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Im not a WoW hater, I did quit and this is what I miss.
BobRoss
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When WoW for come out my friend had it and was seriously playing it for 1 year. During that time I had other things to tend to so I couldnt get into a game. When the time came I bought a better PC and hooked up to WoW and played it with my bud.
In the beginning I was so new to this type of game and really didnt have a clue about aggro and all that jazz. My first character was a Hunter and I didnt have a clue how to play him. Ditched him at 21 and hooked up with a tank that went to LvL 48. I dumped him for a mage that went to 60 and finally a Healer which was my most favorite to play so long as I didn't play with bitchy people LOL.
My total time logged will defintely be over 2000 hours. There were times I was putting more hours in on the game than at work. 50 hours a week was very doable for me.
I got hooked up with a very nice guild that did MC, BWL, AQ-40 and Naxx. During the off time we ran Zul Gurub for factioning along with AQ-20 and If we had enough people at the time , The 4 outdoor dragons.
I miss doing all of these things. BC has pretty much ruined my fun. Guilds started restructuring for 10 and 25 man instances. It was a race to LvL 70 and who got there first could hit the instances. I miss hitting 60 and getting an epic riding mount , finding a group that does scholomance and just having good ole fun.
After BC I got a very different attitude. I looked around and pretty much said to myself "why the hell am I doing all of this?" The whole game changed. All of the instances our guild worked so hard at become obsolete. The one question i asked is why would blizz tear down good instances that everyone went to and had fun with for a whole new section of game.
I thought for sure they would expand the game, not kill half of it with 1 add-on. I would really like my scholo back along with the other instances including the 4 major instances.
Now you have to level up in areas where there are very little people and do things that are so annoying it just totally is not worth going back to. The game was perfect before BC. It just had something no other game had and it all went down the tubes when BC hit the shelves.
Not really trying to Rant or any of that. Just wanted to throw this out there to see if anyone else thought along these lines and could make comments of thier own.
Bob Ross
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Nice constructive post.
I kinda felt that way my self , which is why i quit playing WoW ages ago, so i feel ya.
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I think the part about your guild restructuring for raids isn't that good (sorry sleepy, can't think of the word). I mean, the whole obsolete raids is true, but the guild I was in, had 3 different teams that raided. Then they would mix and match a few people so they would not get cliques, everyone knew everyone still. I think your guild just wasn't good about that part? Just throwing stuff out there.
It isn't the loss of the old content.. which I find amusing, they should really have revamped all those instances for lvl 70.. say heroic versions for badges and such...
It wasn't the changes the games forced on guilds...
It's the fact despite it all, all they added were were more grinds, more annoyances, and frankly the day WAR hits the shelves, I am gone.
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I couldn't agree more. Nuff said.
I totally agree. Levelling 1 to 60 was the greatest game expierience i had. TBC ruined the game for me..
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Actually, what your guild did was the exception, not the norm. I know of at least 5 raiding guilds that attempted what yours did, but they all fell apart (or greatly shrank in size) due to jealousy caused because one group appeared to be succeeding more than the others. Also, finding 3 or 4 good raid leaders in any one guild is a bit of an anomaly, most guilds are lucky if they have 2. TBC and its smaller raids was the direct cause of this.
Also, as someone else said... making the old raid content obsolete was a poor idea by Blizzard.... would have been smarter to up the gear dropped inside so that it was still worth getting but reduced the difficulty so that more of the player base would have been encouraged to experience it. With a bit of balancing they could have made it so a former 40 man raid instance could be conquered by 25 or even 10 people....
I spent a reasonable amount of time raiding (no, wait, it was too damn much time actually) and I got through AQ 40, but never saw Naxx. I was a bit pissed off when I saw what TBC was going to do (my guild pretty much stopped all raiding about 2 months before TBC's release) and I wasn't happy about it.
Finally, TBC added yet more faction grinding and key assembly, the things in WOW I totally despised and I knew I would never buy it.
Its been almost a year now since I last logged into WOW, and though my son still enjoys it I haven't felt any need go back.
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Kyleran,
I feel ya, as we get closer to WoTLK I feel less and less inclined to play my main and grind out raids for gear that is a pain to sit through and get, and will be worthless by Feb.
Heck, I'm about 1 step from just stopping the raiding all together, leveling one of my alts to play with my wife and preparing to leave WoW forever. I'm tempted to sell my account before the Xpac too.
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Guys, the gear gap between TBC and WotLK wont be as big a leap as the gap between WoW and TBC, the gap seemed so big because gear was changed a little for TBC, it was given more HP due to PvP Arenas and the new sockets and resiliance features added to new gear.... all these will feature in Wotlk gear so dont worry about it, if you roll WotLK in T4+ I realy dont see you replacing any till the mid 70's... just as you didn't need to replace your T2/3 till mid 60's.
The guild raid size change was the worst of the changes. I guess it might be healthy for the long term of the game, but I knew it would cause drama in high end raid guilds and it did. Most did ok though.
The bad change is there really isn't a starter raid zone. Most guilds need or feel the need to bum rush 10 mans which causes even more drama. If there had been a 25 man raid zone on par with karazhan the game wouldn't be as hard on guilds as it is now.
Faction grinds are optional, I do just fine without doing them.
This is the first game I loved leveling in since EQ. I also like the raids and dungeons, but I do them in moderation so I don't get burned out which is easy to do if you have lots of time.
All said and done though I'm ready for something new and not just another EQ/WoW clone.
Here's the thing, lvl 70 gear loses effectiveness against lvl 75 mobs, lvl DOES matter, the stats may not be "all that better" but a lvl 75 green sword with 2% better stats then a lvl 70 epic purple sword is still the better option.
Period.
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Not to be overly harsh but reading your post (and only having that to judge you on), you do remind me of a few players I ran into in WoW. I think it would be best for all involved if you staid with WoW.
Ah, your 1 of those guys who go around saying they replaced their t2/3 with lvl 60 greens
, Well if you found better gear then T2 at lvl 60-62 then good for you cus I never did. I replaced my weapons rings and trinkets in the low 60's but my gear not till I started to get my dungeon set at lvl 65+
Here's the thing, lvl 70 gear loses effectiveness against lvl 75 mobs, lvl DOES matter, the stats may not be "all that better" but a lvl 75 green sword with 2% better stats then a lvl 70 epic purple sword is still the better option.
Yes but that lvl 70 epic sword is still 1 of the best weapons till you hit lvl 75.. so was it realy wasted? When you were lvl 20 and a rare blue axe dropped (god bless them furblogs) did you just sell it cus you knew in 5 lvls you would find a better green sword? that mentaility is really wrong.. the glass is always half-empty.
Period.
Ah, your 1 of those guys who go around saying they replaced their t2/3 with lvl 60 greens
, Well if you found better gear then T2 at lvl 60-62 then good for you cus I never did. I replaced my weapons rings and trinkets in the low 60's but my gear not till I started to get my dungeon set at lvl 65+
Here's the thing, lvl 70 gear loses effectiveness against lvl 75 mobs, lvl DOES matter, the stats may not be "all that better" but a lvl 75 green sword with 2% better stats then a lvl 70 epic purple sword is still the better option.
Yes but that lvl 70 epic sword is still 1 of the best weapons till you hit lvl 75.. so was it realy wasted? When you were lvl 20 and a rare blue axe dropped (god bless them furblogs) did you just sell it cus you knew in 5 lvls you would find a better green sword? that mentaility is really wrong.. the glass is always half-empty.
Period.
You have it all wrong. If better gear dropped like that blue axe at level 20 then no one would care if it was getting replaced in expansions. But instead this gear is the result of months of work to earn it. Just like the first expansion replacing people's raid gear that they had worked on for hours upon hours.I think if anything at all is going to hurt WoW's subscriptions it will be this mentality. I think once any viable alternative comes up you are going to see more and more players who are burnt out by this raid grind jump ship.
It wouldn't be so bad if they gear gap wasn't so large to begin with or if the gear came while doing something fun. But Blizzard made the gear the focus and once more people realize that the only reason they raid is to get more gear to replace the gear they raided for to replace the gear they raided before that for, more people are going to get fed up.
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Not to be overly harsh but reading your post (and only having that to judge you on), you do remind me of a few players I ran into in WoW. I think it would be best for all involved if you staid with WoW.
A very stupid reply I must say, especially when you talk about someones english and yet you cant even spell things right yourself.
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Um please tell me english is not your first (or primary) language.Not to be overly harsh but reading your post (and only having that to judge you on), you do remind me of a few players I ran into in WoW. I think it would be best for all involved if you staid with WoW.
A very stupid reply I must say, especially when you talk about someones english and yet you cant even spell things right yourself.
lol, i agree with you Enforcer71 xD .
This post is very well worded, you summarized many of my feelings personally in your post.
At first TBC was a beautiful Xpac simply because of new content, but in reality, it ruined the classic part of the game, much of which could have been avoided and in all reality should have been. To make everything that made us fall in love with the game obsolete was a killer for many many people.
The next Xpac raising the level cap to 80 is the final straw for me along with "10 man" raids and 25 mans. Death of the 40 man and death of classic WoW was stupid on the part of Blizzard.
WoW has lost it's shine.
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Blizzard broke the mold with WoW - and although I quit, I'll never say I didn't have a lot of fun in the 2+ years I was addicted.
I'm happy to see a few people with the same feelings toward Pre-BC content as I. I have seen alot of post from forum users disliking WoW as it is currently. It's always good to reflect back on what you like about a game and some of which you miss. WoW was a great game and I have had a ton of fun with it, unfortunatly the game has taken a turn that caused me to cancel my subscription and not look back.
I would like to address a couple of posts in this thread.
First off, guild restructuring. When I typed that out I really did not feel the need to elaborate on that particular subject because it would have been different for alot people so I added that just to point out that it was one of the problems why my fun ended. I have seen alot of top notch guilds leave the server(which happened to my guild) and/or disband due to the fact that raids went from 20-40 man to 10-25. Also, they added 1 race/class that had to find it's place within the 10-25 man raid. On my server I used to play with a person , who I did not know personally , only in game , that was in the top guild on the server. He wanted to to try the new race/class only to find himself quiting the guild because of current members/ guild leader felt they didnt need that race/class. He eventually got into a guild of the same caliber and was very happy. There are alot more occurances that I have seen but I wanna try to keep the post from being lengthy LOL.
Secondly, to the person who asked if English is my primary language. To answer your question, Yes it is. I'm very sorry I didn't add enough |337 OMGWTFPWN ROTFLMAOCOPTER language for you to understand exactly what I am saying. All I can say to you is , Have a very nice day and thank you for trying to read my post.
Ty for posting your replies,
Bob Ross
I just cancelled my WoW subscription. The PvE is so boring after you've done it once. I can't stand this grind mentality just for the sake of grinding. The only thing I will miss is the ability to get into PvP quickly, and not wait lfg for hours or days. IMO, they hit the nail on the head with casual PvP.
I can't speak for everyone, but I know that most of my guild was laughing ( or crying) at the fact that we replaced our T2 and T3 within 1-3 levels of TBC. I replaced both my Shaman's and my Hunter's gear (all T2 with 1 or 2 pieces of T3 on each) with blues by the time I was 62. I think I had 1 piece, maybe a helm that lasted beyond that. It was a pretty horrible joke that level 61 blues and even some greens had comparable stats to gear that took months to get.
My guild also ended up falling into the restructuring sickness. We had a solid group of 30 that raided constantly and we tried the "group A" and "group B", but it didn't work. I quit shortly after my guild disbanded.
I've never been much of a PvE raider but as a PvP fan I found the discrepancy between those that bought the expansion and those that didn't to be very large. Most of the battleground gear was reduced to crap. And, Pre-BC, there was world PvP that was for more than just those with max levels fighting each other and mowing down everyone else. In the old days level 40s and 50s could contribute to pvp raids and help defend, even 30s in large numbers could sap/sheep/fear/annoy. Not so now; anyone who isn't 70 will get creamed in world pvp now.
I'm eagerly awaiting WAR or AoC myself (and not playing much until then).
My experience 60-70 was completely different. Yes, sometimes a level 70 would come along and being so much more powerful would have a much easier time killing you, but usually these guys weren't that well equipped (because they like to gank instead of spend time earning better loot in raids, battlegrounds, etc).
The level 70s were usually the ones that had not long been 70.
But most of my fights were within my level range because the zones I was levelling up in were full of opponents levelling up in the same level range. It's equal for both sides you see.
TBC actually improved things PvP wise because you can actually get awesome gear by just PvPing, in the arenas or the battlegrounds. Pre-TBC the PvE gods would have a huge advantage.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
I'm not quite sure, but I believe many of those PVP changes went into effect ahead of TBC.....
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That's true, but the biggest impact imo was felt by TBC's Arenas, which is a much purer form of PvP, and the rewards are beyond awesome.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
Staid?
Please tell me English is not your first (or primary) language.
Not to be overly harsh, but you should learn to spell simple words.
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