There isn't a community manager for SWG. They haven't had one in over a month. In fact, they've NOT had one almost as much as had one most of this year.
sounds like this is similar to why i quit about 2 years ago, asside from the way it was brought about (nge) it really burned me that all my items were junk... again...
you work/spend time making good shit for your characters then the rules change without notice and you've got nothing to show for your efforts.
adk's, skill tapes, pets, stims, spice, tissue, weapons and armor, the list goes on and on.
Personally I think the whole BM tree is crap. A cheap imitation of what was CH and BE. That being said nothing that SOE does should shock anyone. No one that plays now is going to cancel their account because of this. They just havent learned yet. The havent learned that SOE couldnt care less about idle threats of canceling. They dont even care when those threats come true. Posting on the SWG forums is nothing more than an exercise in futility.
I'm currently creating a great mutation, I believe the new upgrade makes the system deeper. Some of my guild didn't agree with the changes, but they arn't moaning and cancelling their accounts, their just being adult about it.
"Don't hold breath about another KOTOR game coming from Bioware" - Chris Preistly
"Bioware is more intrested in pursueing development of it's own Intellectual properties"
didnt most of you all quit the game? that being the case, why keep lurking on their forums? i mean why torment yourselves on purpose.
They believe their constant moaning discourages people from buying the game, or people that play the game
And it works. See SWG's current subcriber numbers, which is in the low tens of thousands not low hundreds of thousands as it was before our game was taken from us.
Want evidence?
CH7 took them what, 7 months to bring to live, and is STILL incomplete (there are collections that can't be completed)?
The last 7 months of SWG before the NGE saw this much rolled out into live:
-9 major publishes (15-24) (compared to only one in the last 7 months)
-Two full expansions (ROTW, TOOW) (compared to 0 in the last 2 years)
-The CU (Pub 15)
-Major revamps to Slicing, Commando, Squad Leader (only additions have been WoW like dumbed down illusory choices or lame re-adds of previous stuff (beast master)
-The addition of multi passenger vehicles
-New entertainer buff system (inspirations)
And they did all this WHILE having the evil "black ops" NGE in development the whole time.
The surest evidence of SWG's fall is obvious even if SOE won't provide the numbers. It's in the results. They can't possibly have even 1/10th the Dev resources that they had prior to the NGE.
Which suggests that revenue (and hence subscribers) are down a porportionate level.
The fanbois are in complete denial. The NGE today is only SLIGHTLY less fundamentally broken and unfun as it was the day it was inflicted upon us. They saved the hardcore 10% of "we'll play anything called Star Wars" fanboi crowd while losing the other 90% of us who expect a quality game in ADDITION to Star Wars.
didnt most of you all quit the game? that being the case, why keep lurking on their forums? i mean why torment yourselves on purpose.
They believe their constant moaning discourages people from buying the game, or people that play the game
And it works. See SWG's current subcriber numbers, which is in the low tens of thousands not low hundreds of thousands as it was before our game was taken from us.
Want evidence?
CH7 took them what, 7 months to bring to live, and is STILL incomplete (there are collections that can't be completed)?
The last 7 months of SWG before the NGE saw this much rolled out into live:
-9 major publishes (15-24) (compared to only one in the last 7 months)
-Two full expansions (ROTW, TOOW) (compared to 0 in the last 2 years)
-The CU (Pub 15)
-Major revamps to Slicing, Commando, Squad Leader (only additions have been WoW like dumbed down illusory choices or lame re-adds of previous stuff (beast master)
-The addition of multi passenger vehicles
-New entertainer buff system (inspirations)
And they did all this WHILE having the evil "black ops" NGE in development the whole time.
The surest evidence of SWG's fall is obvious even if SOE won't provide the numbers. It's in the results. They can't possibly have even 1/10th the Dev resources that they had prior to the NGE.
Which suggests that revenue (and hence subscribers) are down a porportionate level.
The fanbois are in complete denial. The NGE today is only SLIGHTLY less fundamentally broken and unfun as it was the day it was inflicted upon us. They saved the hardcore 10% of "we'll play anything called Star Wars" fanboi crowd while losing the other 90% of us who expect a quality game in ADDITION to Star Wars.
I'm still waiting to be provided with facts that support those wild guesses
"Don't hold breath about another KOTOR game coming from Bioware" - Chris Preistly
"Bioware is more intrested in pursueing development of it's own Intellectual properties"
didnt most of you all quit the game? that being the case, why keep lurking on their forums? i mean why torment yourselves on purpose.
They believe their constant moaning discourages people from buying the game, or people that play the game
And it works. See SWG's current subcriber numbers, which is in the low tens of thousands not low hundreds of thousands as it was before our game was taken from us.
Want evidence?
CH7 took them what, 7 months to bring to live, and is STILL incomplete (there are collections that can't be completed)?
The last 7 months of SWG before the NGE saw this much rolled out into live:
-9 major publishes (15-24) (compared to only one in the last 7 months)
-Two full expansions (ROTW, TOOW) (compared to 0 in the last 2 years)
-The CU (Pub 15)
-Major revamps to Slicing, Commando, Squad Leader (only additions have been WoW like dumbed down illusory choices or lame re-adds of previous stuff (beast master)
-The addition of multi passenger vehicles
-New entertainer buff system (inspirations)
And they did all this WHILE having the evil "black ops" NGE in development the whole time.
The surest evidence of SWG's fall is obvious even if SOE won't provide the numbers. It's in the results. They can't possibly have even 1/10th the Dev resources that they had prior to the NGE.
Which suggests that revenue (and hence subscribers) are down a porportionate level.
The fanbois are in complete denial. The NGE today is only SLIGHTLY less fundamentally broken and unfun as it was the day it was inflicted upon us. They saved the hardcore 10% of "we'll play anything called Star Wars" fanboi crowd while losing the other 90% of us who expect a quality game in ADDITION to Star Wars.
Very well said salvaje! The old pre-NGE publish notes are there for all to view if they desire....same with the now empty servers. There is so little to show after seven months, especially considering that the most of the content was not even origainal - just ideas taken EQ2.
didnt most of you all quit the game? that being the case, why keep lurking on their forums? i mean why torment yourselves on purpose.
They believe their constant moaning discourages people from buying the game, or people that play the game
And it works. See SWG's current subcriber numbers, which is in the low tens of thousands not low hundreds of thousands as it was before our game was taken from us.
Want evidence?
CH7 took them what, 7 months to bring to live, and is STILL incomplete (there are collections that can't be completed)?
The last 7 months of SWG before the NGE saw this much rolled out into live:
-9 major publishes (15-24) (compared to only one in the last 7 months)
-Two full expansions (ROTW, TOOW) (compared to 0 in the last 2 years)
-The CU (Pub 15)
-Major revamps to Slicing, Commando, Squad Leader (only additions have been WoW like dumbed down illusory choices or lame re-adds of previous stuff (beast master)
-The addition of multi passenger vehicles
-New entertainer buff system (inspirations)
And they did all this WHILE having the evil "black ops" NGE in development the whole time.
The surest evidence of SWG's fall is obvious even if SOE won't provide the numbers. It's in the results. They can't possibly have even 1/10th the Dev resources that they had prior to the NGE.
Which suggests that revenue (and hence subscribers) are down a porportionate level.
The fanbois are in complete denial. The NGE today is only SLIGHTLY less fundamentally broken and unfun as it was the day it was inflicted upon us. They saved the hardcore 10% of "we'll play anything called Star Wars" fanboi crowd while losing the other 90% of us who expect a quality game in ADDITION to Star Wars.
I'm still waiting to be provided with facts that support those wild guesses
Read the publish notes of Pub 15 thru 24. Then tell me with a straight face that the Dev team is as productive today as they were then. Pub's 15-24 cover the period of April 27, 2005 through October 19, 2005, almost the exact same time window between Ch6 and Ch7 (May 22, 2007 to Nov 1, 2007). Keep in mind the NGE was in development THE WHOLE TIME. It wasn't hacked together between October 19 and Nov 15, 2005 (though in the condition it was in it might as well have been).
In fact, they haven't produced as much SINCE October 19, 2005 to now as they did in those 6 months.
didnt most of you all quit the game? that being the case, why keep lurking on their forums? i mean why torment yourselves on purpose.
They believe their constant moaning discourages people from buying the game, or people that play the game
And it works. See SWG's current subcriber numbers, which is in the low tens of thousands not low hundreds of thousands as it was before our game was taken from us.
Want evidence?
CH7 took them what, 7 months to bring to live, and is STILL incomplete (there are collections that can't be completed)?
The last 7 months of SWG before the NGE saw this much rolled out into live:
-9 major publishes (15-24) (compared to only one in the last 7 months)
-Two full expansions (ROTW, TOOW) (compared to 0 in the last 2 years)
-The CU (Pub 15)
-Major revamps to Slicing, Commando, Squad Leader (only additions have been WoW like dumbed down illusory choices or lame re-adds of previous stuff (beast master)
-The addition of multi passenger vehicles
-New entertainer buff system (inspirations)
And they did all this WHILE having the evil "black ops" NGE in development the whole time.
The surest evidence of SWG's fall is obvious even if SOE won't provide the numbers. It's in the results. They can't possibly have even 1/10th the Dev resources that they had prior to the NGE.
Which suggests that revenue (and hence subscribers) are down a porportionate level.
The fanbois are in complete denial. The NGE today is only SLIGHTLY less fundamentally broken and unfun as it was the day it was inflicted upon us. They saved the hardcore 10% of "we'll play anything called Star Wars" fanboi crowd while losing the other 90% of us who expect a quality game in ADDITION to Star Wars.
I'm still waiting to be provided with facts that support those wild guesses
Read the publish notes of Pub 15 thru 24. Then tell me with a straight face that the Dev team is as productive today as they were then. Pub's 15-24 cover the period of April 27, 2005 through October 19, 2005, almost the exact same time window between Ch6 and Ch7 (May 22, 2007 to Nov 1, 2007). Keep in mind the NGE was in development THE WHOLE TIME. It wasn't hacked together between October 19 and Nov 15, 2005 (though in the condition it was in it might as well have been).
In fact, they haven't produced as much SINCE October 19, 2005 to now as they did in those 6 months.
These are facts, not speculation.
The NGE fanbois seem to be on here the vet forum defending the NGE more than actually playing there so called beloved NGE.
Before the NGE I never used any forums other than the trade forum. If you think the NGE is so great why defend it all the time on a vet forum? Why not go and actually play it. Leave the vets to discuss our game and laugh at $OE's mess they've created.
Facts speak for themselves, if you read and open your eyes you will see this. Subs are a joke and the state of the game is a joke, with no site of improvement.
I'm a vet and I play now. I can't defend SWG NGE. There is really nothing to defend. I see how dead my server is. I remember what it used to be like. I can't call anyone a liar that says the game isnt doing as well as it used to. Open your eyes. Even the busy servers are not what they used to be. Everyone I have ever talked to in game that was around before the NGE will admit this. This is not lie but it is the truth. It seems to be the truth that some people on these forums just can not deal with.
I see screen shots in other threads showing a bunch of people pvping on Rori. Sure that happens. Sure that one area will have a lot of people. That one area. I remember back in the day just outside the starports of coronet and theed having that many people if not more. That isnt even taking in to consideration the number of people that would be in the cantinas of both cities. I remember Dant MO having tons of people prior to the NGE. This was on my server that was never a high population server.
I guess I am in a strange situation being a vet that plays but feels no reason to defend the game with lies. SWG simply is what it is. Take it at face value. Does the game still have problems? It sure does. Will SOE change the game completely again? Probably not. since there is barely a dev team. Is the game still fun? It can be. That really depends on the person not so much as the game. Does the server I play on or any of the other servers I have tried since returning have the population they once did? No. This is simply what I have seen in my time playing. I do not have some strange agenda where I feel the need to try and defend what is obvious to any one that played prior to the NGE.
I quit playing the day before the NGE came out and started playing again about 3 months ago. Maybe the game population has been on a steady climb since the NGE. I dont know. All I know is what I see. I see a game that needs server merges...badly. Maybe SOE is holding on to the hope that it can repopulate those dead servers with new players. That seems pretty doubtful at this time. Infact I can not see a day when that would happen. SWG is getting older and more and more games keep launching. Besides the IP what would draw new people to this game? Surely not it's reputation.
I'm a vet and I play now. I can't defend SWG NGE. There is really nothing to defend. I see how dead my server is. I remember what it used to be like. I can't call anyone a liar that says the game isnt doing as well as it used to. Open your eyes. Even the busy servers are not what they used to be. Everyone I have ever talked to in game that was around before the NGE will admit this. This is not lie but it is the truth. It seems to be the truth that some people on these forums just can not deal with. I see screen shots in other threads showing a bunch of people pvping on Rori. Sure that happens. Sure that one area will have a lot of people. That one area. I remember back in the day just outside the starports of coronet and theed having that many people if not more. That isnt even taking in to consideration the number of people that would be in the cantinas of both cities. I remember Dant MO having tons of people prior to the NGE. This was on my server that was never a high population server. I guess I am in a strange situation being a vet that plays but feels no reason to defend the game with lies. SWG simply is what it is. Take it at face value. Does the game still have problems? It sure does. Will SOE change the game completely again? Probably not. since there is barely a dev team. Is the game still fun? It can be. That really depends on the person not so much as the game. Does the server I play on or any of the other servers I have tried since returning have the population they once did? No. This is simply what I have seen in my time playing. I do not have some strange agenda where I feel the need to try and defend what is obvious to any one that played prior to the NGE. I quit playing the day before the NGE came out and started playing again about 3 months ago. Maybe the game population has been on a steady climb since the NGE. I dont know. All I know is what I see. I see a game that needs server merges...badly. Maybe SOE is holding on to the hope that it can repopulate those dead servers with new players. That seems pretty doubtful at this time. Infact I can not see a day when that would happen. SWG is getting older and more and more games keep launching. Besides the IP what would draw new people to this game? Surely not it's reputation.
Greenhell, thank-you for your sane and well thought out input. I am happy for those that still find some joy in the game and continue to keep playing. It is refrshing to hear from a current player that has a grasp on reality, sees the game for what it was (a better game with a great community) and what it is now ( - 200k players) and deals with it accordingly. I have to agree, server mergers or consolidation will not be happening anytime soon. Best of luck to you.
didnt most of you all quit the game? that being the case, why keep lurking on their forums? i mean why torment yourselves on purpose.
They believe their constant moaning discourages people from buying the game, or people that play the game
And it works. See SWG's current subcriber numbers, which is in the low tens of thousands not low hundreds of thousands as it was before our game was taken from us.
Want evidence?
CH7 took them what, 7 months to bring to live, and is STILL incomplete (there are collections that can't be completed)?
The last 7 months of SWG before the NGE saw this much rolled out into live:
-9 major publishes (15-24) (compared to only one in the last 7 months)
-Two full expansions (ROTW, TOOW) (compared to 0 in the last 2 years)
-The CU (Pub 15)
-Major revamps to Slicing, Commando, Squad Leader (only additions have been WoW like dumbed down illusory choices or lame re-adds of previous stuff (beast master)
-The addition of multi passenger vehicles
-New entertainer buff system (inspirations)
And they did all this WHILE having the evil "black ops" NGE in development the whole time.
The surest evidence of SWG's fall is obvious even if SOE won't provide the numbers. It's in the results. They can't possibly have even 1/10th the Dev resources that they had prior to the NGE.
Which suggests that revenue (and hence subscribers) are down a porportionate level.
The fanbois are in complete denial. The NGE today is only SLIGHTLY less fundamentally broken and unfun as it was the day it was inflicted upon us. They saved the hardcore 10% of "we'll play anything called Star Wars" fanboi crowd while losing the other 90% of us who expect a quality game in ADDITION to Star Wars.
I'm still waiting to be provided with facts that support those wild guesses
Read the publish notes of Pub 15 thru 24. Then tell me with a straight face that the Dev team is as productive today as they were then. Pub's 15-24 cover the period of April 27, 2005 through October 19, 2005, almost the exact same time window between Ch6 and Ch7 (May 22, 2007 to Nov 1, 2007). Keep in mind the NGE was in development THE WHOLE TIME. It wasn't hacked together between October 19 and Nov 15, 2005 (though in the condition it was in it might as well have been).
In fact, they haven't produced as much SINCE October 19, 2005 to now as they did in those 6 months.
These are facts, not speculation.
100% correct
They figured the NGE would be cheaper to run live. So if they were to lose subs, then it wouldnt be such a big hit in the wallet. Instead of fixing the game, they made a horribly dumbed down version and thought it was the best way to go.
The NGE fanbois seem to be on here the vet forum defending the NGE more than actually playing there so called beloved NGE.
Because as much as they like to say that negative posts have no effect on people joining the game, they know it is false. Every few months, there is a post on the OBoard that asks what the current players can do to get more people to play the game (because of the small number of people currently playing). The answer always comes down to going to other forums and trying to counter the negativity surrounding the game. They won't admit that the overwhelming negativity, which can be found everywhere the game is discussed, prevents people from even wasting their time to download the trial.
You can't mention SWG on most forums or in most MMOs, without having people jumping at the chance to let everyone else know how bad the game is. The game has a well deserved reputation as an unfun mess. They think they can change that perception if they just yell loud enough or long enough.
To sum it all up, they're lonely in the game and are trying to get more people to play with. They don't understand that it isn't going to work as long as the game is still an unfun mess. If the game had any potential to be fun, with the current core systems, SOE wouldn't have shifted focus from trying to get new players (from the NGE to decision to implement WoW's talent system, down to WoW's talent UI) to trying to convince former players to return (everything done to the game from the time they decided to implement WoW's talent system, down to WoW's talent UI).
SOE and LEC both know the game is doing as well as it has any chance of doing, and the only limited growth potential it has, comes from folks who miss the old game. They think they can implement enough half-assed versions of removed content from the old game, or half-assed versions of content from other games (they finally expanded from just WoW to EQ2 with the collection system), to get a handful of former players to return. They are probably correct about that, but it isn't a path towards any noticeable growth for the game's subscription numbers. SOE and LEC have basically given up, some of the current playerbase hasn't.
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There isnt any Devs anymore there all interns or the understudies of the prior devs. My point the infamous how do we bring back CH with as little as possible coding lmao that says it all.The Beastmaster was a joke to begin with in the first place who the hell wants a blue rancor with pink horns how lame can u get. Does anyone remember seeing a blue rancor with pink horns in the movies? and that whole incubator thing give me a break talk about a jurrasic park ripoff lol. I sure hope the KOTOR rumors are true so we can finally drain the idiots left paying for a 4 year ongoing beta
I think it's very interesting that the chapters for Star Wars Galaxies are planed untill 2008. There is no reference to 2009, and that is when Bioware MMORPG is coming out. Also, I have seen other games die and this one sure seems to be following the same steps. Less contents coming to live, no concern about servers merges, and why? Perhaps the developers know something we don't, like the licence ends in late 2008. Just what I think, I have no facts to confirm any of this.
I think it's very interesting that the chapters for Star Wars Galaxies are planed untill 2008. There is no reference to 2009, and that is when Bioware MMORPG is coming out. Also, I have seen other games die and this one sure seems to be following the same steps. Less contents coming to live, no concern about servers merges, and why? Perhaps the developers know something we don't, like the licence ends in late 2008. Just what I think, I have no facts to confirm any of this.
There is nothing planned past January 2008 according to my sources.
didnt most of you all quit the game? that being the case, why keep lurking on their forums? i mean why torment yourselves on purpose.
They believe their constant moaning discourages people from buying the game, or people that play the game
I sometimes read the SWG forums to see if they've repaired the mess they made of a virtual environment I was highly invested in.
Sometimes I read them to see if player feedback matches SOE/LA public relations statements. Often I find that player feedback paints a very different picture than the "party line".
I also keep in touch with people who post there via another forum that we set up together. On our shared forum, we're invited to check out links to the SOE board. We (former and current players) discuss the state of the game with one another very respectfully. We remember fun times together, discuss what's working now and what isn't, and what we think might make for a good Star Wars MMO.
When I do periodically read the SOE boards, I don't find it tormenting; I find it informative. I don't think there's any moaning involved, and my intent is not to discourage players at all, but rather to hold SOE/LA accountable to their customer base, and to encourage them to "do right by them" or let someone else provide Star Wars fans a quality MMO.
So, I hope that answers the question in a helpful way.
The BM thing got a few people seeing red, the BM thing also really isn't much like CH and is a bit too complicated to deal with and can gimp your expertise template. Most BM speced players I know are medic, only the best prof to go with.
Also I used to be a very avid PvPer, now I'm so turned off from it, seeing someone with about 100 buffs on them and the glancing blow changes negates the agility suit I had. At least before the CU the only buffs you needed were doctor ones and that was it, sometimes mind buffs from entertainer, but now there's tons of buffs including the officer ones that gains a big advantage over the non ranked PvPers, I faced someone that had 100% crits on me and so many strike throughs and my block value is 400+ damage which didn't seem to be enough. Ah well I'm sticking to the damn collections thing til my month is up.
Originally posted by Obee You can't mention SWG on most forums or in most MMOs, without having people jumping at the chance to let everyone else know how bad the game is. The game has a well deserved reputation as an unfun mess. They think they can change that perception if they just yell loud enough or long enough.
This is true, I meet alot of ex-SWGers in CoH/CoV and most of them has the same conclusion about it- the NGE wrecked it and most of them also said they'd go back if pre-CU servers were put up or they rolled it back. It's well known all over the MMO industry now, I don't see how SOE lives with such a bad reputition these days and have the balls to say that everything is fine.
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There isn't a community manager for SWG. They haven't had one in over a month. In fact, they've NOT had one almost as much as had one most of this year.
sounds like this is similar to why i quit about 2 years ago, asside from the way it was brought about (nge) it really burned me that all my items were junk... again...
you work/spend time making good shit for your characters then the rules change without notice and you've got nothing to show for your efforts.
adk's, skill tapes, pets, stims, spice, tissue, weapons and armor, the list goes on and on.
Personally I think the whole BM tree is crap. A cheap imitation of what was CH and BE. That being said nothing that SOE does should shock anyone. No one that plays now is going to cancel their account because of this. They just havent learned yet. The havent learned that SOE couldnt care less about idle threats of canceling. They dont even care when those threats come true. Posting on the SWG forums is nothing more than an exercise in futility.
I'm currently creating a great mutation, I believe the new upgrade makes the system deeper. Some of my guild didn't agree with the changes, but they arn't moaning and cancelling their accounts, their just being adult about it.
"Don't hold breath about another KOTOR game coming from Bioware" - Chris Preistly
"Bioware is more intrested in pursueing development of it's own Intellectual properties"
- James Henly
didnt most of you all quit the game? that being the case, why keep lurking on their forums? i mean why torment yourselves on purpose.
They believe their constant moaning discourages people from buying the game, or people that play the game
"Don't hold breath about another KOTOR game coming from Bioware" - Chris Preistly
"Bioware is more intrested in pursueing development of it's own Intellectual properties"
- James Henly
They believe their constant moaning discourages people from buying the game, or people that play the game
And it works. See SWG's current subcriber numbers, which is in the low tens of thousands not low hundreds of thousands as it was before our game was taken from us.
Want evidence?
CH7 took them what, 7 months to bring to live, and is STILL incomplete (there are collections that can't be completed)?
The last 7 months of SWG before the NGE saw this much rolled out into live:
-9 major publishes (15-24) (compared to only one in the last 7 months)
-Two full expansions (ROTW, TOOW) (compared to 0 in the last 2 years)
-The CU (Pub 15)
-Major revamps to Slicing, Commando, Squad Leader (only additions have been WoW like dumbed down illusory choices or lame re-adds of previous stuff (beast master)
-The addition of multi passenger vehicles
-New entertainer buff system (inspirations)
And they did all this WHILE having the evil "black ops" NGE in development the whole time.
The surest evidence of SWG's fall is obvious even if SOE won't provide the numbers. It's in the results. They can't possibly have even 1/10th the Dev resources that they had prior to the NGE.
Which suggests that revenue (and hence subscribers) are down a porportionate level.
The fanbois are in complete denial. The NGE today is only SLIGHTLY less fundamentally broken and unfun as it was the day it was inflicted upon us. They saved the hardcore 10% of "we'll play anything called Star Wars" fanboi crowd while losing the other 90% of us who expect a quality game in ADDITION to Star Wars.
Haha badjedi I completely agree
"didnt most of you all quit the game? that being the case, why keep lurking on their forums? i mean why torment yourselves on purpose."
"Don't hold breath about another KOTOR game coming from Bioware" - Chris Preistly
"Bioware is more intrested in pursueing development of it's own Intellectual properties"
- James Henly
They believe their constant moaning discourages people from buying the game, or people that play the game
And it works. See SWG's current subcriber numbers, which is in the low tens of thousands not low hundreds of thousands as it was before our game was taken from us.
Want evidence?
CH7 took them what, 7 months to bring to live, and is STILL incomplete (there are collections that can't be completed)?
The last 7 months of SWG before the NGE saw this much rolled out into live:
-9 major publishes (15-24) (compared to only one in the last 7 months)
-Two full expansions (ROTW, TOOW) (compared to 0 in the last 2 years)
-The CU (Pub 15)
-Major revamps to Slicing, Commando, Squad Leader (only additions have been WoW like dumbed down illusory choices or lame re-adds of previous stuff (beast master)
-The addition of multi passenger vehicles
-New entertainer buff system (inspirations)
And they did all this WHILE having the evil "black ops" NGE in development the whole time.
The surest evidence of SWG's fall is obvious even if SOE won't provide the numbers. It's in the results. They can't possibly have even 1/10th the Dev resources that they had prior to the NGE.
Which suggests that revenue (and hence subscribers) are down a porportionate level.
The fanbois are in complete denial. The NGE today is only SLIGHTLY less fundamentally broken and unfun as it was the day it was inflicted upon us. They saved the hardcore 10% of "we'll play anything called Star Wars" fanboi crowd while losing the other 90% of us who expect a quality game in ADDITION to Star Wars.
I'm still waiting to be provided with facts that support those wild guesses
"Don't hold breath about another KOTOR game coming from Bioware" - Chris Preistly
"Bioware is more intrested in pursueing development of it's own Intellectual properties"
- James Henly
They believe their constant moaning discourages people from buying the game, or people that play the game
And it works. See SWG's current subcriber numbers, which is in the low tens of thousands not low hundreds of thousands as it was before our game was taken from us.
Want evidence?
CH7 took them what, 7 months to bring to live, and is STILL incomplete (there are collections that can't be completed)?
The last 7 months of SWG before the NGE saw this much rolled out into live:
-9 major publishes (15-24) (compared to only one in the last 7 months)
-Two full expansions (ROTW, TOOW) (compared to 0 in the last 2 years)
-The CU (Pub 15)
-Major revamps to Slicing, Commando, Squad Leader (only additions have been WoW like dumbed down illusory choices or lame re-adds of previous stuff (beast master)
-The addition of multi passenger vehicles
-New entertainer buff system (inspirations)
And they did all this WHILE having the evil "black ops" NGE in development the whole time.
The surest evidence of SWG's fall is obvious even if SOE won't provide the numbers. It's in the results. They can't possibly have even 1/10th the Dev resources that they had prior to the NGE.
Which suggests that revenue (and hence subscribers) are down a porportionate level.
The fanbois are in complete denial. The NGE today is only SLIGHTLY less fundamentally broken and unfun as it was the day it was inflicted upon us. They saved the hardcore 10% of "we'll play anything called Star Wars" fanboi crowd while losing the other 90% of us who expect a quality game in ADDITION to Star Wars.
Very well said salvaje! The old pre-NGE publish notes are there for all to view if they desire....same with the now empty servers. There is so little to show after seven months, especially considering that the most of the content was not even origainal - just ideas taken EQ2.
They believe their constant moaning discourages people from buying the game, or people that play the game
And it works. See SWG's current subcriber numbers, which is in the low tens of thousands not low hundreds of thousands as it was before our game was taken from us.
Want evidence?
CH7 took them what, 7 months to bring to live, and is STILL incomplete (there are collections that can't be completed)?
The last 7 months of SWG before the NGE saw this much rolled out into live:
-9 major publishes (15-24) (compared to only one in the last 7 months)
-Two full expansions (ROTW, TOOW) (compared to 0 in the last 2 years)
-The CU (Pub 15)
-Major revamps to Slicing, Commando, Squad Leader (only additions have been WoW like dumbed down illusory choices or lame re-adds of previous stuff (beast master)
-The addition of multi passenger vehicles
-New entertainer buff system (inspirations)
And they did all this WHILE having the evil "black ops" NGE in development the whole time.
The surest evidence of SWG's fall is obvious even if SOE won't provide the numbers. It's in the results. They can't possibly have even 1/10th the Dev resources that they had prior to the NGE.
Which suggests that revenue (and hence subscribers) are down a porportionate level.
The fanbois are in complete denial. The NGE today is only SLIGHTLY less fundamentally broken and unfun as it was the day it was inflicted upon us. They saved the hardcore 10% of "we'll play anything called Star Wars" fanboi crowd while losing the other 90% of us who expect a quality game in ADDITION to Star Wars.
I'm still waiting to be provided with facts that support those wild guesses
Facts:
http://swg.wikia.com/wiki/Complete_Update_List#Publish_15:_Combat_Upgrade
Read the publish notes of Pub 15 thru 24. Then tell me with a straight face that the Dev team is as productive today as they were then. Pub's 15-24 cover the period of April 27, 2005 through October 19, 2005, almost the exact same time window between Ch6 and Ch7 (May 22, 2007 to Nov 1, 2007). Keep in mind the NGE was in development THE WHOLE TIME. It wasn't hacked together between October 19 and Nov 15, 2005 (though in the condition it was in it might as well have been).
In fact, they haven't produced as much SINCE October 19, 2005 to now as they did in those 6 months.
These are facts, not speculation.
They believe their constant moaning discourages people from buying the game, or people that play the game
And it works. See SWG's current subcriber numbers, which is in the low tens of thousands not low hundreds of thousands as it was before our game was taken from us.
Want evidence?
CH7 took them what, 7 months to bring to live, and is STILL incomplete (there are collections that can't be completed)?
The last 7 months of SWG before the NGE saw this much rolled out into live:
-9 major publishes (15-24) (compared to only one in the last 7 months)
-Two full expansions (ROTW, TOOW) (compared to 0 in the last 2 years)
-The CU (Pub 15)
-Major revamps to Slicing, Commando, Squad Leader (only additions have been WoW like dumbed down illusory choices or lame re-adds of previous stuff (beast master)
-The addition of multi passenger vehicles
-New entertainer buff system (inspirations)
And they did all this WHILE having the evil "black ops" NGE in development the whole time.
The surest evidence of SWG's fall is obvious even if SOE won't provide the numbers. It's in the results. They can't possibly have even 1/10th the Dev resources that they had prior to the NGE.
Which suggests that revenue (and hence subscribers) are down a porportionate level.
The fanbois are in complete denial. The NGE today is only SLIGHTLY less fundamentally broken and unfun as it was the day it was inflicted upon us. They saved the hardcore 10% of "we'll play anything called Star Wars" fanboi crowd while losing the other 90% of us who expect a quality game in ADDITION to Star Wars.
I'm still waiting to be provided with facts that support those wild guesses
Facts:
http://swg.wikia.com/wiki/Complete_Update_List#Publish_15:_Combat_Upgrade
Read the publish notes of Pub 15 thru 24. Then tell me with a straight face that the Dev team is as productive today as they were then. Pub's 15-24 cover the period of April 27, 2005 through October 19, 2005, almost the exact same time window between Ch6 and Ch7 (May 22, 2007 to Nov 1, 2007). Keep in mind the NGE was in development THE WHOLE TIME. It wasn't hacked together between October 19 and Nov 15, 2005 (though in the condition it was in it might as well have been).
In fact, they haven't produced as much SINCE October 19, 2005 to now as they did in those 6 months.
These are facts, not speculation.
The NGE fanbois seem to be on here the vet forum defending the NGE more than actually playing there so called beloved NGE.
Before the NGE I never used any forums other than the trade forum. If you think the NGE is so great why defend it all the time on a vet forum? Why not go and actually play it. Leave the vets to discuss our game and laugh at $OE's mess they've created.
Facts speak for themselves, if you read and open your eyes you will see this. Subs are a joke and the state of the game is a joke, with no site of improvement.
I'm a vet and I play now. I can't defend SWG NGE. There is really nothing to defend. I see how dead my server is. I remember what it used to be like. I can't call anyone a liar that says the game isnt doing as well as it used to. Open your eyes. Even the busy servers are not what they used to be. Everyone I have ever talked to in game that was around before the NGE will admit this. This is not lie but it is the truth. It seems to be the truth that some people on these forums just can not deal with.
I see screen shots in other threads showing a bunch of people pvping on Rori. Sure that happens. Sure that one area will have a lot of people. That one area. I remember back in the day just outside the starports of coronet and theed having that many people if not more. That isnt even taking in to consideration the number of people that would be in the cantinas of both cities. I remember Dant MO having tons of people prior to the NGE. This was on my server that was never a high population server.
I guess I am in a strange situation being a vet that plays but feels no reason to defend the game with lies. SWG simply is what it is. Take it at face value. Does the game still have problems? It sure does. Will SOE change the game completely again? Probably not. since there is barely a dev team. Is the game still fun? It can be. That really depends on the person not so much as the game. Does the server I play on or any of the other servers I have tried since returning have the population they once did? No. This is simply what I have seen in my time playing. I do not have some strange agenda where I feel the need to try and defend what is obvious to any one that played prior to the NGE.
I quit playing the day before the NGE came out and started playing again about 3 months ago. Maybe the game population has been on a steady climb since the NGE. I dont know. All I know is what I see. I see a game that needs server merges...badly. Maybe SOE is holding on to the hope that it can repopulate those dead servers with new players. That seems pretty doubtful at this time. Infact I can not see a day when that would happen. SWG is getting older and more and more games keep launching. Besides the IP what would draw new people to this game? Surely not it's reputation.
Greenhell, thank-you for your sane and well thought out input. I am happy for those that still find some joy in the game and continue to keep playing. It is refrshing to hear from a current player that has a grasp on reality, sees the game for what it was (a better game with a great community) and what it is now (
They believe their constant moaning discourages people from buying the game, or people that play the game
And it works. See SWG's current subcriber numbers, which is in the low tens of thousands not low hundreds of thousands as it was before our game was taken from us.
Want evidence?
CH7 took them what, 7 months to bring to live, and is STILL incomplete (there are collections that can't be completed)?
The last 7 months of SWG before the NGE saw this much rolled out into live:
-9 major publishes (15-24) (compared to only one in the last 7 months)
-Two full expansions (ROTW, TOOW) (compared to 0 in the last 2 years)
-The CU (Pub 15)
-Major revamps to Slicing, Commando, Squad Leader (only additions have been WoW like dumbed down illusory choices or lame re-adds of previous stuff (beast master)
-The addition of multi passenger vehicles
-New entertainer buff system (inspirations)
And they did all this WHILE having the evil "black ops" NGE in development the whole time.
The surest evidence of SWG's fall is obvious even if SOE won't provide the numbers. It's in the results. They can't possibly have even 1/10th the Dev resources that they had prior to the NGE.
Which suggests that revenue (and hence subscribers) are down a porportionate level.
The fanbois are in complete denial. The NGE today is only SLIGHTLY less fundamentally broken and unfun as it was the day it was inflicted upon us. They saved the hardcore 10% of "we'll play anything called Star Wars" fanboi crowd while losing the other 90% of us who expect a quality game in ADDITION to Star Wars.
I'm still waiting to be provided with facts that support those wild guesses
Facts:
http://swg.wikia.com/wiki/Complete_Update_List#Publish_15:_Combat_Upgrade
Read the publish notes of Pub 15 thru 24. Then tell me with a straight face that the Dev team is as productive today as they were then. Pub's 15-24 cover the period of April 27, 2005 through October 19, 2005, almost the exact same time window between Ch6 and Ch7 (May 22, 2007 to Nov 1, 2007). Keep in mind the NGE was in development THE WHOLE TIME. It wasn't hacked together between October 19 and Nov 15, 2005 (though in the condition it was in it might as well have been).
In fact, they haven't produced as much SINCE October 19, 2005 to now as they did in those 6 months.
These are facts, not speculation.
100% correct
They figured the NGE would be cheaper to run live. So if they were to lose subs, then it wouldnt be such a big hit in the wallet. Instead of fixing the game, they made a horribly dumbed down version and thought it was the best way to go.
The NGE fanbois seem to be on here the vet forum defending the NGE more than actually playing there so called beloved NGE.
Because as much as they like to say that negative posts have no effect on people joining the game, they know it is false. Every few months, there is a post on the OBoard that asks what the current players can do to get more people to play the game (because of the small number of people currently playing). The answer always comes down to going to other forums and trying to counter the negativity surrounding the game. They won't admit that the overwhelming negativity, which can be found everywhere the game is discussed, prevents people from even wasting their time to download the trial.
You can't mention SWG on most forums or in most MMOs, without having people jumping at the chance to let everyone else know how bad the game is. The game has a well deserved reputation as an unfun mess. They think they can change that perception if they just yell loud enough or long enough.
To sum it all up, they're lonely in the game and are trying to get more people to play with. They don't understand that it isn't going to work as long as the game is still an unfun mess. If the game had any potential to be fun, with the current core systems, SOE wouldn't have shifted focus from trying to get new players (from the NGE to decision to implement WoW's talent system, down to WoW's talent UI) to trying to convince former players to return (everything done to the game from the time they decided to implement WoW's talent system, down to WoW's talent UI).
SOE and LEC both know the game is doing as well as it has any chance of doing, and the only limited growth potential it has, comes from folks who miss the old game. They think they can implement enough half-assed versions of removed content from the old game, or half-assed versions of content from other games (they finally expanded from just WoW to EQ2 with the collection system), to get a handful of former players to return. They are probably correct about that, but it isn't a path towards any noticeable growth for the game's subscription numbers. SOE and LEC have basically given up, some of the current playerbase hasn't.
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There isnt any Devs anymore there all interns or the understudies of the prior devs. My point the infamous how do we bring back CH with as little as possible coding lmao that says it all.The Beastmaster was a joke to begin with in the first place who the hell wants a blue rancor with pink horns how lame can u get. Does anyone remember seeing a blue rancor with pink horns in the movies? and that whole incubator thing give me a break talk about a jurrasic park ripoff lol. I sure hope the KOTOR rumors are true so we can finally drain the idiots left paying for a 4 year ongoing beta
I think it's very interesting that the chapters for Star Wars Galaxies are planed untill 2008. There is no reference to 2009, and that is when Bioware MMORPG is coming out. Also, I have seen other games die and this one sure seems to be following the same steps. Less contents coming to live, no concern about servers merges, and why? Perhaps the developers know something we don't, like the licence ends in late 2008. Just what I think, I have no facts to confirm any of this.
There is nothing planned past January 2008 according to my sources.
They believe their constant moaning discourages people from buying the game, or people that play the game
I sometimes read the SWG forums to see if they've repaired the mess they made of a virtual environment I was highly invested in.
Sometimes I read them to see if player feedback matches SOE/LA public relations statements. Often I find that player feedback paints a very different picture than the "party line".
I also keep in touch with people who post there via another forum that we set up together. On our shared forum, we're invited to check out links to the SOE board. We (former and current players) discuss the state of the game with one another very respectfully. We remember fun times together, discuss what's working now and what isn't, and what we think might make for a good Star Wars MMO.
When I do periodically read the SOE boards, I don't find it tormenting; I find it informative. I don't think there's any moaning involved, and my intent is not to discourage players at all, but rather to hold SOE/LA accountable to their customer base, and to encourage them to "do right by them" or let someone else provide Star Wars fans a quality MMO.
So, I hope that answers the question in a helpful way.
i havent started on the complex beast mastery system (old one rocked so much harder) and already they are changing it.
cant wait to get my crappy little pet that no one wants because the cool pets cant be tamed or made anymore...*sigh*
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
This reminds me of the clerks quote, "This job would be great if it weren't for the fucking customers"
Something I think SOE's SWG team took to heart.
The BM thing got a few people seeing red, the BM thing also really isn't much like CH and is a bit too complicated to deal with and can gimp your expertise template. Most BM speced players I know are medic, only the best prof to go with.
Also I used to be a very avid PvPer, now I'm so turned off from it, seeing someone with about 100 buffs on them and the glancing blow changes negates the agility suit I had. At least before the CU the only buffs you needed were doctor ones and that was it, sometimes mind buffs from entertainer, but now there's tons of buffs including the officer ones that gains a big advantage over the non ranked PvPers, I faced someone that had 100% crits on me and so many strike throughs and my block value is 400+ damage which didn't seem to be enough. Ah well I'm sticking to the damn collections thing til my month is up.