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Book of mormon officially changed.... significant???

methane47methane47 Member UncommonPosts: 3,694
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http://www.sltrib.com/faith/ci_7403990

Quote:

Single word change in Book of Mormon speaks volumes

By Peggy Fletcher Stack

The Salt Lake Tribune

Article Last Updated: 11/08/2007 09:52:47 AM MST



The LDS Church has changed a single word in its introduction to the Book of Mormon, a change observers say has serious implications for commonly held LDS beliefs about the ancestry of American Indians.

Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe founder Joseph Smith unearthed a set of gold plates from a hill in upperstate New York in 1827 and translated the ancient text into English. The account, known as The Book of Mormon, tells the story of two Israelite civilizations living in the New World. One derived from a single family who fled from Jerusalem in 600 B.C. and eventually splintered into two groups, known as the Nephites and Lamanites.

The book's current introduction, added by the late LDS apostle, Bruce R. McConkie in 1981, includes this statement: "After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, and they are the principal ancestors of the American Indians."

The new version, seen first in Doubleday's revised edition, reads, "After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, and they are among the ancestors of the American Indians."

LDS leaders instructed Doubleday to make the change, said senior editor Andrew Corbin, so it "would be in accordance with future editions the church is printing."


Although its only a one word change... the implication is significant.. you decide.

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  • Tuor7Tuor7 Member RarePosts: 982

    The only people that I can see seriously caring about this are Mormons.

  • FerusaFerusa Member Posts: 211
    Originally posted by Tuor7


    The only people that I can see seriously caring about this are Mormons.

    I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of Mormons actually didn't care at all.

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  • JennysMindJennysMind Member UncommonPosts: 869

    I really don't see a big difference really other than semantics and the subtle difference in what the words mean. No big deal.

  • AdrealAdreal Member Posts: 2,087

    Originally posted by methane47


    http://www.sltrib.com/faith/ci_7403990
    Quote:


    Single word change in Book of Mormon speaks volumes

    By Peggy Fletcher Stack

    The Salt Lake Tribune

    Article Last Updated: 11/08/2007 09:52:47 AM MST



    The LDS Church has changed a single word in its introduction to the Book of Mormon, a change observers say has serious implications for commonly held LDS beliefs about the ancestry of American Indians.

    Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe founder Joseph Smith unearthed a set of gold plates from a hill in upperstate New York in 1827 and translated the ancient text into English. The account, known as The Book of Mormon, tells the story of two Israelite civilizations living in the New World. One derived from a single family who fled from Jerusalem in 600 B.C. and eventually splintered into two groups, known as the Nephites and Lamanites.

    The book's current introduction, added by the late LDS apostle, Bruce R. McConkie in 1981, includes this statement: "After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, and they are the principal ancestors of the American Indians."

    The new version, seen first in Doubleday's revised edition, reads, "After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, and they are among the ancestors of the American Indians."

    LDS leaders instructed Doubleday to make the change, said senior editor Andrew Corbin, so it "would be in accordance with future editions the church is printing."

    Although its only a one word change... the implication is significant.. you decide.


    I'd like to see a test which compares Native American DNA to Jewish DNA. Would Native Americans be related principally to Jews or Israelites or would they even be related at all other than the fact that both are human? With inter-racial marriage in a modernized global society, a test such as this is becoming less and less of a practical means of research into this claim by Mormons. I know I'd definitely like to see the results of such a test. Maybe there already has been one? Who knows. I haven't researched it yet.

    Concerning the changes in the choice of words, unless Doubleday or the Mormon leaders have unearthed some historical piece of evidence concerning the Mormon foundational writings and how they should have read then this change in words is just a bold-faced lie in my opinion. I might relinquish this opinion if the Book of Mormon had originally been translated into English from another language, but to my knowledge it hasn't. Principal means principal and should not be relegated the obscure connotation of among.

    This is a serious error in my opinion because it nullifies the original assertion of the Mormon faith, obscuring it in some indistinguishable haze and removing any claim to authority or divine insight it might have originally held. What happens when the veneer of undisputed history starts to chip away from your faith? Abandon it? Nope! Just whitewash over it and be content that you don't have to make any serious choices in life. That's what this change is saying to me, and those who are advocating the change are no better than deluders of men.

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  • EggFteggEggFtegg Member Posts: 1,141

    Apparently there have been around 4000 changes made since Joseph Smith declared the book of Mormon to be "the most correct of any book on earth". Most were spelling and grammar changes, but certainly not all. I don't imagine another change here or there will make a great deal of difference at this point.

    Supposedly, Smith translated tablets which he found and subsequently lost, by the power of God, since he couldn't speak the language they were in. If that's true then God clearly speaks a strange ungrammatical version of attempted 17th Century English, and can't spell so well.

  • JennysMindJennysMind Member UncommonPosts: 869

    Originally posted by EggFtegg


    Apparently there have been around 4000 changes made since Joseph Smith declared the book of Mormon to be "the most correct of any book on earth". Most were spelling and grammar changes, but certainly not all. I don't imagine another change here or there will make a great deal of difference at this point.
    Supposedly, Smith translated tablets which he found and subsequently lost, by the power of God, since he couldn't speak the language they were in. If that's true then God clearly speaks a strange ungrammatical version of attempted 17th Century English, and can't spell so well.


    Well actually the plates were supposedly written in ancient egyptian. They were translated by Seer Stones known as the Urim and Thummim. They can help translate by the gift of God. Joseph Smith said it was the most correct book on earth. He didn't say it was perfect. On the title page Joseph specifically says that if there are faults they are the mistakes of men, not God.

    It also say this in the explanation of the Book of Mormon. "Some minor errors in the text have been perpetuated in past editions of the Book of Mormon. This edition contains corrections that seem appropriate to bring the material into conformity with prepublication manuscripts and early editions edited by the Prophet Joseph Smith."

    IMO the change in text isn't a big deal.

  • MR-BubblesMR-Bubbles Member Posts: 649

    Originally posted by Alekhin


     
    Originally posted by EggFtegg


    Apparently there have been around 4000 changes made since Joseph Smith declared the book of Mormon to be "the most correct of any book on earth". Most were spelling and grammar changes, but certainly not all. I don't imagine another change here or there will make a great deal of difference at this point.
    Supposedly, Smith translated tablets which he found and subsequently lost, by the power of God, since he couldn't speak the language they were in. If that's true then God clearly speaks a strange ungrammatical version of attempted 17th Century English, and can't spell so well.


    Well actually the plates were supposedly written in ancient egyptian. They were translated by Seer Stones known as the Urim and Thummim. They can help translate by the gift of God. Joseph Smith said it was the most correct book on earth. He didn't say it was perfect. On the title page Joseph specifically says that if there are faults they are the mistakes of men, not God.

     

    It also say this in the explanation of the Book of Mormon. "Some minor errors in the text have been perpetuated in past editions of the Book of Mormon. This edition contains corrections that seem appropriate to bring the material into conformity with prepublication manuscripts and early editions edited by the Prophet Joseph Smith."

    IMO the change in text isn't a big deal.


    Yes it is.

    Before that line basically meant they descended fromone race of indians.

    Now it says that race is ONE of the races they descended from. THis change was obviosly put in due to recent developments in Genetic testing. which would prove a problem for the first version. So now it wont as the line is now easy to reinterpret instead of definate in its meaning.

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  • JennysMindJennysMind Member UncommonPosts: 869

    Originally posted by MR-Bubbles


     
    Originally posted by Alekhin


     
    Originally posted by EggFtegg


    Apparently there have been around 4000 changes made since Joseph Smith declared the book of Mormon to be "the most correct of any book on earth". Most were spelling and grammar changes, but certainly not all. I don't imagine another change here or there will make a great deal of difference at this point.
    Supposedly, Smith translated tablets which he found and subsequently lost, by the power of God, since he couldn't speak the language they were in. If that's true then God clearly speaks a strange ungrammatical version of attempted 17th Century English, and can't spell so well.


    Well actually the plates were supposedly written in ancient egyptian. They were translated by Seer Stones known as the Urim and Thummim. They can help translate by the gift of God. Joseph Smith said it was the most correct book on earth. He didn't say it was perfect. On the title page Joseph specifically says that if there are faults they are the mistakes of men, not God.

     

    It also say this in the explanation of the Book of Mormon. "Some minor errors in the text have been perpetuated in past editions of the Book of Mormon. This edition contains corrections that seem appropriate to bring the material into conformity with prepublication manuscripts and early editions edited by the Prophet Joseph Smith."

    IMO the change in text isn't a big deal.


    Yes it is.

     

    Before that line basically meant they descended fromone race of indians.

    Now it says that race is ONE of the races they descended from. THis change was obviosly put in due to recent developments in Genetic testing. which would prove a problem for the first version. So now it wont as the line is now easy to reinterpret instead of definate in its meaning.

    I'm having a hard time deciphering your logic. I believe in the first sentence you meant to say the BoM said all American Indians descended from the Lamanites.

    I don't know enough about genetic testing other than it is limited but useful. But that being said the BoM follows the Nephite civilization too which was wiped out. But that doesn't mean that some of them became part of the Lamanite civilization. Using the words principal and among both suggest the Lamanites weren't the only race. Just that using the word "among" gives more weight to other races other than the Lamanites. I still don't find the change that big of deal. 

  • MR-BubblesMR-Bubbles Member Posts: 649

    Originally posted by Alekhin


     
    I'm having a hard time deciphering your logic. I believe in the first sentence you meant to say the BoM said all American Indians descended from the Lamanites.
     
    I don't know enough about genetic testing other than it is limited but useful. But that being said the BoM follows the Nephite civilization too which was wiped out. But that doesn't mean that some of them became part of the Lamanite civilization. Using the words principal and among both suggest the Lamanites weren't the only race. Just that using the word "among" gives more weight to other races other than the Lamanites. I still don't find the change that big of deal. 
    It makes that line more vague therefore meaning the scope of truth is larger. While before it had pretty much one interpretation now it has as many.

    I wont argue with you tho as i feel its great that you belive in something which is sadly lacking these days i feel so cheers

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  • JennysMindJennysMind Member UncommonPosts: 869
    Originally posted by MR-Bubbles


     
    Originally posted by Alekhin


     
    I'm having a hard time deciphering your logic. I believe in the first sentence you meant to say the BoM said all American Indians descended from the Lamanites.
     
    I don't know enough about genetic testing other than it is limited but useful. But that being said the BoM follows the Nephite civilization too which was wiped out. But that doesn't mean that some of them became part of the Lamanite civilization. Using the words principal and among both suggest the Lamanites weren't the only race. Just that using the word "among" gives more weight to other races other than the Lamanites. I still don't find the change that big of deal. 
    It makes that line more vague therefore meaning the scope of truth is larger. While before it had pretty much one interpretation now it has as many.

     

    I wont argue with you tho as i feel its great that you belive in something which is sadly lacking these days i feel so cheers

    I really haven't been a part of any religion or sect for many years. But I do try and be imformed and try to hold a non-biased opinion. I just know a lot about Mormons. Heck...if you follow this thread you could see I post on Sunday. Of course that's after playing a Crysis demo. So take that for what its worth.

  • methane47methane47 Member UncommonPosts: 3,694

     

    Originally posted by Adreal
     
    I'd like to see a test which compares Native American DNA to Jewish DNA. Would Native Americans be related principally to Jews or Israelites or would they even be related at all other than the fact that both are human? With inter-racial marriage in a modernized global society, a test such as this is becoming less and less of a practical means of research into this claim by Mormons. I know I'd definitely like to see the results of such a test. Maybe there already has been one? Who knows. I haven't researched it yet.
     
    Concerning the changes in the choice of words, unless Doubleday or the Mormon leaders have unearthed some historical piece of evidence concerning the Mormon foundational writings and how they should have read then this change in words is just a bold-faced lie in my opinion. I might relinquish this opinion if the Book of Mormon had originally been translated into English from another language, but to my knowledge it hasn't. Principal means principal and should not be relegated the obscure connotation of among.
    This is a serious error in my opinion because it nullifies the original assertion of the Mormon faith, obscuring it in some indistinguishable haze and removing any claim to authority or divine insight it might have originally held. What happens when the veneer of undisputed history starts to chip away from your faith? Abandon it? Nope! Just whitewash over it and be content that you don't have to make any serious choices in life. That's what this change is saying to me, and those who are advocating the change are no better than deluders of men.

     

     

     

     

    With this change, the LDS Church is "conceding that mainstream scientific theories about the colonization of the Americas have significant elements of truth in them," said Simon Southerton, a former Mormon and author of Losing a Lost Tribe: Native Americans, DNA and the Mormon Church.

        "DNA has revealed very clearly how closely related American Indians are to their Siberian ancestors, " Southerton said in an e-mail from his home in Canberra, Australia. "The Lamanites are invisible, not principal ancestors."

        LDS scholars, however, dispute the notion that DNA evidence eliminates the possibility of Lamanites. They call it "oversimplification" of the research.

    To me its a pretty big deal.. because before this they believed that lamanites were the main ancestors of american indians... (by use of the word principal) now they are just one OF the ancestors of the indians...

    and even that can be debated since they can barely find any lamanite dna in indians at all..

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  • MR-BubblesMR-Bubbles Member Posts: 649
    Originally posted by Alekhin

    Originally posted by MR-Bubbles


     
    Originally posted by Alekhin


     
    I'm having a hard time deciphering your logic. I believe in the first sentence you meant to say the BoM said all American Indians descended from the Lamanites.
     
    I don't know enough about genetic testing other than it is limited but useful. But that being said the BoM follows the Nephite civilization too which was wiped out. But that doesn't mean that some of them became part of the Lamanite civilization. Using the words principal and among both suggest the Lamanites weren't the only race. Just that using the word "among" gives more weight to other races other than the Lamanites. I still don't find the change that big of deal. 
    It makes that line more vague therefore meaning the scope of truth is larger. While before it had pretty much one interpretation now it has as many.

     

    I wont argue with you tho as i feel its great that you belive in something which is sadly lacking these days i feel so cheers

    I really haven't been a part of any religion or sect for many years. But I do try and be imformed and try to hold a non-biased opinion. I just know a lot about Mormons. Heck...if you follow this thread you could see I post on Sunday. Of course that's after playing a Crysis demo. So take that for what its worth.

    To be perfectly honest my knoledge of the Mormon Religion is pretty sparce. Most of my 'knoledge' comes from that southpark episode

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  • b0rderline99b0rderline99 Member Posts: 1,441

    This could be fairly big in my area, because i live 5 miles from palmyra NY, where the tablets were supposedly found

    i havent heard anything about this though, so it must not be earth shattering to the mormons

  • BrianshoBriansho Member UncommonPosts: 3,586

    Interesting stuff. I'm still waiting for an updated version of Dianetics myself!

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  • gpettgpett Member Posts: 1,105

    Yeah, it is amazing how these new religious books inspire religions that are probably billion dollar entities.

     

    Someday I hope people give as much thought to people that actually do research and can back their thoughts by facts.

    Faith to me is the warm cozy blanket that provides comforting answers to the ignorant.

  • AdrealAdreal Member Posts: 2,087
    Originally posted by methane47
    With this change, the LDS Church is "conceding that mainstream scientific theories about the colonization of the Americas have significant elements of truth in them," said Simon Southerton, a former Mormon and author of Losing a Lost Tribe: Native Americans, DNA and the Mormon Church.

        "DNA has revealed very clearly how closely related American Indians are to their Siberian ancestors, " Southerton said in an e-mail from his home in Canberra, Australia. "The Lamanites are invisible, not principal ancestors."

        LDS scholars, however, dispute the notion that DNA evidence eliminates the possibility of Lamanites. They call it "oversimplification" of the research.

    To me its a pretty big deal.. because before this they believed that lamanites were the main ancestors of american indians... (by use of the word principal) now they are just one OF the ancestors of the indians...

    and even that can be debated since they can barely find any lamanite dna in indians at all..



    I wonder what they mean by oversimplification? What further steps would they propose be taken?

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    Originally posted by methane47


    http://www.sltrib.com/faith/ci_7403990
    Quote:


    Single word change in Book of Mormon speaks volumes

    By Peggy Fletcher Stack

    The Salt Lake Tribune

    Article Last Updated: 11/08/2007 09:52:47 AM MST



    The LDS Church has changed a single word in its introduction to the Book of Mormon, a change observers say has serious implications for commonly held LDS beliefs about the ancestry of American Indians.

    Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe founder Joseph Smith unearthed a set of gold plates from a hill in upperstate New York in 1827 and translated the ancient text into English. The account, known as The Book of Mormon, tells the story of two Israelite civilizations living in the New World. One derived from a single family who fled from Jerusalem in 600 B.C. and eventually splintered into two groups, known as the Nephites and Lamanites.

    The book's current introduction, added by the late LDS apostle, Bruce R. McConkie in 1981, includes this statement: "After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, and they are the principal ancestors of the American Indians."

    The new version, seen first in Doubleday's revised edition, reads, "After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, and they are among the ancestors of the American Indians."

    LDS leaders instructed Doubleday to make the change, said senior editor Andrew Corbin, so it "would be in accordance with future editions the church is printing."

    Although its only a one word change... the implication is significant.. you decide.



    The funny thing is:

     

    1. "Nephites" were supposivly one of the main EVILS why the god of the Bible caused the flood to destroy EVERYONE execept for Noah and his clan. Check out the King James Version. Genesis 6:4

    The majority of newer Bibles have ERASED this passage putting the adjective "giants" in place of the noun "Nephilim" (ahh back to the main subject of this thread LOL! How easily Bible makers "change" and "re-change" wording in their "holy books".)

    www.biblegateway.com/passage/

    2. "Lamanites" were one of the most EVIL ENEMIES of Gods people in the Bible LOL! It's the name of Goliah's Brother! (Remember Goliah? One of the most evil badguys in the Bible?). Check out

    1 Chronicles 20:5 (King James Version aka KJV)

    For you heathens out there who don't have the mandatory Bible at home in your house..   :

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=13&chapter=20&verse=5&version=9&context=verse

     

    3. Methan47 put it aptly when he said "... you decide."

    I find it amazing that the guy who founded the Latter Day Saints just happened to automatically know the location of these gold plates, AND know how to translate the ancient language he found on them... except for one word, ... then he gives an excuse for any future "errors" claiming "all errors are the works of men, not God". Then who decides what the errors are?

  • DraenorDraenor Member UncommonPosts: 7,918

    Joseph Smith made dozens of prophecies, only a few of which came true, and several of which have proven to be completely false (he said that there would be people on the moon, similar to humans no less)  The fact that they have had to change their doctrine in the Mormon church to rectify what they now know to be completely incorrect is only adding to the pile.  The Mormon church is, for all intents and purposes, a cult.  It is insulting to me that these people have the nerve to refer to themselves as followers of Christ, when anyone who has actually read the Bible would easily see that Joseph Smith was a fraud.

     

    ps. to compare this to changes of translation and interpretation of the Bible itself is to compare apples to oranges.  The Book of mormon was written in modern English and has dozens of things in it that are just plain wrong or completely without evidence or Biblical support (believing that jesus and Satan were brothers, beleiving that Jesus came to America hundreds of years after the cross)  You're talking about translations of a book written mostly in ancient Greek and Hebrew, of course there are going to be some disagreements about exact translations.

    Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.

  • WalakeaWalakea Member Posts: 132

    It may only be one word but this only serves to remind me that all religious texts were written by humans, translated from one language to another by humans and can be altered at any time by humans. So even if your deity exists, I don't believe that one should completely trust the religious texts of their religion.

  • EggFteggEggFtegg Member Posts: 1,141
    Originally posted by Draenor

     
    ps. to compare this to changes of translation and interpretation of the Bible itself is to compare apples to oranges.  The Book of mormon was written in modern English and has dozens of things in it that are just plain wrong or completely without evidence or Biblical support (believing that jesus and Satan were brothers, beleiving that Jesus came to America hundreds of years after the cross)  You're talking about translations of a book written mostly in ancient Greek and Hebrew, of course there are going to be some disagreements about exact translations.

    Not to mention that in the case of the bible there are actually available texts in the original languages for scholars to be able to debate the translations at all.

  • MizabMizab Member Posts: 149

    Originally posted by Draenor


    Joseph Smith made dozens of prophecies, only a few of which came true, and several of which have proven to be completely false (he said that there would be people on the moon, similar to humans no less)  The fact that they have had to change their doctrine in the Mormon church to rectify what they now know to be completely incorrect is only adding to the pile.  The Mormon church is, for all intents and purposes, a cult.  It is insulting to me that these people have the nerve to refer to themselves as followers of Christ, when anyone who has actually read the Bible would easily see that Joseph Smith was a fraud.
     
    ps. to compare this to changes of translation and interpretation of the Bible itself is to compare apples to oranges.  The Book of mormon was written in modern English and has dozens of things in it that are just plain wrong or completely without evidence or Biblical support (believing that jesus and Satan were brothers, beleiving that Jesus came to America hundreds of years after the cross)  You're talking about translations of a book written mostly in ancient Greek and Hebrew, of course there are going to be some disagreements about exact translations.
    I live in utah and I used to be LDS aka mormon. I don't believe Joseph smith was a prophet and I really don't believe there is a modern day prophet but I really don't believe in much of the bible either since most of it can be disproved anymore. I don't have any problems with people that do believe though for the most part it benifts most peoples lifes.

    I really wonder on what grounds you call the LDS church a cult though? Do you consider all religions to be a cult? How is it insulting that they say they are followers of christ? Now yes everything in the book of mormon and possibly the whole book is fake but so is much of the bible. I don't see how someone can be Catholic and be a follower of christ with some of the horrbile things the church has done or how about that you could pay money for sins they even had it where you could pay in advance for a sin. You can tear down all other religions in the same way. I say they can call themselfs followers of christ because for the most part they try and live by christs teachings.

    I served in the Army for 6 years and I have seen nearly every state in the united states and lived in 6 different states and been to many countries so I have seen much of the world. Here in utah we enjoy a very nice lifestyle due to most people here follow the teachings of christ and for the most part are a great society. Utah has some of the lowest crime rates in the world we don't really have too many homeless people because we take care of them and pretty much anyone else that needs help.  

  • DauthixDauthix Member Posts: 222

    Originally posted by Walakea


    It may only be one word but this only serves to remind me that all religious texts were written by humans, translated from one language to another by humans and can be altered at any time by humans. So even if your deity exists, I don't believe that one should completely trust the religious texts of their religion.

    Valid point.  it's well known that the Roman church discarded hundreds of gospels in order to create the existing bible - which is based on the belief structure they wanted.  All religious guidebooks have been altered in some way.  The main difference with the LDS church is it's so young so the changes are obvious to the rest of technological world.

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  • MizabMizab Member Posts: 149
    Originally posted by Dauthix


     
    Originally posted by Walakea


    It may only be one word but this only serves to remind me that all religious texts were written by humans, translated from one language to another by humans and can be altered at any time by humans. So even if your deity exists, I don't believe that one should completely trust the religious texts of their religion.

     

    Valid point.  it's well known that the Roman church discarded hundreds of gospels in order to create the existing bible - which is based on the belief structure they wanted.  All religious guidebooks have been altered in some way.  The main difference with the LDS church is it's so young so the changes are obvious to the rest of technological world.

    Ya that is a great point everything has been written by man so who knows what is all true and what isn't. I think the bible is a great thing to base your daily morals off of though. I just think there are problems when people say that the bible is absolute.

  • BrianshoBriansho Member UncommonPosts: 3,586

    www.lifeafter.org/centennialpark.asp

     

    Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!

  • MizabMizab Member Posts: 149

    Hmm that is a intresting link not that webpage but some of the stats on crime in utah. It is sad to hear that utah is above the nations average for rape and property damage but we are much under the average in all other crimes. Oh and BTW there are 17 states with a higher rape rate then utah. Utah is around 37.1 per 100,000 there are states that are 50 or higher per 100,000. Also just for fun Arizona is the highest with 81.1 per 100,000.

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