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Sould we make more topics about how many people play?
AckbarNL
Member Posts: 458
Well the question is simple sould there be more Topic's about this subject?
How many people are playing or how many subs there are?
Playing: World of Warcraft.
Played: Lord of the Rings Online, Starwars Galaxies.
Tried: Starwars the Old Republic, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, Vanguard, Age of Conan, Aion.
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YES
No, we SHOULD not, it's pointless. Now, someone come and tag n' bag this thread, please.
No , its boring and irrelevant if the information cannot be verified
Yes, because I hate people trying to mod forums when they have no business doing so.
heh
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
Hey 28 Weeks Later just came out on DVD...pretty darn sweet...what an awesome movie...
Huh?
People? Play?
Meh...
Anyone also see Zombies On A Plane? talk about cheesy....but, great fun....(I love Zombie Movies....)
No!
The topic is not nearly as fun as figuring out the square footage of the game world! Those topics were infinitly better.
I want to see more post about how big the gameworld is vs. Wow, Vanguard or any other game, again. How many square meters is LotR now?
You just did, didn't you.
But what else is there really to talk about with a game that people has to get verification that they have fun by throwing numbers of subscribers around.
Hey there is alot of people playing so then I know I have fun...
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
Should we tell people what to make topics about? Should we try to stifle dissent? Should we never let MMO gamers discuss the subscription numbers of subscription based games?The question is sould there be more topics about this subject? perheaps you did not read it, its an opinion, i never said that people sould never discus this or not make more topic's, you just made that up. I simple wanted to know what people think.
Playing: World of Warcraft.
Played: Lord of the Rings Online, Starwars Galaxies.
Tried: Starwars the Old Republic, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, Vanguard, Age of Conan, Aion.
The question is sould there be more topics about this subject? perheaps you did not read it, its an opinion, i never said that people sould never discus this or not make more topic's, you just made that up. I simple wanted to know what people think.
I'll concede I came across rather harsh, allow me to clarify. ....Yes.
The question is sould there be more topics about this subject? perheaps you did not read it, its an opinion, i never said that people sould never discus this or not make more topic's, you just made that up. I simple wanted to know what people think.
The answer is yes...but your post is a troll...pure and simple...did you really need to make a post asking people if more posts should be made?Or is it a tactic to raise LOTRO views on MMORPG...ya never know..
But, at least you got our attention..
Cheers!
The question is sould there be more topics about this subject? perheaps you did not read it, its an opinion, i never said that people sould never discus this or not make more topic's, you just made that up. I simple wanted to know what people think.
The answer is yes...but your post is a troll...pure and simple...did you really need to make a post asking people if more posts should be made?Or is it a tactic to raise LOTRO views on MMORPG...ya never know..
But, at least you got our attention..
Cheers!
That's a first.A troll calling another person a troll!
Cheers!
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JonMichael
Currently: AION, an MMO Beta under NDA
Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO
Beta'd: There, Second Life, EQ2, DAOC:LotM, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, Gods and Heroes, Hellgate: London, Requiem:Bloodymare, AoC, WAR, DDO, Fallen Earth
Wikipedia: Def:
Many people call others trolls, few call themselves trolls, so a troll is not a self-constructed identity but rather is a category constructed via the speech act of calling someone a troll. Perhaps the more interesting question is the motivation for labeling others as trolls. Individuals so labeled find it offensive. Useful advice for dealing with someone considered to be a troll is, rather than using that term, is to ask them questions such as: "What is your intent?" or other questions relevant to the discussion rather than using the ad hominem label "troll."
So, my intent was to point out that the only reason the OP even posted this subject was to cause an issue, and I as a conscientious forum poster noted to the OP that his subject would only pull in those who would see it as ridiculing, as so many topics already exist on the subject of LOTRO and numbers of players...
What may I ask was your intent? Besides name calling?
Thank you
Besides, who is a troll and who is not is decided by the _place_ where they are trolling. Since this is the LOTRO forums section, someone who voices their tiredness about the pointless back and forth arguing (yes, TROLLing) about the otherwise totally irrelevant subscription numbers of LOTRO (see also as: forum section), can hardly be a troll.
You should check the whole wikipedia post about "internet troll", and comprehend the full article.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Besides, who is a troll and who is not is decided by the _place_ where they are trolling. Since this is the LOTRO forums section, someone who voices their tiredness about the pointless back and forth arguing (yes, TROLLing) about the otherwise totally irrelevant subscription numbers of LOTRO (see also as: forum section), can hardly be a troll.
You should check the whole wikipedia post about "internet troll", and comprehend the full article.
DB
The difference is, my post is a willingness to discuss the OP's post, on why he felt the need to create a thread on a subject being discussed in umpteen other posts..
Yours is to find each of my posts, and make counter comments...
Which is more productive to the overall discussion?
Cheers!
Besides, who is a troll and who is not is decided by the _place_ where they are trolling. Since this is the LOTRO forums section, someone who voices their tiredness about the pointless back and forth arguing (yes, TROLLing) about the otherwise totally irrelevant subscription numbers of LOTRO (see also as: forum section), can hardly be a troll.
You should check the whole wikipedia post about "internet troll", and comprehend the full article.
DB
The difference is, my post is a willingness to discuss the OP's post, on why he felt the need to create a thread on a subject being discussed in umpteen other posts..
Yours is to find each of my posts, and make counter comments...
Which is more productive to the overall discussion?
Cheers!
The original post is an irony in itself, that you also missed (like in another thread
Anyways, the OP is trying to underline the total irrelevancy that is shining from every "lotro subscriber number" threads. What I am adding is (besides agreeing 100%), are some ideas on the original motives behind all those topics. Not sure you got it?
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Yet, we need to understand that if Turbine would not have created such a ruckus by using such a superfluous number to show how many subscribers even existed on their servers...these conversations would not exist..
The fact a company is willing to use such an arbitrary number to show they are such a large power within the MMO genre, shows their willingness to deceive a large number of customers.
This is cause for conversation.
The fact so many threads already existed on this subject, shows that this one more subject was really a way to get people into heated discussions...sort of like all of ours.
Cheers!
Yet, we need to understand that if Turbine would not have created such a ruckus by using such a superfluous number to show how many subscribers even existed on their servers...these conversations would not exist..
The fact a company is willing to use such an arbitrary number to show they are such a large power within the MMO genre, shows their willingness to deceive a large number of customers.
This is cause for conversation.
The fact so many threads already existed on this subject, shows that this one more subject was really a way to get people into heated discussions...sort of like all of ours.
Cheers!
Subscribers number as deceiving? Again, who the hell cares?
I would prrobably feel deceived if:
1 - The developers would stop developing/expanding LOTRo
2 - They would start overcharging me
3 - The service level would get worse (lag, hitching,, downtimes appeared.)
See, now this is what matters to someone who pays and plays. If these above are not happening and the game is FUN for this gamer, (don't want to start yet another explanation to you about what _personal_ opinion and _subjectivity_ mean - I can love a game that you hate and vice versa and NONE of us would be "right"...), then the subscriber numbers mean totally nothing, they are irrelevant, and discussing about them (how pervertly some people love to do it, for reasons only they know), is a waste of time and energy - POINTLESS
for the happy gamer.
But these posts DO irritate these gamers, since they seem to be (intended or by accident) trolling attempts from the usual "regular critizers" of the game, to put it in epiphanic wording.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
It seems quite a few people do...not just myself...I am only YOUR target is all.
By your statement, your understanding is that NO ONE should care about these numbers, and that WE should follow YOUR opinions...and care about your specific listed criteria...
This is plain wrong..
Your opinion counts, and these are the items you care about, while others care about numbers and the company running the game...and that is not to say that YOUR listed criteria is not on someone else's list (that lagging, hitching issue is my top item, followed by UI, and poor tech support)
But, here is a novel idea...people having free will...thats pretty cool eh?
Thanks
It seems quite a few people do...not just myself...I am only YOUR target is all.
By your statement, your understanding is that NO ONE should care about these numbers, and that WE should follow YOUR opinions...and care about your specific listed criteria...
This is plain wrong..
Your opinion counts, and these are the items you care about, while others care about numbers and the company running the game...and that is not to say that YOUR listed criteria is not on someone else's list (that lagging, hitching issue is my top item, followed by UI, and poor tech support)
But, here is a novel idea...people having free will...thats pretty cool eh?
Thanks
Sorry to ruin your ego, but I never said you're the only one arguing against subscriber numbers. Still it is a totally pointless issue (and now, again pls try to understand what you are reading): AS LONG AS the game is:
1 - stable
2 - developed as intended
3 - server pops are healthy
4 - no merges/etc are happening.
I am not saying you cannot or should not argue about subscriber numbers, I am saying that it is a 100% irrelevant thing AS LONG AS these points are valid. Go ahead and spend years discussing them, but be prepared for:
1 - criticism
2 - people (who also don't care about them) becoming sick and tired of it
3 - other opinions than yours,
Are they first set of my points valid? Of course they are. So? Who the hell cares about subscriber numbers? Correct - people with an agenda....
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
As to the numbers, you state it is irrelevant...then why does the Boston Globe need to discuss it, why do so many blogs, game review sites, and well...here...need to discuss it if it is irrelevant..but, your constant point makes it look like I am the only one who thinks it is relevant...and you could not be further from the truth...
Google : 1 - 10 of about 28,700 for subscribers lotro
1 - 10 of about 236,000 for subscriptions lotro
Looks quite relevant to me...
Thanks
Yet you make it sound like I am there, forcing your eyes to read all my posts..I am not...and there is a block button there as well...use it, then you do not need to read my posts, and worry about how to counter it...simple.!As to the numbers, you state it is irrelevant...then why does the Boston Globe need to discuss it, why do so many blogs, game review sites, and well...here...need to discuss it if it is irrelevant..but, your constant point makes it look like I am the only one who thinks it is relevant...and you could not be further from the truth...
Google : 1 - 10 of about 28,700 for subscribers lotro
1 - 10 of about 236,000 for subscriptions lotro
Looks quite relevant to me...
Thanks
Google: 1 - 10 of about 542,000 for "Subscriptions EQ2"
1 - 10 of about 52,500 for "Subscribers EQ2"
They also look relevent to me but you dont see me as an ex EQ2 player and with no further interest in the game at all on the EQ2 boards getting satisfaction of finding some mythical Subscription number that we dont really know and even if we did would serve no end or agenda.
LOTRO subscriptions are more than likely higher than "most" of the competing games in its class at the moment (EQ2 and Vanguard) included, so as a LOTRO player im not going to get overly worked up over these discussions anyway. In my opinion and the opinions of my forty strong and growing kinship the game is fantastic, i like its polished finish and deep story and great performance over many other choices available to me as a gamer.
However some do not. Difference is you dont see LOTRO players in the EQ2 or Vanguard boards on this forum beating down on a singular point until it becomes a tad monotonous. So for anybody reading this whom is thinking of trying out LOTRO what does that tell you about the LOTRO community over others.....
Openedge, you need to move over at the keyboard buddy because matraque wants to have a bash at typing something....
Regards
Magpie
As to the numbers, you state it is irrelevant...then why does the Boston Globe need to discuss it, why do so many blogs, game review sites, and well...here...need to discuss it if it is irrelevant..but, your constant point makes it look like I am the only one who thinks it is relevant...and you could not be further from the truth...
Google : 1 - 10 of about 28,700 for subscribers lotro
1 - 10 of about 236,000 for subscriptions lotro
Looks quite relevant to me...
Thanks
Google: 1 - 10 of about 542,000 for "Subscriptions EQ2"
1 - 10 of about 52,500 for "Subscribers EQ2"
So, for a title that has been out for 3 years, it has doubled the amount of searches than LOTRO has in only 6 months?...if I was to do some math here...well, lets not confuse you guys anymore...
They also look relevent to me but you dont see me as an ex EQ2 player and with no further interest in the game at all on the EQ2 boards getting satisfaction of finding some mythical Subscription number that we dont really know and even if we did would serve no end or agenda.
But, it IS relevant to myself, as I am not a player now, but have an interest in returning..but, if I had issues at the time I was a subscriber in finding groups, with support, etc...how will it be if the base is diminishing...even though I doubt that is the case...I am sure it is truly full including all the trialbies...
LOTRO subscriptions are more than likely higher than "most" of the competing games in its class at the moment (EQ2 and Vanguard) included, so as a LOTRO player im not going to get overly worked up over these discussions. The game is fantastic, i like its polished finish and deep story and great performance over many other choices available to me as a gamer.
Then why post now? Why make a comment if your not worked up...unless something does not sit quite right with you...and your basing your "beliefs" of population on how YOU feel...as there are no REAL numbers...unless 4 million is the number your looking at...and that would be foolish...and I do not doubt they are higher than EQ2 or Vanguard...but, that is really not the point of the posts, where all the LOTRO fans get lost in that fact!
However some do not. Difference is you dont see LOTRO players in the EQ2 or Vanguard boards on this forum beating down on a singular point until it becomes a tad monotonous. So for anybody reading this whom is thinking of trying out LOTRO what does that tell you about the LOTRO community over others.....
That the LOTRO community is willing to argue for a game that is "OK", and for a company that may not be forthcoming about their plans...(can we say the sudden disappearance of someone named Jeff?). While the EQ2 forums is full of posters asking questions about "joining up" or "returning"...? Also, that for some reason the LOTRO community seems to be bothered by the posts as if they have a reason?
Openedge, you need to move over at the keyboard buddy because matraque wants to have a bash at typing something....
Gladly...Matraque? Your turn...
Regards
Magpie
Cheers!
Heh... you can make Google come up with just about anything:
Results 1 - 10 of about 340,000 for subscribers trolls
Results 1 - 10 of about 1,920,000 for subscriptions trolls
Heh... At least now we know why so many trolls have been showing up. Looks like their subscription numbers have gone through the roof!
Edit: Some more fun here from Google searches:
Results 1 - 10 of about 418 for openedge1 troll
Results 1 - 3 of 3 for Dragonce troll
Results 1 - 7 of 7 for magpie1412 troll
Results 1 - 10 of about 1,340 for DonnieBrasco troll
LOL! Well it looks like according to Google search that you're the winner DonnieBrasco... followed up by openedge1. magpie and I will have to do some more work to get our numbers up!