a paladin AND spec the way they want you to as mentioned in reason 2 or you will be a second rate support class until you are ready to conform. And even then it probably will become unbalanced at some point in the near future (unless you are the class du jour).
4) I really like to play pvp as fighting bots gets tiresome. Unfortunately the PVP suffers from several different problems ranging from no one playing unless they have incentives like double honor weekends to people hiding in various locations and not even playing to get honor. And if a team looks like it is all from the same server then most of the time your team just gives up. This is just not fun.
5) The most expensive thing in the game is a mount. This one isn't really a reason I left but it still bugs.
The problems that I found in this game are usually varying combinations of the above 4 reasons. Now this is not really a flame post as much as just a reasons I personally quit post. Blizzard did do a lot of things right with this game but I think they did a lot of things wrong as well. It probably is one of the best games out there still but if you don't like going along with the cookie cutter majority consider my reasons listed above. Also, I have played (and my wife has played as well) since about a month after beta.
It was real and it was fun but it wasn't real fun.
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I had to stop reading at this point. If you think Blizzard has any respect at all for Rogues or Paladins, clearly you have never played either.
wow maybe ya just need a break , as far as blizzards favorites lol, id have to go with warlock or hunters pallys are there least favorite i bet they wish they didint even have them because they cant figure out how to properly make them after bc
Some lead and some follow I prefer to stand beside!
QFT.I had to stop reading at this point. If you think Blizzard has any respect at all for Rogues or Paladins, clearly you have never played either.
Blizzard hates rogues and has nerfed them every single patch since the release of the game. In fact Warlocks are blizzards favorite proven by the hidden text on the class link which has since been changed to say "and hey you found some hidden text, there must be some giant conspiracy here". Which is true there is a conspiracy about blizzard and their lust for warlocks.
Blizz loves Allies - not classes. I quit because the upcoming expansion is the same as BC. When a developer resorts to heroic mode (i.e. we're too lazy to make any new instances so we going to make you do the ones you've already done but harder), that's enough for me. BG's and no more 40 man's ruined Wow for me. World PvP was a lot of fun but it's all but gone now and there's no way they can go back. Don't get me wrong. Blizz makes great games and I'll try their next title but Wow has lost its luster for me.
Just take a break and then come back to the game you like to play. This happens in every mmo game. You can't please everyone all the time
Also, what people need to start realizing is that NO game you will ever play is perfectly balanced, nor is it ever meant to be. If a rouge can take damage like a warrior then theres a problem, if a lock can do damage like a mage, theres a problem, if a shaman can heal like a priest, theres a problem.
You get the idea. No game you will ever play is meant to be balanced, if you're looking for something that can do it all, go to a sandbox game like pre-cu SWG and custom out your character and put thought into it, then you'll understand.
"And after blizzard takes over the world, they are gonna gather a bunch of lemmings, sit on their fat asses near a cliff, and watch the little fuzzy bastards suicide dive into the ground below. . . . . all just for their own entertainment."
Well so far the only flames have been regarding my mention of rogues and paladins. I know a lot of people (including myself) who are sick of the stunlocking. And I haven't seen rogues, as some claim, be nerfed every patch. From what I have seen it is actually the opposite. Regardless, the stunlocking, the immune to everything for 30 seconds with a 1 minute cooldown, etc is ridiculous. I probably shouldn't have mentioned paladins but as many times as I have seen 4 or 5 players whacking on a paladin and it still takes forever to kill him I couldn't help mention it. I probably should have specified as well that I was referring to pvp. And no, I have not played a rogue to 70 because everytime I start a rogue toon I end up getting bored with it, but hey that's me.
Anyhoo, thanks for the nice comments as well.
Warlocks used to be the bomb shiznizzo but now you are forced to spec demonology if you want to have any kind of chance in pvp. Dots aren't that effective when rogues can remove everything, mages can remove and escape from everything, paladins can remove everything, you cannot reach hunters half the time because their range is crazy plus their pet is destroying you while they burn down your mana and priests can remove all the magic. Warriors go immune to fear and fear is really the only thing warlocks have for crowd control. Warlocks used to be the mushroom. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJWeWMKfa3g
Flame away!
Don't take it as a flame, as I didn't mean it to be inflammatory. I just wanted to point out, as the person after me has already done, that Rogues and Paladins have been nerfed consistently for over 2 years and only recently have begun to get back their usefulness.
I stopped playing my Rogue because of the stunlocking. It used to be difficult to do, a feat that only the best Rogues could do properly, but the mechanics have since changed and it is no longer based on timing and proper handling of combo points but instead is based on whether your epics have enough DPS to kill your target before he can unstun himself. Even at their best, Rogues and Paladins are based on cheap wannabe-uber tactics and I just got sick of it all together. Although, to be honest, just about every other class is based on the same thing. The entire game was built with the "you can't win so just be as annoying as possible" playstyle in mind.
Try playing a offline RPG a while.
Try playing the other faction.
Try going to a differnt server or server type
Or the biggest thing that will make ya want to come back is play a F2P mmo
Don't take it as a flame, as I didn't mean it to be inflammatory. I just wanted to point out, as the person after me has already done, that Rogues and Paladins have been nerfed consistently for over 2 years and only recently have begun to get back their usefulness.
Thanks for your post and I agree, especially with the 'you can;t win so just be as annoying as possible' line. My main pvp character was a feral druid and my other was a lock. Druid is imo the worst thought out class of them all. Don't play druid unless you want to be a healer and if you do want to heal you might as well be a priest. And I remember the days when warlocks were a joke. Then they gave warlocks death coil and they became uber powerful. Then recently they have been weakening them again (unless you spec demonology).I stopped playing my Rogue because of the stunlocking. It used to be difficult to do, a feat that only the best Rogues could do properly, but the mechanics have since changed and it is no longer based on timing and proper handling of combo points but instead is based on whether your epics have enough DPS to kill your target before he can unstun himself. Even at their best, Rogues and Paladins are based on cheap wannabe-uber tactics and I just got sick of it all together. Although, to be honest, just about every other class is based on the same thing. The entire game was built with the "you can't win so just be as annoying as possible" playstyle in mind.
Like I have said, WoW did do a lot of things right, just not enough for the casual player. Now they are going to start letting you buy arena honor with honor points but not the new stuff. Again, if you are casual you will never have the good stuff. Only the crap that the hardcore players don't want anymore. I think if they would focus more on making it playable for casual players and balance things out I would return.
I think what would be good for me would be a game that is skill based and not level based, similar to how UO used to be before Argent Dawn(?).
And for now I would tend to agree with you, which is unfortunate given the number of mmorpgs out there right now.
I find some of your complaints to be a little weak:
Not a problem I've ever had. Especially since summoning stones require only 2 people to summon the entire group. If you want to start fast, you will be one of those people, so it only takes one of the remaining 4 to make stuff happen pretty quickly.
Agreed that joining a PUG is taking your chances. But a lot of PuGs will either contain one or two decent players. If you add these to your friends list, it won't be long before you have a long list of people you can do instances with
I'm in a medium sized guild that regularly puts together instance groups. We don't force specs, or raid too seriously, but we do manage to regularly run instances together - e.g. I was in a guild group that cleared heroic botanica last night. I'd suspect similar guilds exist on most servers.
By "well rounded game" I suspect you mean be capable of (a) Instancing, (b) PvP and (c) Grinding. In which case I'd agree that some classes are forced to spec in a single fashion (although if you remove grinding, and only consider instancing / pvp, only palas can fairly consider themselves forced - blizz has recognised this problem and are working to improve retridins).
But what do you want? Every class has multiple specs that are viable right up to 70. Do you seriously expect a system where everyone can do everything? At least in WoW people have the option to fundamentally change their character by respeccing. Unlike in certain other games (e.g. EQ, LotrO) where customization is more a matter of a slight change of emphasis rather than radical enough to completely change a persons role in a group.
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Just don't let the expansion coming up lure back in. That is their draw to casuals who don't raid constantly (Since expansions screw over top end guilds and all their work). Don't support Blizzard being lazy to develop innovative content!
Well it's actually immune for 12 seconds, not 30 and it's a 5 min cooldown, not 1 minute. That's a huge difference. For every time you see a Paladin immune while 4 or 5 players are beating on him, you missed the 99 times that his shield wasn't available and he got owned. Try playing a Paladin and see if you feel the same way about him. Not saying the Paladin is gimped, he can hold his own, but he's not overpowered either. Don't forget that while that Paladin is immune his attacks are slowed to half speed and the Paladin isn't a killing machine in the first place, so for the most part all he's doing is delaying the inevitable a few seconds.
WoW is not a bad game...its just bad to stay as long as we did. Its time to let it go, move on to something new. After a while, the nightmares fade and youll realize it wasnt all bad
Torrential
Torrential: DAOC (Pendragon)
Awned: World of Warcraft (Lothar)
Torren: Warhammer Online (Praag)
everything you said so far lose all their credits when you said something stupid like this
and dude, stunlock is really difficult to do and it had been nerf a long time ago.Do you even know how many times can a character be stun before he gets immune to it?
everything you said so far lose all their credits when you said something stupid like this
and dude, stunlock is really difficult to do and it had been nerf a long time ago.Do you even know how many times can a character be stun before he gets immune to it?
ok 30 seconds or 12 seconds, it doesn't really matter. Blizzard has claimed in the past that they didn't want players to be totally incapacitated and that as we know is untrue as well. They haven't been nerfed that long also assuming they have indeed been nerfed. This is still a controversy for many people and will probably never be agreed on. And again my post was not to ping in on rogues or paladins. I understand people are very protective of their chosen classes. Both of those classes have been overpowered at some time or other as they all have, even druid in the beginning. Blizzard changes it up every patch it seems. The point is, and as I said Blizzard has even said this, that the classes are not balanced.Please quit flaming about how rogues are not overpowered or paladins are not overpowered. That wasn't the point of my post. The point was to give my opinion and reasons as to why I have left the game. Yes WoW is probably still the best mmorpg out there, they did a lot of things right. But it ain't perfect and a lot of people read these forums to hear peoples opinions so they can get an idea of what the game is about from people who have played.
Indeed, however the type of opinions you are speaking of generally come from players with a sliver of knowledge about the game, you've done nothing but spew garbage thats incorrect in 95% of your "opinions".
By what you've written, you think Paladins and Rogues are more overpowered than a Druid, which tells me right there that you've definetly not played the 70 game, or you play on an absolutely craptastic realm of scrubby freshness, either way you lack the experienced opinion you are trying to claim you have.
Fact: Rogues were nerfed the first three patches directly after the release of the game, and have continued to be nerfed as the years progressed.
Fact: Paladins had there whole combat system removed and replaced with something nobody had seen or tested before, all under players noses, 1 week before the release of WoW.
I'll take a giant leap and guess that you play a Warlock, as you clearly seem to have no hate for them and don't believe they are overpowered in anyway (lolz). Seems like another lock crying over the DoT nerf in a roundabout manner, I've seen this so many times on the forums over the last week that its pathetic.
WoW isn't for everyone, and judging by your post quitting was the best thing you could've done, both for yourself and anyone unfortunate enough to have had to play on your realm.
Sugar coating it like you've attempted accomplishes nothing, get a clue before you post a load of shit like this again.
Indeed, however the type of opinions you are speaking of generally come from players with a sliver of knowledge about the game, you've done nothing but spew garbage thats incorrect in 95% of your "opinions".
By what you've written, you think Paladins and Rogues are more overpowered than a Druid, which tells me right there that you've definetly not played the 70 game, or you play on an absolutely craptastic realm of scrubby freshness, either way you lack the experienced opinion you are trying to claim you have.
Fact: Rogues were nerfed the first three patches directly after the release of the game, and have continued to be nerfed as the years progressed.
Fact: Paladins had there whole combat system removed and replaced with something nobody had seen or tested before, all under players noses, 1 week before the release of WoW.
I'll take a giant leap and guess that you play a Warlock, as you clearly seem to have no hate for them and don't believe they are overpowered in anyway (lolz). Seems like another lock crying over the DoT nerf in a roundabout manner, I've seen this so many times on the forums over the last week that its pathetic.
WoW isn't for everyone, and judging by your post quitting was the best thing you could've done, both for yourself and anyone unfortunate enough to have had to play on your realm.
Sugar coating it like you've attempted accomplishes nothing, get a clue before you post a load of shit like this again.
Go flame somewhere else, like WoWs boards. They probably need you there more than we do here.
Its not a flame in any way, shape or form.
If you cant handle opinions that differ from your own (when yours are so full of holes and bold faced mistruths), then YOU sir need to stay away from online forums, not the other way around.
I pointed out exactly where you were wrong, why you were wrong, and what I based that conclusion on.
If you cant take the heat, stay out of the kitchen junior.
My rogue would eat you for breakfast and spit you back out, lack of skill tastes like shit, even if its smothered in barbeque sauce and a fresh layer of tears.
nothing Dark said was a flame, get some comprehension
you came here and:
- QQ'ed like a baby
- trashed other classes
- made ludicrous assumptions and tried to pass them off as facts
- are unwilling to listen to others who clearly have superior knowledge regarding the game
- flamed users yourself when you were confronted (as shown above by your callous comment to Dark)
- acted like you had a clue, when you did not have any such thing
get over yourself, your bad at wow, learn2acceptresponsibilityforyourownfailures
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I can see your epitaph now, on the day you expire. It will read "Wasted Potential".
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Do we really need another "This is why I quit WoW" thread?!?!?!
Jesus Christ people... when does the tourture end?!
Apparently the OP thinks someone here gives a fuck.
OP is mistaken.
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I can see your epitaph now, on the day you expire. It will read "Wasted Potential".
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nothing Dark said was a flame, get some comprehension
you came here and:
- QQ'ed like a baby
- trashed other classes
- made ludicrous assumptions and tried to pass them off as facts
- are unwilling to listen to others who clearly have superior knowledge regarding the game
- flamed users yourself when you were confronted (as shown above by your callous comment to Dark)
- acted like you had a clue, when you did not have any such thing
get over yourself, your bad at wow, learn2acceptresponsibilityforyourownfailures
For the final time, let me make it spell it out for he flamers:
1) I said the game is not really for casual players except for the initial getting to 70. In end game you must be hardcore which equates to having lots and lots of time to prepare and spend time over and over again in dungeons. Casual player means you don't spend as much time playing because you don't have time to or you don't want to.
2) You do have to spec a certain way and it ends up being cookie cutter. Some classes can re-spec easier than others.
3) I said it is unbalanced. It is and Blizzard admits this, its int he most recent warcraft weekly.
4) The pvp really does need a whole lot of work. If you need to ask why then why don;t you try pvping? On a pvp server even.
5) The most expensive thing in the game is not really the mount anymore but the training. Sorry about that technicality.
So why don't you guys who stop flaming my thread actually read it instead of assuming I am simply trashing the game and dispute what I am saying (which I have simpified above because apparently you are slow). My points are valid and I am entitled to an opinion. You on the other hand are just flaming like the baby you claim I am being. And when I thought players were flaming and then it turned out they weren't I responded accordingly. Some people, if you actually read what they said, are intelligent and are correct. Again, take it to the WoW forums because that is where you belong (or Barrenschat).