Everquest pisses me off

Confronted · July 2004

After trying out the damn game (Everquest Triology 30 day free trial), the game style pisses me off. I never played an mmorpg with first person view. I played 30 minutes in the tutorial. It is so bad man, it didn't even let me change mouse sensitivity of the game, so when I want to look up, I have to move the mouse all the way to the back of my desk.

Furthurmore, physical combat is a riot in my opinion. I have to click on the auto-attack button thing, then go close to the target and I could go out and get some coffee while my character attacks. Looking around was especially hard, I dont even know where the heck I am going due to low mouse sensitivity. Sucks so much, just terrible.

I wonder if EQ2 is gonna be the same? The released movies show me nothing of what the viewing style is gonna be, cept some good ass graphics. In my opinion, first person view should only be for games like Counter-Strike.

I guess I'm just too used to game styles like Diablo II. My type of mmorpg would be like Diablo, cept there is more people in a world and should include races and new classes to create an exteme complex system of available items. I love Diablo's item system, an almost infinite variety of equipment.

Three words, fpv is irrelevant for mmorpg's.

I'm looking for reasonable arguments, please feel free to "confront" me.

tu_uilwen · July 2004

First off you can change your view from first to third and a few others you just need to check all of the control set ups.

And if i;m not mistaken you can change your sensitivity so you need to look around on that one too

and haha used to d2....

what click=one swing....click click click click click click...man i can beath that game all the way thru hell in a day....

EQ2 you have skills......like kick..slam...bash...and stuff.........and has SO much MORE content then d2 ever will....and their still adding ALOT more......

D2 you don't get epic quest and hell you don't only get 3-6 quest per...."chapter"

and you need to learn how to play a mmorpg also.....because d2 is not a mmorpg at all.....d2 is lame..boring...and pretty stupid....

Uilwen
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Everquest 2
World of warcraft
Half-life 2
Guild wars

Everquest--Uilwen 45 ranger

Confronted · July 2004

Lol look guy, you don't know what I am saying. You are saying that EQ has kick slash punch bash, what about Diablo's punch kick slash punch bash. They have it too, and clicking all day to attack? What do you mean, dont we always click to play. Quests, I didnt say diablo is very good. I'm saying the game style of the game is nice. If there was Diablo III I know of many ways of making it perfect for it's time. Now, Diablo is pretty old that is why it has some less features. I'm just saying, mmorpg Diablo with alot of new stuff would make it perfect, for me.

ramadin · July 2004

First of all, if you didnt even play the game long enough to figure out that F9 is to switch to 3rd person view, then you prolly didnt play long enough to do much of anything. As far as Diablo 2.... um D2 isnt even an MMORPG no one wants to click thousands and thousands of times to attack, my frikkin arm wants to fall off when I play D2. So dont go bashing a game just because it kicked your ass.

Laying in bed, looking up at the stars, a single thought passed through my head. Where the fuck is my roof?

tu_uilwen · July 2004

Your right....kick punch bash...w.e.......

D2=crap.....not even an mmorpg......little content and is the same fraking game no matter how many times you beat it....only like 7 classes....some male 3 female....little content.....I mean the magic and normal items in the game aren't even worth it...not even at like level 3......atleast in eq the low level items are decent at times........I hate the third person sorta view.....can't even change the views...wish you could...that would make d2 alittle more interesting.....and who wants to be in a field where the strongest thigns in the game are freaking cows.....it gets annoying....moo moo Moo MoOOoO......its like OMG SHUT UP!!!!

d2=boring and a crappy community....plus like 329832132421 hackers and duppers.......the community sux.....and has nothing but hackers...and people begging to be rushed to fight cows.........

I meam at this point i think i can say eq the game it self is smarter then you......

F9=change view.....(thx ram lol i forgot the key.....I haven't played in a few months because computer is down)

options or one of the windows has the option ot change your sensitivite i am like more then positive on that because every game like this has one.....

Uilwen
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Everquest 2
World of warcraft
Half-life 2
Guild wars

Everquest--Uilwen 45 ranger

Confronted · July 2004

I already know you can change different view perspectives, but it is so lame that I can't even see the floor, even worse then first person view. I'm probably just not used to it. And also, you people are not trying to get what I am saying about Diablo II. I am not f**king saying that Diablo is a good mmorpg. I'm saying that mmorpg viewing style like Diablo II would be nice. I've played mmorpg's with that kind of style but does not have as good features. And I am just saying I would LIKE mmorpg that way period

P.S. I am not referring Diablo as a good mmorpg. I did mention before, with some changes, [including but not limited to] new classes and added races, Diablo III will be nice shit.

Confronted · July 2004

Originally posted by ramadin

First of all, if you didnt even play the game long enough to figure out that F9 is to switch to 3rd person view, then you prolly didnt play long enough to do much of anything. As far as Diablo 2.... um D2 isnt even an MMORPG no one wants to click thousands and thousands of times to attack, my frikkin arm wants to fall off when I play D2. So dont go bashing a game just because it kicked your ass.

thousands of clicking, playing a game you dont need to click hard or swinging your arm about. I would only do that in counter-strike when i feel like clickign harder is more damage. anyway you cant break your arm from thousands of clicks.. unless you are clicking in an unapropriate way. oh and i'm not saying diablo is an mmorpg. i only used the basic game style of it as an example, done.

ramadin · July 2004

You CAN play EQ in the same view that you would play diablo in, exactly the same view. Cant see the floor? Dude figure out how to use controls before you complain.

Laying in bed, looking up at the stars, a single thought passed through my head. Where the fuck is my roof?

tu_uilwen · July 2004

Too be honest with you....

D2 and EQ can't even be compared in any way........

D2=Click,click,click,click,click,click,click........moo...moo...MoOo...MOo....only like 200 items if that.....no crafting.....retarded pvp.....21312312 hackers....13212321 beggers....ya know the people BEGGING to get rushed. Only like what 6 quests a chapter......same game EVERY time you play it...and it pretty much NEVER changes.....only what 7 classes and you can't pick to be female or male......B O R I N G and REtArdEd community.

EQ=THOUSANDS of items.......15 classes...like 13 races....tons of items to craft......never the same.....well it might be for alittle bit depends what your doing..crafting..pvp...leveling....Awesome community......sure there are a bunch of beggers but none to get rushed so that they can go off and fight cows......Male and Female versions of all the availible Races....no hackers......This game actually has low level items that are useful....unlike in d2 where you get a sword with +110% dmg to undead.....hooo..woo..I'm in act 1 past ALL the freakin undead.....wow this sword is useful.....and atleast in EQ you need alot of people to kill the BIG BOSSES of an area...unlike d2 where you can solo the whole freakin game......

Uilwen
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Everquest 2
World of warcraft
Half-life 2
Guild wars

Everquest--Uilwen 45 ranger

neschria · July 2004

You can also change to third person and back with the scroll wheel on your mouse, if you have one. I used to play 1st person exclusively, but since they added scroll-to-3rd, I probably play about 50/50 first and third person-- particularly now that I am playing an enchanter and it is important to know what's around me.

There are other abilities that melee types get that you don't get in the tutorial. For instance, the rogue doesn't get backstab until level 10, and that's a pretty defining trait of the class. Monks get a variety of attacks at fairly low levels, but there is no trainer in the tutorial to teach them to you, and you don't get Feign Death, another class defining ability, until 17. Warriors get some cool toys along the way-- incite, focused will....er... incite.... (LOL) ... Shadow Knights and Paladins don't REALLY get spells until 9, and start to come into their own around level 30 or so-- but those knight classes are my favorite, so it would be complete bias on my part to suggest that it gets better if you stick it out that long.

But if you can't stand the combat, why not try something different? Bards get a new song every level, and can do some pretty neat things with them. Mages and beastlords get pets (at 4 and 9 respectively) that can be fun to play with. Druids get a ton of spells, and are a great utility class that can solo. So, there might be something else out there you would enjoy.

It still has a very steep learning curve, even after all the changes made to make being a newbie easier, and that's not something that is everyone's cup of tea. I hope you do find the game you want out there. MU Online is kind of Diablo-like, if you haven't tried it yet.

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MountainDew · July 2004

Lol you make me laugh ramadin, i can sometimes hear your voice in your posts, makes me laugh, and con, did you even look in the game manual? mabey it in there?

Playing - CoH and EQ
Waiting On - EQ2, WoW, and GW

Tymora · July 2004

Originally posted by Confronted

I already know you can change different view perspectives, but it is so lame that I can't even see the floor, even worse then first person view. I'm probably just not used to it. And also, you people are not trying to get what I am saying about Diablo II. I am not f**king saying that Diablo is a good mmorpg. I'm saying that mmorpg viewing style like Diablo II would be nice. I've played mmorpg's with that kind of style but does not have as good features. And I am just saying I would LIKE mmorpg that way period
P.S. I am not referring Diablo as a good mmorpg. I did mention before, with some changes, [including but not limited to] new classes and added races, Diablo III will be nice shit.

If you really want a MMORPG with a veiwpoint like Diablo II (Isometric view), I suggest you try Ultima Online. You get to click on stuff in that game, too.

mijamie · July 2004

On another note:

Everquest isn't for everyone, I have some friends that really love the playing style and the way it's changed over the years, and I have some friends that can't stand it.

Couple of things:

As far as the view, well.. Yes, F9 is a great thing, I love it when doing raids, and it allows to me access see everyone around me.

Also, The ability to keep more then one target (under CTRL-O [OPTIONS] ) I am able to watch the mob and watch a friend I'm not grouped with. and under options you also have the ability to make those minor adjustments to mouse and colors, and anything else that you find that pisses you off. keypad, etc.

Trust me, the Everquest you have nowadays, compared to 5 or 6 years ago in BETA 4, you'd be loving it so much, it's hard to let go

Try to make sure you utilize all the abilities before downing a game, After playing so many Multiplayer online games, I've found that they all have their own greatness about them, minus AO that just sucked royally

Good Luck and shoot me an email if you need some help.

-Jamie-

Scaris · July 2004

Originally posted by Confronted
After trying out the damn game (Everquest Triology 30 day free trial), the game style pisses me off. I never played an mmorpg with first person view. I played 30 minutes in the tutorial. It is so bad man, it didn't even let me change mouse sensitivity of the game, so when I want to look up, I have to move the mouse all the way to the back of my desk.
Furthurmore, physical combat is a riot in my opinion. I have to click on the auto-attack button thing, then go close to the target and I could go out and get some coffee while my character attacks. Looking around was especially hard, I dont even know where the heck I am going due to low mouse sensitivity. Sucks so much, just terrible.
I wonder if EQ2 is gonna be the same? The released movies show me nothing of what the viewing style is gonna be, cept some good ass graphics. In my opinion, first person view should only be for games like Counter-Strike.
I guess I'm just too used to game styles like Diablo II. My type of mmorpg would be like Diablo, cept there is more people in a world and should include races and new classes to create an exteme complex system of available items. I love Diablo's item system, an almost infinite variety of equipment.
Three words, fpv is irrelevant for mmorpg's.
I'm looking for reasonable arguments, please feel free to "confront" me.

If your running a logitech mouse its doing that because you have game acceleartion disabled in your mouse control panel. Or you have your mousespeed set way to slow. And it is adjustable, its /mousespeed(1-4) or something like that, you can find it in /help

- Fadeus Hawkwood

Drakaeon · July 2004

I also hate the different views. Yes, I know F9 changes them. Yes, I tried them all. Yes, I hate them all. Really, they are all horrible. I like a view such as Dark Age of Camelot, Lineage II, Final Fantasy XI. That is why I never really played Everquest. Sure hope Everquest II has a different view system.

ramadin · July 2004

Originally posted by Drakaeon

I also hate the different views. Yes, I know F9 changes them. Yes, I tried them all. Yes, I hate them all. Really, they are all horrible. I like a view such as Dark Age of Camelot, Lineage II, Final Fantasy XI. That is why I never really played Everquest. Sure hope Everquest II has a different view system.

Uh, you can adjust the view in F9 by holding the right click button and adjusting it to any, ANY view you want... How can you say the view sux when you have any view possible? More than likely you just suck at the computer in general.

Laying in bed, looking up at the stars, a single thought passed through my head. Where the fuck is my roof?

Ragalorn · July 2004

Its funny seeing people trying to offer quality alternatives or solutions to someone who doesnt want to hear them, Confronted's post is just a rant about a game he played barely enough for the hard drive to even recognize the game was actually installed.

Here is a CRAZY piece of information for you, EQ is 6 years old, what the heck did you expect?????? Seriously. Play the game with that in your head and maybe you will give it a chance and discover how amazing the game can be.

It looks to me this was simply a "bash EQ" post and then you got no one actually backing you up, so you left.

SHEESH.

neschria · July 2004

Well, it probably was just a "bash EQ" post, but maybe someone else will read the suggestions and find something helpful in them.

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Anofalye · July 2004

Dont assume I am defending EQ, I am not.

But, if I play in real time, only 1 toon, no big strategy thinking, no fellow group members to command, I find the FPV more addicting and more fun then a birdie view. Birdie view goes better with game based turn or when having more then 1 toon to control IMO. Now a view like KOTOR might be better or not...yet, a birdie view(diablo like) in real time with no more then 1 toon to control, I dont like that at all....

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Meqaber · July 2004

Ok well...i can say i like Diablo 2 alot, it was fun for its time, even though its so damn repetitive, but EQ is clearly a better game, although its different, it just wipes away diablo/2, i think everyone else pretty much cleared the topic of this, even if yuo don't like EQ most will say it is better but oh well

Unknown · July 2004

Originally posted by Confronted
After trying out the damn game (Everquest Triology 30 day free trial), the game style pisses me off. I never played an mmorpg with first person view. I played 30 minutes in the tutorial. It is so bad man, it didn't even let me change mouse sensitivity of the game, so when I want to look up, I have to move the mouse all the way to the back of my desk.

First thing, EQ is one of the oldest MMORPGs out. It is more than 5 years old! (almost as old as Diablo! LOL!) It is like driving a 1956 Chevy and complaining there is no powersteering, AC, FM radio, CD player, etc... Keep in mind that you are playing a very old game. Now about the camera view -

Dude, click on the OPTIONS link! Then change your camera view! (Need proof that the camera view can be changed? Check out the links in my sig,

http://community.webshots.com/album/56513874AhSmgM

http://community.webshots.com/user/xplororor_archives01

you will see proof EQ is not a "first person view" game.) And yes you can change mouse sensitivity, and a ton of other options too! BTW, ALL MMORPGs allow players to play in First Person View - IF they choose to do so in the Options link/menu. It's just that the default setting in EQ, when you first log in is First Person View. In most other MMORPGs the default setting when you first log in is 3rd Person View. Players then go to the options menu/link and change the camera view to whatever way they prefer.

Furthurmore, physical combat is a riot in my opinion. I have to click on the auto-attack button thing, then go close to the target and I could go out and get some coffee while my character attacks.

I agree. Combat in EQ is very laid back. Especially vs modern, newer MMORPGs. But as you gain higher levels in EQ, you WILL get more, and new, combat moves. (Barbarians can kick, Paladins can Bash with their shields, etc...). BTW, combat in EQ basically is the same as in Dablo and Diablo2. Except you level up far faster in D1 and D2. And most monsters in D1 and D2 take very, very, little time to kill (except for the major bosses at the end of each act.) Do you have any examples of other MMORPGs as examples of the kind of combat you like?

Looking around was especially hard, I dont even know where the heck I am going due to low mouse sensitivity. Sucks so much, just terrible.

See my first reply to your post. You have to go to the options, then change your camera view. There is the From Behind View, First Person View, 3rd Person View, and more.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/101243841/101245028wXukib

http://community.webshots.com/photo/56513874/63652965wIEDja

http://community.webshots.com/photo/56513874/63673470PmHXRL

http://community.webshots.com/photo/56513874/73618740hGHpbv

http://community.webshots.com/photo/101251045/101251217mRwDHW

I wonder if EQ2 is gonna be the same? The released movies show me nothing of what the viewing style is gonna be, cept some good ass graphics. In my opinion, first person view should only be for games like Counter-Strike.

The only thing the same between EQ2 and EQ, is the planet has the same name - Norrath. And the 2 starting cities have the same names as in EQ. EQ is a 100% Level Based game. After you reach roughly level 46, you can get AA points (Alternate Advancement points) then EQ becomes more like 75% Level Based/25% Skill Based game. EQ2 is leaning more towards being a Skill Based game. It is still in beta so no telling how the released version will actually be. IMHO EQ2 might end up being be 50% Level Based/50% Skill Based game.

I guess I'm just too used to game styles like Diablo II. My type of mmorpg would be like Diablo, cept there is more people in a world and should include races and new classes to create an exteme complex system of available items. I love Diablo's item system, an almost infinite variety of equipment.

Diablo, and Diablo2 are not MMORPGs. They are ORPGs. Just like Freelancer, and Dungeonsiege. There is a stand alone mode. And the online mode can only hold between 1, 10, 400 players (in Freelancer) on one server at the most. In Diablo, and D2, 1 server at the most holds up to 8 players. When you log off, things are not still going on in the game world. The game world never ever changes.

In a MMORPG every single player on the server is directly, and indirectly, influencing you. There are anywhere from 1,000 to 12,000 to 50,000 players on just 1 server! And when you log out, things are still going on in the game world. If you like PvP, you may even log back in and see your land/castle/keep/fortress/security set up .... destoryed and taken over heheh. Many MMORPGs also have a vibrant ingame economy. In some of the newer MMORPGs, you can buy and sell items even while you are offline, logged out! Also the game world is constantly changing. EQ has been expanded sooo much it is incredible! Snow areas, new dungeons, Planes of Power, more. Diablo and D2 have forever been the exact same game world since both released.

I agree Diablo is a nice game. (Diablo2: Lords of Destruction is better than D1 IMHO. Diablo 1 has been soo hacked, it is over-hacked... it is now 100% unplayable online. Blizzard has given up on Diablo 1. Diablo2 is amuck with hackers, but it is still playable. Blizzard cracks down on the hackers, then they beat Blizzard back a few months later with new and better hacks.).

EQ is the one MMORPG that still has the very best selection of races and professions. Over 16+! And Female choices for every single race. TONS of towns and cities. TONS of zones/points of intrests. TONS of dungeons. Players can be a HUGE giant Troll, Ogre, or a teeny tiny Hobbit, and Gnome. And everything inbetween.... Catpeople, Frog people, much, much, much, more. EQ also has TONS of items. Maybe not as much as Diablo2, but pretty darn close heheh.

Three words, fpv is irrelevant for mmorpg's.

Diablo and Diablo2 have an Options menu. So do every single MMORPG. Click on the Options and change the camera view to the one you like!

I'm looking for reasonable arguments, please feel free to "confront" me.

Nahhh... I don't confront. I just post relevant info. I don't look for fights. I look to make sure everyone is aware of all the facts and truth. Comparing notes with everyone.

Some tips for playing EQ if it is your first time:

- Start on the newer servers. You will find more newer players. Xegoney comes to mind. (It's my main server.) Post a new thread asking the EQ veterans to list the most newest servers. Post also at the EQ forums on stratics.com

- Group with other players. Pick easy starting races/professions so you can learn the game first. Human, Half-Elf, High Elf, Elf..... Druid, Barbarian Warrior, Dwarf Paladin, are nice choices. Do not pick Troll, Ogre,........ Shadowknight, Dark Elf Wizard, etc.. which are far harder to play. Do not pick Wizard profession at all LOL! They get super powerful later on, but are super weak starting out.

- Get to know other players, and see about joining their guilds. Prefrebly after you reach level 25 - 35. 25% of EQ can only be experienced if you are in a guild or else you will die easily from the mighty bosses, and their henchmen. Especially the higher level game, and endgame.

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neschria · July 2004

Originally posted by xplororor
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- Start on the newer servers. You will find more newer players. Xegoney comes to mind. (It's my main server.) Post a new thread asking the EQ veterans to list the most newest servers. Post also at the EQ forums on stratics.com

I hate to quibble when it doesn't matter, but Xegony is an OLD server. I have been playing on Xegony since 1999. It's one of the oldest servers. But it's where I play, so I am not bad-mouthing it by saying it is old. But it does seem to have a fair mix of levels, despite its age.

The newest servers are Morden Rasp, Stromm, and Maelin Starpyre. But I would recommend trying out several servers if you aren't happy with the first one you pick, as you will find that the community varies from server to server.

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Mentat · July 2004

Originally posted by tu_uilwen

First off you can change your view from first to third and a few others you just need to check all of the control set ups.
And if i;m not mistaken you can change your sensitivity so you need to look around on that one too
and haha used to d2....
what click=one swing....click click click click click click...man i can beath that game all the way thru hell in a day....
EQ2 you have skills......like kick..slam...bash...and stuff.........and has SO much MORE content then d2 ever will....and their still adding ALOT more......
D2 you don't get epic quest and hell you don't only get 3-6 quest per...."chapter"
and you need to learn how to play a mmorpg also.....because d2 is not a mmorpg at all.....d2 is lame..boring...and pretty stupid....

Uilwen
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Everquest 2
World of warcraft
Half-life 2
Guild wars
Everquest--Uilwen 45 ranger

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sorry dude but, first off you are playing the worst char in EQ (ranger), you call other games boring? What is EQ? I've not played another mmorpg in which you hear constantly players saying... "I'm bored" - heh , yet you PAID to be bored.

If you like real time combat this game is WAY not it. I'm always gonna find a way to bash eq though as a long time ranger player - I've met some nice folks but, more than anything I met a bunch o' freakin' a-holes on that game.

This game is the worst (Angry ranger player... still feeling like sony owes me for 4+yrs of eq - all a freaking waste).

Mentat

ramadin · July 2004

Originally posted by neschria

Originally posted by xplororor

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- Start on the newer servers. You will find more newer players. Xegoney comes to mind. (It's my main server.) Post a new thread asking the EQ veterans to list the most newest servers. Post also at the EQ forums on stratics.com

I hate to quibble when it doesn't matter, but Xegony is an OLD server. I have been playing on Xegony since 1999. It's one of the oldest servers. But it's where I play, so I am not bad-mouthing it by saying it is old. But it does seem to have a fair mix of levels, despite its age.

The newest servers are Morden Rasp, Stromm, and Maelin Starpyre. But I would recommend trying out several servers if you aren't happy with the first one you pick, as you will find that the community varies from server to server.

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neschria

Sorry but none of this even matters if youre doing the 30 day trial. I got to pick from a whopping ONE server, Morden Rasp.

Lying in bed, looking up at the stars, a single thought passed through my head. Where the fuc|{ is my roof.

neschria · July 2004

It does matter if you aren't doing the free trial but are actually buying and playing the game. It matters a lot which server you pick.

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neschria

.Reaper. · July 2004

In the trial version I dont think they would give you much choice but when and if you do purchase the full game, which I wouldn't I would personally wait for the next installment of the game, you have a whole list of servers to choose with and if you play with friends its a wise thing to decide on a server together that you can all play in together.

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