Has there been an official decision about whether or not PotBS will be under the "flag" of SOE's All Station Pass??? If not I think it might be more difficult to persuade patrons already using the All Station Pass to "set sail" with PotBS. Perhaps for the pre-orders allowing them to populate a certain server then during the official release allow the option for all the other pirates to join that server or not would be best. The way online MMOs have been released this year, competition has been getting fierce & will only get more so. Let alone sum of the horrid states the games have been released in should make everyone a bit more cautious when it comes to pre-order trickery.
there was an announcement on the POTBS site that it would be under the station pass
Magic is impressive, but now Minsc leads! Swords for everyone!
Any word if the pre-order version is available through online retailers or just in-store? I checked Amazon and Gamestop, both listed the "ships on" date as January 21, not the pre-order advance date.
I will probably purchase and play this game, but this preorder business has gotten out of hand.
Spending money on a game that is not out yet, with no guarentee it will be is just plain dumb, Ask the people from Gods and Heros how good their preorder was.
Giving a publisher free use of your money for months with nothing in return is beyond ludicrous.
The thing to remember these giveaways attached with the preorder have no actual use in game.
There will be no advantage (this is my opinion as valid as yours, so take as it is). This is not a regular MMO where you start early, burn through content, start raiding early and then show up in 1337 gear near the town gate calling passerbys noobs. There is no advantage in early start except setting up a running production line. Preorders are not "throwing money" at FLS, they get none until the actual box is sold. The only purpose of the preorders is to indicate for publisher the approximate demand for the game so they can supply the boxes to the store. I'm not sure if computer stores charge shelving fees, but i'm pretty sure they want to know the demand for a game which will take some space in their selling space. It's a plain and fair deal, you preorder (i.e. give indication that you, may be, are going to buy it) and get in 2 weeks early. Every single MMO does it. So i'm not sure why is it a problem with PotBS. I had a month headstart in LotR, not mentioning i was 8 months in beta before that. The only advantage i had is that i knew all the newb zone quest and was able to help the regulars answering their questions in the zone chat.
I hear your opinion.... but That is why I don't play LOTRO... FLS is a level based game so... when I buy the game install it and log on and there is guy in there who is already level 20 and has 15 days under his belt... how is that fair?
When I played WoW.. I bought the game... installed it.. Logged in... and started playing on a server that had been openned that morning. Everyone on the server started out at the exact sametime. So i was 1 hr of gameplay everyone else on the server that had been playing was 1 hr of gameplay.
If they bring out a new server when the servers come up day one.. of the RELEASE DATE.. then this won't be an issue for me. But I'm merely stating that giving other players a head start because they tossed money out before the product releases is an unfair advantage. And I will reiterate, what will they do next offer people to pay more to get a better Items or access.
Thats why I enjoyed WoW, but have grown tired of it, just because I played it for awhile. In wow, I paid 15 bucks a month and every other person in there paid the same fee and they all got the same service.
They should just make a preorders, get the parrot and something in game, but not a headstart..... have them start out at the same time as everyone else.
The point in Potbs is valid though, there are no NPC´s that sell items for ships and the drops although they exist are rare and only for a part of the slots u have to upgrade a ship. In any case the leveling part in Potbs will be rather short and i´ve never seen an MMO yet in wich the level of the char in itself did less for his Performance in PvP. So hold your horses give the game a try and i fail to say why every little decision by a Developer is a reason not to buy/play the game. You don´t care how your nice new Shoes were made if u like them or do you?
Jeez stop whining about people getting a head start! It's 2 weeks! God, grow up! LOL -And if you want that head start so bad, what's keeping you from pre-ordering??
Nah, I'm not trying to whine. May come off as I am.
I'm just ticked off. I was really looking forward to Pirates of the Burning Sea. Its really the only original game that I have seen thus far. I'm looking for a reply from their devs saying that there will be new servers at the Release Date if we wish to have a fresh start.
I figured my rant would grab their attention. I'll delete them if people don't agree with my point.
Why all the upset feelings? I don't see them doing anything that every other major MMO released in the past few years have done. You aren't paying the full fee for the game, just $10 to pre-order, which is then deducted from the full price when you do go buy it. Nothing out of whack about that. If the 2 week "head start", which is capped at level 20 from what I have read, is that big of a deal to anyone, then maybe they should go spend the $10 and pre-order as well. If you can't afford the $10, then I doubt you can afford the monthly fee anyway.
What is up with you people. You are whining and crying over something that has no affect on your gameplay when you start.
You have the same chance to preorder if you want. Preordering gives you a chance to play before they launch, which is still like beta only closer to launch. 15 days of free play isn't going to hurt anyone the way the games made.
What is the deal with some of you wanting to start equal? That is the stupidest thing I ever heard. You want everyone to play at the start, the same time so that you can compare your progress with others? Are you that narcissistic and naive to think that the game revolves around you only? Look if you start play right now on any game that's been out for months or years you can get the best gear and be like the others with only a few months time. It is actually quicker to level and get the best gear the later you start in any MMO, because stuff is all implemented from guilds to items for sale.
What is up with you people. You are whining and crying over something that has no affect on your gameplay when you start. You have the same chance to preorder if you want. Preordering gives you a chance to play before they launch, which is still like beta only closer to launch. 15 days of free play isn't going to hurt anyone the way the games made. What is the deal with some of you wanting to start equal? That is the stupidest thing I ever heard. You want everyone to play at the start, the same time so that you can compare your progress with others? Are you that narcissistic and naive to think that the game revolves around you only? Look if you start play right now on any game that's been out for months or years you can get the best gear and be like the others with only a few months time. It is actually quicker to level and get the best gear the later you start in any MMO, because stuff is all implemented from guilds to items for sale.
.... I don't mind it in a PVE BASED GAME... but POTBS has PVP in it. in a pvp based game, you are in constant competition with your enemies.. So if they get a 15 day headstart and 20 levels... that means you'll have those people with the 15 day headstart roaming around. AKA an advantage. I just want a dev to pop in and say that new servers will be available for people who choose to stay cautious and purchase the game on the day of release.
"Do you understand the words that are comin out of my mouth," Chris Tucker
The reason they will have the headstart to pre-orders is for people to get the economy up and running by the time the game goes live, as the economy is wholly player-driven. NPC's will not sell anything but the cheapest crap imaginable. Everything will be player-manufactured and produced. Since the people who will pre-order are generally the people who know most about the game, that means the economy should be at least kick-started by the time the general populace comes into play. Yes, you will get those people who will rush to get their levels up and such, but they will be less than the people who will be working to get an economic base going for the more powerful ships and such.
Not to mention the starter areas will not be flooded with boat loads of people. And if all goes well and the game takes off, it would not be surprising to see them 'need' to open new servers.
Ug... I enjoy the flood of new players into a the starting zone. It was just mass chaos it was great. Plus the pvp possiblities would be great. But then I think of starting out in the starter zone and the guys that preordered waiting for their friends that didn't preorder.. goin hmm I wanna wait for them.. what will we do... lets go gank people who didn't get the 15 day headstart.
I compare this to other PVP MMO's I played, EVE/COH/WOW ... any that involved PVP.. a level 1 had no chance against a level 20. Or a 2mil sp has no chance against a 10mil sp.
Originally posted by treefitty.... I don't mind it in a PVE BASED GAME... but POTBS has PVP in it. in a pvp based game, you are in constant competition with your enemies.. So if they get a 15 day headstart and 20 levels... that means you'll have those people with the 15 day headstart roaming around. AKA an advantage. I just want a dev to pop in and say that new servers will be available for people who choose to stay cautious and purchase the game on the day of release.
"Do you understand the words that are comin out of my mouth," Chris Tucker
You can level to 50 without fighting a single PvP battle, because PvP is limited to certain zones only. if you like PvE - play PvE, if you like PvP - team up with other newbs and go on the rampage.
Preorder shouldn't be a governing issue about the purchase of PotBS. Just ask yourself if you like tall ships, the sound of the wind in the sails, smell of the gunpowder - that kind of stuff.
Originally posted by treefitty.... I don't mind it in a PVE BASED GAME... but POTBS has PVP in it. in a pvp based game, you are in constant competition with your enemies.. So if they get a 15 day headstart and 20 levels... that means you'll have those people with the 15 day headstart roaming around. AKA an advantage. I just want a dev to pop in and say that new servers will be available for people who choose to stay cautious and purchase the game on the day of release.
"Do you understand the words that are comin out of my mouth," Chris Tucker
You can level to 50 without fighting a single PvP battle, because PvP is limited to certain zones only. if you like PvE - play PvE, if you like PvP - team up with other newbs and go on the rampage.
Preorder shouldn't be a governing issue about the purchase of PotBS. Just ask yourself if you like tall ships, the sound of the wind in the sails, smell of the gunpowder - that kind of stuff.
Yea, and parrot, LOL.
That statement is really reinforcing my point. I'm trying to understand why people think a 15 day headstart isn't an unfair advantage. I want to PVP all the way up.
I don't care if people power level from day one... but not getting the chance to enter the game 15 days early just because I thought that preordering a game 3 months in advance for $49.99 + tax(I went to see how much it was to preorder the game and its 49.99, 3 months in advance) when its a new company. I'm an avid gamer maybe I'm just whining. But I fail to understand why it seems that no one else has the same view point.
This is directed at those who are upset at the 2 week window of gameplay...
Its a pre-order situation. It costs 5 bucks...thats a fricking pack of smokes for those who partake in that habit.
You can pretty much tell if a game is your bag in two weeks time. If you like it, pay the rest, get teh game, and keep on playing....if it sucks..you got two weeks to gaming entertainment and a CD with weird pirate music to inflict on your frieds, all for the price of a blockbuster rental.
if you are gonna bitch that 5 bucks is too much, wtf were you gonna use to buy the game two weeks later when it cost 50?
man, really.
Frank 'Spankybus' Mignone www.spankybus.com -3d Artist & Compositor -Writer -Professional Amature
How come they havent made any arangement for pre-order in Europe?
Here is a quote from teh press release on the PotBS site.
"Pirates of the Burning Sea is scheduled to be available for preorder in North America on Tuesday, October 23, 2007. A European pre-order date has not been set at this time.
We’ll provide information for our European fans in short order"
They haven't forgetten about you mates! Perhaps making arrangements for pre-order overseas is a bit more complex and thus takes more time to arrange, i really do not know. But there you go,
Frank 'Spankybus' Mignone www.spankybus.com -3d Artist & Compositor -Writer -Professional Amature
Anyway, seems to me the Beta testers have more of an unfair advantage than the 2 week preorder people since they know all the tricks and locations and how to min/max battles etc. UNFAIR!!!
But seriously, the "2 weeks headstart" argument isn't very strong, just hook up with an active and serious PvP guild that actually works together and any perceived imbalance will disappear within the first month. The ebb and flow of global power and controll in the game will change hands constantly over the years and if you're any good as a player a measly 2 weeks won't matter a bit.
As for waiting for an Open Beta before laying down your cash - oh yes that is safe and cautious advice... FOR YOUR MOM! - what kind of REAL Pirate is safe and cautious?!?! Caution Be Damned!!! CHARGE TO FULL $49.95 RAMMING SPEED!!! (or whatever the retail price is)
As for waiting for an Open Beta before laying down your cash - oh yes that is safe and cautious advice... FOR YOUR MOM! - what kind of REAL Pirate is safe and cautious?!?! Caution Be Damned!!! CHARGE TO FULL $49.95 RAMMING SPEED!!! (or whatever the retail price is)
Hahah.
Almost 30 and still laugh at your mom jokes... god help me.
Waiting for: A skill-based MMO with Freedom and Consequence. Woe to thee, the pierce-ed.
No. Its 49.99 +tax on both gamestop and amazons websites to preorder the prerelease. u can visit them yourself.
They should do an 11 day Open Beta... Then a 3 day pre-boarding where you can level in the actual game. But two weeks is excessive for a pre-release IMO.
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there was an announcement on the POTBS site that it would be under the station pass
Magic is impressive, but now Minsc leads! Swords for everyone!
Any word if the pre-order version is available through online retailers or just in-store? I checked Amazon and Gamestop, both listed the "ships on" date as January 21, not the pre-order advance date.
I will probably purchase and play this game, but this preorder business has gotten out of hand.
Spending money on a game that is not out yet, with no guarentee it will be is just plain dumb, Ask the people from Gods and Heros how good their preorder was.
Giving a publisher free use of your money for months with nothing in return is beyond ludicrous.
The thing to remember these giveaways attached with the preorder have no actual use in game.
With no open beta to date....I won't touch this game till there is an open"beta" or I get reviews I trust....after the game comes out.
When I played WoW.. I bought the game... installed it.. Logged in... and started playing on a server that had been openned that morning. Everyone on the server started out at the exact sametime. So i was 1 hr of gameplay everyone else on the server that had been playing was 1 hr of gameplay.
If they bring out a new server when the servers come up day one.. of the RELEASE DATE.. then this won't be an issue for me. But I'm merely stating that giving other players a head start because they tossed money out before the product releases is an unfair advantage. And I will reiterate, what will they do next offer people to pay more to get a better Items or access.
Thats why I enjoyed WoW, but have grown tired of it, just because I played it for awhile. In wow, I paid 15 bucks a month and every other person in there paid the same fee and they all got the same service.
They should just make a preorders, get the parrot and something in game, but not a headstart..... have them start out at the same time as everyone else.
Jeez stop whining about people getting a head start! It's 2 weeks! God, grow up! LOL
-And if you want that head start so bad, what's keeping you from pre-ordering??
The point in Potbs is valid though, there are no NPC´s that sell items for ships and the drops although they exist are rare and only for a part of the slots u have to upgrade a ship. In any case the leveling part in Potbs will be rather short and i´ve never seen an MMO yet in wich the level of the char in itself did less for his Performance in PvP. So hold your horses give the game a try and i fail to say why every little decision by a Developer is a reason not to buy/play the game. You don´t care how your nice new Shoes were made if u like them or do you?
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Nah, I'm not trying to whine. May come off as I am.
I'm just ticked off. I was really looking forward to Pirates of the Burning Sea. Its really the only original game that I have seen thus far. I'm looking for a reply from their devs saying that there will be new servers at the Release Date if we wish to have a fresh start.
I figured my rant would grab their attention. I'll delete them if people don't agree with my point.
Why all the upset feelings? I don't see them doing anything that every other major MMO released in the past few years have done. You aren't paying the full fee for the game, just $10 to pre-order, which is then deducted from the full price when you do go buy it. Nothing out of whack about that. If the 2 week "head start", which is capped at level 20 from what I have read, is that big of a deal to anyone, then maybe they should go spend the $10 and pre-order as well. If you can't afford the $10, then I doubt you can afford the monthly fee anyway.
What is up with you people. You are whining and crying over something that has no affect on your gameplay when you start.
You have the same chance to preorder if you want. Preordering gives you a chance to play before they launch, which is still like beta only closer to launch. 15 days of free play isn't going to hurt anyone the way the games made.
What is the deal with some of you wanting to start equal? That is the stupidest thing I ever heard. You want everyone to play at the start, the same time so that you can compare your progress with others? Are you that narcissistic and naive to think that the game revolves around you only? Look if you start play right now on any game that's been out for months or years you can get the best gear and be like the others with only a few months time. It is actually quicker to level and get the best gear the later you start in any MMO, because stuff is all implemented from guilds to items for sale.
"Do you understand the words that are comin out of my mouth," Chris Tucker
The reason they will have the headstart to pre-orders is for people to get the economy up and running by the time the game goes live, as the economy is wholly player-driven. NPC's will not sell anything but the cheapest crap imaginable. Everything will be player-manufactured and produced. Since the people who will pre-order are generally the people who know most about the game, that means the economy should be at least kick-started by the time the general populace comes into play. Yes, you will get those people who will rush to get their levels up and such, but they will be less than the people who will be working to get an economic base going for the more powerful ships and such.
Not to mention the starter areas will not be flooded with boat loads of people. And if all goes well and the game takes off, it would not be surprising to see them 'need' to open new servers.
I can understand why people would want to start with a clean slate.
But I also think everyone should preorder the game, and those that don't should be punished!
So I guess we are at an impass, heh. But if they want to start a new server at the release time.. i wouldn't complain.
Waiting for: A skill-based MMO with Freedom and Consequence.
Woe to thee, the pierce-ed.
Ug... I enjoy the flood of new players into a the starting zone. It was just mass chaos it was great. Plus the pvp possiblities would be great. But then I think of starting out in the starter zone and the guys that preordered waiting for their friends that didn't preorder.. goin hmm I wanna wait for them.. what will we do... lets go gank people who didn't get the 15 day headstart.
I compare this to other PVP MMO's I played, EVE/COH/WOW ... any that involved PVP.. a level 1 had no chance against a level 20. Or a 2mil sp has no chance against a 10mil sp.
Preorder shouldn't be a governing issue about the purchase of PotBS. Just ask yourself if you like tall ships, the sound of the wind in the sails, smell of the gunpowder - that kind of stuff.
Yea, and parrot, LOL.
Preorder shouldn't be a governing issue about the purchase of PotBS. Just ask yourself if you like tall ships, the sound of the wind in the sails, smell of the gunpowder - that kind of stuff.
Yea, and parrot, LOL.
That statement is really reinforcing my point. I'm trying to understand why people think a 15 day headstart isn't an unfair advantage. I want to PVP all the way up.I don't care if people power level from day one... but not getting the chance to enter the game 15 days early just because I thought that preordering a game 3 months in advance for $49.99 + tax(I went to see how much it was to preorder the game and its 49.99, 3 months in advance) when its a new company. I'm an avid gamer maybe I'm just whining. But I fail to understand why it seems that no one else has the same view point.
Two Weeks headstart feels a bit much to me, but I dont really bother, only I would think it fair to give away beta access to pre-ordering ppl.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Wow....some people are just insane.
This is directed at those who are upset at the 2 week window of gameplay...
Its a pre-order situation. It costs 5 bucks...thats a fricking pack of smokes for those who partake in that habit.
You can pretty much tell if a game is your bag in two weeks time. If you like it, pay the rest, get teh game, and keep on playing....if it sucks..you got two weeks to gaming entertainment and a CD with weird pirate music to inflict on your frieds, all for the price of a blockbuster rental.
if you are gonna bitch that 5 bucks is too much, wtf were you gonna use to buy the game two weeks later when it cost 50?
man, really.
Frank 'Spankybus' Mignone
www.spankybus.com
-3d Artist & Compositor
-Writer
-Professional Amature
"Pirates of the Burning Sea is scheduled to be available for preorder in North America on Tuesday, October 23, 2007. A European pre-order date has not been set at this time.
We’ll provide information for our European fans in short order"
They haven't forgetten about you mates! Perhaps making arrangements for pre-order overseas is a bit more complex and thus takes more time to arrange, i really do not know. But there you go,
Frank 'Spankybus' Mignone
www.spankybus.com
-3d Artist & Compositor
-Writer
-Professional Amature
Hasn't anyone said it yet... YARRR!
Anyway, seems to me the Beta testers have more of an unfair advantage than the 2 week preorder people since they know all the tricks and locations and how to min/max battles etc. UNFAIR!!!
But seriously, the "2 weeks headstart" argument isn't very strong, just hook up with an active and serious PvP guild that actually works together and any perceived imbalance will disappear within the first month. The ebb and flow of global power and controll in the game will change hands constantly over the years and if you're any good as a player a measly 2 weeks won't matter a bit.
As for waiting for an Open Beta before laying down your cash - oh yes that is safe and cautious advice... FOR YOUR MOM! - what kind of REAL Pirate is safe and cautious?!?! Caution Be Damned!!! CHARGE TO FULL $49.95 RAMMING SPEED!!! (or whatever the retail price is)
Hahah.
Almost 30 and still laugh at your mom jokes... god help me.
Waiting for: A skill-based MMO with Freedom and Consequence.
Woe to thee, the pierce-ed.
Geez, its just $5. Are some of you really this cheap and childish?
No. Its 49.99 +tax on both gamestop and amazons websites to preorder the prerelease. u can visit them yourself.
They should do an 11 day Open Beta... Then a 3 day pre-boarding where you can level in the actual game. But two weeks is excessive for a pre-release IMO.