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I'm tired of SOE lying to us
admriker444
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People are missing the point here. Some say so what if combat revamp is on hold. The point is that its been put on hold for 6 months already and looks like another 6 months more at least. This isnt the first time we've been lied to...
1.) Force slot - we all know it wasnt in-game at release or later. 6 months go by with not one person opening their force slot. Then suddenly over a weekend dozens open it. Stealth patches all week added FS to the game. We were consistenly told it was possible previously.
2.) How to obtain FS - Devs hinted on many occasions to make it sound like a series of quests / rare spawns etc to obtaining jedi. How wrong that was ... pfftt.
3.) Luke Skywalker - As many recall, we were told by Q that Luke Skywalker was in the game but nobody had found him yet. BIG FAT LIE... I spent weeks in that sith temple and it was always empty. Then devs release a patch to fix the rebel theme park and suddenly Luke is inside sith temple. Does SOE realize how many hours my guild spent looking for Luke ? We all thought he might spawn at Ben Kenobi's hut or near deathstar wreckage, etc so we spent weeks looking for him...
4.) JTL - We were told that JTL had its own development team. Now we find out that actually 50% of swg dev team has been working on JTL this whole time. No wonder nothing gets fixed in SWG. Now we are told JTL gets 100% of SWG staff. So in essence, Im paying for SOE to make another game that I have no intention of playing.
5.) Smuggler Fix - Smugglers were promised a fix soon. Now looking at a "revised" update on publishes we see 10.2 image designers pffttt. They get a SECOND patch dedicated to them while smugglers continue to smuggle nothing... pathetic
6.) LT. Lance - Han Solo tells you to seek out LT. Lance after you complete his missions. Of course he wasnt in the game. Did SOE bother to tell us this ? Nope, instead they let gamers waste hundreds of game hours looking for a npc that didnt exist. Or maybe thats the whole point... keep us playing.
Im so sick of being lied to. I dont see how SOE can continue to deceive its customers on purpose and players not get outraged over it. I cant even post my opinions on SWG's forums cause they keep deleting them.
Thunderbolt
Mark of Hero, Eclipse
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Force Sensitive slots will be opened with the Jedi Trials in Publish 10. They have said this. You must have missed it. pfft
Luke Skywalker is in the game, though he may not be where you think he is, or where they said he was. Players have posted screenshots of their characters with him, and other film canon characters from Star Wars, like Han Solo and Chewbacca. I guess you didn't look in the right places. If your only motivation for going on a quest is to meet Luke Skywalker, you're in it for the wrong reasons. Does SOE care how many hours your guild spent looking for Luke? No. Should they? No. They maintain the servers for you to play. How you go about a quest and for what reasons is up to you. So is your decisions on time management. pfft
JTL. No you're not paying them for another game you have no intention of playing. You are paying them for SWG. The add-on pack, will be an extra for nothing more than an initial charge of $30.00 to buy the game. You are not incurring ANY ADDITIONAL COST to have JTL as playable in the SWG environment. You are not required to have it to play SWG at all. If you don't want to play JTL, then don't. Simple. pfft
Smugglers. Well they have their issues like all the professions do, which they are trying to fix. Your profession is not the special interest group of the game that they need to fix first. They have the profession fix as balanced against other professions to consider when making this revamp. pfft
You're sick of being lied to? OK, you have the freedom to cancel your account when you wish. When you find the perfect game with no issues and no gamers complaining about anything(HA HA, yeah right. A gamer not bitching about something)please post it here. I would like to try it.
-MarksmanKane
-Rifleman, Star Wars Galaxies
Okay, you must be a newb so let me explain....
The force slot hasnt always been around. The first 6 months of the game we all spent trying to figure it out. We were given hints that it was an epic series of quests. Instead later we find you just need to grind through tons of professions and get lucky.
Luke wasnt always in the game. He later popped up inside the sith temple after a patch. This is a well known lie by Kevin Q3PO. Many gamers quit over this one after spending weeks looking for a spawn that didnt exist.
I never said I was a smuggler. Only that I sympathize with a broken profession that was promised a revamp. Instead SOE changes their mind and decides that pub 10.2 will be another Image designer revamp.
Get your facts striaght newb
hey admriker......
Account .............Edit Account..........Cancel
Whalla
that way it also can save you time from posting too lol
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Stop your whining, VETERAN. And the force slot was always there, the method for unlocking it has changed. That's all.
Like I said, the CANCEL button is always available. Just end your suffering and ours listening to your bitching and move on. You're welcome for the advice.
Riker
At least we have the knowledge that when WoW does get released, we will cancel accounts without a second thought. When i played Daoc, it took me 5 months to come up with the courage to let my characters go. It was quite funny how i had got attached to them and the community there.
With the release of WoW i will feel no regrets when i hit cancel.
Pazza Master mongrel...Eclipse
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Unitl WoW, which I am keeping my eye on, does something that people do not like and then they will complain about that one as well. Just like people are complaining about the current flavor of the month, City of Heroes. To each their own.
Mark
Is it just complainers you hate or anyone that doesn't share your thoughts? You critcise the criticisers...which one is worse? At least Riker gives reasons why he doesn't like this game, but everyone who does like it hardly give any reasons why they do....unless they quote from Dev's or the back of the box.
If someone gives ten reasons why they hate this game, give them ten reasons back why you like it. I can fully appreciate the bad points anyone makes about SWG....i have seen them myself. Please be a little more constructive in your replies other than just say quit and stop whining!
I respect the fact that people like yourself like SWG....please do likewise to those that don't
Pan
Pan
When I got my nod from SOE/Lucasarts to Beta Test SWG, I was all excited. I didnt wait for my disk in the mail I downloaded the whole file and giggled while I waited. After Beta Testing it for a little over a month I found the fatal error that Lucasarts made in the first place. The went to SOE to get their game developed. That said I still have my Beta disk to SWG in package and SWG deleted.
No MMO will ever have all players happy. This is a universal truth. Without meaning to sound like an arse, If you don't like it quit. All the companies that develop and run these games are doing it for money. Your enjoyment is the least of their conscern, provided it doesn't effect their bottom line. If you complain it does nothing to help your cause. They have to listen to hear your complaints and right now they are too busy counting their money. When the money starts to dry up they will start to listen and improve the game or simplify it for lower quality players to join in and the money will flow again. I had heard it a million times about EQ "Sony has enough accounts. Leave if you want, they wont miss you. Two others will take your place when you leave."
The worst thing you can do as a player is buy the game in the first place. This site and others like it are truely a godsend. You can wait it out for a week after the release and get the reviews of those playing and those that Beta Tested and see if you like what you read. Computer Software stores should have a big sign over them reading "Caviat Emptor" Let the buyer beware. We put out our money for games that are hyped by the media and in store. We read the back of the box and look at the cool pictures on the back of the box, hoping that it will take us to the world they discribe. Why do people look forward to WoW so much? Becuase Blizzard has the reputation for putting out a good product. As for SOE, I don't allow anything with a Sony in my house. I recently purchased Lineage II without reading the reviews on this site. Wasted that 50 bucks.
We have all seen games recently that were released and did so poorly that they arent even on the market anymore. Those companies took a big hit where it counts, the purse. What I am trying to say here is "If you aren't happy GET OUT!" Don't give them any more money then they already have. Be very selective about what you buy ( avoiding SOE products is the first step in my book ). If its crap get out. Don't wait around for promises of things to come. "Sure Baby, I'll still respect you in the morning." Read the review on this site and take the ones in magazines with a grain of salt. Lets stick together in the gaming community and send the message out to all the development teams. Calling each other Newbs and such detracts from points you make. These points may have made a difference until they saw the other remarks.
We really need to send a message to these companies that we will not buy their crap products anymore. We want a game that is worth our money, not one that will return their development costs from the shelf price, just so they can have the monthly fees as profit.
These are just my thoughts and as you can see I dont spend alot of time on this site, as indicated by my rank. Flame if you will, it matters not at all.
Stop your whining, VETERAN. And the force slot was always there, the method for unlocking it has changed. That's all.
Like I said, the CANCEL button is always available. Just end your suffering and ours listening to your bitching and move on. You're welcome for the advice.
Actually , the original poster was right , Jedi was not originally implimented despite the Dev teams assurances ( went to the fan fest , collared Thunderheart , he's a nice guy who seems to like the game ) and many other parts of this game are strictly a "work in progress" .
In the end I had no worries cancelling my accounts , as the majority of my PA had already left .
I really hope you continue to enjoy the game , honestly .
I cancelled my account as of this morning. I plan on spending my last 11 days spamming people about whats going on. I did that today and got flamed left and right. Whats really upsetting about this whole mess is that so many of SWG players remain ignorant to whats going on. Or even worse is that they know, but dont care
I did a spam shout in a few towns that said / shout "SOE announced combat revamp is hold hold until JTL gets finished. We were misled into believing JTL had its own dev team and now we find out all swg devs will be working on JTL. Smuggler revamp is cancelled also. Please sign our petition on eclipse forum to show support and boycot JTL by not buying it."
I got several nasty comments, probably 30 at least. I also got maybe 15-20 "what are you talking about" comments as well. Others just made gestures or laughed. What is wrong with these people ? Dont they find it insulting to be lied to ?
What I've attempted to do to call attention to this situation.....
Called the President of Sony On-line Entertainment and left a polite but stern 10 min voicemail.
Informed every person I know on-line at swg whats going on and friends on City of Heroes. Ive spammed the SP's to educated those unaware of whats going on.
I posted 3 postings that were deleted. I then posted onto others so mine would go unnoticed. I cant do anymore here as SOE banned me without explanation. I also fully expect to get banned from the game itself before my 11 days are up. A few asshats told me they were taking screenshots of my spam and reporting me.
Ive written my Congressman about the lack of oversight or regulation in this multibillion dollar industry. We as consumers dont even have basic rights such as returning a game if its buggy.
Ive posted here and a few other mmorpg game sites to spread the word about SOE. Im not sure what else I can do.
Gaming industry really needs some sort of oversight committee. We as consumers have no protection against game developers. We cant return a game, have nobody to complain to, and are forced to sign a EULA agreement giving all rights away. If I bought a car from Ford and found out the car's brakes were defective, they'd have to fix it. If they refused, I could sue them and they could face possible criminal charges for not ordering a recall. Corporate responsiblity only happens when they are forced to comply with strict rules and regulations. Right now, the gaming industry (a multibillion dollar industry) has no oversight whatsoever. Therefore SOE and other companies can continue to screw us over knowing that there are very few Erin Brochovich tyes out there to complain or do anything about it.
Riker, you're entitled to think what you like, let other people do as they like. You obviously don't like the game, but to spam people with your remarks is quite childish, in my opinion, but I digress. As far as an oversite comittee, be careful what you wish for. You see, if they do that, you can be sure that while quality control may not necessarily improve, scrutiny of game content will. Then, one day, a game you have been eagerly anticipating is CANCELLED. Why? Well, this oversite committee decided it was not appropriate for the public to play. The content was too graphic or the depiction of a certain ethnic group was not politically correct, etc.
So, you see my point here? Of course you do. Like I said. Be careful for what you wish for. You're welcome.
Interesting points and I agree wholeheartedly. If it wasn't for friends I would not still play SWG, however, I do. While, there are many flaws in the game, compared to many others on the market currently I will still spend my money playing SWG (my biggest problems with the game are indeed the combat balance, and I hate the skill point system in general). As for an oversite committee, I tend to disagree with this, however, something does need to be done with the stringent EULA's. Also most games can be returned with the exception, especially, to MMO's. If you don't agree to the license agreement, and attest to the fact you never installed the software, the game can be returned (usually for in-store credit), however with MMO's due to the unique product key and associated free month of play this cannot be done. As for people reporting you and deleted posts/banned account, for this SOE has been legendary, and criticism is not well liked. I've never reported anyone (been playing since beta) in SWG, because of the fact there is an /addignore feature, those who do report others are usually the ones who act like the red-headed step child.
As for the rude follow-up posts by others, everyone needs to remember its game designed for entertainment, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If you're taking it so seriously that you feel the need to flame others who disagree with your opinion, then perhaps you should step back and try to look at things from a different perspective (sorry this does require some degree of maturity).
I predict a similar occurance when WoW comes out to when SWG came out
People have wayyyy too high opinions of the game its never going to live up to, people think its going to be the 'mother of all MMORPG's' (as they did with SWG) and everyone (to a certain degree) will be left disapointed
That and the fact that it Battle.net is anything to go by it will be full of people I'd rather not play with (rather than say somthing less complimentary)
Go to your WoW, youre welcome to it and the other games are better off without you
Sorry but I'm tired of having/seeing people try and have a rational conversation with people who just want to bash for the sake of it and arent prepared to even consider anothers opinion
Hey Mark yur a punk , and a newb, and a fanboy you dont know what the hell the game was like at realease so you made an ass of yur self in yur first post.
But then you keep going....what a tard.
I'm not even sure where to begin with this post. You shoud've stopped at, "I cancelled my account as of this morning."
As some could tell you, I "disliked" this game as much as the next person, maybe even more. I quit back in October, and finally took the advice and simply found another game... And now, I'm totally happy with my lvl21 Empathy Defender (Yeah, I know, I'm a simple man with simple tastes).
But dude.
Calling your Congressman? Industry oversight? What do you want? A 'Secretary of MMORPG' in the new administration reporting to the President that your Creature Handler still sucks?
If you're enjoying SWG, I say God bless ya. I wasn't, so I moved on. You should really try the same thing.
BTW, I still pop back into SWG whenever they run another free-trial. It's fun to run around some of my old haunts for old time's sake. I'm about to install the lastest 2-weeker tonight. Are there any millionaires out there that could tip me 50k in-game? That way, I'd at least be able to hop the shuttles and maybe get a bike without having to stomp on 2,000 Womp-Rats. It would be much appreciated.
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"Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb." -- Batman
Money talks, some others just make noise... I was in beta, wasn't satisfied, but took a chance and signed up for three months at release, still wasn't satisfied and quit.
So from October on they got no more cash from me. I just rejoined a week ago and am having fun.
"Whats really upsetting about this whole mess is that so many of SWG players remain ignorant to whats going on. Or even worse is that they know, but dont care "
Its a game, if your not happy don't play. The way this is getting you worked up, you might think of keeping away from this type of game.
No Motorhead, I dont want that. I simply want assurances that whats on the box is what I get. I want assurances that the game actualy works.
It may seem a bit strange to us, but one day this industry will be regulated. Hell, even sneakers have a quality assurance system in place. Otherwise the only other recourse for consumers are lawsuits. However, mmorpg's have got themselves protected by their blanket EULA agreements.
I wont be surprised though when the day comes that a group files a class-action lawsuit against a mmorpg company. Not for nerfing their CH profession, but because the game doesnt work.
WTG RIKER!! I was in the same state around november or so. I wasn't a PvPer or fighter since I felt that SWG's combat system was severly lacking so I went the way of the crafter, master architect to be exact. I ended up quiting because time after time they stated that "this bug will be fixed..." with the next patch and so on. THEY NEVER DELIVERED. Hell when I left, harvesters STILL were spontaneously losing all maintenace and energy and nearly collapsing in 24 hours after putting 2 weeks worth of maintenance and energy into them. I petitioned like a bastard for reimbursement. That's it...nothing fancy and THEY REFUSED. Bugs that have been in the game since BETA (yes I did beta test it) were still around when I left and from alot of ppl that I know that still play the game, they are STILL around.
I would be the first person to sign on to a class action lawsuit against SOE. They've sullied the name of Star Wars. I know alot of fanboys will disagree but that's you're right. For you, this game rocks and will most likely always satisfy you. Good. But the gaming communtiy as a whole (judging by my months of forum surfing and conversations with too many gamers to recount) was disappointed with SWG and have moved on to bigger and better things.
During beta testing, we did our job and pointed out flaws in the game's code and graphics. We posted to the official forum using constructive recommendations and nearly every single friggin post was deleted with no explanation. We came to find out that to post on the forums you had to agree to not post anything "negative in nature". WTF is the point of having people beta test then? Were we all supposed to just say, "Good job" and "Everything works like a dream!" Hell no, we're beta testers. We do what we were invited to do.....TEST.
When the deadline for game's release drew closer, the threads became exponentially more abundant and eventually, everything containing negative yet constructive critisicm was deleted and the forums wiped before launch without the DEV team addressing any of the problems.
I figured things would get better but I then payed $15 a month to help SOE beta test it more. In novermber, I got fed up and told them to stuff it. Account cancelled.
Beta tester supreme
Beta tester supreme
i feel like quiting SWG just by reading this thread >_<
damn sony...
I agree with everything that riker has said in here about SOE and SWG. Personally I played the game since launch until about may this year. By the time I quit I had already been extremely bored and fed up with the game's problems for quite a while, but had a real good guild to keep me around (i still miss ya SPY)
. It seemed like Devs just spoon feed you crap content with each patch to keep you playing, and not even fixing the game's real problems. Now with that delay of the Combat revamp i've heard about, SWG is in big trouble from all the vet players I think. From what I read on the forums 500 accounts at least were cancelled the day TH announced the push back on the combat revamp.
Some of these companies really need to wake up and realize its our game! If you want to make us customers happy give us what we want! I know I would be so willing to pay the fees and play the game for years if the company wouldn't let me down....
Saken Arnasio, formerly of the Gorath server. Retired pre-cu TKM/MD
Played: SWG, CoH, DAOC, WoW, MxO, EQ2
Currently playing: Nothing till I see a pre-cu comeback
Wow. My IQ dropped just reading that. Also, learn how to spell, before calling someone else a tard. . .tard. You're welcome.
IGN has made an interview with swg devs concerning the push back of the combat revamp it can be found on www.ign.com
Playing: Star Wars Galaxies, Tibia
Beta/retired: lineage 2, darkages Saga of Ryzom, conquer, runescape, raganarok, knight online
hope to play: face of mankind, everquest 2
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I think most of the community is tired of SOEs little/big white lies...
SWG is a great game, it's very fun, has a great community, lets you live in the Star Wars Universe, and gives us something to do in out free time... most of us who have been playing since launch love this game. no we aren't going to "account....edit....cancle" because we want to see the money we have put into this go somewhere...
i don't know about you all but i have playing for over a year, there has been really nothin major fixed... player cities where added, mounts came, vehicles came, all the major features where added, so after that they added holocrons to gear us away from the core system flaws, some went into grinding for jedi... some didn't, thos who didn't thought "well since nothin majot is going on... how about the GCW, combat, our proffesions?". thios triggered the invention of the all mighty Combat Balance savingthrow! hooray! combat FIXED!? HAMs changed!? our proffesions fixed!? no way the all awaited patch was coming! it was coming.... err... any day now... OH CH GOT NERFED! its a sign it will all be fixed.... err... HAM changes on TC!? *month goes by* well what the hell??
ooo JtL finally getting some spot light! space should be fun.... more info comes we all smile thinking "this will be sweet". we see video, we see pics, we all get excited and during the heat of the JtL showcase the greatly expected CB is.... pushed back... wait... there was a CB already being made? how can it be pushed back we havent heard a thing about it in... months besides in every post in the proffesion forums... what for a few months im sure 2/3rds of the dev responces to proffesions questions was "combat balance" "ummm combat balance" "question, when can you fix pistoleer specials?? only 3 seem to work how we would like them" "dur der dep dupity der... oh i mean combat balance"
so the all mighty community saving throw just got upgraded with a +2 modifier... what means who says that it wont be pushed back again??
jedi, space, anything else i dont care... i want the GCW and Combat to be fun... i want to PvP and see Hunting GROUPS, not solo hunting groups....
this is a long rant sorry... im banned from the forums for no reason... seriously... and this is a place i can post my views
www.scarybadguys.com
theres always hunting groups in ah on Ahazi
Playing: Star Wars Galaxies, Tibia
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