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Vanguard never had "horrible" reviews
Player_420
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Unless you want to talk about noobie reviewers from web sites with no real credentials, Vanguard always got fair reviews...and if you dont believe me and still want to flame Vanguard for being this horrible game with bad reviews....give me some links to web sites where LEGIT reviewers gave the game a really bad rating. Even WoW players who review games GAVE Vanguard around the 7.5-7.8 range. So if your scared from this "bad press release" that everyones talking about, dont believe it. God I remember when WoW first came out, lord the bugs I would find in starting zones and stuff....wait a second...since I have played or beta tested almost all MMOs I must say that every single MMO release has been buggy in some way, wether it was really bad (like Vanguard is REALLY bad with bugs) or wether it was simple bugs that people ignored. If you want a feeling of a very open ended world that is just massive, with secrets, deep gameplay, different and new systems, boats, really great housing systems..then just try vanguard. I think in a year or 2 it will be like the uber version of how awesome UO used to be (pre UO:R)
Im not trying to make anyone mad, it just makes me sad hearing people say things that are not true about this game. However, I am reconzing the fact it still has a long ways to go, but it shipped with so much awesome content that I have been waiting for a long time.
I play all ghame
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Edit: And even Auto Assault got better reviews. But I must admit that Vanguard beat RF Online and Archlord.
It sure didn't get good reviews
The difference between Vanguard and other MMO's such as WoW or LoTRO was that Vangaurds were game breaking bugs. Its only thing to have a text or minor glitch bug that can be fixed very quickly vs a engine bug that is causing the game to run like crap. It is pretty much a consensus that WoW and LoTRO launched pretty smoothly and to put Vanguard in that same category really strains credibility.
Vanguard is a very decent game. Unfortunately, it fell victim to extremely heightened expectations...part of which was the fault of Sigil and part of which was the fault of old EQ players who felt all their glory days would be reborn in a modern game.
I like the game, though I haven't played it in a while. It's on my list of games to resub, one of these days.
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OK, if we must go through this exercise how about this site for you... called 1UP.com and is affiliated with the Games for Windows print magazine..... they have it down at 4.1 average (5.3 by users, 3.0 by editors)
www.1up.com/do/reviewPage
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Why is Vanguard being compared to WoW and LotRO. I can see comparing it to WoW -the industry standard, but vanguard had much more depth and interesting things to it than LotRO. LotRO gameplay was horribly bland and I'm sure it would only get ranked above VGsoh due to its relative lack of bugs.
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I actually enjoyed playing Vanguard more then LOTRO. It had a lot more variety class wise, character creation wise, and overall just had a lot more features. I think I just wasn't very interested in playing another game like that again. LOTRO seems very limited by comparison.
Two of you sure got me, but the main thing I was trying to get across is that in the reviews the only thing I really hear complaining about is mainly bugs. And my other point is that any of the most popular games, including LOTRO and WoW had plenty of bugs at launch, crashes....and for the start of Warcraft, well you could barley play for that first week.
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I don't know the bugs/ctds and all have been quite nice towards me, meaning that it doesn't bother me more then they did in any other game. Worse on Vista but XP was fine, have not crashed on Vista yet after last patch.
Groupwise, well the summer period was pretty thin grouping. But it is better now.
But if you don't glorified Brad, for whatever reason that would be, or if you don't think the words WoW-killer, then the game is actually good.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
I've played most of the big MMOs out there. Not much of the strange Korean ones, but EQ/EQ2, AC/AC2, UO, DAoC, SB, AO, EVE, WoW, and CoH. I'm sure I'm forgetting some.
I agree that all of them had issues on release. I think Shadowbane went the smoothest of the ones I can recall, but nothing comes out right on opening day. AO was SO bad that they hired outside help to fix it. After they did, it won all sort of accolades the following year.
The thing with Vanguard is that it's a GOOD game with poor execution. There isn't anything in the concept, art, back story, or game mechanics that would flag this as a 'how did this ever get released?' kind of project. Overall I think it's a great game, and would easily be the equal of the big games like WoW and EQ2... except that they haven't finished it yet.
This is what kills me: if they(SOE) put the time, effort, and money into it that they should, it could be a really great, fun game. Given the state of things right now, and how many bugs remain that still impede game play, I'm starting to feel as though that will never happen. Shortly after Vanguard was released EQ2 began getting these amazing new features and ideas patched in, all from Vanguard. My fear is that SOE has no real intention of fixing it, or keeping it running, and is just going to part it out to improve EQ2, then toss it in the trash.
To do so would be a great waste of the effort, creativity, and devotion of the teams that got it this far.
I pretty much agree what has been said here. The game has some of the best classes of any game, alot of them are fun and well fleshed out.
The killer, for this game, has always been the performance problems. My computer is good enough to run it, but I'm pretty much just getting tired of these type games. I also thought it was leaps and bounds ahead of LoTR, but of course that is just my opinion.
Nothing special, just run of the mill same old same old.
It was touted as being next gen, and it's not.
If you want to play a "generic mmo" there are tons on the market right now. Vanguard was a waste of time and money, I feel sorry for their investers, that's alot of money to flush down the toliet.
Vanguard RIP.
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Nothing special, just run of the mill same old same old.
It was touted as being next gen, and it's not.
If you want to play a "generic mmo" there are tons on the market right now. Vanguard was a waste of time and money, I feel sorry for their investers, that's alot of money to flush down the toliet.
Vanguard RIP.
QFT.
Vanguard is decent but there isnt anything to it that you cant get in another game and not deal with the performance issues. Even if they fix the perfomance the gameplay isnt going to suddenly drag in a million subscribers. The most that it can hope to do is pick up a few people who get bored of EQ2.
If the game did not have horrible reviews at release, it certainly deserved them. Today, the game is improved but remains incomplete. It is not incomplete in the sense of potential and expansions and some things. It is incomplete with key features that were promised such as some classes.
If people enjoy Vanguard, I am extremely happy for them. I think it is a decent game with some features that are fun, engaging, and sufficient to sustain a population.
As for myself, I really enjoy the old-school EQ 1 and look forward to the EQ 2 expansion. The other games such as WoW or its clone (LotR) just are too boring, linear, forced, predictable, and unexciting.
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Nothing special, just run of the mill same old same old.
It was touted as being next gen, and it's not.
If you want to play a "generic mmo" there are tons on the market right now. Vanguard was a waste of time and money, I feel sorry for their investers, that's alot of money to flush down the toliet.
Vanguard RIP.
This is how I felt about it too. I didn't have many of the technical problems other people did (although there were plenty of minor bugs) I just thought it was a mediocre game. I thought the world was bland, the characters lifeless and the gameplay was nothing special. If you're enjoying it then great, have fun, but lets not be revisionists about the past, even if the reviews weren't scathing they offered nothing that would make someone want to wait out the bugs to see what happened. I didn't follow this game for as long as othesr did so I wasn't as disappointed as many people that continue to rip the game and for the same reason I don't see any reason to keep grasping for an excuse to support and play the game.
They said bersekers were scrapped and inquisitors put on hold during the development process and they publicly announced they wouldn't be in the live version, I read that as honesty, not a broken promise. They never promised inquisitors or berserkers at release, in fact the opposite, they said they would not be in the live version, how again did they break their promise?
So, what other features promised are not in the game?
personal flying mounts? It is almost done and in game.
raid content? It is being tested as we speak and they have already began the first phase of patches that will add it.
guild houses? done.
Player controlled cities and mounted combat are the only two things that I can point to that still need to be done. Given the above list however, I can't imagine that it isn't part of the plan.
The 'broken promises' argument is steadily becoming a moot point, you better post that theory while you can, because, evidence shows that they are making good on their promises.
We all know that VG was released unfinished and unpolished, but show me one shred of evidence that they are not steadily working on it. Imo, they did a bad thing by releasing the game early, they are making up for it however by making good on their promises. This is a far far cry from certain games that promised features would be live and now have no intention of adding those promised features. VG isn't that game.
I'm not quite sure Diplomacy is quite where it was promised to be.....
but fun, engaging gameplay might still be missing .......
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The main thing you tried to get across is that all the other people you were flaming before were right, and you lied... And you succeded with that perfectly!
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It should be thrown with great force"
I'm not quite sure Diplomacy is quite where it was promised to be.....
but fun, engaging gameplay might still be missing .......
Diplomacy is being integrated as promised. Evidence is APW raid content needs diplomats to open up dungeon areas. Even this promise is coming to fruition.The engaging gameplay is opinion. Many of us playing are engaged fully.
No I said two people gave legit links to review websites where vanguard got bad ratings. and i didnt lie at all, in my favorite websites (ign, gamespy, pc gamer, game informer and more) vanguard never got bad reviews....why would i lie about that?
My point is 100% valid.
Vanguard got bad ratings only because of bugs, and most of them were not "horrible"
Thus showing my original point.
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and yes of most of these websites the reviewers only play Warcraft...like literally.
Vanguard is too hard for them
they get frustrated
put out a review in a month, where as Wow:BC got about 4-5 months for review time
thus leading to horrible ratings
but on legit sites, vanguard got fair reviews, because its a good game, just way to many bugs.
once again thats the only point im getting across
I play all ghame
Did they ever fix the "look the grip of my weapon is in my armpit" thing? Besides the horrible performance and massive bug influx, I think that was one of the reasons I quit.
You forgot a few other differences between Vanguard and LOTRO...
LOTRO got great reviews across the board.... vanguard did not.
LOTRO was virtually bug-free and ran smooth at launch.... Vanguard was a mostly broken bug-fest.
LOTRO was a financial success... Vanguard did so bad the Developers went out of business.
What interesting things did Vanguard launch with that LOTRO did not? Other than diplomacy, which no one cares about anyway.... I did 't see much of a difference in the feature lists.... other than the fact that the features in LOTRO worked better then the ones in Vanguard.
Vanguard did get bad reviews, despite the revisionist history portrayed by this thread. Unless you have no understanding of how game scores work, and you think 5 or 6 out of 10 is a good score.
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I love hearing the excuse that the reviewers have only played World of Warcraft and so cannot review the game correctly. I'm sure thats the case for IGN, Gamespy, PC Gamer, etc., where it got terrible reviews. Makes sense