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Too fast for me
Anofalye
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My reflexs are slightly under the average...and for such a game, it make it impossible for me to really play it seriously (I am competitive sooo).
But overall the game is very nice, except for a few bugs such as...been unable to fire your gun while the Logbook is open, but able to do everything else...this is kinda confusing. You are doing a tutorial, you read the logbook, everything work, even the TAB to lock target...but then, you can't fire...when english is your second language, you figure that maybe you did something wrong or read too fast...check...re-check...hehehe. I must have waste a good 5 minutes before I try closing the log book, I was re-reading the entry over and over again. Maybe they should adds a note there to say that to fire a weapon, you need the logbook to be close...or something.
Anyway, the game is neat, but my personnal ego wouldn't bear me playing it and been unefficient and uncompetitive very long hehehe. CoV was stretching it to the limit, extremely thin and far stretched. Tabula Rasa breaks the spring. SPRONG! Back to other games for me...
But I may still come around for the remaining of the month. So if you see some clueless and incredibly slow character under the name of ULI running around (Pegasus server...I took my CoV global), feel free to salute/tease me on your way!
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
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Sorry to hear that
Maybe if you give it a little more time you will find yourself getting a little more use to it?
I was REALLY awkward running around my first few days in beta. The more I played the more comfortable it became and suddenly the fast paced combat was second nature
/salute
Hope it works out for you, it's killer fun later in the game
I'm in sort of the same boat. I'm a 36-year-old woman, and the game just moves at a pace that's more than I can keep up with. I'm sure there are women my age and older out there who do quite well, but I just don't have the reflexes I used to (and the reflexes I used to have were pretty poor as well).
For awhile there around level 15 (right after I got Stealth armor on my Ranger and Graviton armor on my Commando), I was doing pretty well, but now at level 20, I die so much that's it's downright embarrassing. It's not the death penalty that bothers me, it's the constant failure. I'd be just as frustrated with dying if the game gave me money and buffs and resurrected me at full health where I died. I've tried running circles around things, I've tried crouching behind cover, all of that stuff, but I still end up logging out in frustration time and time again.
It's a great game, and I really don't fault the developers at all for designing the thing with a younger, more agile crowd in mind. The action-gamer market has barely been tapped into by MMOs since Planetside, so they deserve something too. I just wish I wasn't so incompetent at the gameplay. When you understand how to do something but lack the physical ability to actually do it, it's very hard to have fun. It makes me a bit sad, because the game world's so very different from most of what's out there now, and I have tremendous fatigue with the fantasy genre.
I am at a similar point. Bought the game. Finally beginning to understand the UI and wondering if I want to.I'll hang in there. I guess......but what our experience is beginning to suggest to me is that this game skews younger rather than older and may be a bit too twitchy for some of us.
I don't know guys/gals, I'm 35 and eventhough I'm not the PvP/PvE wiz I use to be in my 20s with the mouse and keyboard, I'm not dying a whole lot.
I think it all boils down to your set up to maximize the way you play and the classes you feel comforteable with. I made a Ranger and Commando as well and although, I don't feel too comforteable playing my Commando (doesn't fit my style ingame), I do have a blast stealthing through mobs keeping my distance or running past them when their backs are turned.
Make sure you upgrade your weapons and armors through quests (if you are using that pretty level 7 armor or weapon at 20, your gonna die a lot). Experiment with classes also, if you find yourself failing more than often with the class you are playing and all your armor/weapons are up to par (not to mention you are using consumeables),you might wanna start looking at other careers.
All good suggestions, but I don't think any of that will change the problems I'm having. My equipment is all relatively up-to-date. While I could add a bonus here and there with crafting, most of my stuff is purple already, and an extra 5-10% isn't going to be enough to change the course of my defeats. My experience with tanks and dps classes tends to be very positive, as that's all I ever play in MMOs (I've never been the support type). I've also digested pretty much everything there is to know about cover and movement. I suppose I could start using more grenades and bombs, but that just doesn't seem practical for anything other than turrets and stalkers.
My problem isn't a lack of understanding of the tactics involved. Really, I'm not sure what my problem is. It's not entirely the "twitch" aspect, since I can manage to hold down a single button and run or crouch at the same time. I know different mobs have different resistances, and I carry a full complement of level-appropriate weapons. Maybe my problem is that I solo more than I should, but I've read posts by people who managed to solo all the way up to 50 already using nothing but hand-to-hand to save on ammo costs. I just frequently find myself in situations where I'm over my head (read: all the time). Battles shift so quickly when they go bad, that I rarely have time to turn tail and run. By the time my armor's gone, it's over.
The fact that this happens to me so frequently leads me to believe it's either something about my playstyle, something about the pace, or..well...I just don't know. I've been playing online games since MUDs were all the rage, and my death toll here is very out-of-proportion from other games. At first, I thought it was just a "common death" game, where everyone died a lot more frequently due to the very nature of the thing. That turns out not to be the case, though, or at least not enough to explain what I'm experiencing. So...yeah, I don't know. I think the only thing left for me to do is change who I am as a human being, and I'm actually pretty happy with myself at the moment.
I did just order one of those Fang gamepads, so maybe that will help. Something tells me, though, that my problems with the game have nothing to do with hardware or control layouts. Perhaps some of it is perception, too. I've always, always been a very cautious, very thoughtful player. It's not at all uncommon for me to play a game for two or three weeks and not die a single time. I always took pride in that, so the very different and very frequent reality of death in this game (for me) is just something I can't adjust to.
Yeah, it maybe a combinataion of things. I found when I tried to do the "Devil's Den" on my own with my Ranger, I had to plan out everything down to the letter in order not to die (solo) but when I grouped up with some other folks, that cave,as the kids say nowadays "belongs to us"
I don't know to be honest, try grouping a bit and see how it goes since we are not fighting over loot items in the game "thank the devs"
. If you are on the "Cass" server look me up on my characters (I sent you a pm
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I'm 35 and this game is OK fast. Probably just as fast as COV/COH PVP... One thing I learn is to take cover often and crouch often. It helps
Hmm...... I'm an (ahem) older gamer and now you folks have me interested. I wonder if I'm fast enough for this game.... almost feel like going out to see if I'm up for the challenge......
If not, there's always EVE.....
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At 58 it is simply is too hard but hey...you can't please everybody...nothing wrong with having a game for the younger crowd....me, I'm enjoying LotRO, much better suited for the mature gamer....you younguns would probably think it's too slow.
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You are saying that this game its too fast? LOl! Try Battlefield 2 or Quake Wars, now THAT is fast! Im 32 and I play game since 10. This game is fast paced, but not too fast that people cant play! Its just a good game and diferent of other MMOs.
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This is the kind of game where playing alts screws you big time. First problem, most class in this game have very big differences in play styles, A commando doesnt play like a medic, or a sniper or a tech, the further you go down the tree the difference get wider between. Im not talking about skills for your class here but the gameplay tactic you have to employ to play that class properly. After all you wont use your rocket launcher the same way you use your properlant guns, you wont act the same way if your char uses stealth armor or Graviton right. If you are playing the class the same way for all your alts thats where your problems coming. Also I see this to often, you play one day a class the other day another the other day another and another, how the hell can you refine your playstyle for a particular class if your always switching around.
Im in my 30s also and been concentrating my playstyle to one class one char and the game is super easy for me, Ive been refining my playstyle with that particular class to the point I know exactly how to react in a split second with it. I dont think I be able to pull that kind of skill if I were to be playing 20 alts ( just exagarating here lol )
I can understand playing different class if you sitll unsure witch you like after all we can clone so we can fix some mistakes but honnestly fast paced games like this one is where refining your skills to one specific class if best so playing the alternate game is where you can really get screwed unless your a gaming genious with alot of talent. So for those that feel there not quick enought stop playing so many chars and stick with one and maybe you get to a point you feel more confident with that char in no time.
I think you hit it right on the mark Yusuke. It is not so much that the game is too fast but very probable that the profession you are playing doesnt actually fit your playstyle or that you just have not focused enough on one class to be successful.
While the game is faster than most mmos it is still manageable. You just have to be careful about getting overwhelmed with mobs, which happens sometimes. Thankfully it is pretty easy to recover from the death penalty with a stim and repair. One thing that I like in particular about my chosen profession, biotech, is that I can use the scare skill to scare away a few mobs if I feel overwhelmed. Then I can finish off one or run away to regen if needed.
Don't let your age be a mental barrier to your performance in the game. Keep playing and trying, you will refine your skills and you will find that you are doing quite well. If you are still worried about soloing, try to find an active clan or some friends to group with. It is doable and at 35 or 40 you are certainly not too old.
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I'm 44 and have no problems at all, the fast pace really keeps things moving. I'd have to agree with the guy who said check your gear. Level 20 stuff of of the vendor seems to beat the stated level 15 purple stuff. But I have no problems killing or targeting or whatever.
I've also found a little bit of research in to a mob's weaknesses helps a lot if you're having a difficult time against one particular type or another. It goes a long way in this game - i.e. warnets used to rape me because my main weapon is a polarity gun forcing me to use something I'm less skilled in. Then I read on the official site through the Game Intel - Enemies section that their weakness is Incendiary. All it takes is 2-3 Incendiary crab mines to lay waste to swarms of warnets now before they can even get me to 50% armor. If you play off a mob's weaknesses and/or get the proper resists to what you're facing the most often you'll make things 10x easier for yourself.
I'm a MMO veteran playing the genre for 14 years. Less than a year ago I started playing Battlefield 2142 which is a FPS type game. At first I really sucked at it, but this type of game really needs practice. Practice. PRACTICE! After a while the chaos phase goes over and you start to grasp the bigger picture. I am by no means king of the hill in FPS games, but I can fend my own. I would think this really helps when playing Tabula Rasa, because if you only react to the danger as you are experiencing the Symptoms if it, it usually is already to late. You need think pre-emptively. If you see your armor going down faster than usual, you need to be taking cover quickly! It's too late when your armor is already gone. If my armor is down to 50% before I take defensive action it might already be too late.
Before you engage anything you should preferably be in the know about how many enemies you actually are engaging, what strenght and weaknesses they have (resists), have you weapons fully loaded, already have decided wether to go AOE or single targets (shotgun vs. rifle or other special weapon), and wether to take an agressive or defensive stance (rushing or utilizing cover). As you engage you should position yourself for maximum damage. For instance, if you face 6 targets standing in a line and you start shooting the middle oneface to face you might damage 3 of them (due to cone damage). If you head over to the sides of the enemy line and turn to face them and shoot for there you will damage all 6 targets. You will prolly knock them back as well effectively making them unable to fight back for quite some time (often they're dead before they are ready again). Have the best medpack you can use hotbar'ed and use it as your armor evaporates.
This tactic is based on commando style fighting, though, so it's probably not suitable for other classes.
Last word of advice: Do not be ashamed for having to learn a new type of game. When you fall off the horse you get back up. Be patient and you WILL get the hang of it, and soon you will pretty darn good! I promise
Exactly! And the guy who talked about working with just one class is right too!
I agree with the others here, don't let a few deaths get you down. The combat in this game is very different from most MMOs and it'll take some getting used to. Once you do though, it's really a lot of fun and a nice change from the norm.
Here are a couple things to remember.
First, dying isn't a big deal. I know in other MMOs its supposed to be something that only happens rarely, or to unskilled players, but here oftentimes it just a fact of life. Don't let it get you down. That's why the death penalty is so light, they realize that sometimes you're just going to get overwhelmed or caught off-guard. Don't consider death as a failure as much as it is just a part of the game. That's much more of an FPS mindset than an MMO one.
Second, throw all the old MMO combat conventions out the window. Don't try to draw on your past MMO experience when going into combat in this game. In many MMOs the whole combat experience is: pull, find optimal button-pressing pattern, repeat until mob is dead. That paradigm just doesn't work here. Combat here isn't full-on twitch (targeting is VERY forgiving, especially if you have them locked) but you definitely can't auto-pilot like you might in some other games. It was a little daunting to me at first too, as I'm much more of an MMO vet than FPS vet, but now I really like it.
So I guess my advice would be to stick with it, and don't let your past MMO experience define your success or failure in this game. TR is definitely a different beast, but I don't think its too difficult for even the older gamers (and I fit the bill -- I'm 37!).
MMO history:
EQ1 - 65 DE Wizard
DAoC - 50 Dwarf Thane, 50 Dwarf Healer
EvE - Amarr, Caldari BShip Pilot
CoH - 40 Ice/Ice Blaster, 40 Dark/Regen Scrapper
WoW - 60 Undead Priest, 60 Tauren Warrior
LoTRO - 30 Hobbit Burglar
Currently Playing - Tabula Rasa
It's not you. It's the game where once you get to Plains things get much harder. Quest and mob distribution across the zone needs work.
Wow, I'm 33 and you guys that are in your 30s make it seem like you're 60 years and suffer from nerve damaging diseases. The game is not even twitchy. Th tab button is your friend. This locks onto the target and keeps you locked on to that target. Also use shotgun alot where it sprays everyone.
If you are playing a ranger, rage and shrapel skill is your friend. Those should be on your hotkeys and used alot...not to meantion carpet bomb. This game is hardly twitchy...if you want to see a real twitchy game then try Unreal Tournament or Quake series.
I think it has more to do with not knowing how to play the game and use the skills and hotkeys more than it being twitchy. Stop acting like your 60 years old and about 5seconds away from a coffin and learn how to play the game. Its an insult to me at 33, that you guys act like you're so old you cant handle a MMORPG.
Great. Except I know that crouching behind cover gives me a large chunk of damage reduction. I know that crouching behind cover when fighting howlers is suicide. I know that warnets hate kinetic, but they love it when you shoot lightning at them. I know that running around melee mobs (and even ranged mobs) very fast makes it harder for them to target me. I get it. I understand HOW to play the game. I've cited that I'm sure people my age and older CAN play the game. I didn't spend my points on Decay, or any other "marginal" ability. My Ranger and my Commando both have Firearms 5 and Rage 5, and they both make heavy use of both. I don't use my rifle at point blank range, and I don't fire my pistol when I'm 90m away. I know how the weapons work, and I know when to use them.
This just plain isn't a case of being a no0b who doesn't get it. As I mentioned above, I tend to be very cautious, so I read a lot about the game before even logging in. I did my research. I have the concepts and the knowledge down pat, but I just don't have ability to profit from the knowledge, apparently. I'm not sure why I'm even trying to defend myself, as I basically stated flat out that I liked the game, that I thought it was great the game was designed the way it was, that I have no desire for them to change the game to suit me, but that it's just a bit much for the skill I have.
You mentioned Quake and Unreal. Well there's a reason I won't go near any FPS with a 10' pole. I don't like them, and I'm no good at them. This game is definitely softer and more story-driven than those, which is probably why I enjoy a lot of it. The combat, though, has just lead to death after death after bloody death for me, and it's happened despite the fact that I have decent gear, despite the fact that I change weapons based on what I'm fighting, despite the fact that I take cover as fast as I can, despite the fact that I do my best to sprint like mad around enemies when there's no cover around. I'm not a brainless twit, nor am I an enfeebled elder. I just don't have the ability a lot of the playerbase seems to.
If this comes off as a bit of a rant, it's because I already typed all of this stuff in, and you apparently ignored the body of the text and focused right on the thesis statement. After which, you leapt immediately into attack mode. I LIKE the game. I don't want them to CHANGE the game. The combat wasn't designed to suit everybody, though, and apparently I just wasn't in the target demographic. You say you're insulted that I can't play the game. Well guess what, buddy, it's pretty frustrating for me, too!
Now that I have that out of my system, have a happy day, and be glad that you seem to have been blessed with a better set of genes than i was.
I read everthing you typed.. my point is that the game is no more twitchy than any other MMORPG out there. Maybe thats your problem. You think that you have to be fast like its a twitchy FPS and you freak out and end up dying. Or maybe you die alot while soloing instances? Instances are made for groups and are hard to do solo. other than that its no different than WoW or SWG or any other MMORPG out there. The only difference is the cover terrain system.
What other MMORPGs have you played? Because WoW, LOTR online, SWG, COH...all play about the same as TR. If you have a bunch of mobs around you in those games, you either have to run or be very skilled with your, movements, spells/skills, and keyboard/mouse. When something is twitchy 1 NPC could kill you because you can not move the crosshair quick enough to follow the NPC. The tab button stops that from happening because it locks onto the target. So please tell me what other MMORPGs you play/played.
I apologize in advance, since I know lists like this don't really mean a lot, but you did ask:
Asheron's Call (4 1/2 years), Anarchy Online (7 months), Everquest (6 months), Everquest 2 (6 months), Star Wars Galaxies (1 year), World of Warcraft (3 months), Lord of the Rings Online (Lifetime, though not really playing anymore), City of Heroes/Villains (currently subscribed), Dark Age of Camelot (Gaheris server, 5 months), EVE Online (7 months). I've at least tried most of the PvE titles that have been released, though I've skipped the PvP games like Shadowbane and Planetside and the free Asian MMOs.
I'm not lacking in experience, or in adapting to new experiences, but something about this game just isn't clicking for me. In one of my earlier posts in this thread I said something to the effect of having to "change myself into a new person" to be good at this, because I've tried using the skills I possess, and I'm just not getting much in the way of positive results. I made it to level 20, but it's been a pretty bumpy ride. I've pretty much made my peace with the fact that this isn't the game for me, but I've enjoyed it enough to stick around for a bit and pass on tips and information until my subscription runs out. I'm definitely not on the board to rant and whine, but I saw this thread and really responded to it.
Well what server do you play on? I would like to group with you and see your play style and see where you go wrong when you die. If you wouldnt mind that, that is. Maybe I can show/give you some tips to where you dont feel that the game is too twitchy.
I'm on Cassiopeia, though I'm out of town until tomorrow and my laptop is barely able to run this forum with that banner on the front page, let alone Tabula Rasa. My characters' names are Kabuki Kuriyama and Katsumi Kuriyama (mostly because I liked the Asian faces best). I can send you a PM when I get home. Maybe we can get Tonev, too, since he offered to help out as well. We can arrange the details in PMs here, if you like. I doubt anyone else is going to be too interested in watching me talk about how much I know then fall into a foxhole and get eaten by a grue.
(Sorry to hijack the thread.)