EVE Online heads down South

KnivesOnly · October 2007

CCP Games opening new North American MMOG development studio near White Wolf partner in Georgia.

http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6180359.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;4

batolemaeus · October 2007

Imagine the world of darkness mixed with eves one-world philosophy..

Cant wait for the WoD-MMO. I love Ccp, and i like WoD..

Stormsblade · October 2007

It better not be PvE based.

windstrike1 · October 2007

Our last hope for a good MMO before the genra is officially over.

Nicoli · October 2007

Originally posted by Stormsblade

It better not be PvE based.

You've never tried EVE have you. The last thing that CCP tries to do is make PVE a core aspect of the game.

CPmmo · October 2007

Originally posted by Nicoli

Originally posted by Stormsblade

It better not be PvE based.

You've never tried EVE have you. The last thing that CCP tries to do is make PVE a core aspect of the game.

I can seem them making a Faction based (RvR) style of game similar to DAoC. If they do it and do it right they can integrate just the right amount of PVE to draw in that crowd and still keep a ton of PVPers happy in the game.

I doubt it will be just like EVE though, since EVE's game style doesn't really fit the World of Darkness IP. (At least not the complete open PVP that EVE has).

velocity · October 2007

I think its gona be a good game, btw just started playing EVE, got a minmater Cruiser , going for hurricane and when revalation 3 is coming we get new effect,DX10,etc etc etc..

Kurir · October 2007

Originally posted by Stormsblade

It better not be PvE based.

Well if they make if solely PvP based then they will only experience the limited results that Eve has demonstrated.

0over0 · October 2007

Originally posted by Kurir

Originally posted by Stormsblade

It better not be PvE based.

Well if they make if solely PvP based then they will only experience the limited results that Eve has demonstrated.

It's a successful game and its fans love it--nothing limited in that at all. Not every game can or should be a WoW.

DefiledF · October 2007

Originally posted by 0over0

Originally posted by Kurir

Originally posted by Stormsblade

It better not be PvE based.

Well if they make if solely PvP based then they will only experience the limited results that Eve has demonstrated.

It's a successful game and its fans love it--nothing limited in that at all. Not every game can or should be a WoW.

We don't love it. It's sadly the best thing in the MMO department atm tho.

The game itself has its brilliant and its downright atrocious parts. The POS warfare could be improved drastically, the PVE is so mind numbing that it's about as bad as korean grinders, etc. Could really do with many improvements, but the core ideas and some of the core gameplay is awesome tho.

0over0 · October 2007

Some fans love it Seriously, though, nothing is perfect. It has its faults to be sure, but overall, it's a good game (have played it before for about a year and a half--not currently subscribed to EVE, though).

Back on topic: It is encouraging to see them open a development office near White Wolf's headquarters. That means they want the people responsible for the original content close to the people now responsible for its online implementation--a very good sign.

jan84 · October 2007

[quote]Originally posted by CPmmo

Originally posted by Nicoli
Originally posted by Stormsblade
It better not be PvE based.

I doubt it will be just like EVE though, since EVE's game style doesn't really fit the World of Darkness IP. (At least not the complete open PVP that EVE has).

You are indeed very very wrong about this my friend.

Think of Vampire the Masquerade with the Camarilla and the diffrent Vampire houses fighting for theyre position in the city, for theyre primogen to be prince of the city, with eve's passive skilling system making youre vampire stronger the older he gets. Developers that actually take part in youre own game and therefore can have a clue of how theyre players want it.

A strict system that get rids of people that breaks the masquerade constantly by jumpin freneticly while Yelling LOLOLOLOL I PWN YOO NOOB! Just like in Eve people will probably hate those people that brags about theyre achievments in world of warcraft when there is really nothing to loose there while we loose everything there is when we die in Eve.

The many diffrent vampire Clans Nosferatu brujah ventrue and all the others i can see this game to be the big big Clash that will steal people from AOC in about 2 - 3 Years.

Ozmodan · October 2007

Whining about pve in Eve is like going to an eye doctor and complaining about your feet. If you love pve, Eve is not really the game for you. CCP puts pve in the game for ways to supplement your income, it is not intended to be the main focus of the game.

Uraziel · October 2007

That's true, I still play Vampire - the masquerade - Bloodlines. The concept is great even though it's pretty linear for todays gaming.

jan84 · October 2007

Uraziel the point is that its such a great content CCP is not known for making WoW clones or even games that attract the broader audience they are known for staying true to theyre own visions and taking steps out in the unknown and creating a world and a game that they would like themselves and alot of us aswell.

People think that World of warcraft is such a great game however it is not and its quite obvious why it has gotten so many subscribers .. first of all blizzard threw in a couple of hundred million dollars to get World of warcraft Commercials on TV in over 70 countrys making the Computer Nerd thing go away quite a large bit which made alot of first timers try it and get addicted, that is one of the parts to it.

Another part i see quite alot on this forum is look how bad Eve online is doing they only have like 150000 Subscribers, let me tell you why this is. CCP does not sellout theyre game for the broader audience they donot care about making billions what they do care about is staying true to theyre vision and being innovative which is not a thing you can say about many Game companys these days.

Just look at how they use an unexplored part of the MMORPG world like World of darkness. The gothic vampire / Lycan template has yet to be explored and not only that they but Vampire the masquerade has a fanbase and a legacy far greater then blizzard has its even greater then Warhammer which says hell of alot.

This means No fantasy no spaceships no robots but a MMORPG world which will look like no other just like when they made Eve Online.

Uraziel · October 2007

I'm not sure what you are referring to tbh, I play EVE..with two accounts.

jan84 · October 2007

Originally posted by Uraziel

I'm not sure what you are referring to tbh, I play EVE..with two accounts.

Well Vampire the masquerade got quite abit of a fan base not only is it one of the best RPG's of all times but there has also been done a TV series about it and the movies Underworld and Underworld 2 has been inspired from it.

here are some links.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire:_The_Masquerade

The TV series named Kindred the embraced

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kindred:_the_Embraced

more info about the Genre

http://vampirerpg.free.fr/

Uraziel · October 2007

I know that, I'm just saying that Bloodlines was basically an "open"RPG, but it is way too linear for todays gaming market.

You can make a perfect MMO out of it and I might even replace WAR for it.

( And personally, I'm more of a fan of the Vampires in Hellsing ( note, not the European, but Japanese version))

jan84 · October 2007

A perfect MMORPG ouch that does not sound well in my ears since people have tryed to talk me into that WoW is just that.

I think that World of darkness and the several diffrent Vampire houses makes for a hell of a PVP struggle between the clans and houses which is great i however think that PVE should not be a major part of the game just like in Eve because you cannot keep that Roleplay feeling as the Gothic vampire world must have to succed by adding big bad monsters that you need to slay to gain item X of worldslaying.

There can be many new ways to make this game into something fresh like letting people play human characters aswell so that they can form bounty hunting partys on people that breaks the masquerade.

While also just like in Starwars galaxies make a game not only for us men but for girls where you could have dancing or music as a profession or even Makeup and hairdesign like the imagemakers had in SWG.

I do think that this game has huge potential and i think CCP is the company for the job.

CPmmo · October 2007

You reinforced what I was saying. I seriously doubt that World of Darkness will be open PVP. It will be a faction based PVP game. Hence if I make a Nosferatu I won't get ganked by other Nosferatu. Yes I might get killed by other Vampires, but not people of the same clan. So it will be a bit more restricted I think then EVE's guild based PVP.

Also I seriously doubt that World of Darkness has a larger fanbase then Warhammer has.

I hope they do make a great game though. I hope they incorporate a lot of politics and faction based PVP between the different clans and also between the different races. (i.e. Vampires vs Vampires, but also Vampires vs Lycans vs Mages vs Regular humans) It will be a difficult game to stay pure to the lore AND make it a PVP game though. My friend played live action Masquerade(sp?) but it was hard to implement as a PVP style game. Some races are just inherently way tougher then others. For instance Lycans are able to kill multiple Vampires in a one vs one battle. Now of course they could overcome that by implementing a "Underworld" style of fighitng with the Vampires using modern weaponary to offset that inherent advantage that Lycans have. But Mages are pretty badass and have some extremely powerful spells that would make them pretty unbalanced as well.

So it will be interesting to see how they implement and balance the game. But it is definitely a game on my radar.

CPmmo · October 2007

Originally posted by jan84

A perfect MMORPG ouch that does not sound well in my ears since people have tryed to talk me into that WoW is just that.
I think that World of darkness and the several diffrent Vampire houses makes for a hell of a PVP struggle between the clans and houses which is great i however think that PVE should not be a major part of the game just like in Eve because you cannot keep that Roleplay feeling as the Gothic vampire world must have to succed by adding big bad monsters that you need to slay to gain item X of worldslaying.
There can be many new ways to make this game into something fresh like letting people play human characters aswell so that they can form bounty hunting partys on people that breaks the masquerade.
While also just like in Starwars galaxies make a game not only for us men but for girls where you could have dancing or music as a profession or even Makeup and hairdesign like the imagemakers had in SWG.
I do think that this game has huge potential and i think CCP is the company for the job.

World of Darkness =/= Vampires only. World of Darkness is the combined rule set for the Vampires, Lycans, and Mages. IT is more then just a battle between Vampire houses and in reality would probably have no PVP or limited PVP between Vampire houses and instead would focuse on the Battle between races. (i.e. Lycans vs Vamps vs Mages) As the game would become too large trying to not only balance between races but between houses. Maybe that would be a diplomacy side game that involved politics but I doubt there would be all out PVP between the houses.

As the prior poster said and full out open PVP game would not fit into the Lore of the world. AS they are all trying to stay hidden because they would be wiped out if Humans as a mass population new they actually existed.

jan84 · October 2007

I agree to alot of youre points but somehow i think they are going to skip alot of things from world of darknes and concentrate more on the Vampire houses situation i may be very wrong but that is just a Gut feeling i have..

The struggle for all the vampire houses to try to raise theyre way to power will be very bloody and depending on what age they make it in there could be alot of more large scale battles then you think, everyone takes it for granted that it will be done in modern time..

CPmmo · October 2007

Originally posted by jan84

I agree to alot of youre points but somehow i think they are going to skip alot of things from world of darknes and concentrate more on the Vampire houses situation i may be very wrong but that is just a Gut feeling i have..
The struggle for all the vampire houses to try to raise theyre way to power will be very bloody and depending on what age they make it in there could be alot of more large scale battles then you think, everyone takes it for granted that it will be done in modern time..

Well the fact that they use the term World of Darkness means they won't be sticking to just the Vamps. otherwise they would call it the Masquerade and it would have better recognition.

I think you are wrong about their direction on the game. I think it will very much be based in Modern times and will focus on the overall struggle between the races and not the individual Vampire struggle. As I said I could see the Vamp struggle as a side portion related to a diplomacy/guild relations type of thing, but I don't see it as the main focus.

I also don't see the game having a whole lot of PVE aspects and instead I see the game as the ultimate in skill based gameplay. Maybe even a 3rd or 1st person shooter type of engine.

Uraziel · October 2007

Do what I do, trust your gutt, but don't talk to peopl about it

jan84 · October 2007

To answer youre post why i believe that a Vampire MMORPG would be more popular then warhammer is because not only the huge fanbase of world of darkness board and card games not to mention the Kindred the embraced movies or the games allready done from WoD.

Warhammer messed up alot theyre graphic looks like WoW 2 with minor tweaks if they had gone with a more serious graphic engine that did not look 4 years old i might have been intrested i have however both painted and played warhammer board games which is great

jan84 · October 2007

Originally posted by CPmmo

Originally posted by jan84

I agree to alot of youre points but somehow i think they are going to skip alot of things from world of darknes and concentrate more on the Vampire houses situation i may be very wrong but that is just a Gut feeling i have..
The struggle for all the vampire houses to try to raise theyre way to power will be very bloody and depending on what age they make it in there could be alot of more large scale battles then you think, everyone takes it for granted that it will be done in modern time..

Well the fact that they use the term World of Darkness means they won't be sticking to just the Vamps. otherwise they would call it the Masquerade and it would have better recognition.

I think you are wrong about their direction on the game. I think it will very much be based in Modern times and will focus on the overall struggle between the races and not the individual Vampire struggle. As I said I could see the Vamp struggle as a side portion related to a diplomacy/guild relations type of thing, but I don't see it as the main focus.

I also don't see the game having a whole lot of PVE aspects and instead I see the game as the ultimate in skill based gameplay. Maybe even a 3rd or 1st person shooter type of engine.

When i think of WoD and the PVP aspect CCP put on Eve i can definatley see the next big thing when i get bored of AOC in about 2 or 3 years when this one comes out for release. I have a hardtime seeing unbalanced mages and werewolves fighting 6 vamps as an alpha class if you really wanna stay true to the WoD lore as you say.

Making a MMORPG out of Vampire teh masquerade world would indeed be a big slam.

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